Reddit Shitlords Give Other Reddit Shitlords Prestigious Shitlord Award
Art borrowed from Casey Nelson of SeeBeautifulIndiana.com. (Click pic to go there.)
Today is an auspicious day. For the Men’s Rights Subreddit, which we often write about here on Man Boobz, has won the prestigious World’s Greatest Shitlord Award. Oh, sorry, I mean it won the Subreddit of the Day award on Reddit. Which is, in this case, pretty much the same thing.
Here are some highlights from the official announcement , which I am totally not making up. No, really, you can go look. Someone – that being XavierMendel, one of the mods of r/subredditoftheday — actually wrote these things. And meant them. I AM NOT BEING SARCASTIC THIS IS REAL HOLY SHIT.
The topic at hand today takes a generous turn from our amusing and lighthearted articles of the month. On this, the last day of January, we look at something a bit more worthy to be called an article. /r/MensRights comes up a lot across reddit and, indeed, across the world as being one of the few centers for men’s help. It’s often attacked, and is always the center of one controversy or the other. My questions reflect that. MensRights is, undoubtedly, the home of great activists.
Again. I am not making this up.
There were some people close to me that suggested I not run this article. That the repercussions of doing so would be unreasonably bad. Well, here you go, people. This is my way of saying that a good reporter doesn’t care. A good reporter reports. It’s not in my job to care about consequences.
I’m not sure that Mr. Mendel quite understands the difference between “reporting” and “asskissing.”
/r/MensRights. Never in our society could the uninitiated imagine such a place. A place where feminism is questioned, and our culture is deconstructed to find what it’s really up to.
Hahaha, what? I was not aware that feminism wasn’t ever questioned on the internet, or anywhere else in “our society.” I mean, it’s not like I run a blog that features nearly 500 posts detailing people attacking feminism on the internet, most of them nastily and ignorantly and sometimes using the word “cunt,” and the vast majority of them not on Reddit. And it’s not like this only barely scratches the surface of the subject.
/r/MensRights is one of the last fortifications of free thought to exist on Reddit.
Yeah, that’s why I was banned – not for trolling or harassing or calling anyone names, but for politely if persistently disagreeing with the denizens until then-moderator ignatiusloyola threw a fit.
“Surely you jest,” one might tell me, “when you mean they’re alone in this regard?” No, hypothetical 19th century British gentleman, I do not. I truly mean it when I say that. What other subreddit openly questions feminism? None spring to mind, and I make it my duty to catalog various subreddits. Most end up banned or run down within a month. Only /r/MensRights remains.
Reddit: Bastion of Internet Feminism.
Nobody can say for sure whether or not they’re correct in any single regard. It’s certain that, due to the laws of probability, they’re not correct in every regard. However, it’s also certain that they’re correct in most of them. Occasionally a wackjob or two will suggest that feminism is behind Cinnamon Toast Crunch (The taste you can see!™). The accuser latches onto those wackjobs to denounce the whole movement.
Yeah, it’s not as if comments suggesting that a man allegedly wronged in divorce court should turn to murder got literally dozens of upvotes in r/mensrights, or anything.
Oh wait, they did.
Yeah, it’s not as if Men’s Rights Redditors gave literally hundreds of upvotes to a post about a t-shirt suggesting that men could be convicted of rape simply for being in a room alone with a woman.
Oh wait, they did.
It’s not as if Men’s Rights Redditors regularly give dozens if not hundreds of upvotes to posts from unhinged hate sites like A Voice for Men or Angry Harry,or fall all over themselves praising an internet-famous female MRA who thinks that many abused women “demand” their abuse.
It’s not as if they think “spermjacking” is a real thing in the world that should make all men think twice about ejaculating in the general vicinity of women.
It’s not like … oh, you can find many, many more examples for yourself.
After claiming that “people have died” after being called misogynists, while “nobody ever dies after being called a misandrist,” Mr. Mendel winds up his speech with this stirring conclusion:
I support the struggles of people who are in bad positions. I respect it, in a way, for I have also seen great struggle. My struggle is not over, nor will it end until my death. For I struggle with something that will not go away through legislation or social change. The Men’s Rights Movement, however, struggles with something very changeable. Very malleable, able to be fixed within a generation if so desired. So I will support them, for they have a fighting chance. …
/r/MensRights is controversial for a reason. In the same sense as Jews of the 1890s, Irish of the 1850s, Hispanics of the 1350s, and many more. Each generation has their controversial improvement in society. We’ve gotten off easy so far, but we have to make it happen eventually. As far back as anyone living can remember, the table has been imbalanced in one way or another, favoring men or women. It’s time the table stays level for once. We need equality.
And that’s what /r/MensRights is trying to do.
Oy yoy yoy. There’s so much ridiculousness to unpack there that it makes me tired. I think I’ll go take a nap.
Mr. Mendel followed his stirring introduction with some questions for the denizens of r/mensrights. And there was some discussion. I can’t even. Not right now. I’ll get to all that in a future post.
In the meantime, Skepchick’s Rebecca Watson – who has been on the receiving end of r/menrights’ heroic activism more than once — has her own reaction to the Men’s Rights is the Subreddit of the Day announcement.
Posted on January 31, 2013, in a voice for men, advocacy of violence, all about the menz, antifeminism, dozens of upvotes, excusing abuse, FemRAs, GirlWritesWhat, grandiosity, hundreds of upvotes, misogyny, MRA, narcissism, oppressed men, playing the victim, reddit, spermjacking and tagged antifeminism, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 1,090 Comments.
“New troll is rapidly slipping into lulz troll getting frustrated territory, I wonder how long it will be until meltdown.”
Depends on how long you guys can keep up “you should remember every random person you met on the internet” with a straight face.
What, that’s the best comeback you can manage? 1/10, needs to go back to troll school.
So you don’t go on MRA sites but you’re telling us what MRAs are like?
“Make note” can refer to mental notes too. For example, if you enjoyed reading Neverwhere then you would make note of the author and look for other Neil Gaiman books.
@cloudiah
Kitteh’s said upthread:
So that’s where he got it from.
“What, that’s the best comeback you can manage? 1/10, needs to go back to troll school.”
Hey if you’re not going to put in any effort why should I?
Yep, we are all going to drop whatever we were doing to talk to someone who can’t be bothered to back up his claims about people who he can’t reference, whose sites he doesn’t visit.
And now back to talking about cheese.
@CassandraSays
I went to a diabetic camp once. Met a girl who put ketchup on everything. Including corn flakes. With milk.
It was a miracle no-one hypo’d, everyone on that table was put off their breakfast. (Thank goodness for chocolate smuggling!)
“So you don’t go on MRA sites but you’re telling us what MRAs are like?”
Yes, they can use the rest of the internet too.
@Cassandra
I have an uncle who keeps a tiny bottle of ketchup in his car because he can’t eat a meal without it. He went to Italy about three years ago, when he was about 45, and took the goddamn bottle with him. Also he hadn’t eaten pasta, ever, until that trip, because I forced him to. And he didn’t like it because he couldn’t have ketchup on it.
I’ve come to the conclusion that my uncle’s taste buds are broken. The ketchup is bad enough, but Irn Bru as a mixer for booze?
I’m not sure how much more cheese talk I have in me. Although, I have a nice aged cheddar right now that almost tastes like Parmesan. Got it at TJ’s.
I think Father Time encounters most of his favorite reasonable MRAs making comments on YouTube videos.
@thenatfantastic
I’d much rather hear about your parents’ eating habits than that one time that he barely remembers, the troll met a reasonable MRA somewhere on this vast internet.
My mother might be anorexic. She has something small for breakfast, almost never eats lunch and used to eat pretty much nothing but tomatoes or beans on a tortilla with cheese for dinner. Now that my grandmother is gone, she and my sister eat most of their dinners with my grandfather so it seems she is eating a bit healthier, but they still could use more veggies! (My mother’s response to my telling her about my eating disorder was basically “so what? I lived on nothing but lettuce and diet coke for a year”!!)
“Yep, we are all going to drop whatever we were doing to talk to someone who can’t be bothered to back up his claims ”
Well you took the time to pretend it’s weird that I can’t remember the names of strangers I talked to on the internet.
Disappointed that you aren’t going to keep up the trolling.
@CWS When my middle sister was little, she used to refuse to dip anything until it had been dipped in yoghurt. Including pizza and chips.
Parmesan vs. pecorino romano vs. asiago. Opinions?
I’ll go for asiago unless the dish calls for something really sharp.
Dude, go back to wherever you’re hanging out with these oh-so-reasonable MRAs and bring us some quotes. Or tell us where to go and we’ll look for ourselves.
You are the laziest troll ever!
<blockquote Irn Bru as a mixer for booze?
You have not lived.
@SomeGal I’m sorry to hear about your mum. i know how she feels though. I ate like that for years.
*last post ‘dip anything should be “eat anything”‘.
@ katz
I’m not wild about asiago, would rather have either of the other too. Both of them smell better than the sock.
That’s kind of like someone coming here to learn about the works of Terry Pratchett. I mean, we have plenty of Pratchett fans here, and we even talk about them sometimes, but if you actually want to find lots of good, concrete info about Terry Pratchett and his works you’re probably best off looking at websites dedicated to Terry Pratchett. (Or reading Discworld. That is also a good place to start.)
What you’re doing is reading a few odd comments about Terry Pratchett that crop up on websites not dedicated to books and/or Terry Pratchett, and then declaring yourself highly knowledgeable about this subject.
All depends on the dish.
Cowgirl Creamery’s Mt. Tam was a friggin’ godsend (FSMsend?) when we had to fatten my mother up after surgery. Now she’s on this anti-tumor medication that makes her just slightly queasy most of the time, so getting her to eat is really difficult. o_o
When my mum had a hard time eating during chemo she could usually keep down both jello and fortified milk drinks, so those might be worth a try.
So you come on here claiming David – who does read their sites – is cherry-picking, that not all MRAs are like that, and then you admit you don’t even fucking read their sites.
Piss off, moron.
“Or tell us where to go and we’ll look for ourselves.”
No you won’t. You’re not going to go through every thread I’ve been looking for people I talked to.
“So you come on here claiming David – who does read their sites – is cherry-picking, that not all MRAs are like that, and then you admit you don’t even fucking read their sites.
Piss off, moron.”
Listen dumbass, MRA’s don’t only hang out on MRA websites, they can and do show up on large forums when a topic about gender issues comes up.
Irn Bru at all, from all I’ve heard about it! I can’t recall if I dared drink it when I was in Edinburgh back in 2000. Lonely Planet said such harsh things about it. :D
She’s definitely able to eat more than the typical chemo patient. It’s more constant low-level queasiness that makes her forget to eat, or eat much less than she should. She can’t do Ensure, but I’ve got her drinking a different chocolate-flavored protein drink. I just have to make sure she remembers to drink it!
Guys, you may as well not bother. If someone doesn’t understand why he’s not considered an expert on people he doesn’t remember from sites he doesn’t visit, there’s not much chance of communication.
I actually like Irn Bru, by itself. Then again I am Scottish.
Diet Irn Bru otoh is an abomination.
Shorter fathertime89: I am going to just keep asserting over and over that something is true while refusing to provide even the tiniest bit of proof.
Go away, dude. Grown ups are talking here.
We’ve issued this challenge to every troll who comes by this blog claiming “these major MRA strongholds aren’t representative of the MRM, there are some reasonable MRAs!!!” and not a single one of them has managed to cough up an example. Just one example. Doesn’t matter how prominent.
You’re the only one who’s managed to come up with excuses as to why they cannot prove the existence of these ‘reasonable MRAs’, most of them just ignore the challenge.
More pretentious PR twaddle since the troll is no fun to nom on.
David’s quoting MRAs’ own sites. The ones where they do most of their ranting and hating on women. He’s going to the source. I know perfectly well these scumbag misogynists hang out elsewhere. They’re fucking hard to avoid even on something like Huffington Post. But you’re ignoring the main source of their hate speech and trying to tell us what reasonable fellows they are. You’re also ignoring specific, recurring examples of their attitudes. So no, I’m not impressed with your claims and your pretence. You’re defending the indefensible, because the MRM is entirely for and about misogyny. See that short pier over there? Go take a long walk on it.
But it’s made from girrrrrrrders!
But I can’t remember when or if I’ve ever seen MRAs in the wild because that would be haaaaaaaaaaaard :(
“What you’re doing is reading a few odd comments about Terry Pratchett that crop up on websites not dedicated to books and/or Terry Pratchett, and then declaring yourself highly knowledgeable about this subject.”
I’ve seen enough that I know the blanket statement that they’re all evil is complete shit.
That’s the thing with blanket statements you only need a few counter examples to disprove them.
Cassandra, what is that from??? That’s hilarious.
I found some poetry I wrote during junior high, and it was better than that.
@ cloudiah
Promo email for a new video for a band called Satan’s Wrath.
(This is why I love black metal bands, they’re so funny, even though it’s often not on purpose.)
cloudiah, that’s rotten about the chemo and constant queasiness. My BiL had much the same with his chemo a couple of years back (my sister got really used to having sick bags in the car at all times). I hope your mum comes through it all okay.
Oh, I put a link to an Angry Mormon Bear cartoon in the other thread. :)
I know, I shouldn’t but…
Provide a few counter examples or GTFO.
@CassandraSays
My grandfather once said Champagne tastes like Irn Bru.
We told him he’d either been drinking crap Champagne or really good Irn Bru.
(Irn Bru was also one of the components of Rocket Fuel ‘cocktail’…)
Isn’t it funny, then how you’ve provided exactly none? You made this assertion. Show some evidence. Because all the evidence so far is that the MRM is full of people with hateful attitudes toward women, and yes, toward children.
We’ve been asking for just one example for two pages.
troll: “la la la la I can’t hear you!”
Yeah Kittehs’ I love it — will add to the post after dinner!
Mom’s lucky in that she actually doesn’t need chemo or radiation; the drug she is on is generally “well tolerated” she just lucked out into being one of the few who doesn’t tolerate it so well. I told her she just had to eat even if she didn’t feel like it, and she should think of it as medicine. And then she made a really funny face at me.
Cassandra — re: coffee — YMMV! I’m a fan of the hazelnut stuff, whipped cream and cinnamon, but I run on coffee!
And my brother will oly use grated cheese that’s parmesan, romano AND asiago — which is a serious improvement over the days he’d only eat ziti with cheese (not pasta, ziti). Of course, he was like 6 then, and 24 now, so yeah…
All three I guess?
Pecunium — sweet pizza sauce?! Here I figured NYC pizza couldn’t be that different from New Haven’s! (General family opinion is that neither pepe’s nor modern are worth the wait, and don’t even try on a weekend.)
I know katz, I know. I couldn’t resist whacking him over the head with his own words.
@CassandraSays
It’s like a vaguely Gothic-themed random word generator…
>But I can’t remember when or if I’ve ever seen MRAs in the wild because that would be haaaaaaaaaaaard
So you keep a record of every person you ever have a conversation with in a forum?
Can I see it?
I can’t wait for Argenti to finally read Monstrous Regiment, since zie’s coffee fixation has led to me picturing hir as Maledict.
Argenti, my sister and BiL are kind of off Pepe’s and Modern too. They were telling me about some other pizza places to try the next time I’m back there. (Springtime, I hope.)
And now I’m reading about a band called Azure Emote.
“We’ve been asking for just one example for two pages.”
And I’ve explained repeatedly that I don’t remember the names of those people I talked to on a forum.
Not my fault you can’t accept the answer. I can give you the forum if you want (it’s not a forum about gender issues though).
“As Maledict” love it! :D
cloudiah, I guess your mum would have already been down the route of anti-nausea meds, if there are any that can be safely combined with what she’s on?
Argenti, can you use your “spot that fallacy” superpowers on this one? It’s like … he doesn’t exactly comprehend what words mean, but his spelling and grammar seem okay so I don’t think it’s an ESL thing.
Why is the difference between “every person you’ve ever met” and “any person you’ve ever met” so difficult?
“Isn’t it funny, then how you’ve provided exactly none?”
Ok where’s your evidence that everyone who calls themself an MRA is a misogynist?
You done a poll or something scientific?
Criminy! This is very sad trolling.
Are we trying to get a troll to quote something non-assholish from an MRA?
*rolls on ground, wiping tears of laughter from eyes*
…And that’s my abs workout for the day!
Is there a troll training program we can sign him up for? I feel kind of bad for him.
“And I’ve explained repeatedly that I don’t remember the names of those people I talked to on a forum.”
Then fuck off and stop making unverifiable claims on a forum dedicated to mocking misogyny – one with no shortage of material.
What’s your beef with this, anyway? What’s so precious about these “reasonable” MRAs? What have they actually got to offer that outweighs the sort of creatures David quotes, the ones who are called the senior figures of their alleged movement? (Given the type of movement it is, that just means they’re the biggest shits.) What are you so diddums upset about that a bunch of people are mocking the hateful? Has it occurred to you that if these reasonable MRAs exist, they are not the ones we’re mocking?
You really are stupid. Not that that’s a surprise. The trolls here are by definition stupid.
Oh, dear lard, YES. So much truth.
Come on fathertime/stonestupid, give us those counter examples, it’s easy, right?
Father
wasteoftime, you’re what, 23 years old? Isn’t there something better you could be doing right now? Like, literally almost anything?Seriously, the internet is full of free porn. Go! Shoo!
Her oncologist just switched her to a new anti-nausea medication so we’ll see. Also, I had this amusing conversation with her:
Mom: So… How do you smoke pot?
cloudiah: Well, there are various ways, or so I’ve heard. You can roll it like cigarettes, or use these little pipes, or use a bong, or … Why?
Mom: Just curious. [pause] And those stores, with the green cross on them — can anyone just walk in there and buy some?
cloudiah: I think so. They usually have someone there or nearby who can write you a prescription. Why?
Mom: Just wondering.
cloudiah: Do you want to try some?
Mom: Oh, I don’t think I could do that!
cloudiah: I can get you some.
Mom: I wouldn’t want you to get arrested!
cloudiah: Mom, I won’t get arrested. Do you want to try smoking it, because you know you can also eat it.
Mom: You can eat it?
cloudiah: My friend A. buys pot butter and makes cookies with it, for her joint pain.
Mom: What kind of cookies?
This went on for a while, but my mother now has a big freezer bag full of very special cookies so we’re going to see if we can get her the munchies.
I love it when these little twits throw tantrums to show how reasonable they are.
For the record, by “very special cookies” I mean cookies that contain absolutely no illegal substances. Oatmeal. That’s what I mean.
cloudiah – cool! Be great if the (ahem) special cookies help her.
“Has it occurred to you that if these reasonable MRAs exist, they are not the ones we’re mocking?”
Yeah how could I possibly believe that when people say all MRA’s are evil they actually mean all MRA’s.
You can’t possibly be this fucking stupid.
Cassandra– more Discworld! Eventually, eventually!
cloudiah — legend pizza perhaps? And I’ve been coaxed into watching some Reaper thing on BBC, if fathertime is still around when it’s over, I’ll give him a full game of Spot That Fallacy!
For the moment he’s definitely got some shifting the burden of proof going on with ow only a few counter examples are needed, but we need to go find them for him.