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Reddit’s Jailbait king Violentacrez goes on CNN, digs his own hole deeper

So Michael Brutsch – recently outed as notorious Reddit creep Violentacrez – appeared on CNN last night to discuss the fallout from his outing. It was not a wise choice on his part. He hasn’t been making a lot of wise choices lately.

Brutsch spent much of the cringe-worthy interview in self-pity mode, talking about the horrible consequences he and his family had suffered as a result of his behavior, the most notable being the loss of his job. He seemed only barely aware that others might have suffered from his actions over the years running subreddits devoted to the exploitation of underage girls. Like, for example, the girls themselves.

Reddit literally gave Brutsch one of these.

He offered this not-quite apology for his actions:

I am to some degree apologizing for what I did. I was playing to an audience of college kids. Two years ago when all of this was at its height, the audience was appreciative and supportive of the sort of gallows humor that I put out there. 

He also blames Reddit and the Reddit community for, essentially, not putting an end to his career as “Reddit pimp” sooner.

Oh, and he brought along the GOLD PLATED REDDIT ALIEN BOBBLEHEAD the Reddit admins once sent him for the fine work he did curating r/jailbait.

I don’t think that CNN did a great job presenting the issues around Violentacrez’ less-than-brilliant career, or really getting across what a thoroughly repulsive person he was, but the interview is worth watching in any case, if only to see Brutsch’s futile attempts to sort-of-apologize for, but also to minimize and deny what he did as Violentacrez and shift the blame on to others.

Here’s the CNN story on him.

Here’s the interview itself:

Here’s a giant Reddit thread on the interview. Brutsch makes occasional appearances, posting as mbrutsch. Generally speaking, the more he posts, the less sympathy he gets from the crowd.

Here’s a thread in the For Hire subreddit, in which Brutsch puts himself forward as a Senior Perl Programmer with “5 years experience building and maintaining adult communities,” looking for work in the online porn biz. (So, yes, he is on the one hand sort-of apologizing for r/jailbait and the rest, while also touting his experience with r/jailbait as something an Adult Content business might for some reason want in a programmer.) One commenter informs him that “adult content companies don’t want anything to do with people associated with underage materials. I know because I work in the business end of the industry and have for 6 years.”

Here’s a thread on the interview in ShitRedditSays

Here’s Gawker’s Adrien Chen on the interview.

Here’s a smart piece in the New Yorker that ties together the stories of Amanda Todd and Brutsch.

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Posted on October 19, 2012, in creep-shaming, douchebaggery, misogyny, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, playing the victim, reddit and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 83 Comments.

  1. This is all I could see when I first opened up this article.

  2. Gah, image fail.

  3. It’s interesting, because I’ve been following this on Gawker and there aren’t nearly as many apologists in the comments as I figured there would be. Even if we were to frame this as a freedom of speech issue, freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences of that speech. Mr. Brutsch has not been silenced — in fact, he continues to regularly post on Reddit, and he has now appeared on national television.

    And making the connection between what Brutsch has spent years doing and the Amanda Todd case is very important. All of those girls in the photos he has shared are real people. Redditors who defend Mr. Brutsch want it both ways — they think 12-16 year old girls should have to face the consequences of having their photos taken, but that Mr. Brutsch should not have to face the consequences of passing those photos around.

  4. Where the link to the New Yorker should be, there’s actually just another link to the Gawker article.

  5. Who could have foreseen that posting sexualized images of underage girls would have negative consequences? That poor, poor man.

    /sarcasm

  6. Also, I think it’s especially hilarious that those in the legitimate adult content industry want nothing to do with him. Sounds like they want to stay as far away from that shit as possible.

  7. I’m still amazed that people can actually go on the internet and state that this guy hasn’t done anything wrong, not just morally but legally, without imploding from the wrongness.

  8. I like how he blames Reddit for letting him get away with it. Because yeah, when you break the rules, it’s totally other people’s fault for not shutting you down fast enough, rather than your own fault for CHOOSING TO DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Not that Reddit isn’t a skeevy place, it’s just such a warped line of reasoning.

  9. @MKlein,

    Yeah, isn’t that always the case with predators? It’s everyone’s fault but theirs.

  10. Happens every day in court MKlein. “It is not my fault I violated the order of protection, I told her to get one because I refused to leave her alone after she asked me unless she had one. Then when she did, I called her to say ‘really?'”

    Actual quote by the way.

  11. Ugh, if I wanted to really upset lots of people I think I could do it fairly easily. It is not a talent. Saying horrible things to upset people is not a talent, it is something to be ashamed of.

  12. That last link (New Yorker) goes to the same Gawker piece.

  13. There was an interesting conversation, where a guy defending r/jailbait was convinced it wasn’t harmless.

    Sometimes my faith in humanity is rewarded.

  14. mklein: Brutsch’s defense is that he didn’t break any rules, (legally, or on reddit) and so they encouraged him to this, in some way.

    What I see is them exploiting his predilictions (be it for trolling, or pictures of young women, or whatever it was that moved him… and I suspect it was many things) and he enjoyed the notoriety.

    That he violated norms of society, and encouraged others to do harm to people, well that’s what he’s being ostracised for, and I can’t say it doesn’t seem warranted.

  15. What sticks out to me is Brutsch’s nearly complete erasure of the people in the images he posted. He describes what he did as ‘putting images into folders’ (images that were somehow streaming at him anyway, which is a little… disturbing, I guess.) for the purpose of riling people up.
    It’s like the content of those pictures is mostly incidental; secondary to his acquisition of internet points.

    He needs to go learn some empathy.

  16. Hi Suzy D! Always good to see you Bringing nothing to the table as usual!

  17. Brutsch is stunningly incoherent. I know there’s no good way to go on CNN and defend the things he did, but you’d think he would at least plan beforehand and try to say things that make him sound less like a creepy fuck. It can’t even be blamed on the editing.

  18. Oh, we’re just posting bullshit links that have nothing to do with this post now? Cool. Here’s Romney’s surrogate saying that contraception is a “peripheral issue:”

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/17/1035181/romney-surrogate-calls-contraception-a-peripheral-issue/

  19. Here’s Joe Walsh saying that there are “zero” incidents of women dying due to pregnancy:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/19/rep-joe-walsh-no-abortion-exceptions-because-pregnant-women-dont-die/

  20. Here’s a state representative who said, “Some girls rape easy,” when discussing a case in which a 17 year old high school senior raped a 14 year old girl in his school’s band room:

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html

  21. Wow… I hadn’t seen the context on, “rape easy”.

    That’s fucked up.

  22. Holy fuck, he was referring to an actual case? Christ, I had no idea. That’s awful.

  23. (unrelated: every time I scroll past this post I see Brutsch’s sad walrus face and giggle because sad walrus.)

  24. Heh. Dig up stupid!

  25. I was reading through some of the comments on the CNN piece and one comment reckoned that Brutsch’s son now won’t be able to get into the marines because of this. Seriously? So if you’re an intelligent person, with a well-rounded personality, and physically fit, the US military won’t enlist you because you have one older, awful – possibly criminal – relative?

  26. Holy fuck, he was referring to an actual case? Christ, I had no idea. That’s awful.

    Yup. My biggest frustration with how this story has been reported is that they are not putting the details of the specific case out there, leaving people free to presume this was an instance of a “Romeo and Juliet” relationship between a 17 year old and his 16 year old girlfriend. Nope. No relationship, not a 16 year old girl, not even a statutory rape. The girl said NO from the outset.

  27. Well blitzgal, y’know, it’s her word against his and he’s such a nice boy and she probably likes it rough and I saw her wearing a skirt and and and.

    *wanders off to find a bucket*

  28. Pity poor Michael Brutsch. The true crime here, is that of an internet message board where no one would be outraged by normal schoolboy shenanigans, forcing him to do terrible things in order to get the response he so craved! I must cry misandry on this, because we all know that if the facts concerning his conception had been a just little bit different, all Brutsch would have had to do to get his daily dose of incoherent outrage would have been to post to Reddit while openly female.

  29. Well blitzgal, y’know, it’s her word against his and he’s such a nice boy and she probably likes it rough and I saw her wearing a skirt and and and.

    Oh yeah, that’s pretty much the caliber of the comments that you see on local reporting of this story. There was also a gang rape of a college student on her way home from the bars last weekend, so you can guess what everyone had to say about that. Roundly condemning the three men who forced themselves on a total stranger on the street, right? Nope. She’s an idiot for being alone at night. I asked them what time of day is it legal to rape me, so I can keep track for future reference — is it a specific time, or any time it’s dark? Because that will seriously limit my ability to work during the winter months. I got no answers, surprising.

  30. Blitzgal, oh, I know. I don’t watch the news ’round these parts for a reason.

    Even the feminist group where I am decided that the best way to spend our time was to advise women not to walk alone at night aka 4:30 pm. I did not spontaneously combust at that meeting, but I am glad that there’s an outlet of sanity on the intertubes otherwise my live in employer would get an earful.

  31. I’m glad CNN did this story. Creeps like this guy need to be shamed in public.

  32. Racist ignoramuses who think the poors should die in the streets and women are hypergamus could use some shaming too, Ruby.

  33. I’m glad CNN did this story. Creeps like this guy need to be shamed in public.

    Creeps like this guy need to be shamed

    Creeps… need to be shamed

    Creeps… shamed

    Creep… shame…

    Creep

    shame

    You’re getting obvious, Ruby.

  34. HOLY SHIT ALL THE BLOCKQUOTES WORKED

  35. At what time is it legal to rape a woman? Any time past dinner hour, clearly we shouldn’t be out when we ought to be standing at our husbands elbows to serve him his dinner and cut his meat into bite size pieces.

  36. “Some girls rape easy”. Yeah, fancy us girls showing up to school!

  37. You’re getting obvious, Ruby.

    I’ve been thinking about that for a while, but every time I try to say something I feel like I’m just being paranoid.

  38. @Nepenthe

    advise women not to walk alone at night aka 4:30 pm

    WTF? I finish my work day at exactly 4:30 pm, which then requires a 10-30 minute walk home (depending if I catch the bus or not). And truth be told, it’s much darker in the morning, and that takes a 15-30 minute walk (usually 30 minutes because I almost always miss the bus while stopping at Timmies). Unless I were to take a taxi every morning and evening, not walking alone in the dark is kind of impossible.

    I would have flipped had I been a member in that group, not only because they said such a ridiculous thing, but because they did so as feminists.

  39. lowquacks and whataboutthemoonz,

    Now I have to look at Ruby’s other posts…

  40. I am personally made uncomfortable with the way Ruby’s reputation precedes her. I know that she has problematic behavior, but I guess I’d prefer to call it out as she exhibits it.

  41. Holy shit. I saw this interview live, but it was while I was at work and I was cleaning tables in the break room, so I wasn’t really paying that much attention. Didn’t notice just how much he dug his own hole.

  42. lowquacks and whataboutthemoonz,

    Now I have to look at Ruby’s other posts…

    To me, they just read as “Hey ladies! We’re talking about X, Y, Z, whatever, but we FEMINIST LADIES all really know *wink wink nudge nudge* that these are all code words for the baby flavored donuts we’re eating at our Super Secret Misandry World Domination(tm) meetings, right? Right? Laaadiiiiieeeeees???”

    I am personally made uncomfortable with the way Ruby’s reputation precedes her. I know that she has problematic behavior, but I guess I’d prefer to call it out as she exhibits it.

    It made me uncomfortable for a while, but she says something terrible in a conversation, gets told why her worldview is terrible, and then she’ll show up at the next thread and make a single post that either says something someone else said in slightly different words or is completely unrelated to anything, and then she just disappears until the next thread starts. Like there’s no effort to make a conversation, and every post-offensive-crap comment she leaves makes it seem like she thinks she never said the offensive crap.

    I don’t like holding her in bad faith, but suspicion is winning out with me.

  43. Spork the blockquotes, seriously.

  44. This particular instance wasn’t so much “we’re holding her in bad faith” so much as “MRA lets an MRA shibboleth loose pretty obviously”, though.

    As far as I can tell, Ruby’s MO is saying something vaguely relevant each thread and then complaining about how much those feminists eat their own or w/e.

  45. “Us feminists secretly like to creep shame, eh, eh? *nudge wink wink nudge*”

    Although for the record, I do totally think creeps like this guy need to be shamed in public. And lose their jobs. And make asses of themselves on CNN. And step on legos for the rest of their life.

  46. And make asses of themselves on CNN. And step on legos for the rest of their life.

    See, that’s the sort of detail that makes me think you’re the real deal. RubyHypatia, take note.
    <3 and all the internet hugs you want forever, lowquacks.

  47. That was a byline thing, should’ve added a line break

    …I’ve never fucked up a blockquote, guess this is my penance.

  48. I thought telling everyone my vagina sunk Atlantis made me the real deal :(

  49. @whataboutthemoonz

    <3.

  50. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    You’re getting obvious, Ruby.

    I’ve been thinking about that for a while, but every time I try to say something I feel like I’m just being paranoid.

    Every time I want to make a brief comment, the thought “say that and you’ll sound like Ruby Obvious” makes me hesitate …

    … and I bet these blockquotes will come out looking like a dog’s dinner.

  51. I don’t mind calling Ruby out on the horrible things she’s said in each and every thread. MRAs already love crowing about how all feminists are evil based on one thing an asshole who happens to be a feminist – like Ruby – said. Her views are fucked up and she shouldn’t be allowed to fly under the radar with her drive by posting style.

  52. Since we’re talking about holding feminists accountable for one asshole, is Valerie Solanas actually a feminist? Every time I ask someone about her feminist work, people just point to the SCUM Manifesto, but it doesn’t seem like she’s done anything outside of that.

  53. inurashii: I thought that, and then she made some comments and I went all “Wait whoa whoa holy fuck that is not an acceptable thing to say” and she continued pulling the whole ‘pretend that discussion never happened’ routine, which I dislike.

    (The comments in question were the “prison rape is karmic justice” stuff.)

  54. @whataboutthemoonz

    Solanas never really wrote anything other than SCUM, which was a work of satire. So I’m not going to say she wasn’t a feminist, because I really don’t know, but she certainly wasn’t an influence on feminist theory.

  55. So you interpret people’s statements in the context of their prior statements. That might indicate you have a belief that people might have consistent personality(ies). What is the advantage of this instead of just going context-free?
    JAQ..

  56. If I touch something that’s just come out of a hot oven and it burns me, why should I think anything different would happen if I do it again?

    Fucking learning from experience, how does it work?

    And of course people have consistent personalities you twit, my partner and I don’t wake up every morning and have to reintroduce ourselves to each other and see if we like each other again. If a person’s actively resisted accepting reason and evidence that contradicts their opinion, why would we assume they’ve changed that opinion?

  57. “If I touch something that’s just come out of a hot oven and it burns me, why should I think anything different would happen if I do it again?” Can you be sure? Why not repeat a mistake?

    “And of course people have consistent personalities you twit, my partner and I don’t wake up every morning and have to reintroduce ourselves to each other and see if we like each other again” So there is the consistent personality approach to the human mind. Have you considered a more stochastic model, with less dependence on prior states and time continuity, working towards a model where it’s not meaningful to say that personalities exists and to say “to have changed your mind” is meaningless, because it presupposes that they had a mind to begin with.?

    JAQ.-

  58. Talacaris, trolls always hope we go context-free, but no such luck.

    P.S.–stop trying to dress up your questions in unnecessary verbosity. It’s not making you look smarter.

  59. OK, someone just wants to JAQ off all over the thread. IGNORE.

  60. because it presupposes that they had a mind to begin with

    Sure, I’m willing to consider the idea that talacris and our other regular trolls don’t have minds. Not good minds, anyway.

  61. ” I’m willing to consider the idea that talacris and our other regular trolls don’t have minds”
    You are beginning to get it.!!!11! If you see the statements as random output from a sentence creating machine with no or very little memory so there is very little dependence on prior states. Also the input information processing might be limited.

    Short form: Like a spambot.

  62. Funnily enough, after Talacris barfed his purple prose all over the page I looked up his previous comments and deduced he was a troll. Because I am a sentient human being with an understanding of the concept of history.

  63. Come on, @talacaris, I just need “Shroedinger” for pseudo-mathematician bingo!

  64. Troll recognition= the new Turing test??

  65. No I won’t give you Schrödinger. I don’t like the partial derivatives.

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