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I dunno, scelerata, what did you think was funny about it? Because when people whine to me about not getting laid, I usually just want them to shut up.
Oh, thank GOODNESS this was posted! I had a friend post this to his fb yesterday. I don’t know why I watched it. I saw and thought “I probably won’t like this…but I do like satire…maybe it’ll be ok…” And then it was this garbage. I regret not saying commenting on facebook when my friend posted, but I’m always hesitant to get in fb debates. Still, something like “Ew. Dude. Why do you like this?” would have gone a long way to ease my mind.
Also, in addition to all the rapey, hypocritical, transphobic, fat-shaming, entitled bullshit the other commenters have so marvelously pointed out, I was also struck by the insidious: “Look at those (hot) women, being all attractive AT ME!!! But they still won’t sleep with me!” Like women’s physical qualities are dodgeballs that we are vindictively hurling at Poor Average Guy. (though I do like this mental image).
@Cassandra
I think I’ve seen that. I guess there really is someone (or something) out there for everyone.
@melody – but her NO would be well worth watching.
@Cassandra – “Darwin Awards of Porn” ROFLMAO!
@melody
The riddle of where/when/with whom does a female killer whale have sex is like the one about where a 400 pound gorilla sleeps.
@cloudiah, why were you reading that private MRA correspondence in that publicly accessible section at the top of the page on one of the world’s most frequented websites?
For shame! Is nothing sacred?
ps privacy means they’re not misogynists
That is a wonderful metaphor indeed. :)
I’m only willing to hurl my boobs at people if it can be guaranteed that they’ll come right back to me, like a boomerang.
Booberang.
And that’s real.
There NEEDS to be a super heroine who has that power.
Homing boobs – when you fling them at people it’s OK because they know where to come back to.
Yes. Yes to all of it. If I had any artistic talent, I would draw the heroine and her lethal weapons.
I can just see a Kate Beaton drawing of Booberang the Superheroine.
Hey.
Random and not relevant to the conversation at hand, but I kinda need some advice and you all seem very sensible.
My ex has recently started messaging me and we hung out awhile and made out. Now he wants me to send pictures and whatnot. I’m not even sure if I should get back together with him. My best girl friend says he raises red flags with her: manipulative in her opinion (he once met her after we broke up and went on and on about how he was in love with me).
And I’m super conflicted about whether to try and get back together with him or not. I feel like I know I’m being stupid to even consider it, but for some reason it is still hard to make a decisive decision regarding this.
Hi Melody! Yes, you are absolutely right.
If he means naked pictures, then nope. I wouldn’t trust him given that a. he’s an ex and b. friends are already seeing red flags.
@melody
If you don’t feel sure about it, don’t do it. You’re well within your rights to tell your ex that you need some time to think it over, and you’d appreciate it if he gave you that space. If he gives you the space, think it over. You can always say yes or no later.
If he doesn’t, then break it off, because you don’t need someone who doesn’t respect you enough and care about you enough to give you space when you ask for it.
Do NOT send pics. I can’t stress that enough. Even if you decide to get back together with him, be wary of sending him pics, especially of the NSFW variety. I’ve been reading all over the net lately about people regretting giving SO’s pics of themselves lately.
My rule for anything I feel conflicted about is to wait at least 24 hours before making a decision. During that time I run ‘what if’ scenarios in my head. I usually talk it over with my mother, but I’m lucky enough that my mom is a really fantastic person I can talk to about nearly anything. So try to find someone you trust that you can talk it over with.
I’m betting after 24 hours you’ll know what you really want to do.
Good luck!
@katz: I’m not sure why I found it funny, I just did. I think barelypolitical’s parody of California Girls is funny too, and it’s essentially along the same lines–I guess I just take a no-holds-barred approach to comedy?
That being said, I don’t know the background of the guy who made this video, so I don’t know how serious he is about this. One video is funny; a whole channel about how he can’t get laid probably isn’t.
By the way, if I accidentally ignored anyone, I didn’t mean to. I sort of have a heady right now so I just sort of skimmed the thread…
*headache
I can’t even type anymore. I’m going to have a nap. Sorry to wander in as I did, I’m usually awkward like that.
RE: melody
In exchange I ask two questions:
1. Why do you want to get back together?
and 2. Why did you break up in the first place?
Presumably, you broke up for a reason. What sort of things would change that reason? Have those things happened, thus repairing things?
You don’t have to tell me. Just something to think about. (Though red flags with friends are NEVER a good sign.)
Also, watching this vid just made me think: OH GOD EUROSABRA MADE A SONG.
Thank you all for your advice. I’ve delayed him so far.
Pictures are risky. I guess I agree that picture shouldn’t be on the table regardless.
I’m not actually sure. Maybe I’m lonely? IDK. I’ve been single for the last year and while I’ve gone on a few dates nothing has come of it.
We broke up because we were in different places. Or at least that is why I say we broke up. I kinda freaked while dating and just broke up to him all of a sudden.
I’m not very good at dissecting my feelings.
If he’s asking for nude pics at this stage that in itself is a red flag. “Hi, haven’t seen you in a while, can you send me a photo of your boobs”? It’s a bit sketchy.
He can’t sing, what’s with the ethnic stereotyping, when did Urkel get steroids and what did us NYC girls do to make him threaten to want to come back here?
Also, I don’t know why Chris Rock came up in the comments, because it’s Chris Brown he mentions in the video. So jerk friend at the beginning is saying “Womenwould rather have sex with an abusive arsehole than a nice guy like me”… yes, a nice guy who lies to get women into bed
One of our trolls went off about Chris Rock. I guess he thinks Chris Rock and Chris Brown are the same person? That would make sense, given that these dudes are almost always really fucking racist.
RE: melody
I’m not actually sure. Maybe I’m lonely? IDK. I’ve been single for the last year and while I’ve gone on a few dates nothing has come of it.
Yeah, see, when I think of reasons to get into a relationship (because they’re work), that’s not really something I’d consider a great one. DEFINITELY not good enough to outweigh your friend’s red flags, in my opinion.
Melody – real outsider’s opinion here, because no experience at all, but the bit about him wanting you to send pics makes me ask WHY. Doesn’t he have photos of you (I’m not talking nude shots) from when you were together? What sort of pics is he asking for? And from there I’m asking wtf he intends to do with them. Yeah, suspicious mind because of all the shit one sees about revenge pics and so on, but if your friend who knows him has already said he raises red flags, I’d be steering clear.
Also … you weren’t in the right place to be together before, so left. Loneliness itself sucks, yeah, but it’s not a reason to get together with someone you’ve already left because you were incompatible or it didn’t fit or feel right.
Seriously, I would say keep clear of him.
melody: I agree with what everyone else is saying. Once you give him the photo(s), you lose all control over how they are handled from that point. He may be okay, but what about his other friends?
I suppose you are right. He is asking for something he never got when we are dating. He doesn’t need that. He has pictures, but not many cause I’m anti photos.
Thanks. I think you are right. I shouldn’t ignore my friends opinion. I have to remember that we broke up in the first place for a reason and it isn’t like that reason isn’t valid now. Even if I struggle to remember why I broke up with him.
I just have to stay strong and stay away. It is probably better for the both of us. And my friend will be happier that way.
Thanks. I know I got us off topic, but I’m glad for a healthy dose of reality check. It is easy to get caught up in the moment and caught up in your head.
“No-holds-barred approach to comedy?” WTF does that mean?
You’d classify this video as satire, right? Satire is usually funny because it exaggerates the truth. It isn’t really funny if the underlying point isn’t true because then you’re just saying random stuff. So do you think it’s true that all women in LA are shallow and will only sleep with famous people?
Melody – if he’s asking for something he didn’t get while you were dating, I’d be very, very suspicious of his motives. Getting back together with someone who wasn’t right for you, and whose behaviour is sending up red flags, is at best swapping one kind of loneliness for another, and could be much worse.
melody: what does your stomach tell you about this guy? Sometimes the head is just too much rationalisation. :)
Gah, sorry to double post. Just had another idea after I hit Post Comment.
melody: get a coin. Label one side “give photos” and the other side “don’t give photos”. Toss the coin. Look at the result. What is the first emotion/thought that comes to your head when you see how the coin landed?
Never mind ‘em being double posts, Kiwi girl, they’re both excellent! I haven’t heard of that coin-flip-reaction test before.
Sometimes you learn something useful when you go out with a Marxist. :)
Let’s test this theory, shall we?
Dragon Slayer, I want to have sex with you.
@melody
Seconding everyone else, but remember
I assume the ex knows this. No matter what type of photos he wants (although sexier shots are certainly more risky), he wants them DESPITE YOUR OBJECTIONS to photos in general. That is not good.
The best misogynist film ever made is “Calmos”.
It tells the story of two men who can’t stand women and their sexual desires anymore and decide to flee the society and pursue happiness doing things which truly make men happy : eating good food, drinking Beaujolais, neglecting hygiene and enjoying calm.
Other men start joining them and after a lot of men have been convinced to the need to quit sex and focus on good food, wine and calm, the sexually frustrated women gather an army to capture runaway men. They succeed in capturing our two heroes and transform them into sex slaves. At the end of the movie, they are trying to escape a vagina while a penis tries to enter in it, the vagina and the penis of two beautiful lovers making love on the beach. Cute, isn’t it?
The best scene of the movie :
“Le piège classique, les première chaleurs du printemps, on commence à s’émouvoir sous l’édredon, une blouse un peu étroite qui ne demande qu’à s’ouvrir, les mains s’égarent, c’est chaud, c’est doux, ça sent le café, le savon de Marseille… Et à 40 ans on est une épave! C’est ça que tu veux?! J’ai jamais pu terminer Proust… J’ai jamais pu dépasser “un amour de Swann parce que figure toi qu’à chaque fois que j’essayais d’ouvrir le tome 4 on aurait dit que ça déclenchait un disque : “Paul, mon petit Paul, on éteint la lumière?” Tout les soirs pendant vingt ans et on appelle ça le “devoir conjugal”
“Depuis ma première communion j’ai l’impression que ma braguette est ouverte, je passe mon temps à me vérifier”
Where’s the part where they spend years on feminist websites telling women how they super-suck and threatening them?
This is just SO SO SO bizarre. Okay, so say I’m middle-aged, conventionally very unattractive, a bit on the smelly side and no social skills whatsoever. But I could still just go out to any bar and go home with ANY guy I want to, being a woman and all. Because clearly, it’s not like guys will prefer a young, hot, nice-smelling and charming woman over me, no way!
Like… does anyone seriously believe this is how the world works? It’s just MINDBLOWING.
In their world, it is possible for a women to be universally attractive to all men, no man can control himself when such a woman is anywhere near them, and non-universally attractive women don’t actually exist. So, your example doesn’t work, because in that situation you’re not actually a woman.
“Where’s the part where they spend years on feminist websites telling women how they super-suck and threatening them?”
Internet did not exist in that time. No feminist websites to troll and more importantly, no porn websites.
The question was : “will I bang this girl tonight or will I eat a little coq au vin and taste the new beaujolais with my bros?”.
Men were facing real existential dilemmas in that time.
Brz must be short for “bores”, judging by his comments.
“bores”?
If it’s a term to describe a vagina, It’s very indelicate and unaesthetic.
French language is short on non-vulgar words to name a vagina. We have “foufoune” and “minou” which are nice, but sound childish.
In Dutch, “Kutje” sounds pretty.
The language which have the prettiest words to describe vagina, and to say sexual things in a non-vulgar way in general, is old Arabic. I’ve forgotten many of them, they said for example “bab al-rahma” which literary mean “the door of graciousness”.
A medieval Arabic woman could have said for example “awlij ayraka fi baba rahmati ya habibi” meaning “put your dick in the door of my graciousness sweetheart”.
I tried to impose the use of medieval Arabic in bed but I haven’t succeeded, that’s regretful.
I wanna see Brz and Dragon Slayer get in a fight over descriptions of vaginas.
@Some Gal that would be hilarious
It usually means “I don’t care who’s offended, because I am so edgy.” In short, an asshole.
No normally it means I don’t care who is offended unless they are a straight, white, cis-sexual, middling to upper middle class, well educated, mentally healthy, atheist or Christian (depending on comedian) male.
Oh forgot to add who isn’t into any alternative cultures such as goth or hipster.
Brz, I’m not really sure what the point of your video was on this thread. I mean, cool, I guess? Several of my female friends are coupled, but several (like me) on an average night would prefer eating good food, drinking good wine, escaping the pressure to do hair/make-up, and enjoying the calm of not banging dudes. Those can also be things that truly make women happy. It’s not only men who find joy/fulfillment in avoiding romance. Although I must say, when I’m eschewing male company, I don’t then go looking for men so I can say “Ha! I don’t want anything to with you! Don’t you feel bad now? I’m gonna go be by mySELF and YOU aren’t invited!” (which, as I understand, is different from MGTOW philosophy).
Bores is suddenly a term for vaginas? Here I just thought Brz was boring…
As for aesthetic terms for vaginas and the surrounding bits, I think pink clam might be my favorite…but I’m an aquarist, clams are stunningly beautiful.
Oh noes Draggy! There are men who like really big women? Its the end of the world everyone!
Any bets that this guys idea of an orca is any woman not 15 pounds underweight?
The only think I can figure is that trollboy doesn’t actually include women who aren’t supermodels in his definition of “women” because I know dozens of women whose lived experience flatly contradicts his crap, myself included.
@Melody – trust your gut. You were uneasy about this relationship and you ended it. It’s not necessary for you to have logical, well-thought-out reasons. It’s not a court case. You don’t have to convince a judge. If you have a bad feeling about it, don’t do it. That’s the only reason you need. If he gives you grief about that, you definitely made the right call.
Yeah, Melody imma second everyone elses advice.
Also, I’m not a fan of having my pic taken for any reason. The fact that dude wants pics that you weren’t willing to give when together is…strange. To say the least.
Also, if you’re lonely but you aren’t leaping to get back together with this guy tells you something. You don’t necessarily need to know what that something is and you don’t have to justify your lack of interest. Perhaps the best solution here is to continue dating and maybe figure out what you can try to make yourself stand out a little better to the type of men you DO want to date.
In the meantime, find something mind absorbing to focus on so you don’t notice that bitt of missing something quite so much.
Brz…I really don’t give a shit about the lack of appropriate words in other languages for womens genitalia. In english we have two perfectly acceptable words: vagina or vulva. Take your pick.
Also, that Arabic uses pretty sounding euphimisms for womens body parts makes me give it the side eye a bit. Are they so circumspect with all body parts, both male and female? Also, I don’t give a shit about pretty language if its only there to cover up the lack of choice or opportunity women may have had in choosing partners, when and if they wanted sex, or the type of sex acts they wished to freely engage in.
All of that being said, I’m not aware of how Arabic cultures dealt with gender issues in this time period, so I will refrain from automatically assuming the worst.
Cracked had a great bit unpacking why Rick Springfield’s Jessie’s Girl is such a bad song, and I think it fits perfectly here…
http://www.cracked.com/video_18529_4-important-questions-about-dumbest-song-80s.html
As one of the Women of LA (Westwood chapter), I wouldn’t sleep with him because the sweaty desperation to get laid surrounds him like a fetid mix of garlic breath and body odor and it’s kryptonite to any woman with a couple of brain cells. And that’s real.
“In english we have two perfectly acceptable words: vagina or vulva. Take your pick.”
“What a wonderful vulva you have? Can I see your vagina?”
Yeah, sounds very clinical. I prefer “pink clam” “Can I taste your pink clam?” Sounds better.
“Bab Al-Rahma” is not an euphemism, it is a beautiful periphrasis. “Homeless”, “sex worker” for example are euphemisms, all euphemism are clinical and ugly.
in what world does “Can I taste your pink clam?” sound better????
I can’t picture someone saying that seriously, let alone *seductively*.
Oh yeah, “door of graciousness” is so pretty if you ignore the implication that the woman’s being ungracious if she doesn’t allow the man in – and ignore what happens to women in too many socieities in that region if they make their own choices about what man they want. Or, for that matter, if they’re forced.
Why so scared of “vagina” and “vulva”, eh? Oh, btw, biology lesson, you can’t actually see a vagina. It’s an internal organ, only the entrance is visible. Men who need to use euphemisms or insults about women’s genitals sound either immature or misogynistic or both, to me.
Actually, I would find it intensely erotic if a guy I was with actually knew the difference between vulva and vagina, and could use them in a sentence correctly.
It seems like Brz not only doesn’t know how to do that (unless he has a speculum), he also doesn’t know what a euphemism is. Tip: Something can be both a periphrasis and a euphemism. And in no world ever are “homeless” or “sex worker” euphemisms. They’re both very explicit terms that in no way hide the negative aspects that the terms convey. Sex worker connotes that we’re talking about a person who is doing work and thus has rights, so in that way is preferable to “prostitute,” but it’s not a euphemism. Try “lady of the night,” “on the streets” (which are both euphemisms and periphrases), “displaced,” or “mobile.”
Wait, maybe Brz means bears! What are men supposed to do with bears?
If someone said “Can I taste your pink clam” to me, I would not be able to stop laughing. Ever.
@cloudiah,
me either! I am trying to think of a scenario where someone would ask to taste my pink clam and I wouldn’t laugh for days.
the only one I can think of is if I decided to cook actual clams someday, and one of them was pink. but even then the wording would be hilarious and weird.
Mr. Snide reads this site, so I’m pretty sure he’s going to break out “pink clam” next sexytimes, and then laugh his head off.
I’d be a) telling him no, because it’s not a term I’d like used about myself, and b) he’d be out the door for having said it. It says “Man not comfortable with women’s bodies and their proper names” and that says “someone I don’t want around!”
Dude, “pink clam” is neither poetic nor erotic. It is however quite middle school.
I’m trying to think of any foodstuff that is an appropriate euphemism for the vulva…
Nope, none.
I don’t even like the term “eating out” for cunnilingus.
I don’t necessarily *mind* some euphemisms, if they’re not derogatory they can be quite funny. But never, ever, ever sexy.
Dudes… You just can stop making everything vulgar and problematic all the time…
“Men who need to use euphemisms or insults about women’s genitals sound either immature or misogynistic or both, to me.”
An Arabic maxim says “the greatest poetry is the one which lies the most”, they weren’t using sophisticate names to women’s (and men’s) genitals because they were prude (they weren’t), they were doing this because they thought that the beauty of a verse is more on the way to say things that in the things described themselves.
Eroticism lies more in the way to do and say things that in the act himself.