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American Women and Stupid Girls: Misogynistic Lyrics as Faux Social Critique

Mick Jagger and Keith Richards: Spokesmen for Clean Living

Mick Jagger and Keith Richards: Spokesmen for Clean Living

 

Listening to the Rolling Stones’ “Mother’s Little Helper” the other day, I was struck by how much the lyrics resembled a misogynistic MRA rant. Ostensibly a song pointing out the hypocrisy of suburban squares attacking the drug culture whilst themselves popping prescription pills, the song extends its “critique” to cover such subjects as the evil of women making cakes from mixes instead of from scratch.  (See below for videos of all the songs mentioned in this post.)

So you go from this bit of, ahem, social criticism:

“Things are different today,”

I hear ev’ry mother say

Mother needs something today to calm her down

And though she’s not really ill

There’s a little yellow pill

She goes running for the shelter of her mother’s little helper

And it helps her on her way, gets her through her busy day.

To this:

“Things are different today,”

I hear ev’ry mother say

Cooking fresh food for a husband’s just a drag

So she buys an instant cake and she buys a frozen steak

And goes running for the shelter etc etc

Yep, that’s right. Mick’s as bothered by the frozen steak as he is by the dangers of tranquilizer abuse. By the end of the song, the hypothetical freezer-and-cake-mix-using mother has died of an overdose. Told you so!

Misogynistic rock songs aren’t exactly a rarity – hell, “Mother’s Little Helper” isn’t even the worst offender in the Rolling Stones’ disography.

But unlike more straightforward outbursts of misogynistic nastiness like, say, “Under My Thumb,” “Mother’s Little Helper” pretends to be something nobler: a social critique.

The blogger behind the wonderfully arch I Hate the New York Times blog pointed out to me in a tweet that a surprising number of old rock lyrics play this little trick. Taking the form of a “critique of today’s inauthentic & hedonistic society” they are in fact “directed at [a] specific shallow hussy.”

Along with Mother’s Little Helper, IHateNYT suggested I take another look at the lyrics to Paul Revere and the Raiders’ “Kicks.” And, yep, it’s basically the same thing: a critique of drug use in the form of a patronizing lecture to a young woman in search of “kicks,” starting out with this little bit of I-told-you-so, delivered with a sneer:

Girl, you thought you found the answer on that magic carpet ride last night

But when you wake up in the mornin’ the world still gets you uptight

It turns out that the song, written by the songwriting team of Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil, was inspired by the drug use of a male friend of theirs – though somehow in the song this specific man became a hypothetical “girl.”

And then of course there is the Guess Who’s American Woman, a sort-of critique of America’s “war machines” and “ghetto scenes” in the form of a long, sneering diatribe against a hypothetical woman:

Now woman, I said stay away

American woman, listen what I say

 

American woman, get away from me

American woman, mama let me be

Don’t come knockin’ around my door

Don’t wanna see your shadow no more

And on and on and on for a very long five minutes and nine seconds.

One of the reasons these songs sound so much like MRA rants is that MRAs like to play the same little game, dressing up their misogynistic sentiments in the form of “social critique.” Thus Paul Elam’s faux-environmentalist attack on female consumers, and all that talk about how single mothers and/or “picky women”  are going to bring about the end of civilization. Heck, some manosphere fat-gal-bashers even pretend they fat-bash out of concern for the well-being of the women they’re ridiculing.

It might be entertaining to transform some of these old woman-hating songs into critiques of woman-haters. “Stupid Girl” by the Rolling Stones might be a good place to start. I mean, seriously?

Like a lady in waiting to a virgin queen

Look at that stupid girl

She bitches ’bout things that she’s never seen

Look at that stupid girl

Those are real Rolling Stone lyrics, not a comment from NWOslave. Have at it.

Here are videos of all the songs I mention above:

 

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Posted on December 4, 2012, in disgusting women, evil women, hate, hypocrisy, irony alert, life before feminism, misogyny, MRA, music, oppressed men, paul elam, princesses, YouTube and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 415 Comments.

  1. Since my identity is rather unabashedly tied up with this handle, I will out myself as a gigantic nerd too. Here’s a link to me singing the beginning of Canterbury Tales to the tune of “For the Longest Time.”

    Ahahahahahaha

    …I may have sung along.

    (And yes, the King’s Singers make adorkable faces. Really most classical singers do; there’s a hilarious photo somewhere on Facebook of one chamber choir I was in, helpfully captioned, “[Group name] has a collective orgasm.” I cannot deny that that is, in fact, exactly what that photo looks like. :-p )

  2. Oho! I outsmarted myself!

  3. I also think the lute/oud distinction is semi-crap. Semi because the, somewhat, greater range of subtlety one has without frets exists, but the basic shape/tone is the same.

    I am not arguing the music is the same, just that they belong to the same family of instruments. As the Viol family includes both the fretted viol de gamba, and the fretless Bass-viol

  4. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Polliwog – I’ll go to those links later (work? What work?). I LOVE crumhorns. They always make me think of the music David Munrow used for The Six Wives of Henry VIII and Elizabeth R in the 70s and played with The Early Music Consort of London. Crumhorns scream Tudor to me, and that was my first love in history (Anne Boleyn was my heroine – thank you Dorothy Tutin).

    I knew it wasn’t a theorbo – not only because of the lack of the second course of strings (which make the most amazing deep sound) but the size. Every theorbo I’ve seen is massive.

    Steeleboy, I had a teacher who picked on me something rotten in grade one. Miserable old character she was, and I’ve never known why, unless it was a case of a bully seeing a soft target. But guess what? Like Pecunium said, that was ONE teacher. She didn’t destroy my ability to read or write or do anything else.

    And here’s an idea – wouldn’t learning to write decent English be your perfect revenge against the teacher you complain about? Hmmm? Why give her that much power over you?

    Unless of course she never existed or you’re just pretending that being told once that your writing wasn’t very good was because of misandry, rather than an observation of fact. After all, if you’d had any sort of natural bent for it, it wouldn’t disappear so completely … writing is something that tends to flower if you a) have any talent at all and b) actually do some work developing it.

  5. And, because he deserves a tribute: to the late Dave Brubeck:

    Beyond Take Five

  6. I’ll drop what I’ve been listening to here then. Just the first number, but it shouldn’t be too hard to dig up if anyone’s interested ;)

    Though it’s all-female theater, which I’m sure’ll have certain folk screaming misandry. Which is… totally wrong, but I’ve a long, long rant about that, which I am *not* writing up here.

  7. Okay, so I fail at embedding. The link works at least…

  8. just put the youtube link up, no html WordPress (usually) translates that to an embed.

  9. Whoever it was posted the Dropkick Murphy song, thanks! I’m building up a small collection of anti-Christmas songs, since I’m having welfare Christmas alone again, and want the stupid day to be over with as soon as possible.

  10. @LBT I have a list of those, but I made it a couple of years ago and I’m not sure I have it on this computer. I’ll look for it in the morning (GMT!) and post it for you if I can find it.

  11. RE: thenatfantastic

    Thanks! I’d appreciate it! :D

  12. OK, I managed to find it before I went to bed. Disclaimer – this playlist was made by leaving my computer open at a party two years ago, and I haven’t listened to it since then. There might be some with horrible lyrics and so on. They should all be available on Spotify or Youtube. I’ve tried to take out all the ‘proper’ Christmas ones for you, but most of them I don’t recognise so sorry if some slipped through – there’s a couple that are on full anti-Christmas albums (Oi! To The World is definitely a full album’s worth):

    Christmas Eve Montage (RJD2)
    Merry Christmas (Laakso)
    Is This Christmas? (The Wombats)
    Jag Sag Mamma Kyssa Tomten (Lars Vegas Trio)
    Merry Christmas Maggie Thatcher (Billy Elliot Cast)
    Christmas Card From A Hooker In Minneapolis (Tom Waites)
    Feliz Navidad (Bowling For Soup)
    I Wish It Was Christmas Today (Julian Casablancas)
    Heavy Christmas (220 Volt)
    Spotlight on Christmas (Rufus Wainwright)
    Dig That Crazy Santa Claus (The Brian Setzer Orchestra)
    Boogie Woogie Santa Claus (“)
    Take A Break Guys (“)
    Christmas Day (Squeeze)
    We Three Kings (Reverand Horton Heat)
    Santa On The Roof (“)
    Medley: Jingle Bell Rock/Jingle Bells (The Coffin Draggers)
    God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen (Th’ Legendary Shack*Shakers)
    Holiday Twist (Los Straightjackets)
    O! Santa (Chatham County Line)
    Merry Christmas – I don’t want to fight tonight (The Ramones)
    Kidnap The Sandy Claws (Korn)
    Making Christmas (Rise Against)
    Something Funny In Santa’s Lap (The Moaners)
    Santa Gave You What You Gave To Me (Jake Brennan, The Confidence Men)
    The Business of Christmas (American Princes)
    Oi! To The World (The Vandals)
    I Don’t Believe In Santa Claus (“)
    Jenny Xmas (Tommy Tutone)
    Don’t Shoot Me Santa (The Killers)

  13. LBT: Fear’s “Fuck Christmas.”

  14. Oh, and The Kinks’ “Father Christmas.”

  15. Was just going to mention “Father Christmas”!

    The Pogue’s “Fairytale of New York” is slightly romantic/schmaltzy but in a very twisted way.

    Rilo Kiley’s “Xmas Cake” and The Sonic’s “Don’t Believe In Christmas” (FANTASTIC garage-rock number) would fit in too, and The Black Arts have “Christmas Number 1″, which is a little satire of the sort of the song that gets to be such a thing.

    The Mynabird’s “All I Want Is Truth For Christmas”, The Ramone’s “I Don’t Want to Fight Tonight”, and The Waitresses’ “Christmas Wrapping” (or the excellent Summer Camp cover) are all pessimistic/slightly bah-humbug but do have more conventional Christmas messages and sleighbells and all the rest of it.

  16. Shit, “I Don’t Want to Fight Tonight” was already mentioned. Consider my mention a seconding of the recommendation!

  17. Beach House’s “I Do Not Care For The Winter Sun” and Hanoi Rocks’ “Dead By Xmas” could be suitable too.

  18. And Marvin Gaye’s “Purple Snowflakes” is optimistic lyrically but you’d never guess it listening to the thing casually. Low’s “Just Like Christmas” is ambiguous lyrically and very downtempo and flat-sounding musically.

  19. That’s the first time I’ve seen anyone else mention Hanoi Rocks in years. Bravo!

  20. They’re reasonably overlooked, which is probably because of the way they get lumped in with the LA glam thing they inspired and later became a part of and people assume they were just another Motley Crue or whatever, but they definitely had their own thing. Probably not the coolest band, but charming.

  21. @LBT – *waves* That was me. Bummer about your holiday, though. (I completely advocate people spending Christmas alone if they want to, but not doing it by choice kinda sucks.)

  22. Again – my writing has suffered due to misandry. It is in no sense my own fault.

    Are you 12 or are you an adult who has control over your ability to progress at things you aren’t very good at? God, if my education stopped after it was being force fed to me I might be as ignorant as you too.

  23. Great observation David. Ever read the lyrics to “Brown Sugar” by The Rolling Stones? Thank you for your amazing website. It’s nice to know we (Feminists) have a cool guy on our side:) Keep exposing the ugly reality of patriarchy…

  24. The Stepford Knife

    These Dizzee Rascal lyrics infuriated me when I first heard them a few years back- the song may as well be called “Alpha Male Cock Carousel Rider” but I suppose it’s pretty fitting having a Bible reference as the title:

    DIZZEE RASCAL- “Jezebel”

    Yo, look, look, look
    They call her Jezebel
    you might find her in your neighbourhood
    Always in some shit
    Up to no good
    Constant boasting bragging to her friends
    Juiced every boy in the ends
    Didn’t finish school
    She would truant every day
    Always on the link
    Different boy every day
    Missed mathematics she was doing acrobatics
    But not gym class
    She was gettin’ doggy fast

    Yo, they call her Jezebel
    Friends call her sket behind her back
    She never knew the plot
    She was born of track
    Tight top short skirt thinks she’s to nice
    Hates love but she’s been deep in twice
    Pass with, whoe can’t keep her legs closed
    Always on the creep
    Now she’s in too deep
    Now she face’s neglect, abuse and rape
    Man said that he’d kill her
    If she try to escape

    [Chorus]
    Whats your name?
    I’ve seen you about
    I think your choong (Boom ting)
    I really hope your not a grim
    I really hope your not a jezzy, jezzy
    Where you from?
    Hot stuff (Buff ting)
    I really hope your not a grim
    I really hope your not a jezzy, jezzy
    I’ve seen you about
    I think your tromp (Boom ting)
    I really hope your not a grim
    I really hope your not a jezzy, jezzy
    Where you from?
    Hot stuff (Boom ting)
    I really hope your not grim
    I really hope your not a Jezebel

    You might find her at a house rave
    For the fifth time
    She’s gettin’ whind from behind
    Had a bit of drink
    So she’s acting kinda slow
    She came with Natasha
    But she’s leavin with Joe
    Ricky loves jezzy but jezzy loves bling
    Ricky means well but Ricky ain’t got a thing
    Joe’s got a name
    And jezzy loves fame
    She wants a man to show
    So it’s all about Joe

    They call her Jezebel
    On her way to get walked out
    Get battery
    And get kicked out
    Jezzy weren’t expecting more then four
    What could she say
    She just did it anyway
    Messed up caught a kinda STD
    Gonorrhea, Herpes, no VD
    Left bitter, left angry, left vex
    But still loves sex
    Passed it on to the next

    [Chorus]

    Pretty but
    Ain’t got a brain
    Got no shame
    Got juiced on the train
    Went from daddy’s little girl
    To daddy’s heart attack
    House wreck a side
    She could never go back
    Raised in the church
    Not knowing anything
    Learned about boys
    Ruined every thing

    Aged 16
    She was never full grown
    She was in a family
    Now she’s got one of her own
    Two kids
    Even worse
    Two little girls
    Two more of her
    That’s two Jezebels
    Two fatherless kids
    One single mum
    No longer young
    But the boys still come
    Yo, wishin’ she could take it back to the old school
    And make better choice’s
    Oh what a fool
    But all by her side
    But she wonder man
    Only if she was six years younger
    Damn

  25. The Stepford Knife

    Has anyone covered Nice Guy lyrics yet? Two which spring to mind are Avril Lavigne’s Skater Boy (“he wasn’t good enough for her…” we have another female misogynist right there) and Wheatus’s “Teenage Dirtbag”. A lot of Pulp’s lyrics too- Disco 2000 springs to mind. I can’t think of any more right now but I’m surprised by how often I find myself listening to the radio and realising just how many lyricists seem to be Nice Guys!

  26. We covered Taylor Swift’s “You Belong With Me”, which is a Nice Gal song. Elvis Costello is great but has a slight Nice Guyish tendancy lyrically too…

    We Are Scientists have a nice anti-Nice Guy song with an entertaining video:

  27. Most indie bands have a Nice Guy feel to their lyrics. Part of the reason I hated nu-metal (trust me, there were lots of reasons) was that those bands frequently tipped over from Nice Guy whining into full-on MRA-style “how dare that bitch $#%$#$%?”.

  28. @Stepford Knife

    I’ve never been offended by that song, YMMV but I’ve always heard it as a song about a young, naive girl who’s not a bad person but is given so few opportunities and so little respect that there doesn’t seem to be anything else to do but to try make people respect her in the only way she can think how, and ends up being a single teenage mother, who’s daughters will also be so poor and disadvantaged they repeat the cycle. I always found it to be sad rather than judgemental.

    Like I say though, YMMV.

  29. @CassandraSays

    most indie bands

    Oh, come on, it’s a broad field.

  30. Most lyrics in general lean either Nice Guy or Blatantly Sexist. Indie bands just tend towards the whiny approach to it.

    I think age might be part of it, bands who’re pretty young often lean towards the whyyyyy doesn’t she like me that’s so meeaaannnn thing because that’s just something people do a lot in their late teens and early twenties. Not that older people don’t do it too, but it’s super-common in young people.

  31. Like, imagine what would happen if Mr Al wrote a song…obviously he’d probably be sexist and unreasonable at any age, but the particular form that takes is definitely an adolescent thing.

    (And this is why so many of the trolls get really mad at me, because it’s meaannn to point thing like that out.)

  32. “Teenage Dirtbag” akways made me laugh. It’s kind of a send-up of the whle Nice Guy thing.

    Elvis Costello is great but has a slight Nice Guyish tendancy lyrically too…

    “I Want You” may be his Nice Guy magnum opus.

  33. This one is another Nice Guy classic, though I have to give props for “her CD changer’s full of guys who are mad at their dad”, which is a pretty good way to describe the genre in question.

  34. So … I don’t tend to voice this opinion around my friends much because I run in geeky New England circles, but …

    I sorta feel like JoCo’s songs about romance all have a distinctly creepy/Nice Guyish feel to them. I can’t listen to more than a couple in a row before I need to listen to something else.

  35. (and yes, I know that some are supposed to be creepy, but I’m pretty sure that ‘Code Monkey’ is supposed to be relatable rather than Nice Guyish.)

  36. I can see how the code monkey could very easily slip into blaming the secretary for denying him his dream, so yeah, I can see the potential Nice Guy strains in the song.

    It’s not helped by the fact that the code monkey only daydreams.

    I’m not exhaustively familiar with JoCo’s work. “Shop Vac” has awful implications.

  37. So, like, the obvious defense for depressing and creepy JoCo songs are that they’re supposed to be depressing and creepy in a funny/cute/twee sorta way. Like ‘Shop Vac’. And ‘Skullcrusher Mountain’. And ‘The Future Soon’. And ‘My Monkey’. And ‘Alone at Home’. And ‘Big Bad World One’. And ‘I Crush Everything’. And ‘Nobody Loves You Like Me’.

    But after, like, the fourth or fifth depressing/creepy song about relating to women really badly, you start to wonder how many of those songs you need and why his fans, all of whom come from a culture that stereotypically relates poorly to women, love those songs so much.

    I dunno. Just makes me sort of uncomfortable after a while.

  38. I was turned on to JoCo by women. I see them as commentary, but that’s me. YMMV.

  39. So… what’s your definition of “nice guy” then? I think lots of people of BOTH sexes have experienced hanging around someone hoping that zie will eventually fall in love with you, but zie just keeps falling in love with other people, and that makes you sad. And you wonder WHY zie doesn’t love you, since you can clearly see that you’re made for each other.

    Okay. The above doesn’t make you a bad person!

    You become a bad person if you start hating on your crush for not returning your love though. Or if you start hating on an entire gender because you can’t get the one you love (all women just want bad boys/all men just want bimbos) But merely being hopelessly in love, and being too insecure to actually explain how you feel, that doesn’t make you a bad person.

  40. Yeah, I’ve got a problem with Jonathan Coulton for the reasons already mentioned; Shop Vac in particular. I don’t see anything that makes those songs a sendup or a deconstruction rather than actually promoting a modus operandi of keeping yourself in shit relationships and then whining about it.

    Mandelbrot Set, however, is a wonderful song.

  41. I was turned on to JoCo by women. I see them as commentary, but that’s me. YMMV.

    That was always my take as well.

  42. Regarding Shop Vac: That’s actually my favorite song of his. I realize the implications of it not good at all, but I discovered it when I was a teeager stuck in a household with parents in an abusive, hateful marriage, the exact sort of marriage where both people involved are waiting for their kids to leave and crying in separate rooms without doing a damn thing about it. There’s something about that song (and Eminen’s “Love the Way You Lie,” now that I think of it) that really gets me, even if it doesn’t explicitly condemn or deconstruct the notion. Just knowing that my situation was not isolated, that there were other people out there with that same experience, really meant something to me, and it still does. Depressed, unhappy marriages were not discussed where I was growing up, and now that I’m an adult, they’re still taboo here. That song gave me an outlet, I guess.

  43. And the post button gets clicked before I’m done, of course. None of my reaction to it removes the problematic elements, I know that, but I think there can be merit in songs or other works of art that just present an awful situation without condemning or commenting on it, if only to let people in such a situation know that they aren’t alone.

  44. Not criticizing Pecunium or Lauralot’s opinions, just asking: What about JoCo suggests commentary to you?

  45. Well, with Skullcrusher Mountain, for example, the narrator goes on about how he’s so nice and kind and holding his temper with this girl even though he’s so powerful and way too smart for her and could do any number of horrible things to her. While the song is pointing out that he’s a super villain who wants to cause genocide and/or the apocalypse and thinks pony/monkey monsters make good gifts. I’ve always seen that as taking the “I’m such a nice guy” complaint and saying, No, no you aren’t.

  46. Urgh, today seems to be my day for inadvertently posting my thoughts before I’m done tweaking them. The moment that underscores the song as mocking the Nice Guy attitude for me is the verse where the narrator talks about how patient and gracious he’s been while implicitly threatening to kill his hostage if she’s not more civil. I can’t imagine writing that without irony.

  47. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Dvarghundspossen: it’s your second paragraph that talks about the Nice Guy (TM) rather than someone who’s actually a nice guy but who may be shy. Shakesville has a good rundown of the type. The TL:DR is that they aren’t actually nice at all. These are the blokes who whine about the horrors of being friendzoned, because they’re not remotely interested in being friends with women, they are only after sexual relationships.

  48. Jonathan Coulton I feel kinda weird about. Like, I enjoy some of his songs a lot (see, his Portal work, and Creepy Doll), but the rest I find… I dunno, a little too precious. I feel like I’m being pandered to or something. Also, his fans seem to be REALLY into him, which tends to damp my interest. (See also: Joss Whedon.)

    I’m glad I’m not the only one. Like sure, Skullcrusher Mountain was entertaining… but I’m not really WOWED by it. And I found his ‘Baby Got Back’ thing just completely dull. (But I have a bit of a thing about white guys taking rap or hip hop and doing it to acoustic guitar and it’s FUNNY! Because he’s WHITE!)

  49. Can I pretend we’re still just posting what we’re listening to? These are instrumental so no deconstruction necessary. Just pretty.

  50. I love Rodrigo y Gabriela. They seem to be having so much fun, and it’s so synergistic. I wish I would remember to buy some, instead of listening to them on YouTube and Pandora.

    katz: ShopVac bugs me, because I don’t feel as much of the irony. Code Monkey… I don’t think the narrator is the hero. He’s a passive-aggressive dude with a sense of entitlement. It comes across. What Lauralot said about Skullcrusher mountain too.

    I also cut him some slack for how the larger portion of his work came about… writing a song a week is hard. I know I can’t write songs, at all. If I were able to, and trying to keep to that level of production, I’d probably be reworking ideas/themes too.

  51. I do think with Shop Vac, Coulton realized once he was through creating it that he’d written a song about a terrible relationship without irony. The verse about the husband deciding he has no choice but to go back to the marriage he hates has a news broadcast going on in the background about a man (presumably the husband) who just went on a shooting spree, so I took that as Coulton’s way of countering the “I should really stay in this marriage that I can’t stand and just let my anger build” vibe that the song gives off. Of course, I could just be over-thinking things. It wouldn’t be the first time.

  52. @Kitten:

    Dvarghundspossen: it’s your second paragraph that talks about the Nice Guy (TM) rather than someone who’s actually a nice guy but who may be shy. Shakesville has a good rundown of the type. The TL:DR is that they aren’t actually nice at all. These are the blokes who whine about the horrors of being friendzoned, because they’re not remotely interested in being friends with women, they are only after sexual relationships.

    That’s what I thought too, but I became confused when people started talking about that so many pop songs have Nice Guy lyrics. Yeah, there are tons of songs about not getting the one you love, but I don’t think it’s really that common with lyrics about how she’s terrible for not returning your love. Someone mentioned Pulp’s Disco 2000 as an example of Nice Guy lyrics, but the “I” of that song really just pines after a girl he’s known since they were kids, he doesn’t imply that she’s a bad person or anything.

  53. OK, I haven’t actually heard Skullcrusher Mountain.

    But I’m not giving him a break for writing a song a week. Problematic stuff isn’t just going to appear in your work because you’re in a hurry unless it was there already. Taylor Ferrera and Parry Gripp both write (or wrote) close to a song a week and both manage to avoid writing about whiny dudes with relationship issues.

  54. For what it’s worth, I don’t think the problematic elements of his songs are there due to the time frame in which they were written. I think they’re deliberately placed, as commentary/critique. The only thing I would attribute to the song a week time frame would be if the commentary isn’t as clear as it tends to be, which I think was the case with Shop Vac. Generally, though, I think his songs get that point across pretty clearly (as with Skullcrusher Mountain, Not About You, etc.).


  55. You’re so hot you’re making me sexist… bitch.

  56. Oh, so what? They wrote some lyrics that called some women out on their crap. They were surrounded by groupies and gold diggers and hangers on and assorted junkies looking for a free ride because they were famous. And that was a different time; People weren’t obsessed with being politically correct. My mom was (and still is) a “womens libber” back in the day and she still loved the Stones and their lyrics and she still loves them. She attended their concerts and remembers all the shrieking girls at the Hollywood Bowl. The lyrics to Stupid Girl were funny and shocking back then and would be even more controversial now precisely because our society frowns on insulting women. There’s a guilty pleasure in enjoying it. You’ve got Mother’s Little Helper all wrong anyway. TV dinners were mocked back then by the younger generation. There was a current of thought that became the precursor to the organic food farming movement. The Rolling Stones were ridiculing the older generation that went for the conveniences of industrial processed foods and the approved pharmaceutical drugs. They were taking a stab at the perceived hypocrisy.

    Is there something misandrist about “Nowhere Man”? Or “Hit the Road Jack” or “You’re No Good” or any other song where a man is being called out for being a no good two-timer? No. It’s part of the range of human experience. Men get frustrated with or hurt by women and vice versa and this shows up in lyrics. Enjoy music for the great songwriting and lyrics and the musicianship and try seeing lyrics that seem (or are) misogynistic or man-hating as part of the spectrum of human expression.

    As far as misogyny being disguised as social commentary, I could make a long list of songs from that era that made the man the butt of the critique. The older generation they were rebelling against was usually represented by a male cop (pig) or judge or any other male authority figure.

    Maybe you would ejoy the lyrics to “Goody Two Shoes”? Miss Goody Two Shoe was a character from a series of stories and she had a lot to say about how other people should live, just like you!

  57. ohmydog, seriously, you’re necro’ing a thread from 2012 to share your oh-so-deep-and-important thoughts? Maybe try NO.

  58. And if you can’t figure out the difference between “American women are no good” and “some men are asshats” then I think you are not tall enough to participate on this blog.

  59. The lyrics to Stupid Girl were funny and shocking back then and would be even more controversial now precisely because our society frowns on insulting women.

    Or rather, because some people think that society frowns on misogyny. Because the reality is that not only does misogyny still exist, but people also express their misogyny in subtle ways through misogynistic jokes. It doesn’t matter what the intent behind the humor is, it still reproduces misogynistic ideas.

    As far as misogyny being disguised as social commentary, I could make a long list of songs from that era that made the man the butt of the critique. The older generation they were rebelling against was usually represented by a male cop (pig) or judge or any other male authority figure.

    Criticizing authority is not the same as criticizing maleness.

    Boooooooring. 0/10 would not post again

  60. Yeah, somehow managing to twist criticism of authority into misandry shows just how utterly clueless the necro-troll is about societal power dynamics. I mean, could there actually be a reason that authority figures are traditionally assumed to be men? Something akin to a patriarchal power structure, for instance?

    Hmmm… nope, must be misandry. Oh, the woes of having to rule and make decisions for those lesser people who could never handle the terrible burden of making decisions for themselves!

    /sarcasm, in case that wasn’t clear.

  61. cassandrakitty

    Question – how do the necrotrolls even find these old threads?

  62. Jemillia,
    When you feel like you should comment on a two year old thread, take time to pause and remember: DON”T.
    It stands for: DOOOOOOOOOOON’T. Ever.

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