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The “boy crisis” in schools explained: “We dumbed it all down and added a healthy dose of ‘pretty’ to give the girls [an] advantage.”

Let’s take another quick trip over to the Men’s Rights subreddit to learn the dirty secret behind the superior performance of girls in schools these days: the machinations of unmuzzled feminists!

Funcuz, could you please show your work, as they say in school.

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Posted on October 8, 2012, in antifeminism, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, reddit and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 173 Comments.

  1. Aw, guys, Owly picked on me! Here I thought I was an innocuous little lurker! The thing is Owly, I got LOTS of criticism from my male teachers. Like, a LOT. And a boatload of criticism from female teachers as well. And even in my most stubborn phases, I never once felt the need to try to get them fired. Never a one. And you know, I didn’t like it, criticism never feels “good” but after a while I pulled my head out of my ass and realized that I could either be an embittered, mediocre student, convinced that I had some genius untapped and unnoticed by “closeminded” educators OR I could take their comments with a grain of salt, and incorporate them into my work.

    I chose to do the latter and after I did, I began to excel. You can think what you want Owly (you always do) but you and the MRM are shining examples of just how much damage can be done by sheer refusal to self-examine.

    @lauralot89
    Honestly, I have no idea how he even manages common tasks – being angry makes me tired and gives me headaches, even being around people who are angry makes me tired (which is why I too generally try to stay away from his posts, particularly since he’s been phoning it in lately anyway). I’d be fucking exhausted I think, just living for an hour with the amount of rage-fail Owly has. I’d have an eternal migraine.

  2. Owly, do you for reals believe that anyone on this board has ever criticized all men?

    Because I have never

    ever

    read such a thing.

  3. @ostara

    Actually I’m kind of concerned that he’s going to give himself an ulcer. Maybe his comments here serve as venting and he’s calmer afterwards – I can’t even imagine what it would be like to live in that state of white-hot rage all the time.

  4. Men have been ridiculed by women from birth, literally every day by the media and school system.

    Just because you get ridiculed every day doesn’t mean ALL men do. I don’t know which came first for you, the being ridiculed or the being ridiculous, but the ridicule is nothing to do with you being a man and everything to do with you being you.

  5. @ostara321
    “You can think what you want Owly (you always do) but you and the MRM are shining examples of just how much damage can be done by sheer refusal to self-examine.”

    You say, as a feminist you self examine, yet the condescending tone indicates otherwise. I think what I want (I always do), is bad. you also think what you want (you always do), but that’s good. My thinking what I want is bad because I’m a man. You thinking what you want is good because you’re a woman.
    ———————-
    @Kim
    “I don’t know which came first for you, the being ridiculed or the being ridiculous, but the ridicule is nothing to do with you being a man and everything to do with you being you.”

    This site is dedicated to ridiculing men and glorifying women. You come here to ridicule men and glorify women. The only time a man gets a pass from ridicule in this place is dependent on his level of deference to women.

    If you say, “Oh Owly, dearest, sweetie, how can you live with yourself, crawl out of you mommys basement and stop rage wanking.” You get an A++ for ridiculing a man.

    If you say, “Women aren’t vengeful or vindictave and never manipulative. Women are good and kind and empathetic.” You get an A++ for glorifying women.

    If you say that all women are liars, which is the truth. Every woman has lied so all women are liars. You’ll be ridiculed for cracking the pedestal of womans perfection. When you come to this site you come here with only one purpose. To ridicule men and glorify women.

    I’m a troll, only because I don’t ridicule men and glorify women. You and the rest of the gang aren’t trolls because you do ridicule men and glorify women.

  6. You are a troll because you don’t pay attention to what is said. You are a troll because you make unsupported claims and expect people to take them seriously.

    You are reviled because you think 8 year olds are trying to frustrate you by “acting sexy” in their bathing suits.

    It’s not that you criticise women, it’s that you loathe them, and think they ought to be beaten in the streets.

  7. Being a working teacher (in Sweden, high school/USS-ages) my main observation is that a lot of boys get socialised into thinking studying is for girls.

    Bingo.

    I can only speak for my own country, but in the US, there’s a pronounced culture of anti-intellectualism that hurts all students, but my experience is that it hurts them in decidedly gendered ways. Girls get indoctrinated with the message, “Don’t be too smart. Don’t know too many things. Don’t be too good at anything academic. It’s (comparatively) okay to be obedient and quiet and work hard, but it’s not okay to think you’re clever or anything.” Boys, on the other hand, receive a message more like, “Don’t try too hard. Don’t make an effort. Don’t act like school is something that matters. It’s (comparatively) okay to be naturally brilliant, but it’s not okay to care or anything.” Girls, who are socialized to be people-pleasers, are culturally “allowed” to ask the teacher for extra help, or to do extra credit – but they’ll get smacked down hard by their peers if they ever say, “Actually, math is easy and I enjoy it!” Boys, on the other hand, are “allowed” to present themselves as geniuses or know-it-alls, but studying or asking for help will get them scoffed at – they’re doing what their teachers want, being weak, compliant, girly.

    It doesn’t surprise me that more girls than boys are doing well under a system like this – intelligence and hard work are both important factors in academic success, but if we divide schoolkids into four groups – girls who are smart enough that they could coast their way through school without a lot of hard work, boys who are smart enough that they could coast their way through school without a lot of hard work, girls who need to work hard to succeed, and boys who need to work hard to succeed, it’s clear that the people who are most likely to fail in a system of social pressures as described above are the boys who don’t have the luxury of coasting by on raw talent. The girls may screw themselves over by suppressing their natural abilities for the sake of social approval, but they can still at least pass their classes without social fallout.

    To me, the trick to fixing this isn’t worrying about how “masculine” or “feminine” education is. Instead, we should be attacking the root cause – the underlying culture of anti-intellectualism, and a stupidly sexist society that means that that culture affects boys and girls differently. And if MRAs want to help individual boys right now, the best thing they can do is very much not to whine about how schoolwork is “pointless” or “dumbed down” or “feminized,” which just feeds right into that whole “doing your homework is uncool and unmanly” bullshit, but rather to promote hard work in school as a virtue and something that should be seen as “cool” and worthy of respect.

    (Oh, and speaking as a woman and an academic overachiever, I am deeply, deeply amused by the notion that drawing flowers on things is the key to academic success, given that I am roughly the worst artist in the history of humanity. The average five-year-old is better at drawing things than I am. Strangely, I managed to do very well on essays through means like “writing good essays,” without ever drawing a single flower. Funny, that.)

  8. How come NWO never picks on my posts? I swear, the last time he did it was ages ago when I was declaring that my magical unbroken hymen allowed me to summon unicorns. Is it because I had a lot of posting conversations with Ami?

    I’m starting to feel neglected. Maybe I’ll make him a sweater once I’m through with my Christmas knits.

  9. If you say, “Oh Owly, dearest, sweetie, how can you live with yourself, crawl out of you mommys basement and stop rage wanking.” You get an A++ for ridiculing a man.

    If you say, “Women aren’t vengeful or vindictave and never manipulative. Women are good and kind and empathetic.” You get an A++ for glorifying women.

    Hey Owly!

    Pecunium. What a guy. He approaches issues coolly and rationally, supporting every argument by using facts to verify and anecdotes to personalize. He has demonstrated compassion for all women and men who are treated poorly. He’s clearly welcome in every thread on this website, and is so without sacrificing his opinions or independence.

    … and then there’s Ruby. Or Driversuz. Or our newest, Sally Strange. All of whom expressed problematic opinions and were called out.

    Our praise and wrath aren’t gendered, and your belief that they are further proves that you’re not paying any damn attention.

  10. To be fair, part of Owly’s problem is his inability to distinguish between people telling him that he’s horrible and people telling him that all men are horrible. Most people get that whole difference between self and others thing sorted out as toddlers, but I guess he skipped that developmental step somehow.

  11. Most people get that whole difference between self and others thing sorted out as toddlers, but I guess he skipped that developmental step somehow.

    I’ve got it! NWO is the Death Eater who got his head magically deaged to infancy in the Department of Mysteries! That explains why he’s old enough to hold a job, yet still has the mental and emotional maturity of a preschooler.

  12. @NWO: My condescending tone was directed at _you_. Not all men everywhere. I am condescending towards hateful people, it’s one of my many faults.

    @Polliwog: Sadly, young boys suffer from the current rigid gender roles as much as (or even more than) girls do, and I think the “too cool for school” mindset is a fairly clear example of that.

  13. This site is dedicated to ridiculing men and glorifying women. You come here to ridicule men and glorify women.

    @Owly – Uh, no. We’re here to mock misogyny. Which is the hatred of women, which can be committed by anyone of any gender. I’m starting to think you MRAs have some sort of weird selective blindness that you can’t read the site header. What’s up with that?

    I will give you that mocking and ridiculing are pretty much the same thing. There’s no “glorifying” mission statement about anyone though. Also there’ve been a fair number of posts ridiculing the female MRAs, so I’m not sure how anyone who has moderate long term memory can claim this site glorifies women unconditionally.

  14. @pecunium
    “You are a troll because you make unsupported claims and expect people to take them seriously.”

    Ya mean like 1 in 4 women in college are raped, or women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes for the same job? Ya mean stuff like that that’s been repeated on these very pages? Yeah, that’d be big old lies alrighty.

    What do you expect from a straight, white man? I’m in the default oppressor category. I live a life of luxury and ease. I have straight privilege, white privilege and man privilege. That’d be a lie as well, but we here in feminist land we run with that lie as well.
    ————
    “You are reviled because you think 8 year olds are trying to frustrate you by “acting sexy” in their bathing suits.”

    Only 8 year olds? You can do better than that. Can’t ya? Hell, I’ve been accused of raping 4 year olds on these very pages. C’mon, I’m the evil bad man, reviled as it were. When I see an 8 year old I ask her if she has a younger sister.
    ————
    “It’s not that you criticise women, it’s that you loathe them, and think they ought to be beaten in the streets.”

    Criticizing a single solitary woman is hatred of all women. Where have you been? And I only think women should be beaten in the streets twice a month, not every day. Besides, we can generalize about all men, white men and so on. What makes women so special they can’t be generalized about? Gee, is it bad to hold everyone to the same yardstick I’m held to?

  15. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    “If you say that all women are liars, which is the truth. Every woman has lied so all women are liars.”

    Do you have a problem with the idea that men are, by that definition, liars also? Or does any piece of crap a man says (you, for instance) become TRUTH because a man happened to say it?

    You’re so fucking stupid I’m surprised your head hasn’t imploded. And that’s not a comment about the other three-billion-odd men on the planet. It’s a comment about you, one specific person. That’s the difference you don’t seem to grasp.

  16. C’mon, I’m the evil bad man, reviled as it were.

    I JUST OFFERED TO KNIT YOU A FUCKING SWEATER.

    I wasn’t even being sarcastic. But carry on with your persecution complex if you must.

  17. Fascinating how we’re like “We don’t say things about all men. You’re wrong.”

    And Owly’s like

    “OF COURSE I’M WRONG BECAUSE I’M A MAN AND YOU SAY THAT ALL MEN ARE AUTOMATICALLY WRONG”

    Truly, his powers of ignoring inconvenient truths is a powerful, yet boring, schtick.

  18. I stick with my earlier assessment that NWO is a bot.

  19. Truly, his powers of ignoring inconvenient truths is a powerful, yet boring, schtick.

    Gah! inurashii, are you trying to make them all show up at once?

  20. Gah! inurashii, are you trying to make them all show up at once?

  21. @lauralot – now you’re making me wish that I had more free time. Your knitting has made me think about crocheting amigurumi dolls of all the trolls. NWO would be a little cow in silver acrylic chains, I think.

  22. But can you crochet a doll with varying morning and evening heights?

  23. I JUST OFFERED TO KNIT YOU A FUCKING SWEATER.

    Clearly this is an evil feminist ploy. (A) You would probably use the scratchy wool. (B) Owly is allergic to wool and can only wear leather, thanks to his long, grueling years as a milk machine technician. Even his socks are leather. (C) It would probably be a turtleneck, specially made to constrict slowly and nearly imperceptibly, eventually strangling him in his sleep.* If his lanolin allergies don’t kill him first.

    *That is the most adverbs I have ever used in once sentence. Yonkers!

  24. Oh, silly me, I forgot about the long and glorious tradition of women killing men with handcrafted garments. Reaches back all the way to the shirt of Nessus, it does.

  25. A doll with morning and evening heights wouldn’t be too hard – I’d just have to figure in for some folding/accordion action. Of course, that would leave the stuffing badly distributed, so the taller doll would probably crumple in the middle and collapse to one side. Which just might add to the authenticity, since we could call it putting the doll in “meltdown mode.”

  26. NWO: Ya mean like 1 in 4 women in college are raped, or women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes for the same job? Ya mean stuff like that that’s been repeated on these very pages? Yeah, that’d be big old lies alrighty.

    There you go again.

    You don’t like those facts? Fine. You want to dispute them, get some evidence. Because citations supporting those claims were made. You ignored them, pretended they weren’t but that’s your problem, not mine.

    What do you expect from a straight, white man? I’m in the default oppressor category. I live a life of luxury and ease. I have straight privilege, white privilege and man privilege. That’d be a lie as well, but we here in feminist land we run with that lie as well.

    Dude…I’m a straight white man too.

    It’s not that you are straight, nor that you are white. It’s that you are an asshole, and wrong.

    “You are reviled because you think 8 year olds are trying to frustrate you by “acting sexy” in their bathing suits.”

    Only 8 year olds? You can do better than that. Can’t ya? Hell, I’ve been accused of raping 4 year olds on these very pages

    Are you going to deny what I said, or merely try to deflect it by claiming other people have made false accusations.†

    “It’s not that you criticise women, it’s that you loathe them, and think they ought to be beaten in the streets.”

    Criticizing a single solitary woman is hatred of all women. Where have you been? And I only think women should be beaten in the streets twice a month, not every day. Besides, we can generalize about all men, white men and so on. What makes women so special they can’t be generalized about? Gee, is it bad to hold everyone to the same yardstick I’m held to?

    Dude… you don’t criticise a woman. You don’t even critcise women. You attack them. You lie about them. You say they should be “escalated” against; made to fear men. You said they ought to be enslaved.

    Not saying shit like that is the standard we hold everyone to. It’s just that most (You, Meller, AntZ, being among the few exeptions) can’t manage even that level of human decency.

    You have the effrontery to dress yourself up as a paragon of virtue; because you have an ugly religious belief to go with it, but it’s not that you are religious, it’ that you use it to justify harming people.

    † If you have been accused, why haven’t the police been at your door? All it takes is a woman’s word, right? If one of the women here wanted to they could go to the police, and a subpoena would go to wordpress and your ISP would get one, and you’d be in jail, right?

  27. Fitzy, idea — make a doll top half and a doll bottom half, both fully stuffed. The middle section is a spring with a knit cover, and on either side is a loop and button. To shorten the doll, you compress the string and fasten both loops to the buttons to hold the doll together. To lengthen, release the loops and the doll will expand. :D

  28. What about a Russian doll style sorta thing? The shorter doll would be stuffed, and the taller doll would be like a cover that slips over the top.

    /random idea of someone who has no idea about this area of crafts

  29. @ inurashii, Shade – both workable! Damn, now I really wish I had more time to do these. Maybe when my husband gets home in December. I’ll have to brainstorm and look for patterns until then. More ideas are welcome!

  30. If you say, “Oh Owly, dearest, sweetie, how can you live with yourself, crawl out of you mommys basement and stop rage wanking.” You get an A++ for ridiculing a man.

    Reading comprehension fail. We are ridiculing you because you are saying stupid things. That you are a man is incidental. We would ridicule a woman saying the same things.

  31. @skeptifem
    Hey, I’m reading that book right now! As someone who grew up with particular revulsion for homework, it’s been a treat so far.

  32. @Polliwog: I totally think we have the same thing going on here in Sweden, and that your explanation is spot-on. And I should add that this could also explain why men tend to dominate when you reach really high academic positions (at least it could be part of the explanation). The higher you get, the more you need self-confidence, not just the ability to work hard. This might also be one reason why philosophy is much more male-dominated than the other humanities. I think philosophy might require a bit more confidence and a belief that you’re great and coming up with great ideas than, say, history.

  33. Ferdinand Bauer isn’t going to appreciate funcuzs dismissal of botanical illustration as an evil of feminism or a girl only behavior….

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