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The Amazing Atheist spits on the memory of Amanda Todd [TW: bullying, sexual shaming, self-harm, suicide]

You may have read about the heartbreaking story of Amanda Todd, a Canadian teenager who recently posted a much-watched YouTube video (posted below) detailing the bullying and harassment she’d endured online and in real life. This past Wednesday, she was found dead, the apparent victim of suicide.

Here, from the Vancouver Sun, is the basic outline of Amanda’s story:

Amanda was 12 years old when she made a mistake that would haunt her until her death three years later.

Her ordeal started while she was fooling around online with friends. She probably didn’t think it was risky behaviour when she lifted her top to flash the person who was flattering her at the other end of the webcam.

Amanda’s moment of indiscretion was not unusual for someone her age: Sexting and using webcams to share sexual photos is a growing trend among children, some so young they are still in grade school.

“The Internet stalker she flashed kept stalking her,” said Carol. “Every time she moved schools he would go undercover and become a Facebook friend. What the guy did was he went online to the kids who went to (the new school) and said that he was going to be a new student — that he was starting school the following week and that he wanted some friends and could they friend him on Facebook.”

“He eventually gathered people’s names and sent Amanda’s video to her new school.”

The video and photos went to teachers, to parents, to Facebook friends, which lead to repeated taunts: “Oh, there’s the porn star.” …

Amanda was the victim of unrelenting blackmail. And the cyberspace stalker was aided by people in Amanda’s real-world life — kids who would share the photos on their cellphones, kids who would gang up to hurl first verbal abuse and then fists at her.

Amanda’s story illustrates what can happen to young girls when sexualized images of them floating around online, whether they’ve put these pictures up themselves in a moment of poor judgement or whether someone has stolen them from password-locked private photo albums, or whether someone has surreptitiously taken an “upskirt” or “down-the-blouse” or some other compromising picture of them in public. This is the sort of damage that things like the Jailbait and Creepshots subreddits can do to young girls. This is why it’s so important that things like these subreddits be shut the fuck down.

Sadly, even after her suicide, Amanda remains the target of bullies and assholes online.

One of these assholes? The MRA and atheist videoblogger and all-around terrible person known to the world as The Amazing Atheist, whom we first met when he had a Reddit meltdown and started spewing misogynistic abuse at his detractors. Now he’s spitting on Amanda’s memory.

Mocking the format of Amanda’s video, in which told her story by holding up sheets of paper to the camera describing the abuse she’s endured, The Amazing Atheist posted this picture to his Tumblr blog earlier today:

I simply can’t comprehend the mind of someone whose response to Amanda’s story is this. Beyond awful.

Here’s Amanda’s video:

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Posted on October 13, 2012, in bullying, douchebaggery, harassment, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, reddit, YouTube and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 266 Comments.

  1. And actually, the SRSrecovery subreddit just brought up a really good idea, to start using Socratic method to question why my high school friends find such horrible things funny.

  2. You can’t go wrong with Socrates. (Except for all the times you can go wrong with Socrates.)

  3. That poor girl. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment, and I hope whoever caused it goes to jail.

    I’m wondering how the Agonizing Asswipe managed to get anything up his rectum with his head already so firmly wedged in it.

  4. Er, just wanted to clarify that there’s one picture that has a slightly negative tone to it that the other very positive and uplifting pictures don’t have, so maybe it’s only 20 pictures that will restore your faith in humanity.

    (No trigger warnings, though. It’s just a poll where more people didn’t care what Snooki named her kid than people who did.)

  5. What a great guy he is, spitting on the grave of a girl who killed herself. Asshole. Does he really think that people shouldn’t care about Amanda Todd’s suicide? or that he isn’t going to get shit for posting…that? Tch…poor kid never deserved any of that shit, and she certainly doesn’t deserve THIS shit. Fuck you TAA, you sad excuse for a man.

  6. For someone who claims the mantle of “reason and evidence” the amazing asshole couldn’t be more off the mark. For starters he’s not anyone who died today, he’s still breathing oxygen and dancing on the graves of better people then him!

  7. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    @drashizu, thank you for posting that link. That was a really, really good, and necessary, antidote.

    I see a smaller version of the Chicago parade group in action on the way to work. The background is the rantings of the The Australian Christian Lobby, a nasty mob of homophobes of the gay-marriage-leads-to-bestiality and homosexuality-is-more-dangerous-than-smoking line of crap. The thing I see every morning is an A4 poster outside a church, and it says

    We are Christians

    and

    The Australian Christian Lobby

    Does Not Speak For Us

    I feel like rushing in and shaking someone’s hand when I see it.

    Though it doesn’t make me tear up the way those pictures did. :)

  8. @kittehhelp

    Is that a Uniting church? There’s a poster like that on a little Uniting chapel thingo at my uni. It’s a nice change from church signs that take bits of scripture that subtly references differences of theology they have from other churches or posters spinning everything in the Middle East as being all about the poor Copts (who do get a shit deal, but framing it as part of a global oppression of Christians seems to be the common next step and is pretty insulting).

    Wallace & co. are scum. So many otherwise nice people I know can’t bring themselves to feel too strongly about them because of some idea that they’re expressing some legitimate if dated religious view rather than just garbage. Sydney dioceses being among the most reactionary for both Anglicans and Catholics doesn’t help either.

  9. Oh and more thanks to drashizu for that link.

  10. [blockquote]I do wish the discourse around bullying was better, no one (well, aside from lefty/social justice-y blogs) seems to want to talk about the societal structures that lead to this happening.[blockquote] I don’t think there is much of a societal structure behind it. Children simply are 50% assholes , 50% scared of being expulsed from their peer group if they don’t join in on deriding somebody else.

  11. Okay… I second everyone else basically, and add one little thing: If people just ought to realise that it’s a horrible world and just live with it, shouldn’t he by the same “logic” just REALISE that it’s a RELIGIOUS world and just live with it?

  12. I have to second some other comments here – agreed that creep websites should be shut the hell down and that TAA should shut the hell up, but the worst thing about this story is that it actually happened. The sheer amount of vile hatred and cruelty poor Amanda had to deal with is shocking and heartbreaking. If only it was not too late to save her. The police had damn well better find out who stalked her and kick his slimy paedophile ass.

    It must be emphasised and emphasised again that Amanda ultimately died, not because she was bullied by other teens (although it of course did her great harm), but because some sick vindictive bastard failed to blackmail her into giving him the gratification he wanted and so decided he would punish her relentlessly. She was the victim of a conscious, deliberate and probably premeditated crime. Unless people understand this it will be difficult to fight back and prevent similar cases.

    Sorry for the long post. May the poor child rest in peace.

  13. mildlymagnificent

    Children simply are 50% assholes , 50% scared of being expulsed from their peer group if they don’t join in on deriding somebody else.

    Kids can be awful, but there’s more to bullying than that. Adults are also pretty useless when it comes to acting in favour of someone who’s in trouble as well. “The bystander effect” tells us that people who would unhesitatingly jump in and help an injured person if they were alone will stand helplessly immobilised if there’s a group of people who are also standing by.

    Children need to be taught how to overcome the standby effect – by calling or going for help or simply saying something in words or by body language – and reduce the power of bullies and increase the resilience of targets. It can be done. And I think we’re learning that we need to do more by explicit teaching now that bullying nowadays is much less a matter of a punchup behind the bikesheds. In truth, it always was much more than a simple bout of fisticuffs but now there’s no way to avoid that knowledge as parents and teachers have been too often inclined to do.

  14. It’s a shame some people can’t go to school because of creeps and bullies. And that, “Amazing Atheist” is a big fat asshole. Just because other people died that day, it doesn’t make Amanda Todd’s death less tragic.

  15. Great post, Dave. The slut-shaming aspect of this type of bullying can’t go undeclared.

    Another good one: http://www.vancouverobserver.com/blogs/feminista/why-isnt-anyone-talking-about-misogyny-involved-amanda-todds-life-and-death

  16. These shits love to brag about the harm they’ve caused- surely he’s out there bragging on some creep-site forum.

  17. @aworld,

    finding new friends to be more comfortable is totally normal. So is going through various groups/individuals of friends over time, as circumstances and people change

    It sounds like things are going more smoothly at school, I hope that’s the case.

  18. I don’t think there is much of a societal structure behind it. Children simply are 50% assholes , 50% scared of being expulsed from their peer group if they don’t join in on deriding somebody else.

    this is not at all true. If it were then bullying would be a huge problem in other places where children gather (including large families and voluntary groups), and would not be a big problem in groups of adults. Neither of these things are true.

    I think its school. I absolutely do. Children are immersed in an environment where they are only around other kids roughly the same age as they are, so they never see what is next in life or how far they have come compared to younger kids. Assholerly doesn’t seem consequential in such an environment, time virtually stands still. Outside of school people are never age segregated to such an extent. Kids in school virtually never have to help each other (outside of group projects, collaboration is actually punished, called “cheating”). Helping a teacher earns you the derision of everyone else. Asking for help is looked down on generally. Kids are classified and graded like meat and taught contempt for people who are graded/classified differently than they are, so once again the moral is to not give a shit about anyone else if they are too different. The only sources of authority are usually over worked and unresponsive to complaints of bullying, while some are perpetrators of bullying themselves. Those same authorities are never subject to question and enforce ridiculous rules all the time, so children learn the biggest and strongest person gets their way because they are the biggest. I don’t know how the hell anyone could be put through more than a decade of that and come out of it without bullying someone, being bullied, or watching and not caring that bullying is happening. All the seminars and heartfelt talks int he world won’t undo what kids know to be true from years of experience in the design of school- they learn that no one gives a fuck about anyone else, and if you can’t deal with that then you deserve whatever happens to you.

  19. @skeptifem – agreed. I got my first real job in between my sophomore and junior years in high school, and I also got my driver’s license. When I went back to school in the fall, I was a different person. The bullying didn’t end overnight, but I wasn’t the only one who’d started working, and a lot of people seemed to have realized about that time that there was a whole wider world out there. High school suddenly wasn’t the entire universe anymore, and it gave the people inside it a lot less power, at least over me. I had a job working alongside a bunch of adults who didn’t give a shit about my social status at school. That changed a lot of my frustrated anger into contempt, which is not what the bullies wanted.

    I think bullying is also about power. The years when it peaks in schools are the years when kids are starting to evolve into teenagers and beginning the journey to adulthood. All sorts of things in their lives are changing, often rapidly, and they’re being told they have to start taking on more and more responsibility. At the same time, they have virtually no power over any aspect of their lives. They are in school for 8 hours a day, being told “Go here, do this, now go here.” They can’t choose what to do with their time, their mobility is fairly limited, and they’re still children and still vulnerable.

    What do you do when you’re frustrated and can’t exert any control over most of your life? You find someone who has even less power than you and cling to that fact, reinforce it by exerting that power over whoever you can. If that’s the only way you can feel in control of anything, you’re going to take it. Add in the heaping doses of misogyny, homophobia, abilism and so forth that the US culture is swimming in, plus our schizophrenic attitude toward sex, it’s not all that surprising that schools become pressure cookers.

  20. timetravellingfool

    Someone out there is sendign the message that shit is funny, that it is ok to shame particular members of society in a particular way. Kids are just mirroring what they see adults do every day, but, since they’re kids, they don’t have a concept of when it’s appropriate to stop. People keep looking to kids to figure out why they think bullying is ok, and kids are looking at us and seeing an adult version of bullying in all of our media, in our social interactions, in our attitudes towards each other. Kids aren’t the problem, schools aren’t the problem, parents aren’t the problem, what we have given kids to emulate is the problem.

  21. TAA is massive douchenozzle.

  22. Skeptifem, I don’t think it’s just the way school is set up – it’s more a part of the mechanism of bullying, but not the whole explanation.

    When I was bullied in grade school, all of the teachers knew it. No one decided to do the decent thing and tell my parents because my parents were active in the church (I went to Catholic school) and were afraid of their reaction. My parents didn’t believe me, either, thinking I was just being oversensitive about being teased. They didn’t realize that I was being harassed on a daily basis for years, and near the end, harassed by kids from other schools because of the lies that my classmates had told them. Plus, kids do shit that falls under the radar of adults. Much of the bullying was when the teacher’s back was turned and no adults were around. Everyone knew how bad it was for me, based on what they observed, but it was far, far worse than that. And it wasn’t so much that people didn’t give a fuck – there were people to whom I wish have awesome lives because they did care, and there were a lot of people who didn’t feel that I deserved it even if they were apathetic in general. It’s just that it was such a huge problem that no one wanted to try to find a solution a for it, and I also think that they didn’t know how to stop it. That, coupled with the fact that adults didn’t take me seriously as to how bad it was because they didn’t see the under-the-radar stuff, created a perfect storm of misery until I went to high school.

    It’s really hard to struggle through this stuff when you are effectively alone and people are making comments like “Why haven’t you killed yourself already?” But it’s not just the way the school structure is – it’s that no one wants to believe you. I knew their parents, and most of the bullies’ parents were decent people who probably would have been horrified had they known what their child was doing. Hell, it was a Catholic school, and some of those bullies had brothers and/or sisters in other grades, and even they were a bit shocked at the bullying, but again, it’s not like anyone really did anything to help me. I wasn’t different from anybody else, our teachers didn’t really bully us and for the most part were nice people, and my mother was fiercely anti-bullying. I think it was more of people not really comprehending what was going on or how bad it was and assuming that my eventual silence on the subject meant that everything was okay.

    I was just a normal kid, and if that kind of shit can happen to normal kids…well, that idea’s a little a scary for a parent, that your child can be bullied so harshly that they want to commit suicide. It’s like any victim blaming, really. Most people don’t want to acknowledge that it can happen to their children. Honestly, though, I wish I had that luxury but I don’t. And I really feel for Amanda and her family and I hope that they find the peace that they deserve.

  23. timetravellingfool

    [blockquote] Talking about the suicide of 15-year-old Amanda Todd, it’s tempting to look for quick answers, to condemn the technology she was using, to believe we can prevent future Amandas from making the same choice by speaking out against “bullying.” But calling it “bullying” or even “cyberbullying” doesn’t do it justice. “Bullying” erases specific social factors and makes it seem like something that you age out of. Adding the “cyber” prefix doesn’t necessarily make it more accurate. Technology was a catalyst, but webcams, cellphones, and the Internet aren’t the key to understanding what happened to Amanda; systemic sexism was. [/blockquote] This article is dead on: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jarrah-hodge/amanda-todd-bullying-gender-slut-shaming_b_1964337.html

  24. @drashizu

    Firefighter + kitten = the best thing.

  25. [Putting on former sociology minor hat]. In one of my sociology classes, we read Freaks, Geeks, and Cool Kids by Murray Milner and (simplification ahead) he argues that the reason high school is so awful is that given the lack of choices that teenagers have combined with the free time they end up forming what a status-based hierarchy that is fairly similar to a caste system, since status–which only exists in the minds of your peers–cannot be taken away from you by outsiders. The problem is that status-based systems are inelastic, so you can’t go up without booting someone down, so what happens is once it gets established everyone above you rabidly defends their place against you, and you rabidly defend your place against those below you. Also, he argues that in many schools, the boys’ ranks are based on traits like athleticism and the girls’ ranks are based on how attractive they are to guys, so…

    The importance of this tends to decline in the older years of high school because everyone gains a bit of status just from aging up and also probably because they start to have lives outside of school (though all my summer jobs taught me is “I don’t want to work these kinds of jobs anymore”).

    He also argues that there is a continuum between hierarchical schools, where there are different groups arranged in a hierarchy, and pluralistic schools, where there are different groups but they don’t rank neatly. The first tend to be nastier for bullying.

  26. I was just at the grocery store, and overheard a conversation between two men that made me want to go back outside and slam my head in the truck door. These two fine upstanding gentlemen were talking about “loose women,” and who amongst their acquaintance fit this bill, I shit you not. It took all my self-control not to say, “You should get down on your knees and thank whoever that ANY women are giving your stank asses the time of day.”

    Seriously, guys, it’s 2012, knock off the slut-shaming. This shit needs to end.

  27. As was covered in Encyclopedia Dramatica, TJ has been harassed in a similar fashion over the last year or so. He’s probably upset that most people don’t feel sorry for him.

  28. timetravellingfool

    Wait, he’s got nudes out there and he was being blackmailed with them? Odd.

  29. Yeah… I guess my give-a-shit is broken when it comes to vile shitstains being harassed in ways similar to their own behavior. I know I should probably get that looked at, but it’s probably going in the queue behind the sink full of dishes and the unpacked boxes from moving four months ago and…

  30. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    @lowquacks – No, it’s an Anglican church and primary school. Hopefully they also have a low opinion of that tosser Jensen (did you see he was whining recently about funerals celebrating people’s lives – and playing Going My Way, oh the horror! – instead of pushing the ‘you’re all going to hell’ line? Thank goodness the old tosser’s retiring).

    I’m glad to see the ‘they don’t speak for us’ isn’t just this church. The more who say Wallace and co. are losers, liars and scumbags the better. Put ‘em on the outer, like Westboro. Maybe the politicians will eventually get the idea that a) the fundies don’t represent Christianity and b) Christianity doesn’t represent Australia.

  31. I am not really seeing how his nudes being distributed would in any way excuse his behavior in the OP.
    For one, he is a grown ass man, Amanda was a 14 year-old girl (and girl does apply here unlike when MRA like to use the word). Grown-ups generally tend to be able to deal with harassment a little easier than kids/teenagers.
    I also highly doubt that he was literally physically assaulted by his peers and abandoned by all his friends once the nudes where released.

    IMO, it’s not even remotely comparable and the fact that he’s making out that Amanda was somehow less “strong” than him because she couldn’t stand it, is especially stupid seeing as she had obviously had to deal with more shit over it than he did. That he is trying to make himself out to be a hero over this just makes me even less sympathetic to him.

  32. Did anyone see this post by Eivind Berge?

    http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=90076

  33. Did someone say that it justifies his behavior? My theory is that he’s being petty because people didn’t tell him what a special snowflake he was.

  34. Did someone say that it justifies his behavior? My theory is that he’s being petty because people didn’t tell him what a special snowflake he was.

    You’re right, you didn’t say that, I apologize.

    I do get the feeling from him that he thinks that it justifies his behavior, though.
    He has that same kinda attitude when it comes to rape (“I got raped as a child, so I’m allowed to tell you to go get raped”) too.

  35. timetravellingfool

    Yeah, if you can’t distinguish the scope of your misfortune from that of a child who has a stalker after her and all of her peers turning against her and does not have any means of escape and eventually killed herself you are one self-centered prick.

  36. The Amazing Atheist sounds like an Amazing A-Hole.

  37. So I’ve been deleting a lot of comments from new people trying to post here, mostly because they’re defending TAA and his “argument” here, and I don’t want that sort of assholery stinking up this thread. This isn’t the typical misogynist shit we deal with here; a young girl took her life, and it’s disrespectful at the very least.

    The weirdest part of the “argument” being made by many of the deleted commenters (and by TAA) is that by paying attention to Amanda Todd we are somehow distracting people from other victims of bullying. Which is beyond ridiculous: Amanda’s story is bringing *more* attention to the issue of bullying. Amanda was incredibly courageous to make the video that brought attention to the issue, and that led to a new wave of attacks on her. She wasn’t trying to bring attention to herself; she was trying to help other victims of bullying and sexual shaming.

    Also, let’s cool it with the banana references. The issue here is what TAA is saying, not what he does in his private life. I’m going to go back and delete references to that.

  38. I can’t stand the Agonizing Asswipe, but I can’t support what happened to him either. No one should have to go through being manipulated into doing something against their better judgement and then have it spread out for public ridicule. Two wrongs don’t make a right, even if he makes pond scum look evolved by comparison.

    However, I also have trouble mustering much sympathy for the Abrasive Asshole. As an agnostic/borderline atheist, I hate that he goes out of his way to embody and reinforce negative stereotypes about atheists. Non-atheists look at jeks like him and think all atheists are rude, arrogant, mysogonistic attention whoring douchebags.

    He’s not an asshole because he’s an atheist, he’s an asshole because he’s an asshole. I imagine mainstream Christians must feel the same way about Fred Phelps.

  39. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    That’s a bloody good summary, Hesster.

  40. Damn. The scope and magnitude of the bullying that this poor girl had to deal with just breaks my heart. NO child should be subjected to this and I hope she’s found the peace that she never had in her short life. And her parents… there are just no words.

  41. Also, while I think that what happened to TAA is wrong, in regard to his video, I also can’t muster much other than an intellectual “yeah, doing that shit isn’t okay, even if I think the person on the receiving end is a complete waste of human life.” As he’s slut shaming and continuing to bully a dead child, I find it really hard to have much sympathy for the guy. I know, I’m an awful person for saying that, but…

    However, I also think that it’s a somewhat different situation than what happened to Amanda Todd. She was very young when her indiscretion happened. Young enough that she likely didn’t have the maturity to think about what may happen or the consequences that it may bring. It was also child pornography, which adds another layer of ick. And a hell of a lot more condemnation for the asshole who did this to her. I hope he’s found, prosecuted and permanently removed from society, so he can’t victimize any more children.

    Having dealt with the inevitable slut shaming that happened when I was all but forced to tell my friends and family that I was a nude and fetish model, I can’t imagine how hard it was for her to deal with. I was an adult, with more wisdom and maturity to deal with this kind of thing. Remembering how bad it was for me and the understanding that it was incredibly worse for her makes my heart break even more. Nobody deserves to go through what she had to, especially not a young girl.

    And the memory of my own slut shaming is all that’s allowing me to feel any kind of compassion in regard to TAA’s victimization. He’s a douchebaggy asshole, but he still doesn’t deserve to have something like that happen to him, because it’s wrong and it fucking sucks to have something like that happen to you.

  42. FWIW, I actually don’t think TAA is irredeemable. I think he’s an idiot, and weirdly immature in a lot of ways, and then his semi-fame allows him to surround himself with people who reinforce his bullshit. And yes, this is almost certainly related to the somewhat analogous situation that he was in a while back.

  43. “So I’ve been deleting a lot of comments from new people trying to post here, mostly because they’re defending TAA and his “argument” here, and I don’t want that sort of assholery stinking up this thread.”

    So in other words “I dont like other opinions that dont agree with my own, so i delete comments so i dont get uncomfortable”

    You’re cool LOL

  44. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    When he’s sneering at, blaming, a child for what was done to her – a child who has since suicided because of that – he’s worse than an idiot. Total empathy fail doesn’t begin to describe it. This bloke is viciously misogynistic. Maybe not irredeemable, but immature idiot just doesn’t cover it.

  45. The worst thing for me is visualizing the stalker who did it all. He manipulated a 12-year-old child into flashing her child chest, then destroyed her life with it. I’d hope that he’d feel sorrow after knowing that her life was over because of his actions, but I know he’s reveling in it. He’s glad he killed a little girl. This is what stalkers/creeps/rapists/wannabes do.
    This hurts in so many ways because this person is sick and will do more harm. He will make the world worse in any way he can.

    And there are so many more just like him.

    This piece of shit is happy that this little child is dead.

    And I feel sick because there’s just no way for me to fight them. Where is the sign-up sheet for Fighting Against Human Turds?

    Sorry. I apologize for this. But it makes me sick to know that turds like this get to be happy while children live in misery.

  46. Yeah, I’m going to to go ahead and disagree about TAA being redeemable. I don’t know how you come back from publicly and loudly denigrating a child who killed themselves because of people’s cruelty.

    TAA saying sorry isn’t gonna cut it. Maaaaaybe shutting the fuck up forever and ever and leaving the internet would be a good start.

  47. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Nothing to apologise for from where I’m reading, Freitag. Cyber hugs if they’d be welcome.

  48. @Frietag: I’d venture to say that it’s worse. I don’t think he cares one way or another that his actions pushed that little girl to suicide. To him, he was nothing more than a piece of meat that he could manipulate for his own sick pleasure. And when he didn’t get his way, he destroyed her, like he was swatting at a mosquito. To him, she was nothing and that’s more disgusting and disturbing. If he were happy about her death, that would require him to A. feel emotion for her and B. regard her as a human being. I don’t think he can do that, if he could systematically destroy another human being, especially a child, the way he did.

    People like this terrify me. Because I know that there’s not a shred of human compassion, empathy or feeling and that they’re unable to bond with the rest of the human race, on even a superficial level. They’re capable of some of the worst atrocities known to human kind and knowing that there are people like this out there is incredibly frightening.

  49. Is there an official name for the faulty argument/self justification that goes “There is no point dealing with this bad thing, because there are much worse things happening out there. And since I can’t fix the much worse things I won’t do anything at all except ridicule the people who try”? (Other than just self-justification)

    Because that seems to be what his ‘argument’ consists of.

  50. So in other words “I dont like other opinions that dont agree with my own, so i delete comments so i dont get uncomfortable”

    Most of the time I let virtually all comments through. In this thread, I’m deleting comments that are an insult to the memory of a girl who killed herself because of bullying and sexual shaming.

  51. Thank you for keeping this thread free of that sort of bullshit, David.

    To any thankfully moderated posters looking to defend TAA: You should be ashamed of yourselves. Even if you believe the idiocy that caring about a girl who was harassed and bullied until she took her own life is somehow detracting from others who are victims of bullying, you do not counter that by mocking the memory of a dead girl. You just don’t.

  52. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Oh look, a troll with reading comprehension fail who thinks mocking this poor girl is “opinion”. Colour me surprised.

  53. Well, if the universe is at all just TAA will contract a horrific but not life-threatening case of giardiasis and spend a full two weeks contemplating the core and summation of his self–his asshole.

    Given how fond of his supporters are of lapping up the bullshit he spews, we could expect to see a delightful plague.

    Giardia is my favorite unicellular parasite for many reasons, but most importantly it looks like a cute, smiley owl face.

  54. Oh un-self-aware atheists. They remind me so much of fundamentalist Christians who claim to hate Muslim extremists but then align themselves with their views 99% of the time (and, occasionally – like Pat Robertson – slip up and admit they wish they could implement some of the laws like they’ve got in Saudi Arabia). This sad sack might as well be protesting a celebrity funeral alongside the Westboro Baptist Church. We get it. You want attention. But please, go get a job and a clue.

  55. So in other words “I dont like other opinions that dont agree with my own, so i delete comments so i dont get uncomfortable”

    If you’re standing on the street having a conversation with your friends, and some asshole wanders up and starts spouting offensive bullshit, no one would blame you for either moving away or telling him to leave. So I don’t get why so many people seem to think that moderating comments on the Internet is some terrible offense. It’s the same damn thing.

    I don’t know if you bothered to read upthread, but this post is full of bullying survivors pouring their hearts out. And you’re whining about the fact that they don’t have to hear more of the crap that was upsetting them about this story in the first place? Nice priorities.

  56. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    @emilygoddess – he’ll be whining about Freedom of Speech blahblahblah next, I’d bet. Which doesn’t apply to blogs anyway. I always like the way the Hoyden About Town writers put it:

    “Our blog, our discretion. Your right to free speech is protected by your freedom to set up your own blog, just like us. Playful shenanigans are encouraged, but obnoxious or vexatious shenanigans will be squelched.”

  57. @kim

    Is there an official name for the faulty argument/self justification that goes “There is no point dealing with this bad thing, because there are much worse things happening out there. And since I can’t fix the much worse things I won’t do anything at all except ridicule the people who try”? (Other than just self-justification)

    I don’t know if you’re seriously asking or if it’s just a rhetorical question, but this is pretty much the Perfectionist Fallacy, assuming that if there isn’t a perfect solution to something then there is no point in even trying.
    The definition of a perfect solution can be expanded to accommodate any and all problems that this solution would need to fix, so that it remains out of reach no matter what.

  58. P Z Myers also blogged about that.

    The Unamazing @$$hole then responded with this comment:

    http://amazingatheist.tumblr.com/post/33569882975/hey-tj-you-are-not-liked-over-pharyngula-right-now

    “Pharyngula? Isn’t that PZ Myers shitty little let’s-all-get-offended blog? Who could give a fuck about that anymore? In 2008 maybe that meant something, but that guy has gone off the deep end. The Thunderf00t debacle bears that out.”

  59. The Amazing Manbaby has no empathy. He has a track record of saying this kind of heartless crap about suicidal people before.

    Just because HE isn’t troubled by suicidal thoughts, he thinks everyone who has committed or attempted suicide is stupid. He’s the king of lazy internet solipsism.

  60. I read the article someone linked above. The article was good, but the apologists in the comment thread made me throw up in my mouth a little. They could of just kept their mouths shut and let people empathize and mourn this poor girl, but something about framing her tragedy as driven by sexism and misogyny just made some of these guys livid.

    But still, what couldn’t they just keep their mouths shut? I mean, just this once?

    There was a lot of smack talk about how she made “mistakes” and how she should be responsible for them, and blah-blah-blargity-blah.

    Someone totally fucked with her, then her peers fucked with her. Really, no sympathy at all? Would admitting that a girl was fucked with such a threat to their insular worldview?

    These people are very small and unevolved…I don’t know how else to say it.

  61. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Huffington Post seems to have quite the MRA/NiceGuy troll family – though in fairness that’s on the US version I’ve seen most often, not this one, and none of the names were familiar. I gave up reading that site because not one single article could be posted about women’s concerns without the squeals about “why isn’t there a HuffPo men’s page?” and “women are evil sluts who then deny sex to their poor husbands” and so on and so on.

  62. Jeko: Are you paying attention?

    No.

    1: This is Dave’s place. Think of it as his living room, and we are all guests. If he doesn’t like the way we act, he’s absolutely entitled to give us the bum’s rush.

    2: He, by and large, doesn’t. Take a good look at any other thread. Examine them in detail I recommend you look for NWO. You could do a google string search for Brandon, David K. Meller, NWO Slave, or M R A L (take the spaces out), Tom Martin, or Toy Soldier, and see how much slack they were given.

    3: He warned people., straight up, what was allowed. They chose to ignore that warning. Oops. If you go to China Lake Naval Weapons Station, and cross the fence, don’t be surprised if they shoot you; that’s if you don’t get killed by the minefields the signs on the fence warn you about. They aren’t joking.

  63. I dunno, kitteh, I guess my mistake was trying to understand the mind-set of these whining trolls. They kind of remind of a bratty child who was under the impression they were the center of their parents’ universe, then another kid comes along and gets some attention because she scraped her knee. And they get all, “Waaaaah! She isn’t in pain! Now look at meeeeeeee!” Eh, I dunno.

  64. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Yeah, it’s not a mindset I can grasp without putting my Cynical Cap and Hostile Glasses on.

  65. Well, me neither. I guess I find their lack of self-awareness unbelieveable. I mean, has no one in their life ever said, “Would you just listen to yourself?” I guess not. The self-examination just isn’t there.

  66. Yes! That’s what I’m talking about, Sir Bodsworth.

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