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Are feminists conspiring to make all women as ugly as they are? Misogynistic douchebags say “yes.”

Back in the day – way, way back in the day – dudes opposed to women’s suffrage loved to depict suffragettes as ugly spinsters (that is, when they weren’t depicting them as sexy young women using their feminine wiles to manipulate men into supporting suffrage). We looked at some examples of this yesterday and noted that, when it comes to dismissing feminists as uggos, some things never change.

But why, oh why, are feminists so (allegedly) ugly? Or, to turn the question around, why are so many (allegedly) ugly women (allegedly) drawn to feminism?

Well, we’re in luck, because some manosphere dickwads have stepped forward to provide us with possible explanations.

Over on Freedom Twenty-Five, the “red pill” Casanova who calls himself Frost offers this theory:

Feminism is the set of ideologies whose aim is to redistribute the natural allocation of access to desirable men. It is Marxism in the Sexual, rather than Economic Marketplace.

Frost is so proud of this sentence of his that he puts it in bold, as I have. He continues:

The ultimate goal of the Feminist is to create a world in which all women are as hideous and awful and dead inside as they are, so that everyone can have an equal timeshare in the alpha harems, and everyone’s fatherless offspring can be raised by the same uninspired bureaucrats in the same grey-walled, concrete and plate-glass buildings.

I can confirm that this is indeed the ultimate goal of feminism; we talk about it at all the secret meetings. The penultimate goal? To get Sleater-Kinney back together again.

Frost breaks it down:

- Feminists tend to be some combination of fat, old, ugly, abrasive, and slutty.

- Feminists want to convince men that we should be attracted to fat, old, ugly, abrasive sluts.

- Feminists want to convince women that it is OK for them to be fat, old, ugly, abrasive sluts. They want desirable women to become fat, old, ugly, abrasive sluts, so that the feminists no longer look so bad in comparison.

- Related to (1) and (2), Feminists want to convince men and women that it is immoral for men to not be attracted to fat, old, ugly, abrasive sluts.

This is why Feminism is working so passionately to ruin American women. [Who benefits] from the widespread adoption of feminist beliefs that destroy our once-slim, once-feminine, once-nurturing women? The answer, first and foremost, is the women who were already destroyed to begin with.

Feminists know that, in a monogamous world where everyone pairs up with an equally desirable mate, they could only ever earn the favour of weak, bottom-feeding men. Feminist ideology, i.e. the hysteric and childish whining about Patriarchy, Shaming Language, and Socially Constructed Gender Roles, is no more than the set of rationalizations with which they seek to drag the rest of womankind down to their level.

Over on the blog of a fellow named Anatoly Karlin, meanwhile, a commenter calling himself fcomp has a similar theory to explain why so many feminists are (allegedly) fat fatties.

If you think about it, there is a strong rationale [sic] self interest between feminism and the increase of female obesity. If feminism is to be defined as increasing the societal power of women, then it would serve them well for their to be more obese women.

Go on.

The desirability of a women to a man is far more objective then subjective. If women were to be, across the board, more attractive, if all women became, at minimum, 6s, men who ended up marrying 6s, the men who would be the lowest in male desirability in such a society, wouldn’t nearly be as unhappy as men who end up marrying 1s in our society.

I’m not quite sure that fcomp really understands how averages work. Lake Wobegon aside, you can’t actually have a world in which all women are above average in “objective” desirability.

The logical result of that, is that in such a beautiful society, ironically, the value of female beauty would become far less valuable, and beauty would be far less desired. If there isn’t a chance that one might end up with a landwhale, I suspect that most men would hardly bother with stuff like game and the like. I would imagine that such a society would experience little sexual discrimination, but at the same time, be very anti-female, in the sense that women who are competitive with men in economically productive fields would be quite successful, but at the same time, “feminine virtues”, a females capacity attracting men, the only area in which women surpass men, would be far less valued.

If all women are beautiful, then no women are beautiful?

There is a upper cap on female attractiveness, which are the feminine ideals hardwired into us by evolution, but there is no downward cap. …  [F]eminism is intrinsically a downward trend because the only thing a beautiful women can do to that makes herself more desired in a society, is to reduce the amount of beauty in that society.

The blogger on whose blog this muddled comment was posted, Anatoly Karlin, is so impressed with fcomp’s theory that he highlights it in a post of his own, adding

This is why your typical Third Wave feminist or rape activist is fat, has a manjaw, or is otherwise unattractive.

If you are ugly, devaluing beauty is not bad evolutionary strategy.

On a blog called Misanthropy Today, meanwhile, Dan Y. is not only convinced that (most) feminists are ugly; he also seems bitter that anyone would dare criticize him for calling women ugly.

[M]ost women who try to guilt us out of using looks as a criterion for judgment tend to not be very attractive. It makes sense that someone lacking in a certain perceived quality would want to dissuade others from assigning value to that quality, and would want those who possessed that quality to be humble and not flaunt it. It also seems extremely self-centered and petty to try to convince others to think and feel a certain way just so we can marginalize our lesser qualities. …

Feminists’ cries of outrage at man’s obsession with physical beauty are not altruistic. They are … upset that other women are benefitting from a quality that they don’t and probably never will possess. Their own perceived value relative to better-looking women will inevitably increase if looks are dismissed as unimportant.

Apparently, suggesting there’s more to a person than conventional attractiveness = shallow and petty. But basing your judgment of a particular women largely on whether or not she gives you a boner is the height of sophistication.

As these guys show again and again, real ugliness is more than skin deep.


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Posted on November 4, 2012, in antifeminism, are these guys 12 years old?, disgusting women, evil fat fatties, evil women, evo psych fairy tales, hate, it's science!, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, oppressed men, PUA, reactionary bullshit, ugly feminists and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 162 Comments.

  1. CassandraSays

    Also, didn’t we have a dumbass named Chloe show up recently? I hope this isn’t The Stupid: Part 2.

  2. did chloe have extra-ridiculous shtick or just regular trollery?

  3. Chloe is RavenLaight, and has been banned: She has been harassing me on my blog. The veneer of civility is long gone.

  4. Oh ho, time to drop David a line, then.

  5. CassandraSays

    Poor pecunium. Why do they always follow you home? At least when that happens with stray cats it’s cute.

  6. Why can’t they stay away?

    Chloe: if you’re going to be dumb enough to come back here, thread necro is not the way to roll. You’re so smart? HA.

  7. oh, yeah … Ugh X|

    Sorry she’s being so awful towards you. :|

  8. This may be a different Chloe — different IP, ostensibly from different part of the world, FWIW — but her opening salvo was trollish enough that I think I’ll just go ahead and ban her regardless.

  9. Proactive banning, I like it!

  10. CassandraSays

    Is there any way we could get rid of Eurosabra while you’re in a banning frame of mind?

  11. Seconded!

    Brz, too.

  12. ESPECIALLY ThefirstJoe. God, that guy is annoying.

  13. I don’t know why I get the follow me brigade. Raven/Laight/Chloe (and the language is the same) are more obnoxious (and persistent) than the others who have decided I must “be shown the error of my ways”.

    I have to assume it means I struck a nerve. They don’t know where I live, so it’s not that bad. Not as bothersome as the pro-terror fucks who stalk me.

  14. Shove off, necro troll. You’ve nothing original, let alone intelligent, to say.

  15. You are the most glorious necro troll ever.

    Without us, they would have dried up, cobweb covered prunes for vaginas.

    You do know that (a) lesbians exist, and that (b) vaginas don’t dry up and attract spiders if they’re not regularly done sex to by a penis, right?

    And no one here actually cares about that little update from your boner, anyway.

  16. emilygoddess - MOD

    Aw, it got removed :-(

  17. Poor little boner note, not getting to stick around and notify us all about itself. I’m shedding a single tear for the poor, sweet misandry of this moment.

    Not really.

    I’m actually laughing.

  18. I know I’m late to the party, but:

    Without us, they would have dried up, cobweb covered prunes for vaginas.

    Who’s that “us” you’re talking about, pale-face? Your ilk is not all men, and you don’t speak for me.

  19. thebewilderness

    Some doodz get all their information from cartoons. Then when they send us notes from their bone they make complete fools of themselves.

  20. The term “coochie cobwebs” actually does crack me up. I didn’t think anyone was stupid enough to take it literally though.

  21. Without us, they would have dried up, cobweb covered prunes for vaginas.

    O RLY? That’s funny, because I’m without you, and my ladybits are all as pink, pretty, and perky as ever. Jealous?

  22. emilygoddess - MOD

    I have a man, but (TMI ALERT) we rarely have sex. How often do I have to bone him to keep my vagina supple and moist?

    Also, I’m somewhere between child’meh’ and childfree, so I’m clearly doing womb-worship wrong.

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