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Fellas! Better hold on to yourselves, because I’ve got some terrible news for you.

Actually, you’d better NOT hold on to yourselves. Because this is the news, straight from that always 100% reliable news source, the Men’s Rights subreddit:

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I wonder if manginal orgasms are still allowed?

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Posted on January 8, 2013, in antifeminism, MRA, oppressed men, rape, reddit, sex and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 777 Comments.

  1. Did you think we’d forgotten the last time you posted this stuff, dude who wants his parents murdered for not finding him a girlfriend? Unfortunately you’re rather memorable.

    (At least he’s not using someone else’s name this time, I guess that’s something.)

  2. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Myoo – that article is THE TRUTH. :D :D

    Cloudiah – ditto about the standing ovation! And Pierre will look cute in police uniform. ;)

    Heathenbee – *cough* it gets a bit weird about what I actually embroidered with hair. Let’s just say it represented … hair.

  3. I’m guessing it represented a Van Dyke?

  4. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Um … nope.

    I’m gonna feel like I’m channelling DKM if I say what it was! :D

  5. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Or rather, sound like I’m channelling him.

  6. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Oh noes! I haz killed the thread!

  7. Or rather, read like you’re channelling him.

  8. I almost wish that particular troll hadn’t been banned. He was sort of entertaining in his own demented way, at least when he wasn’t talking about murdering his parents.

  9. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    I thought you meant DKM for a moment there, Cassandra!

    Never mind, at least Gummint Girlfriends troll has inspired a Pierre thread. You could say his life has not been entirely in vain. :P

    Lowquacks – you mean you don’t hear voices with Manboobz comments? Oh the technology! :D

  10. I forget who did that. Was it the one that rhymed with “grabtoy”, or Mr Eating Sounds?

  11. No, but I do hear voices with Pierre comics. Do we have a Quebecois Boobzer or more? Black Bloc, I think? It’d be cool to have some acted out audiobook-style, I feel. I’d volunteer to read Redfield except my voice is somewhere between Hugo Weaving and Julian Assange, so probably both too posh and too mumbly. Apparently I also sound Kiwi or South African to a lot of people too?

  12. He was never actually specified as Quebecois though, was he? So there’s always aworldanon and probably other people I’m forgetting if BB isn’t keen.

  13. I’m pretty sure that aworldanon and BlackBloc are both located in Quebec, but I’m not sure if either/both are Quebecois. My tragically plummy version of French wouldn’t work even if I could convincingly fake a male voice, which I can’t.

    I’m trying to remember why GovernmentGirlfriends was banned. It can’t have been just for being fixated on the one thing or we’d have no trolls at all.

  14. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    I forget who did that. Was it the one that rhymed with “grabtoy”, or Mr Eating Sounds?

    They must have been before my time, I don’t know the names.

    Pierre wasn’t specified as Quebecois, just that he’s First Nations-Scots-French. Though he might be, given his cat is Poutine!

    Did you see cloudiah’s new script?

    Ha – thinking of you reading a Pierre script sent me on a tangent of

    1. lowquacks looks like Inigo Montoya
    2. Pierre has a spiffytash like Inigo’s
    3. we don’t see him without his hat
    4. OMG HE HAS LONG HAIR TUCKED INSIDE IT

    ::swoons::

  15. It would fit the First Nations thing…

  16. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Even swoonier, that hair!

    Cassandra, I just scrolled through the thread (Katz linked to it a page back here) on why this troll got banned. David said: “I was uncomfortable enough with where this discussion was going. Now someone’s given me information that makes me think “Robert” is a troll, or that the person behind the account is using that name to smear a real person by that name.

    So “robert” and his alter-ego are banned, and I’m banning any mention of his last name.”

    I notice that people had got to the point of calling for a ban, and you mentioned that if David didn’t want to ban him, we should ignore him because he was potentially dangerous.

    It’s only the repetition of the exact same stuff today that makes me think this wasn’t another Mr Al sock.

  17. I said approximately this recently on another board:

    Okay, let’s assume for the sake of argument that a man is in fact owed a woman. However, at the same time, women aren’t obligated to go with anyone they don’t want, and even if they do, they have the freedom to walk out if they don’t like the terms. Which means the “debt” is meaningless.

    Corollary: Even if she is asking for it, she doesn’t necessarily want it from you.

  18. There are women who are willing to have sex with incels. They are called sex workers. Has the troll explained at any point why that’s not good enough for him?

    Coincidently, this documentary was just recommended to me – Scarlet Road, made by an organisation called Touching Base.

    “Touching Base Inc is a charitable institution, based in Sydney Australia, that has been active since October 2000. Touching Base developed out of the need to assist people with disability and sex workers to connect with each other, focusing on access, discrimination, human rights and legal issues and the attitudinal barriers that these two marginalised communities can face.”

    I realise this isn’t as feasible in countries where prostitution is illegal. That is what needs to change. Is there anywhere or anyway that sex work is legal in the US and considered a legitimate profession?

  19. I think it was something about true intimacy and love and blah blah, ie. just the sex isn’t enough. But keep in mind that I seem to only remember the funny parts of that conversation.

  20. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Kim, if you’ve the stomach for it, the link Katz provided to the original thread (on the previous page of this one) gives pages and pages and pages of why this creepy specimen thinks nothing less than government coercing paying women to date “incels” is good enough. Also why his parents are murderers for not getting him a girlfriend, why it’s perfectly understandable that men will go out and commit mass murder because they haven’t got a sex slave girlfriend. This from someone who claimed to be 24 and to have had sex some six months before … yeah, really “incel”.

    Gah. I need a kitty video after skimming that lot. Behold Maddie the Shoe Queen!

  21. @Kim

    There are several legal brothels in Nevada IIRC.

  22. What a cute fluffy tortie kitty! She looks big; is she?

  23. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    The little moron was on about how he didn’t know how to approach women so that he’d know within half an hour whether they wanted a relationship with him or not.

    But since David had reason to believe he was trolling, there might have been no truth in any of his claims – I mean, apart from the BS he was spouting.

    It is all very Al-ish in retrospect.

  24. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    lowquacks – yup! She’s a big round kitty. Weighs more than five kilos. We call her Punkin sometimes.

  25. Big kitties are best kitties. The larger kitty Chez Quacks is 7-8kg and got a good brushing today because she’d been getting a bit matted, which she normally dislikes but was very good about it. She’s forgiven us because she got a bit of cold roast beef when she poked her head over the table at hooman dinner.

    Anyway she now just looks like a big fluffy silky ball of kitteh and it’s very cute.

  26. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Gorgeous! Is she a long-hair? Have you any pics of her you’d like to share?

    Mads is a short-hair, but she has a very thick undercoat which came out in chunks when the weather warmed up. Luckily she loves being combed or brushed with those rubbery pointy grooming brushes.

  27. Sorry to go totally O/T but I need a wee rant. Big abortion debate going on in my homeland at the moment. This is a superb article on the matter, but I needed to vent about one thing – why do so many men assume that they know what is better for women than women do? How can they disregard the life of the woman so blatantly?

    ARGH. Choice for Irish women, please!

  28. Yep. Both the kitties Chez Quacks are very large and fluffy longhaired tabbies, but one’s a very lean sleek regal brown friendly tabby with a lot of Maine Coon in him and the other one’s a cute ditzy shy fatty grey tabby, so it’s confusing that so few people can tell them apart.

    I can’t find any pictures that I could link to without mum-doxxing unfortunately.

  29. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    deezers – I read some of those comments. At least there were as many men who did know their biology and grasped the idea that it’s not their business to tell women what to do with their bodies. The obtuseness of the “but it’s murder!” mob was not surprising. Same garbage as anti-abortionists here and in the US spout, too. And the same source: women are less than human and belong to men.

    lolquacks, that’s a pity about the pics!

    Maine Coons are such beautiful cats. I’d love to have one but between the expense and the amount of grooming needed, it ain’t gonna happen. All our kitties have been rescues, including Mr Hadji who was an alley cat – all of three weeks old when Mum found him.

  30. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Oh, that fucking Ryan slime. He doesn’t seem to think human life is so sacred once it’s outside the uterus. He should call it the Sanctity of Men Controlling Women act and be done with it.

  31. Both of mine are RSPCA cats too! FWIW, Maine Coons who aren’t purebred/pedigree can groom themselves pretty well – my half-Main-Coon and a friend’s full Maine Coon have both gone their entire lives with the current owners without a single human-led bath and only occasional brushing, and they’re both very pleasant and clean kitties. And enormous kitties. And very fluffy kitties with very fluffy tails.

  32. There’s no such thing as a “single-celled embryo”, anyway. That’s a zygote and menstruation and most male masturbation involves getting rid of the things.

    Under that bill, not only would abortion and many forms of contraceptive be banned, but ejaculation would be mass murder, menstruation and a lot of attempted conceptions manslaughter, stillbirth probably criminal negligence, and identical twins would probably count as one person. You could legally travel in a carpool lane while pregnant with kids. Monty Python weren’t too far off with “every sperm is sacred”.

  33. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    I think women have already been imprisoned for trial for having miscarriages in some states in the US. The Handmaid’s Tale is far less speculative fiction than one might think.

    Our kitties were from various places – the RSPCA, the Lort Smith Animal Hospital, the Lost Dogs’ Home, the Australian Animal Protection Society, and a Carlton carpark. :)

  34. That Paul Ryan guy! What the fudge is his major malfunction? He is the worst.

    Yeah Kitteh, I was heartened to see how many wonderful Irish men were truly understanding and vocal about the fact that this is primarily a WOMAN’S issue.

    Re: Stam.
    I thought he was really funny just then. You just couldn’t make it up. From the first sentence, where he talks about “denying men sex” as though it is their penis-given right. Imagine though, if he didn’t exist – we would not have seen Cloudiah’s superb Pierre script!

  35. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    That’s what I thought, deezers – something that makes stam’s presence worthwhile!

    (Stam … looks like a typo for Spam. Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, lovely Spam, wonderful Spaaam.)

  36. Spam is appropriate since he keeps spamming us with his hare-brained plan for what he describes as “government girlfriends”. Like most spammers he seems to think that if he gets enough people to read it someone will eventually bite.

    Next time maybe we should spam him too, with links about the ongoing issue of the “comfort women” from WW2.

  37. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Or just spam him with squillions of kitty videos. Who knows, he might get a mental hairball. It’d improve his thinking.

  38. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Hmm. I’ve just played a few games of Tetris. Does this mean that it’s a social media game, or that I was really watching a dude play it, or that it’s not a real game at all, or that I am spoiling a manly man’s game with my female cooties?

    I am so confused.

  39. Probably one of those plus you’re communist scum.

  40. Is Tetris supposed to be a manly game? I always figured it must be more girly than a pink sparkly bra, since I’m so good at it.

  41. BUT WOMEN CAN’T DO SPATIAL ROTATION THINKING THAT IS SOMETHING THAT LITERALLY ONLY MEN CAN DO

  42. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    It’s probably been infected with girliness past all hope of redemption.

    I first played it during the mid 90s. I worked with three guys (all in our late twenties or fortyish) and we’d disappear into the computer room – yes, a computer room! – for ninety-minute sessions of taking turns playing Welltris. Much screaming of “Turn it the other way! Not like that, Muzzey! Oh, what did you do that for? Argh, it’s the guy’s face, that’s it, doomed!”

    They were fun times. :)

  43. I almost wish that particular troll hadn’t been banned. He was sort of entertaining in his own demented way, at least when he wasn’t talking about murdering his parents.

    I can understand why David banned him – using someone else’s name to peddle your own mega-creepy and paranoid fantasies is several degrees of moral wrongitude – but he was certainly one of the more original trolls we’ve had lately.

    I was reminded of him when I read Varpole’s response to his Troll of the Year award – Stam popped up at the bottom to complain about him being banned. In fact, to save you following the link, his exact words were:

    [David] did a similar thing to me back in August. I was posting under a name of a person who was defamed on the Internet (but with no links to blogs defaming him and talking about something completely different) and he immediately said I was using his blog to defame that person so he banned me. What a lying scumbag. When I sent him a very long e-mail explaining the situation he just said he didn’t read it and that I’m acting shady and entitled. My attempt to come back to Manboobz under a different nickname also ended in a ban because “I said my parents deserve to be killed”. Which is true, but I gave good and sound reason. Lying fat idiot.

    Out of morbid curiosity, I followed the link he supplied to his own blog, which turned out to be to this intriguing piece titled ‘David Futrelle – a liar supporting murder while engaging in censorship’. Intriguingly, he links to his original appearance on Manboobz in the context of creating the impression that he was the reasonable one and everyone else (full disclosure: including me) was “intolerant commentators most of who have reading comprehension of 7-year-olds”.

    This is a guy who, in the thread that he himself linked to (so he’s presumably stands by what he said), thinks that:

    • the government should pimp women, not as prostitutes (perish the thought), but “willing partners”;
    • such a service would not be available for women, because they wouldn’t need to apply (presumably because they can get sex with a mere snap of the fingers);
    • his parents deserve to be killed for failing to fix him up with a girlfriend (though this isn’t a death threat);
    • rape is less traumatic than celibacy (apparently you can just “get over” rape);
    • Norwegian rape apologist and Anders Breivik fan Eivind Berge is one of the great thinkers of our time;
    • if you don’t know within half an hour of meeting someone whether they’re a potential life partner, there’s no point even thinking about taking the relationship further;
    • he took people’s advice to get therapy, but his therapist refused to fuck him, even outside office hours when it would apparently have been OK;
    • he got laid twice in 2012, despite apparently being “incel”;
    • his lack of success with various girlfriends is mostly their fault;

    Oh, and inevitably:

    • the word ‘creepy’ “is one of those feminist buzzwords usually used by ultra-PC people against anybody they dislike.”

    I spin words for a living, and I can’t think of any word that describes Stam’s posts that’s quite as apposite as “creepy”. Unless he’d prefer “skin-crawlingly repulsive”, but that’s merely a less efficient way of saying the same thing.

    And I’m normally very sympathetic indeed towards genuinely decent human beings who have difficulty hooking up with romantic partners.

  44. Thinking about it a bit more, the reason I find Stam more amusing and less disturbing than some of the other trolls is that the shit he’s peddling is so absurd that there’s no chance of mainstream society taking it seriously. No modern government is going to agree to provide comfort women for citizens who aren’t very good at dating. That is not a thing that is going to happen. The only time that anything vaguely similar has ever happened was a. during a war and b. confined to the military, and even though the nation responsible still refuses to apologize, it’s rightly seen as a war crime by everyone else. So Stam’s flailing, though horrifying on many levels, isn’t scary in the way that some of the other trolls can sometimes be, because nobody is going to take him seriously. He’s kind of like Tom Martin that way.

    It’s the ones who couch their rape apologism in more socially acceptable terms that I worry about.

  45. starterlifesydney

    I found an MRA blogger who sympathised with a man kidnapping and keeping prisoner women (multiple) because he thought men deserved sex daily….

    http://bkctmoapghow.wordpress.com/2012/12/30/john-jamelskes-s3x-dungeon/

    And another post about how the CT school shooter killed children cause he was not getting “tail”…

    http://bkctmoapghow.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/sweet-bait-switch-4-social-constructionistz/

    (warning: English words and sentences are optional)

  46. starterlifesydney

    /\ ps he seems to be one of the posters exiled from the spearhead.com now that it has exiled controversial posters….

    P.s don’t read their India rape story, it’s worse than AVFM’s story….

  47. Dammit, I missed the incel whiner. They really are the most entitled asses in the manosphere, and that’s quite a feat.

  48. The combination of “had sex 6 months ago” and “incel is a lifelong condition!” is extra lulzy.

  49. thenatfantastic

    @starterlifesydney

    Sorry, I just can not click those links. Angry incels are the utter worst, normal MRAs tend to excuse rape, these fuckwads actually encourage it.

  50. It’s more than that, it’s that they want everyone to agree that they ought to be entitled to rape people and expect others to express sympathy about the fact that it’s neither legal nor socially acceptable for them to do so.

  51. Thinking about it a bit more, the reason I find Stam more amusing and less disturbing than some of the other trolls is that the shit he’s peddling is so absurd that there’s no chance of mainstream society taking it seriously. No modern government is going to agree to provide comfort women for citizens who aren’t very good at dating. That is not a thing that is going to happen. The only time that anything vaguely similar has ever happened was a. during a war and b. confined to the military, and even though the nation responsible still refuses to apologize, it’s rightly seen as a war crime by everyone else. So Stam’s flailing, though horrifying on many levels, isn’t scary in the way that some of the other trolls can sometimes be, because nobody is going to take him seriously.

    I completely agree. He’s creepy as hell (the mere fact that he clearly doesn’t have the remotest clue how creepy he comes across to a typical reader is evidence of that), but he’s not remotely threatening, as his ideas are so unworkably ludicrous.

    Even his many references to violence seem to revolve around him committing suicide and others (such as his parents) then getting blamed for his “murder”. A worrying attitude, certainly, but one that affects him more than anybody else. I’m even pretty unfazed about his comments about rape versus celibacy, because they’re more stupid and ignorant than actively malevolent.

    The silly thing is, despite his endless whining about how lonely he is, it’s never been easier than now to get a sympathetic hearing about almost any subject, even if it’s only online. As he himself demonstrated: after all, during his recent visit, he got to chat to several real live women… and proceeded to alienate and repulse them pretty much from the off. But that was his decision.

  52. This is a thing that always vexes me about these guys – OK, so you don’t know how to relate to women or form relationships with them, and this is a source of distress to you. And now here you are talking to a bunch of women, some of whom are attempting to explain precisely what it is that you’re doing wrong. A useful learning opportunity, right? But no, every damn time they respond by trying to rationalize away the advice that they’re being given and insist that their (already demonstrated to be unsuccessful) approach to dating is more valid and realistic than what all the women, and the men who have experience successfully dating women, are trying to tell them.

  53. Aw, I missed the creepy incel? I wanted to ask him about the time he blackmailed a woman for sex. If you read his blog post about his dating history, he comes across as a budding abuser. But no, he’s not the one with the problem…

  54. Also! What Wetherby said about the suicide threats reminded me of the other thing that always jumps out at me about those guys. They all seem to be unusually lacking in emotional maturity for their age. What I mean is that that kind of “yeah well I’ll kill myself and then you’ll be sorry!” idea is something that I tend to associate with tweeners or early to mid teens. It’s not the way that adults usually think, even very young adults. So part of the issue seems to be arrested development in an emotional sense, which is why I don’t think that it’s in any way helpful to these guys to be forming communities full of others who’re suffering from a similar lack of emotional maturity.

    In a weird way the incel communities remind me of pro-ana communities – the same sort of deliberate exclusion of anyone who might point out the flaws in people’s rationalizations or attempt to force them to confront how completely divergent from the norm their way of seeing things is.

  55. @ Starterlifesydney –

    I read it despite your warning. I think the part where he blames sexual and relationship deprivation for males who are not alpha males as a cause of violence is my favourite.

    That and all the outright lies and lack of any evidence, obviously!

  56. Creative Writing Student

    “Futrellian factotums looking to smear you”

    It seems that Mr Steelebutt has created a new adjective.

    Beyond that, it was rather amusing to see some MReddit people asking “what online activism???”

    And Government Girlfriends Guy is seriously creepy. Like, the kind of guy who you should never accept a drink from. No wonder he’s “incel”.

  57. I am failing to see the reason for using the word ‘factotum’ there…

  58. Although I don’t think that GovernmentGirlfriends is Mr Al, wouldn’t it be funny if he was? Like, he tried really hard to make friends with the other trolls but they weren’t having it, so he decided to create some imaginary friends (who are all trolls too) instead.

    Ladies and gentleman, I present The Saddest Man In The World.

  59. I have, sort of, fiber paralysis… I see nice roving and I want to spin it. That and various tools… ooh Shiny! and I’m lost looking them over for hours.

  60. These oblivious people are creating suicides and future George Sodini’s. If George Sodini could use my program he might get a girlfriend and not do what he did.

    GO FUCK YOURSELF.

    It’s this fucking attitude right here, this toxic masculinity* that leads certain people to believe that they are ENTITLED to kill, torture and maim people. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. You think you are the center of the fucking universe, and that no one feels the pain that you feel. And then you turn that shit outward and you take other people with you. You are responsible for your actions. And FUCK YOU for rationalizing this shit and upholding this bullshit patriarchal status quo that holds that men are obligated to respond with violence when they are not placed in their “God given” position as head and ruler of the household. You are owed NOTHING in this world. And you certainly are not justified in hurting other people for ANY FUCKING REASON.

    I don’t think I even have the words to express how infuriating this shit is.

    *and by “masculinity,” I mean our cultural narrative that demands a certain set of behaviors and attitudes from male-identified people, not the male sex itself.

  61. I am failing to see the reason for using the word ‘factotum’ there…

    Now now, criticizing Steele’s purple prose is the very definition of misandry. At least his definition.

    I have to say… most people’s prose is “purple” because it’s flowery and overdressed. I think his prose is purple from bruising.

  62. Creative Writing Student

    @Morkais

    Apparently it means “employee who does a wide variety of work”… I wasn’t aware snark, kitties, and literature/craft derails were employment, but y’know. Where can I submit my CV? :P

  63. Leftwingfox – brilliant, hahahahaah!

  64. On the incel thing again…I know some guys who’ve spent long periods of time single and/or celibate, and not by choice. None of them have ever expressed a desire to go shoot up a jazzercize class, or expected the government/their parents/the universe to provide them with a girlfriend.

    This is because they are reasonable adults. The incel guys should try it some time, it’s a lot more fun than being a whiny adolescent for the rest of your life.

    (Seriously, adolescence kind of sucks, I’m not sure why anyone would willfully trap themselves in that developmental stage.)

  65. As I recall it was because he was impersonating someone else with his rants about how he needed to have the gov’t force women to fuck him.

    The way in which he was doing it was worse than just, “real persons name attached to ridiculous theory on forcing women to fuck, “incels” (and yes, is was force, if a woman went on too many dates without putting out she was punished), it’s that he was alleging this person had committed crimes (rape, IIRC).

    He also sent me a long e-mail trying to elaborate his thesis.

    He’s more than deserving of being banned, and he’s creepy as all fuck.

  66. The “zygotes are people!” crowd just baffles me. They do know there’s more to legal personhood than just, your mom can’t do anything on purpose that causes your death…right? How are we supposed to keep track of all these undetectable cellular citizens?

  67. The taking on someone else’s name part screams Poe, but I can’t figure out WHY anyone would want to do that. Especially since he seems to believe most of the crap he spouts.

  68. Wait, the Spearhead is exiling controversial posters now? How’d that happen? (I don’t really want to know, I just… can’t look away).

    Also, if you ever do requests, David (I know, probably not), you could maybe take a look at David Collard’s blog. He posts on Sunshinemary’s blog often. Lots of material there. I made the mistake of reading his blog and now want others to share my pain…

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