Manosphere Civil War: AVFM fires back at the MGTOW rebels. Also, kitty pics.
Dude against dude. Not sure why the dogs are floating in midair.
Manosphere drama is always a bit surreal. You may recall my post the other day about the feud developing between two sites that are regular sources of material for us here at Man Boobz: MGTOWforums and A Voice for Men. As you may recall, the folks at MGTOWforums were working themselves into a lather because AVFM was committing the cardinal sin of allowing women – sorry, “cunts” – to post articles and comments. The horror!
Now AVFM has fired back. In a thread on AVFM’s relatively new forum, head cheese Paul Elam lashes out at the “MGTOW Forum Fuckwits,” declaring them a bunch of shit-stirring “piss ants” and announcing his plans to turn the AVFM forum into MGTOW central.
I see an opportunity here, This forum is very user friendly to MGTOW’s. MGTOW Forums is the largest one of its kind, but it is run by children. I will happily siphon off as many of the men they ban and shame for not measuring up to their cliquish little band of alpha wannabe’s as I can.
God knows [MGTOWforums admin] Nacho and his bootlickers run them off as quick as they come in.
AVfM is already a more traveled site than their forum, and as time passes the MGTOW presence here will eclipse their little circle jerk.
Speaking of circle jerks, here’s Paul, in an unrelated thread on his forum, banning a dude for having the temerity to suggest that “Reddit, not avoiceformen.com, is the most important online resource for Men’s Rights Activism.”
BANNED! Nothing must challenge the supremacy of PAUL ELAM!
Naturally, I found out about this by reading about it on MGTOWforums, where A Voice for Men is now being dismissed as — I kid you not — “A Vagina For Manginas.”
Still, the strangest development in this civil war is this: some MGTOWers who’ve been banned from AVFM’s forum have set up an alternative forum of their own, which they’ve rather confusingly named “AVFMforums.” Yes, that’s right, it’s a battle between the AVFM forums and … AVFMforums. How can you tell them apart? Well, when the latter group uses the acronym AVFM they mean “Alternate Voice for Men” rather than the original “A Voice for Men.” Also, the dudes at AVFMforums think that AVFM’s Elam is “a lying hippocrite [sic] with no credibility.”
If this is all a bit confusing, perhaps this brief video clip will help elucidate some of the issues here:
Also, for no particular reason, here are two new pictures of Sweetie Pie Jonus, one of my kittens:
Actually, the combatants in this latest mansophere civil war could learn a thing or two from my kittens. They fight, but always seem to end up licking each other’s heads. The kittens, that is. I’d love to see Paul Elam and his critics doing the same.
Posted on October 29, 2012, in a voice for men, antifeminism, are these guys 12 years old?, drama, drama kings, grandiosity, hypocrisy, internal debate, irony alert, kitties, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, narcissism, no girls allowed, paul elam and tagged a voice for men, antifeminism, drama, hypocrisy, men's rights, mgtow, misogyny. Bookmark the permalink. 373 Comments.
Would that make this the Battle of “Man Tedium”? *rimshot*
Hey, do I smell popcorn?
@chibigodzilla: Antietam?
@Falconer: Yeah, it was pun of sorts, they’re men, they’re tedious. “Man Tedium” sounds similar to Antietam.
OMG, are these comments from Mr. Schtick?
@chibigodzilla: I figured that’s what you meant, I just wasn’t certain, probably because I can be unbelievably dense, especially if I’ve checked out for five minutes.
I’ve never had any idea how to pronounce Antietam. :D
I wanna know if one of these clowns has shares in a popcorn company. Their stocks will be soaring. I smell a conspiracy. (And popcorn.)
Mr Sweetie Pie Jonus is gettng so big! He doesn’t look like a kitten, he looks all grown up. ::melts into puddle of awwwwwwwwwwww::
@cloudiah: oh my god David really is a big ol’ bete noir for some of these guys, isn’t he?
Also, if that is Schticky, he may want to consider seeking professional help. I’m not sure that kind of obsession is healthy.
He brings to mind a case I worked on in which the father was suing the mother for full custody. The father kept asserting that the mother was bad for the children, but in deposition, he couldn’t remember why she was bad. He kept saying “I can’t remember,” or “I don’t know.” No lie!
the only problem I have is in explaining WHY Schticky brings this case to my mind. Probably it has to do with how certain he is that David is awful, and how citation-free his J’accuse! moments are
@Cloudiah: I think it’s pronounced an-tee-sham, although why a straight-up T with no I after it gets the SH treatment I have not the first clue.
I think the actual T with the actual I after it in the word gets a hard T pronunciation is because there’s an N in front of it.
I couldn’t bring myself to read all of schticky’s comment (assuming it’s him, which seems likely). But I like that Elam pops up to explain how he gave up the word “mangina” a long time ago. Uh, dude:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/?s=mangina
OK Jimmy Wales’s Magnificent Octopus says both Ts are hard. I don’t know where I got the SH from, then.
I mispronounce everything — it’s my superpower. Also, I demand equal time for Pantz! Where’s Pantz?!??!?!
Schticky with his predator bell curve is priceless!
Well, ovee here they have a recording of someone saying Antietam. Which is how I’ve always heard it pronounced.
Sweetie Pie is growing like crazy. She’s probably 7-8 pounds already.
You can listen to it here, but it does depend to a certain degree, on where you live whether the accent is on the first or second syllable. http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?gganti03.wav=Antietam+Creek
Cloudiah: Holy shit… that thread. No wonder Al left FTB; you just don’t get that sort of worship there.
Now, I wonder just how fast that would change if he calls bullshit on any of the commenters.
All the good hippocrite graphics are fat-shaming, except for the one about republicans.
I love your kitties :)
I’m picturing Kent Brockman here: “There’s been a battle in Ateenum…Atiente… Anthum… Gettysburg!
Sir Bodsworth – but is it hard G or soft G? That’s one I never know! :D
David – sorry, I thought from “Jonus” she was a he! She is getting big. That’s only about three pounds off general adult kitty weight, isn’t it? (Assuming 11 pounds/5 kilos is seen as average.)
I have an adult kitty who is only seven pounds (and another who is fourteen pounds and scared of the seven-pound cat–seriously, all she has to do is stare at him and he runs away). So Sweetie Pie might be fully grown already.
Awesome comment thread.
I can’t stop thinking about about ‘Ken Burns Manosphere Civil War’
It would involve slow pans across black and white photos of the empty venues where cancelled MRA events were once planned, while Sam Waterson, Garrison Keilor and Morgan Freeman read Manosphere posts in deep, sombre voices.
Unpaid Help, both ‘g’s in Gettysburg are hard, as in go.
Now I want nachos for dinner. Damn you David!
@chibigodzilla: AAAAAAAAAA it’s GLaDOS and British GLaDOS!!
@Sir Bodsworth: Thanks for making me feel young! Didn’t Ken Burns Civil War premiere on PBS just last summer? On a related note, ST:TNG was just cancelled T__T
@princessbonbon: Veggie spaghetti here. Mmmmm! It’s a quickie recipe, lacking in exciting and sexy vegetables like eggplant or artichoke, though.
@ Falconer – Don’t worry about TNG being cancelled. There’s this new show coming out called the X-Files, and I predict great things from it.
@Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
“I’m picturing Kent Brockman here: “There’s been a battle in Ateenum…Atiente… Anthum… Gettysburg!”
That’d be Antietam. Around 23,000 casualties that day. Around 650,000 casualties for the entire civil war in a nation of around 28 million white people. Half of which were men. Which means almost 5% of the men were killed or wounded. White Christian men paid a heavy price to erase the stain of slavery.
For much of history in Africa and the Middle East the white slave trade was big business. The fact is, no matter where you go, for most of history slavery was everywhere. And oh yes, even the ladies had their slaves as well.
In the history of the world the only people to ever wage a war to free an enslaved race that wasn’t themselves has been white Christian men. The toll was staggering. Brother killed brother. Kinda makes you proud. Doesn’t it? I wonder what the world would be like if white Christian men hadn’t made such a sacrifice? For all we know slavery might simply be a part of everyday life the world over. I guess we should be grateful. Ridiculing the very people that pretty much ended the worlds casual attitude towards slavery would be stupid.
I am stuck at a hotel tonight because they are repaving the drives at my condo complex so no way of cooking food.
Nachos it is and the truth is out there.
Delicious.
But can anyone explain Mr Elam’s forum signature to me? It’s this:
“Zeta masculinity is the radical notion that women are adults.
Fortunately, Zeta femininity has the same notion.”
And I haven’t a clue what that’s supposed to mean.
@Falconer, why is Wikipedia an Octopus? Does “magnificent octopus” = “magnum opus”?
OMG Ken Burns doing a series on this! Mindboggling.
Prohibition just finished here this week – another great series of his. But the Civil War … I still think that’s one of the best pieces of television I’ve ever seen.
“A Vagina for Mangina” – we’ll, it’s nice to see they’ve learnt simple rhetorical techniques.
Also: kittykittykittykittykitty! *squee*
That “vagina for mangina” thing is so laughable – they are such utter women-hating losers that they get wound up calling each other manginas, and screaming about the one part of our anatomy they hate and want access to … gods, can’t we just shove them all into an arena and let them fight it out gladiator-style?
Keeping them in gladiator quarters underground would have its advantages, too – removing shitstains like this from society could only be a good thing. :P
Wait, wait, wait.
So is this evidence of Owly’s Theory of Evolution? I mean, look at the dogs! Clearly superific, what with all the hovering.
Can’t be … there was no evolution before Darwin and those are seventeenth-century
superdogs!It was on the first of July that the MGTOWs concluded that “going their own way” would lead right through an obscure internet forum called “GettysburgReenactors.org.” The few local residents were chased away when discussion threads about period-specific costume design and park clean-up were forcibly re-purposed as spaces to complain about the injustices of scented candles and “ladies only” nights. The invading army quickly dug in that night, as their scouts had reported a disturbing piece of news: Battle would soon be upon them.
It was one of the great strategic coincidences of the war – Elam’s Army of the Brotomac was in fact only a few miles away, and their cavalry had made initial contact that morning. Almost immediately, fierce fighting occurred between two skirmishing divisions over the merits of the “neg” and the futility of hitting on American women. Hundreds of feelings were wounded on both sides, but this initial phase accomplished little. The real fighting would begin on the following day, and set the stage for the greatest and most decisive single battle in the entire war…
(sad violin music as camera pans over pictures of smashed keyboards)
Zeta masculinity, WTF?
The infighting between MRAs is so cute, but not as cute as Sweetie Pie Jonas. I always picture the MRA fights as kittens hissing; it’s cuter that way and has about as much real world impact.
Let me give it a shot.
Those who rigidly conform to the comic book stereotypes of my youth are the only real true Zetas.
“Army of the Brotomac.” That is excellent.
It’s one part “Alpha males and Beta males? WELL HOW ABOUT ZETA MALES!!!” (I think we’re supposed to think Zeta=Z and hence it is the lowest possible social status, but Zeta is only the sixth letter of the Greek alphabet)
and one part super-crummy attempt by MRAs to rip off the line “feminism is the radical notion that women are people.” Not content to wear the anti-feminist nature of the MRM on his sleeve, Elam decided to combine them both in a super-obscure exercise in pointless meme-masturbation for his MRM pals.
“Army of the Brotomac” – brilliant.
Now there’s got to be a way to incorporate Lincoln’s “if you’re not using the army could I borrow it for a while” letter.
I do love the adolescent-style meme ratcheting the MRM likes to engage in. Red Pill isn’t cutting it anymore? Try the BLACK PILL! Have you decided that “Beta male” isn’t adequate to describe the sheer weight of the feminist boot on your neck pushing you into the mud? Try “Zeta Male” on for size!
What’s next? NNNNAWALT as a rejoinder to NAWALT? Will the term Hypergamy prove insufficient to describe the penis-lust of cock-carousel riding she-devils—forcing the wordsmiths of the MRM to coin Ludicrousgamy?
Mark my words: it’s only a matter of time before the MRM goes plaid.
I get the “feminism is the radical notion…” ripoff. Still not sure what Zeta femininity is supposed to be.
Who are the Zeta feminists? Is it Girlwriteswhat?
oh look they’re eating each other, how cute
Oh, they did some script flipping!
First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then you turn on eachother
Then you’re a meaningless footnote on Wikipedia
However will my ladybrain deal with this unexpected turn of events?
It’s like zombies! Except zombies are legitimately adorable.
Apparently, it’s defined here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoiceformen/2012/06/29/meet-the-zeta-female
This is one of the people promising to finally deliver the “real” empowerment feminism has purportedly failed to deliver:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/how-a-limp-dick-can-save-the-world/
Choice quote:
FINALLY, OUR SAVIORS HAVE ARRIVED
Does anyone besides me think there is a Vernor Vinge reference in that Spaceballs film?
Suddenly inclined to start a punk band…
“Human male potency”??? Does this crouton reduce everything about men to the ability to get an erection or their fertility?
Not to mention the charming description of women as livestock. I wonder if these slimeballs would like to explain why they’re so keen on bestiality? I mean, if we’re not actually human … and despite what they claim, one cannot actually make a being/creature change its species by shoving one’s Mighty Dick into it.
There’s already a punk band called the Piss Ants. Never heard of them, never heard their music, but I figured there HAD to be a punk band called the Piss Ants, as there’s a rather famous one called the Ass Forts and another called the Bathtub Shitters.
Punk bands take all the good names.
Criminy! I should have realized it would be all about the male potency creator godhead thingummy.
TyphonBlue and her hilarious babble about how learning how to make penises happy is what makes women human again?
God, the MRM is one giant Note From a Boner.
I know I shouldn’t engage, but…NWO, I have to ask: is your central point (that white Christians are better than anybody else because they’r ethe only ones who’ve ever fought to free a slave race that wasn’t them) at all diminished by the fact that the slave owners they were fighting were also white Christians?
Seraph, I think God’s Divine Plan was to have WhiteChristians create the single largest and most brutal system of slavery seen up to that point in history so that WhiteChristians could prove to the world how good they are by destroying it. The answer to your question being: lalalalalalalalalalalalala I can’t hear you lalalalalalalalalalala
@hellkell
It’s like the Magna Carta From Their Boner, if the Magna Carta said “Bardus meretricum Consuesse adorare mea gallus, cur non ego habetur deus enim habens irrumabo!”* over and over and over again…
*Google Translate Latin
NWO, one semi-decent act by white men does not erase years upon years of asshole behavior. And don’t go thinking he mighty white man of your wet dreams ended slavery out of the goodness of their hearts.
Lines Composed A Few Miles Above Tintern Abbey (On The Subject Of My Tumescence)
This latest MRM kerfluffle could be called A Tale of Two Boners
Can someone summarise the zeta femininity podcast? I don’t have high speed Internet at home. I heard the beginning, I always hate how I can never know if I have achieved anything or whether everything was handed to me on a plate. I’m so lucky to be where I am and often feel I don’t deserve it. Hearing things like that make me feel bad and like I’m taking up a place that someone else deserves.
A Tale of Two
BonersLosersFTFY ;)
Anything NWOslave has said about slavery is tainted by a previous comment some months ago about his desire of owning females as slaves. I believe he wanted two of them, but I’m not about to go back and search his filth for it.
But more importantly, slavery might have been the fourth grade test answer to why the Civil war was fought. Those precious white Christian men died over states rights, and in fact the civil war didn’t end slavery as slave owning northern states were still allowed to own slaves after the war.
So, yeah. Slavery is bad, unless it involves women, then it’s okay and should be allowed.
Everything NWO says is tainted. He hates everyone except his own brand of white, straight, reactionary, fundamentalist Christian men. He either lies or fantasises (I don’t know and don’t really care whether he sincerely believes his own drivel) about everything from politics to religion to history to statistics. In fact tainted isn’t so much the word as toxic.
I recently came across one band who called themselves The Tampoffs.
NWO doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with slavery. He has not only shared his fantasy of having female slaves, he’s stated outright that women should be slaves to men. NWO just doesn’t think that he should be a slave.
And of course he’s too stupid to realize that white, christian men were fighting other white christian men during the Civil War. He’s too stupid to realize that black christian men fought in the Civil War too.
Basically, NWO is too stupid.
I gigglesnorted at “The Tampoffs.”