This Just In: Reddit MRAs don’t know shit about rape prevention, but still have strong opinions about it
So over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, the top post at the moment (with more than 370 net upvotes) is a link to this image:
If I might hazard a guess: that’s because IT HAS YOU NUMBSKULLS.
Sigh. Let’s look at a little chart showing the striking decline in the incidence of rape we’ve seen in the last 30 years.
This is based on data from the National Crime Victimization Survey. Some have criticized the survey’s methodology and say that it undercounts the incidence of rape, but even if that is true, the trend is clear: Rape has declined significantly over the past three decades, and I think it’s fairly obvious that increased awareness and understanding of rape, largely the result of feminist anti-rape campaigns, has contributed significantly to this decline.
Naturally, those who tried to point this out in r/mensrights found themselves downvoted.
Posted on January 3, 2013, in antifeminism, feminism, hundreds of upvotes, misogyny, MRA, pig ignorance, rape, reddit and tagged antifeminism, feminism, men's rights, MRA, rape, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 315 Comments.
@CassandraSays
I want your vision….
I’m -5.75 and -6.25 in the right eye….
I’m 22 I’m to young for this….
I’m 39! Considering that my mother was in glasses as thick as milk bottles in primary school I really got lucky.
Hey, glasses-wearing folk! Dumbass question. My vision is giving me a little trouble, and the hubby is nagging me to get it checked. Do I go to a PCP for that, or is it straight to an eye doctor, and if so, what’s the difference between an optometrist and an opthamalogist?
Yeah, keeper of random facts is kind of useless, though keeper of random fish facts has half a pseudo-use (now if only there was a local fish store that wasn’t a goddamned chain *sigh* )
LBT, a regular physician might be able to tell you you need glasses, but not write a prescription for you. Optometrists can prescribe and fit you with lenses. Opthamalogists usually specialize in diseases or surgery of the eye.
I am not an optometrist, but I play one on t.v.
LBT – an optometrist is the person you go to for eye tests for getting a glasses/contact lenses script, and to get the glasses made up. An opthamologist doesn’t do that, they deal with stuff like glaucoma, cataracts and so on. I see both, ’cause I have, quote, pre glaucoma optical hypertension, unquote. Which might as well be glaucoma since it’s treated exactly the same way!
Un-fun fact: Ray Charles’s blindness was caused by undiagnosed glaucoma in his teens. It’s a sneaky rotten condition and has no symptoms, so if anyone reading this hasn’t already, do get it checked out (mine was found by an optometrist doing the basic test years ago). The treatment is straightforward – just eye drops in whatever combination – or laser treatment if you need the eye pressures reduced quickly. I had that done a decade ago, it’s a simple procedure.
Ninja’d!
You go straight to the Optometrist. It’s a very specialised field of study,and your PCP doesn’t have the skill, nor the equipment.
I’ve been lucky, in that my vision stabilised at, more or less, -6.25/1.0S:-6.75/1.25D at about 21-22. It’s orbited those numbers ever since. I see my new optometrist at the end of the month.
Okay, I’ll check with my insurance to investigate it and hit the optometrist then. I don’t think anything’s MAJORLY wrong, but hubby’s caught me squinting too many times, and I’m having trouble reading print at a distance lately.
Cassandra: I actually only wear my glasses at home. The sensation of my vision changing at the periphery when I look past the bit the glasses cover while walking around bugs the crap out of me, so I always wear contacts.
That’s why I have large frames. Contacts are nice, but I can’t peer over them to get instant magnification (which matters when I am sharpenig things). They also don’t provide any protection when I am crafting, etc.
@The Kittehs’ Unpaid Help
It is indeed pitiful that someone would be so depraved and lonely as to seek out vicarious experiences of sex with a silicone toy and pornography… as opposed to much more healthy means of coping like, say, fantasizing about being in a relationship with Louis XIII.
Mens Rights Activists (not all of them of course but it seems to be a pretty common theme!) … “If I don’t like your data then there must be something wrong with it, I will refute it with logic because I am a genius and my logic outweighs facts even though I have no evidence of my own”
Those mra’s are a class act. I was raped when I was 20 and it still haunts me to this day. I am still angry-it made me psychotic and I am on several meds to help me live a normal life. The three assholes (one raped me) were convicted. one of them had murdered someone. He didn’t use a condom. Thank god I didn’t get pregnant or catch an std. They had guns. I’m lucky they let me live. I went straight to the police and hospital when it happened. I know sooo many women and girls who have been raped and molested…(and men too!) It’s incredible. How would a mra like to be penetrated against his will?! Clearly they have no compassion for rape victims and women in general. Their “movement” is a joke. It’s all built on hatred towards women.
ProfessorJimboSpice — First, when did sex become a “means of coping”? Second, do try to figure out the difference between sex and a relationship. Clearly this is quite difficult for some people *cough* MRAs *cough* but it’s simple really: sex = sexytimes / genitals; relationship = whole person, usually but not always including genitals.
Fleshlight on its own = sex toy
Fleshlight + app = disembodied body parts, meant to be arousing
Louis XIII = complex person
Fleshlight + fantasies = enjoy that
Louis XIII = enjoy that
Fleshlight + app = objectifying your partners is kind of gross
Amanda — I’m so very sorry that happened to you.
Professor Jimbo Spice: fuck off.
I hit 30 and my vision started declining. My dad teased me and said “wait till you’re 40, you’ll be in bifocals like the rest of us.” Well… ten years later I’m now wearing no-line bifocals that took me the better part of a year to get used to.
JimboSpice, go step on a lego. Kitteh’s was clearly talking about how creepy it is to reduce women to vagina + breasts. But yeah, teh feminists are mean meanies for pointing it out and you clearly have to resort to personal attacks on well-liked commenters for such an egregious slight.
Jimbo: I can see you’ve been hanging out a while. Now you choose to speak up, with the intent of being cruel.
Go get swapped for chlamydia. Twice.
Pecunium: wishing him the giant q-tip is evil, I dig it.
Oh god, swabbing. My vagina is cowering. You are evil.
oh god swabbing *curls into a ball and falls over sideways*
@Hellkell – I got bifocals when I was seenteen. When I was in my thirties my new eye doctor told me I’d been misdiagnosed but would need the bifocals in five or so years anyway, so I just kept wearing them. Adjusting to them is a drag at first – I hope they will get better for you.
Hippodameia: I’m adjusting. I no longer feel like I’m drunk when walking around with them on. As a bonus, my driving night vision is much better. I didn’t realize how off it was, not like it would make me stand out amongst the cornucopia of shit drivers here.
“Go get swapped for chlamydia. Twice.”
*shudders* I think you just found a curse that trumps may your every step be filled with Legos
Kitteh, me, and others where discussing Louis XIII and period fashion on the New Years thread, so our Professor here might have seen that. In any case, Pecunium, go there, you’ll enjoy the discussion.
I’ve been swabbed once. Oh My God.
The only reason I didn’t puke was I was trying to pass out.
The only reason I didn’t pass out was I trying to puke.
I had a yeast infection.
I did, and there is more subtext in his comment than that thread really makes plain.
Actually, I smell sock.
The lurking bit does smell socky, as well as the goofy name.
RE: ProfessorJimboSpice
No, no, no, you’re going about this all wrong. I’M the one you should be saying that too, dumbass. Here you are, going after Kittehs, and missing me as the more obvious target. I mean, I made a fucking ZINE about my relationship!
*shakes head* Foolish trolls, always making the silly mistakes. Sorry, Kittehs.
Who else thinks we should just not talk to him on the offchance he’s you-know-who?
RE: katz
I naturally lean that way, but I have a dog in the ‘your relationship isn’t real because PLURAL’ fight. And I so rarely get to call anyone out on it in any social sphere…
Guys! We got a kitten, a 12wk old orange tabby boy with blue eyes. I’ll post some pics later.
Thirding the who-know-who guess.
Pecunium — swabbed for a yeast infection, is there any part of medicine that doesn’t hate you?
Hellkell — SQUEEEEE KITTEH!!!!!!
Argenti: Male symptoms of yeast infection are much like those of gonorrhea, so the swab wasn’t completely out of line. The other time there was a worry (chance of my having it… practically nil. The husband of a woman I was seeing caught it, and so a lot of us had to get checked. None of the women who had it and I had not used condoms) I went to the clinic, told them what was going on and they just wrote a scrip for erythromycin.
The Army is much more proactive, and I got an entire STD panel, and a prophylactic injection (which required an anasthetic). All negative.
I’d think you could culture it from the um, symptoms. I should really call PP and confirm that no news is good news — I had the full set done a month ago. Fun motherfucking times!
Also, oh the joys of poly relationships, one person gets anything and everyone gets it. (You didn’t share the flu did you?)
There is now a blood test, but the exterior discharge has too much other bacteria to make a surface culture practical. A clean colony is almost never going to happen.
But the swab is isolated and urine is sterile, so the go rooting round in the urethra… scary far.
*shudders* yeah, I had a butterfly needle and the good old pee in a cup…in the dark. The whole block lost power, PP offered to reschedule if I wanted, I said I was there and medicated so let’s do it. Gotta give that nurse credit, she drew blood, in the dark, by flashlight, and I barely felt it.
After the vampire phlebotomist, it was a dream. The sex partners questions were interesting, I think you where right the other day about “we use condoms, always” being their real question. OMGS though on the medication questions, my list of fucking four >.<
All my doctor asked was, “do you practice safe sex”, She didn’t ask of I was in a relationship, had more than one partner, etc.
“are you sexually active?”
“do you practice safe sex?”
“do you smoke?”
and one we went.
I did get asked whether I have male/female/both partners, but then it was straight on with the other questions.
I’ve been vag-swabbed for yeast infection, quite recently. I also have vaginismus – nothing gets up (or, presumably, down) there without a fight. (I have a horrible feeling I’m going to get it sorted and three years’ worth of menstrual blood’s just gonna come gushing out.)
Anyone who’s been swabbed has my sympathy. *wince*
Hellkell! Kitten! Joins the squees!
LOL to smelly sockpuppets trying to needle me about Mr K. It says everything about the sock, nothing about me at all. Seen it before, meh, these tossers are so unimaginative.
And high fives plus big smiles to everyone else!
Lol, a dozen angry responses to my one comment, not bad. Kudos to Mr Manboobz for allowing my troll through, would’ve got me insta-banned from most internet hugboxes.
@LBT
Well LBT, your imaginary relationship doesn’t raise quite the same dilemma as an imaginary relationship with a historical figure… Can the spirit of a long dead French monarch consent, or is it akin to necrophilia? Even if consciousness remains after death the living are clearly in a position of privilege due to their physical existence and relationships between the two seem inherently unequal and exploitative. Imo, such behaviour only reinforces rape culture.
That’s quite creative, Bimbo.
Did anyone email David for a sock check?
Yup. Dunno if it’s a sock or not, but he’s banned it.
Jimbo: Either there is no real relationship (in which case no lack of consent), or there is,and we can assume Mr. K is consenting.
It’s not that hard.
Enthusiastically!
Let’s all ignore the sock, shall we? I would far rather see pics of hellkell’s new kitten.
The sock’s been banned, so sucks to them.
Seconding the vote for hellkell kitty pics!
Yay for banning assholes! And there are going to be kitten pics? Sweet.
At this point we should probably respond to any new troll with a silly name and an obvious desire to upset people with “Hi, Mr Al. You’re still banned”.
You’d think he’d have learned by now that he’s wasting his time doing that. He doesn’t know the difference between “upset” and “scorn with a tinge of disgust”.
He obviously is really upset at Steele being found out if he’s so over-the-top offensive now!
Oh, he’s been over-the-top offensive in times past, I think. But it is … pleasing … to think he’s pissed off at being outed.
I know he has, but it was always prompted by something. (Normally something rather innocuous that just hit some weird soft spot of his, but something.)
Y’know what I think hits his soft spots? People who are happy. Joy is not an emotion that MRAs in general seem to have any acquaintance with.
Or possibly he was mortally offended that anyone would side-eye a bloke who wants to wank into a fleshlight with a picture of a woman’s headless, anonymous torso attached.
In this case I think the sore spot is the idea of people judging the behavior of sexually frustrated men.
WTF does Louis XIII have to do with anything? (Whatever it was, I missed it.)
It was a family resemblance dealio that the dirty smelly sock willfully misunderstood.
No, thebewilderness, Louis is Mr Kitteh. Or Mr Kitteh is Louis, whichever way you want to put the sentence. Not reincarnation, his spirit. :)
whataboutthemoonz – Argenti and lowquacks and LBT and I were having a really good conversation about seventeenth century fashion on the Happy Damn New Year thread, and socky decided to have a go about it. He got royally* taken down elsewhere before being banned.
*pun intended
@CassandraSays
Hell yeah.
Kitteh’s: according to Wiki, Mr. Kitteh’s and I share a birthday. Cool.
I’m glad BimboSpice got banned. It’s so sad that they hate any happiness.
Whoa, way cool, hellkell!
It freaked me a bit when I found that Bruce Springteen (who I use for my pics of Mr K ’cause they look very similar) has a birthday only four days earlier. Imagine if it’d been the same day! :O
:)
And on other important topics – have you and Mr H had any thoughts on names for the lovely Ferocious Biscuits boy? You’re right, Trip isn’t the name for him. Makes him sound like one of the Palin offspring.
Well, Mr. HK has floated the name Russell Sherman Lynch, after three Seattle Seahawk players. I kind of like Sherman. There’s also Biscuit and Momotaro (peach boy from Japanese folklore).
I like Sherman. Makes me think of Sherman T. Potter. :)
Or if he had dark whiskers you could call him Pierre … say, Pierre’s cat is ginger!
Pierre needs a cat!
My cat has three names so I heartily support that. (Her name links to my real name or I’d share.)
Pierre has a cat! Did you see the happy new year comic?
http://pierre.thecomicseries.com/comics/4/