Roosh fan: Black and White Unite to Fight … the evil feminist white-male bashers! (Also: a terrible chart.)
I think we men can all agree that the REAL problem is those damn women’s libbers
So when I was poking around on Roosh’s Return of Kings blog the other day I ran across a guest post from someone calling himself Samseau accusing feminists of using racism to exploit men – that is, of expertly manipulating men of different races to fight one another instead of standing firm against the evil feminists and their evil agenda.
The post, while purporting to be somehow “above” the issue of race, is a muddled mess full of “white men have it worst” nonsense like this:
[R]acial infighting between American men wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for the political consequences.
Women, if you haven’t noticed, do not fight with each other over racial conflicts. They might get angry over the past, but they are able to resolve all issues by agreeing on a scapegoat: the white man. Colored women will gladly forgive their white sisters, since, after all, it was the white man who oppressed women and minorities.
White men are the big, bad, evil masters, and as such, all females of different colors can agree to put aside their differences in order to bring the white man down.
Yes, he did indeed use the term “colored women.” Oh, but there’s more.
The election results show that decades of brainwashing young American boys has been an unqualified success. Rather than have boys be loyal to their gender, boys have instead been trained to be loyal to their race.
Little non-white boys at the tender age of 9 years are fed lies about how white male oppressors created their poor living conditions, while white boys are taught that they need to correct the injustices of their forefathers lest they be guilty with the indelible sin of white privilege. Female teachers use the appropriate shaming tactics on these young minds to imprint the intended desire for conflict.
All according to plan.
And more:
Men are pawns in the race game. Thus while American women feed themselves government largesse, jobs, university degrees, their husband’s money, and child support money, American men fight each other over table scraps.
But my favorite thing about this article is the little graph that Mr. Samseau made up to illustrate the REAL issues men face today.
Yep. Race is the least important issue, while “getting laid” is number one.
It’s a pretty revealing little chart, huh?
The comment section for the article – wade into this swamp at your own peril – is (predictably enough) filled with angry racists trying to explain why race really does matter. Others, meanwhile, seem upset that all this racism is getting in the way of the regular woman-bashing. Still others suggest that men of all races needed to understand the “root cause” of all our “multicultural problems.” That being … teh Jews.
My favorite comment of the bunch, though, has to be this, from Caliente, combining an astounding ignorance of history with some half-digested evo psych:
Btw the reason why there are practically no racist women is simple.
Males of mammals are territorial.
They naturally base they identity from bottom up: family,tribe,nation,race.And naturally react negative to males of different “tribe”.
Females at the same time are receptive to have sex with any males as long as they are alpha enough.
In 19 century whites fucked all the black women because they were alpha and they had recourses,just look at Brasil.Nowadays a feminist will be cheating on her white beta herbling with some black fitness coach because that is how her brain assumes alphaness.
Wow.
Glad we got that all settled!
Posted on January 24, 2013, in alpha males, antifeminism, beta males, chartbusting, evo psych fairy tales, hypocrisy, irony alert, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, oppressed men, oppressed white men, playing the victim, racism, rape jokes, rapey, reactionary bullshit, rhymes with roosh, shit that never happened and tagged antifeminism, misogyny, pickup artists, racism. Bookmark the permalink. 902 Comments.
Someone needs to run this sock through the laundry.
While we’re on the dual subjects of racist white women and embarrassing cow-orkers, did I ever tell you all about the time my (white, female) supervisor turned to me after a (white, male) courier with locks had been and gone, and totally outed herself as Not That Bright?
So, the guy had locks, fairly large ones as I recall, and she wanted to know if I thought it was disgusting, how they rub poop in their hair to get locks.
I can’t remember what I said. I’m afraid I may have stood there with my mouth open. I didn’t dare argue with her, I’m sorry to say, because I was already hip deep over fucking something up earlier in the week, and there wasn’t anyone else around to get hurt by her comments that time.
So, yeah. That job didn’t last much longer, I’m happy to say, although I’m unhappy to say why. I just wasn’t a good fit.
When people say ridiculous/awful stuff I always get blindsided by it. It just takes my brain a minute or two of going WHAT. WHAT. DID SOMEONE JUST SAY THAT. Before I can even work on a response, and by then the conversation has moved on.
“Um, gender may be a social construct but biological sex is not. Women don’t menstruate because of their societal conditioning for example. I am not going to pretend that men and women are physically indistinguishable from one another because the reality is that they are. Be mad at me all you want but that won’t silence the truth.”
So you don’t like women because they menstruate?
Which is why it’s called GENDER essentialism.
The opinion I find particularly strange is that racism is a bigger problem than sexism, therefore we need more sexism.
I do think feminism concentrates mainly on privileged white women, things like the right to a career (work that provides some personal satisfaction as opposed to a job that just provides money) or speak outside the home, or being involved in politics implies you have the upbringing for such things in the first place. While some people enter these fields without privilege this is low for both men and women. Equal pay and welfare rights probably apply more generally.
I suppose there is the argument as well if we didn’t have white women having careers etc there would be more space for minority men. This does sort of phrase white men as the default and everyone else as invaders though.
Next thing Socky’ll be telling us that social gender roles are natural because biology.
Catching up here (again, damned was today busy!)
“Herbling is an MRA term which proves how the movement is misandrist.
They use it to refer to nameless men whom MRAs see as going through life as shapeless sad-sack betas. Totally not insulting to men generally.”
Amazingly, I have only one question: wtf movement do you mean? Please buy an antecedent!
Nice straw womyn, Joanna.
“Nice straw womyn, Joanna.”
Hey you left that wide open for interpretation there buddy. =P
Looks like Mr Al/Steele’s latest posts were brought to you by the letter Y.
Argenti – don’t forget, always precede “movement” with “bowel” when referring to the MRM. It clarifies the meaning.
David, are you around? I think it’s time to check DeMRALcq’s IP address and then throw this sock in the laundry basket with all the other ones.
Seconding that.
Although now that I see the Sir Mixalot comment it could possibly be OmNom. Either way, the sock is stinky and it needs to be washed ASAP.
BAWWWWWWW
So who is this Mr Al/Steele anyway?
Does baby need his rattle and a nice little nap?
Demarcq: you aren’t smart, funny, or original. Go away, little sock monkey, go away.
Cassandra: he needs his binky and a time out. Poor thing’s over tired.
IDK Cassandra…….perhaps you should attend to your motherly duties instead of prattling on the internets.
Now he expects us to change his diaper too? Kids these days, so demanding.
I didn’t know you still wear diapers, Cassandra….Kinda gross.
I know, right? MRAs and their mommy issues are so exhausting.
I don’t give a fuck for your “truth”.
No, menstruation isn’t caused, in persons of any gender, by social conditioning. Irrelevant, moving on.
You are gender essentialist. You think a person is defined by their sex. You think that it is reasonable and obvious to have more in common with someone from a completely foreign context who happens to be the same sex as you, than someone from your own context who happens not to be.
You’ve not mentioned trans people, but if you don’t think that having breasts and menstruating makes me a woman – and that I therefore have more in common with people who live half a world a way than with the man in the next room – then I will be deeply shocked.
You think all people with the same dangly bits are alike. You are gender essentialist.
Now hurry up and fuck off.
Hmm, the fixation on Cassandra, the use of “y” in words that don’t need them… the sock is strong in this one.
“Um, gender may be a social construct but biological sex is not. Women don’t menstruate because of their societal conditioning for example. I am not going to pretend that men and women are physically indistinguishable from one another because the reality is that they are. Be mad at me all you want but that won’t silence the truth.”
Way to miss, again, that trans men and non-binaries with uterī sometimes menstruate.
As for which sock, idfk, NWO, ABNOY, Steele…they all pull this shit.
Behold, the power of the sock! A stench like that can knock a person out from miles away.
“You think all people with the same dangly bits are alike. You are gender essentialist”
Other people say dangly bits!
Back on topic, you have kids Cassandra? This is news to me, and makes me question whether socky here had mommy issues, or is your stalker troll (my apologies if the latter)
Socky here has mommy issues.
Ewww! Stinky sock.
I think this fantastic, ass-kicking comment of dagrabbit’s got caught in moderation and I am worried that not everyone got to see how much it wins everything.
Now that is a strawman if I ever saw one!
I did not mention trans people because in fact, I was talk about cissexuals. A person is not defined entirely by their sex but it is a part of who they are. Transsexuals are an exception to this. Keep in mind that *sex* of the brain is sometimes not in agreement with the sex of the body.
Dagrabbit kicks all the ass with that comment. Demarcq could learn something from it, but the words are more than one syllable.
I bet he’s got a lot of trans* friends, too.
Yet more failure.
Thanks for that link, Viscaria! Dagrabbit totally wins with that comment.
Demarq, do everyone a favour and go fuck yourself with Legos.
Demarcq, you would have more staying power if you at least pretended to give a shit about the arguments you pretend to have with people. Remember that next time.
They see me rollin’
They hatin’
Patrollin’
They tryin to catch me posting nerdy
Dagrabbit’s comment is indeed great. *applause*
@Falconer
Nthing the applause for Dagrabbit. The comment rocked.
I’ll take manboobs to task myself. Do you think that we don’t notice the derogatory way you refer to white men? Tut tut ladies. We’re not stupid. You may say one thing, but the subtext says something entirely different. And we react accordingly to your contempt. You’ll never recruit any substantial number of white men because white men are your villains, whether you’ll admit it or no. That’s the difference between 2nd and 3rd wave feminism. 2nd wave feminism hated men. 3rd wavers are a little bit more savvy, realized they needed more voices to have any success. So they narrowed their focus, put only white men in their evil category. However ladies, you’re not so smart, because this still poses something of a problem, because white men are still one of the biggest demographics in the country. Tsk tsk, there are a lot of us ladies, we’re not the 1% here. We’re like the 40%. With the white men as villains, you’re going to have a real problem whipping the public into a frenzy like Occupy did, because white men are a big chunk of the public… not like the 1% rich, who are a small minority. Tut tut ladies. Your strategy needs work.
OMG Myoo did I seriously never notice that your gravatar is a kitty MODOK?
Maybe I didn’t deserve that nerd card in the first place.
Regarding Dagrabbits comment, I don’t blame him for wanting black women to stand with black men and reject feminism as a “rich white girl thang”. And is it such a shock that many chicanas feel the same way?
The 2nd wave of feminism tried to divide minority groups, particularly black Americans, by trying to recruit women of color into the womens lib movement; which would result in them turning against men of color making said men even more oppressed.
Black men are treated worse by most white people than black women. And this effect is amplified 1000 times when it comes to the way autistic men are treated(compared to autistic women).
You see, I am not a men’s rights activist, but I sure as bloody hell am an autism rights activist(I have it). And I’m outraged to see so many autistic women being recruited and brainwashed by neurotypical feminists and then ganging up with everyone else on autistic men. Especially since autistics are not a protected class so it’s okay to make fun of them and discriminate against them. This needs to stop! Autistic women need to realize that they have more in common and stand more to benefit from standing with autistic men against societies bigotry towards us than thinking it’s better to side with feminists simply because the latter has more political and legal clout.
Om nom for sure.
Got a stat for that, Om Nom?
So it is Om Nom. Did David ban him or did he go away on his own the last time?
“Regarding Dagrabbits comment, I don’t blame him for wanting black women”
Dagrabbit is a woman. You didn’t even bother to read that much.
Now you expect autistic women to side with autistic men because of the one thing they have in common? Funny, before it was you and ALL THE DUDES regardless of race, because women, ewww. Seems like it’s really all about you expecting everyone to support whatever white dudes want, regardless of any other issues.
I’m pretty sure Om Nom was shown the door.
I think he did get banned, though it was before my time.
@Myoo: I so need to buy Alpocalypse.
Banned him twice, as it happens. Once for posting a video that was one long rape joke. Then he left long enough that most people forgot he was banned and thought he was just on permanent moderation, so he snuck back in for a while. Then he posted another extremely offensive video (forget what it was about) and was re-banned.
Wow, pause to listen to one video and the troll flames out.
Oh yes, please do educate me on how male and female brains are different and don’t necessarily match genitalia. I’m sure you are full of fascinating facts that I, as a person whose apparent sex does not match their cognitive gender, will certainly be ignorant of.
Demarq: This is not a zero-sum game. You don’t reduce oppression and marginalisation for people with autism by oppressing and marginalising other people more. Every time someone is made aware of their own privilege that helps everyone. It is great to focus on your own thing – every cause needs its champions – but dumping all over everyone else’s causes (and your potential allies) is wasting your own time and energy to the benefit of the people who are oppressing you! Do you not see how ridiculous that is??
It’s called intersectionality. I know it’s a big word, but try reading up on it.
Or do you conflate “men with autism” with “creepy guys women complain about” and assume feminists are oppressing men with autism?
DING DING! WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!
And why does he conflate those things? Because he is an autistic man who is also a creepy guy who women complain about! He likes to tell himself that the latter is purely a result of the former, because if he admitted that that wasn’t the case he might have to stop being an asshole.
Anyone read Sheelzebub’s article on Feministe about this very thing?
In related news, I’m about to start volunteering at a place that assists people with disabilities. My blue card (necessary for working with children) arrived the other day so I’m going in today to talk about how I can get involved. I’m really looking forward to it.
Dagrabbit — that comment wins ALL THE INTERNETS, and, if you don’t mind, I have a question. Do you know when this changed, my google-fu is failing me —
“Colonial laws regarding statutory rape were not applied to Blacks and Indians. Indians and Blacks, as well as their children, were prohibited by law from defending themselves against abuse, sexual and otherwise, at the hands of Whites. A slave who defended herself against the attack of a White person was subject to cruel beatings by either the master or mistress. Liaisons between Whites and Blacks or Indians were illegal. The females of color received the harshest punishment if discovered in a liaison with a White male. Females of color, regardless of their young age, were viewed as seducers of White men. Pregnancy became the evidence of the illegal liaison. A mulatto baby the indicator of the race of the father – White male. The child, by statute took the status of the mother and is thus born into slavery. The full benefit of the relationship and the off-spring enured to the White male. Under English precedent, the status of children was determined by the father. The colonists changed the law to increase the wealth and domination of the White master who had eliminated certain costs of purchasing human labor by becoming “a breeder of slaves.” The Black female, woman or child, was forced into sexual relationships for the White slave master’s pleasure and profit.”
My father likes to go on about how honorable it was that his great grandfather married the Native American woman he impregnanted and I’d kind of like some historical proof that this is actually quite fucked up. But I can never figure out when those laws changed, and you probably don’t know either, so just ignore me and take your internets.
That was an amazing troll takedown, please have some internets, pull up a (misandrist and thus hard) chair, enjoy a SCENTED MOTHERFUCKING CANDLE and have some cookies! (Glad to have you around in other words! :) )
Going back to the Weird Al video, the Carl Sagan t-shirt is still available: http://www.zazzle.co.nz/carl_sagan_is_my_homeboy_tee_shirt-235363795090137941
Although given my spirituality, this would be more accurate for me: http://www.amazon.com/CEILING-CAT-My-Homeboy-CafePress/dp/B009R08KNI
Kim – congratulations! :)
Love that Ceiling Cat tee shirt! Though probably I should get this one. ;)
Kitteh – I have to see how I go first. They’re going to start having some Saturday outings to various places (like theme parks, shopping, movies etc), and all the participants are adults, so I’m just like ‘yay, i get to go on outings’. Hopefully it’s more like fun than work. I am completely ignorant at this stage.
Congrats from me as well, Kim.
Also: Demarq doesn’t seem to be a returning troll. Or at least his IP doesn’t match up with or resemble that of any previous trolls. He is annoying, though.
How about tsk two tut tut Fatrelle? Just stealing Steele tells or what?
Let us know how it goes, Kim! :)
So, these trolls really are just clones … it’s like a nastier take on the Dr Who ep about The Flesh.
Hmmmmmm.
And by “hmm,” I mean “I’m still pretty convinced that’s it’s Nomless but if there’s no proof of that I guess I should treat him like a brand new irritating gnat.”
“the Dr Who ep about The Flesh”
Not to derail to the Whoniverse, but I really think the flesh will be back. Too complex to be gone.
On (current) topic — congrats Kim!
I think they’ve finally figured out how to hide their locations.
When I was a graduate student, we had an undergrad research student who was really poor at reading social cues, etc, but we were a bunch of biology nerds so we accepted his oddity and moved on. When he came back the next summer, he started sending sexually explicit Facebook messages to one of the other undergrads in the lab. She was a little weirded out but we all dismissed it. Then a month later he started doing the same thing to another undergrad. We were concerned, so I took him aside and calmly explained to him that this is not something he should be doing and that not only was he upsetting the women of the lab, but he was potentially jeopardizing his future career in research/medicine if any of them decided to pursue a case against him.
After several of these conversations about how it wasn’t cool to sexually harass people and that writing “just joking” at the end doesn’t magically make it okay… he started sending me sexually harassing e-mails. I eventually went to my supervisor and he was given a dressing down and told he was not welcome back in the building. Being autistic is not a free pass to harassing people and it’s offensive to people with autism to imply that they would be awful to people because of their disability. I’ve volunteered with kids up to 18 years old with various disabilities for 6 years and never encountered anything like I did that summer. If you can legitimately not tell if someone is interested in your sexual advances or not, just bloody ask.