Should dating advice be a boys-only club? One self-described Omega Virgin says “yes.”

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The Men’s Rights blogger behind The Black Pill – formerly known as Omega Virgin Revolt – has made it his life’s mission to bring down the Pickup Artist movement, or at least the part of it that overlaps with the Men’s Rights movement online. Not because “Roissysphere gamers” are misogynist assholes who preach a mixture of manipulation and date-rapery to their readers. But because, in his estimation, these guys are promoting a “Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction (MDAD)” that convinces poor oppressed men that they can solve their problems by manipulating drunk hotties into sleeping with them – thus distracting them from the much more important goal of destroying feminism.

No, really.

The MDAD is especially insidious because it turns self described anti-feminists into feminists without those anti-feminists being concious of the process.  …

I am declaring complete and total war against the MDAD.  My goal is nothing less than COMPLETE DESTRUCTION of the MDAD so that whenever feminism is being fought in the future any discussion of dating advice is regarded as useless or a feminist trick and ignored.  The MDAD is what is blocking the progress of mens rights more than anything else right now. 

In his latest attack on the evil MDAD, Mr. Black Pill takes aim at the notion that women should have any influence over dudes who give out dating advice.

One of the ways that feminism controls everything is by making it so that everything needs female approval to be taken seriously. …

Dating advice is also held hostage to female approval.  In fact, it is held hostage to female approval to a greater degree than almost anything else.  Why is that? 

Perhaps because if someone is giving out dating advice, rather than raping advice, to straight dudes, female approval has to be part of the package? If the idea of women offering opinions on dating advice makes your head explode, I’m not sure you understand the concept of consent well enough to be dating, much less giving out dating advice to others.

Mr. Pill continues:

Dating advice should be evaluated based on a scientific analysis of its results, on whether it works or not.  If a dating strategy works, it doesn’t need female approval.  Female approval doesn’t make a dating strategy work or work better.  It’s completely irrelevant to dating advice.  This is why no form of dating advice, including game, can be trusted.  All forms of dating advice are currently held hostage to women for the benefit of women.  Currently, every form of dating advice exists for the purpose of benefiting women not for helping men get more and better dates.

Yeah, “game” is a giant gift to women. Clearly the women of the world – especially the feminists – should be grateful for the opportunity to have more creepy manipulative dudes hitting on them.

Roissyite gamers are constantly trying to get female approval for game.  They say that game is about “what works” for getting women, but if that were true they wouldn’t care about getting female approval for game.

Mr. Pill’s evidence for this? That some “Roissyite gamers” have tried to convince the slut-shaming, chart-making dating guru Susan Walsh that “game” is great for women. And that some male gamers are fans of a female game guru by the name of Kezia Noble.

Noble is bad news for men, Mr. Pill explained in a previous post, because dudes should

never ask women for advice about women.  No matter what women will give you bad advice about women even if it’s unintentional.  I am certain every man reading this has had the experience of their moms giving them bad advice about women.  Knowing this gamers should avoid and denounce Kezia Noble but they don’t.  They love her proving that gamers are nothing but mangina sycophants.  Gamers can’t even hold themselves to their own ideas.  If they can’t do that then game doesn’t exist and gamers are nothing but feminist manginas looking for new ways to kiss women’s asses.

Given that someone as allergic to female opinion as Mr. Pill is unlikely to fully understand or appreciate the notion of consent, I’m thinking it’s just as well that he remains a virgin.

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Posted on October 1, 2012, in antifeminism, creepy, heartiste, internal debate, manginas, men who should not ever be with women ever, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, pledge drive, PUA, rapey and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 229 Comments.

  1. Treating women like cars would be fine if women were cars or technological devices. But since women are actually individual PEOPLE, that doesn’t work. To some extent, this whole “women are interchangeable” tends to become even more egregious when MRAs start going on about FOREIGN BRIDES, as though all Asian/Eastern European/insert-exoticised-non-American-culture-here women are just interchangeable purchasable vaginas sitting around in a warehouse overseas waiting to be boxed up for American Male use.

    Ugh.

  2. Pretty much my view of it-which I told him to go ask whatever woman he is interested in what she is looking for in a whatever he wants romantically from her then, and this is really important, accept what she says even if it means he is not her ideal mate without arguing with her.

    I was going to mention this too, but I figured I had gone on enough already. :)

    Based on what I know about psychology, I wouldn’t trust anyone, including myself to know what is best for themselves, or even what would make them happiest. All that stuff about cognitive bias and self-justification happens even to the most self-examining person.

    However, and this is the most important bit, the ethical and respectful thing to do is take a person at their word.

  3. Also, horror movies or roller coasters are best for a first date, because the brain sees that your heart is racing and assumes it’s because of the person you’re on a date with.

  4. Kim: I don’t expect people to know what’s best for them, but I expect them to know what’s best for them as an individual better than anyone else does. Since, you know, everyone else has all the same cognitive biases AND doesn’t have the benefit of personal experience.

  5. Unsolicitede chocolate update 2: Do your worst, MRAs and PUAs! You’ll never be able to destroy the goodness of a world which contains dark rum and raisin chocolate!!!!!!! and kitties, of course

  6. Magpie’s got the right idea.

  7. I raise your chocolate with a glass of whole milk and some peanut butter toast. NOM NOM NOM.

  8. Kim: I don’t expect people to know what’s best for them, but I expect them to know what’s best for them as an individual better than anyone else does. Since, you know, everyone else has all the same cognitive biases AND doesn’t have the benefit of personal experience.

    That is true enough that it works most of the time, but there are times when people can benefit from an outside perspective. E.g. a therapist or a reality check from a good friend or family member – someone who, through lots of talking and shared experience, does have personal experience with the person. We have all sorts of mental-protective measures that our brain takes when we’re thinking about ourselves that we don’t have when we’re thinking about someone else.

    The main thing is that the outside person should never be a self-interested would-be-dater. They should always accept that the person knows better than they do.

    (NB: I have been reading “Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts” by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson. It’s quite fascinating the mind games we play with ourselves to stay sane)

  9. Ever get the impression that MRAs resent dating but tolerate it for the potential of getting laid? It almost seems they would rather pick women out of a catalogue. . .except that gets in the way of the competition many of them seem to be having with each other to pick up the “hottest” woman present wherever they’ve going to do this stuff.
    It would seem that in order to satisfy their goals they would do “better (*snark*) to hire prostitutes but that conflicts with their need to not feel like they have to pay for sex. . .these guys are unicorn hunters! I get it now! Like the couples who want to meet “hot bi babes!”
    I sit enlightened.
    .

  10. If he has trouble dating (whatever he considers that to be), maybe he should try some other people thing – making new friends, maybe, or competing in sport or scrabble, or travelling to a place very different from his home. Lots of different relationships with people can be rewarding.

    Bliss out with chocolate, or peanut butter toast as preferred. Highly recommended – cuddle a bunny rabbit.

  11. @Ozy

    That’s part of what’s so funny about the PUA thing. Social psychology does study how attraction works and how people pair up, and I have yet to see a single finding that supports PUA ideas about dating. For example, no matter how often Roissy claims this to be the case, it does not show that scaring the crap out of women makes them attracted to you.

  12. Another fatal flaw in exclusively asking men for relationship advice:

    You know, I’ll just let Luvvie take over from here because she can go in a lot better than I can: http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2012/09/no-country-for-janky-relationship-experts-ever.html

  13. Ever get the impression that MRAs resent dating but tolerate it for the potential of getting laid?

    Yes, absolutely. It must be agony being a heterosexual misogynist, because they must spend their entire lives trying to suppress or “rationalize away” perfectly natural urges.

    As for this notion that a woman’s opinion is irrelevant when it comes to dating… well, I may be going out on a limb here, but I’d lay money on the notion that this guy has never had a date with anyone ever. Certainly not a successful one.

    After all, what is dating except an opportunity to exchange opinions with someone (not necessarily verbal ones) in order to see if you’re compatible? What’s the difference between what appears to be his notion of the perfect date and an inflatable sex doll, aside from the warmth and texture?

    Oh, and I’ve just read the comments. Dear God – I’d have been embarrassed to have conversations like that when I was fourteen, and I’m guessing these guys are at least twice that.

  14. @ Wetherby

    Yeah, my urge to rip them to verbal shreds is being tempered by the fact that I’m so terribly embarrassed for them.

  15. In one throwaway comment, Mr Black Pill summarises the inane nonsense that constitutes the MRM:

    “One of the ways that feminism controls everything”

  16. This Omega dude’s attitude makes me think that he’s convinced that there is some Pavlovian response possible from women. That if he does the right action then this will bypass any choice or consciousness that women have and they will sleep with him as some kind of automatic reaction.

    As in “wave money under woman’s nose and her vagina will automatically lubricate itself”.

    I feel icky having just typed that.

  17. @Historophilia

    They treat women like vending machines. They try to find the perfect combination of buttons to push to get the desired result. This simultaneously works to illustrate that they a) do not view women as people and b) think we are all exactly the same and that if you hit A3 every time, you’re going to get your Snickers bar every time. Except hey, now you’re at the gas station vending machine and A3 isn’t Snickers, in fact it isn’t even candy, it’s pretzels! Women are such bitches!!

  18. mildlymagnificent

    I realise that sisters, workmates, cousins, mothers, neighbours and relatives of male friends may not be dating prospects in themselves, but don’t any of these men take notice of the women in their lives that they’d never have any sexual interest in?

    I s’pose they’re just nags who point out issues of hygiene or grooming or table manners or other irrelevant trivia. Clearly not the sort of people who would be any help at all with advice or information about how best to get along with other women. Presumably there’s no need to “get along with” someone who’s merely a potential sex toy.

  19. Creative Writing Student

    @blitzgal

    And then you get the vending machines that say they’re snickers on A3, and have all been snickers on A3, but for some reason today when you press A3 you get a mars bar.

    This is also a revelation for the vending machine.

  20. Then sometimes you pay your money, successfully choose an option, and your snack gets stuck! Women.. always stealing your monehs.

  21. I suppose after classes today and after I buy all of my books for this semester, I’ll go downtown somewhere and get some pho.

  22. I’ve got to say that, as great as the metaphor is, the gentlemen we have trolling here aren’t even at the level of “insert money and press specific button to receive advertised product in mutually beneficial arrangement.” That would imply the ability to admit value and navigate consent.

    They’re more like the drunk undergrads who, violently resentful of the fact that the vending machine does not respond to shakes, threats, punches and bent pieces of metal wire in lieu of coins, proceed to knock it over and destroy it because they think they deserve free candy. And anyway, it’s not like the vending machine was bolted to the floor or anything. Oh, it was? GATEKEEPER BITCH.

  23. Too true. Or they’re the type who tries sticking their hand up into the machine to see what they can grab.

  24. My vending machine contains only pretzels and Nutrigrain bars. Trufax.

  25. Creative Writing Student

    You can’t get anything into or out of my vending machine. You just have to stroke the flap a few times. :( Not that I mind flap-stroking, but I guess soemtimes people really want chocolate?

  26. An Inconvenient Truth

    “Roissysphere gamers” are misogynist assholes who preach a mixture of manipulation and date-rapery to their readers.

    Repeating a lie doesn’t make it true, Futterball.

    The irony here is that you have so much more in common with that Omega loser than you care to admit. You are both proud members of the physically repuslive dregs of (alleged) manhood who resent game. Of course you’ll never be honest about the envy you feel towards men who get quality pussy on the regular, so you’ll paradoxically try to denigrate PUA success as either being “rapey” or “feminist-controlled” depending on your political affiliation. In the end, both of your viewpoints are just different flavors of player-hatin’.

  27. Truthie with more projection.

  28. In the end, both of your viewpoints are just different flavors of player-hatin’.

    For today’s lecture on “How to be Taken Seriously on the Internet,” we will discuss how the term “player-hatin’” immediately destroys your credibility. Tomorrow’s quiz will be on projection.

  29. Creative Writing Student

    Don’t hate the playa, hate the fact that the playa is an arse who projects all the time. And the Game.

  30. So, how exactly is “pussy” graded for quality? Is that under the auspices of the USDA?

  31. Oh troof. *pat pat* Bless your freeze-dried little heart.

    Please, tell us more about the quality and frequency of our sexual contact. It doesn’t come off as projection at all.

  32. An Inconvenient Truth

    Please, tell us more about the quality and frequency of our sexual contact.

    By that “our” I take it you count yourself among the physically repuslive dregs of (alleged) manhood who resent game?

    If Vegas gave odds, I doubt many would take the over for Jabba the Fut scoring attractive mid-20′s women.

  33. You know what? I am going to try to engage this fellow in good faith, b/c there IS such a thing as good dating advice.

    We will see how it goes.

  34. If Vegas gave odds, I doubt many would take the over for Jabba the Fut scoring attractive mid-20′s women.

    Truthy, that you think that is the only possible measure of being a successful man is just really fucking sad.

    We need better trolls, guys. At this point all they’re inspiring is pity.

  35. If Vegas gave odds, I doubt many would take the over for Jabba the Fut scoring attractive mid-20′s women.

    I was going to try to respond to this in an arch and amusing way, but I just feel really sad instead. It’s emitting waves of loneliness and resentment that are actually physically palpable.

    Dude, you don’t have to live like this. I am actually feeling really sad for you. Could you go back to trolling, or maybe take a break for a bit?

  36. @drst, sniped. And even THAT is not as amusing as it should be.

  37. Troof, by that ‘our’ I mean that I count myself among the men who post on this website and generally agree with what Dave posts.

    And yes, good, tell me more about my sex life. Love it, definitely building more credibility. Keep going!

    drst:

    We need better trolls, guys. At this point all they’re inspiring is pity.

    Yeah I go back and forth on troof. Generally my pity for him builds as he continues to post.

  38. Creative Writing Student

    Why does faux-Al Gore just assume that everyone is attracted to conventionally attracted women in their mid-twenties?

    I’m not. I am too straight for that.

  39. Speaking of breaking vending machines because entitlement, I heard of someone in my high school a year or two after I graduated who poured a great deal of soapy water into a Coke machine because he’d heard that would make it dispense its entire inventory. He broke the Coke machine and had to work the cost off. Dumbass.

    You can’t get anything into or out of my vending machine. You just have to stroke the flap a few times. :( Not that I mind flap-stroking, but I guess soemtimes people really want chocolate?

    … I’m sorry, I appear to have lost the thread of the metaphor.

  40. Ah, so the only sex that counts is when it happens between hot people. I’m with drst, you’re tremendously a sad and pathetic human being.

  41. Creative Writing Student

    @Falconer

    I think I did too…

  42. … I’m sorry, I appear to have lost the thread of the metaphor.

    Which was meant as a mild joke and not a demand for anyone to justify themselves to me. Sorry if it came off that way.

  43. Upon no related matter at all, I’d like to pet the kitty in your icon, CWS, but its expression worries me.

  44. Whoops, I switched two words in my previous post.

  45. “Hello. I find you attractive. According to a scientific study done by men, I am behaving in a way which means I will be successful with women. I am performing perfectly and meeting all of the criteria. Shall we proceed to the sex?”

  46. Creative Writing Student

    @Falconer

    Do not pet Kamineko. :P

  47. Creative Writing Student

    I mean, I think he’s cute, but I have a warped sense of cute.

    (“OMG! It’s a tentacle monster! D’aww, lookit the cute lil’ suckers….” “What cute little ooozing it does!” There is something wrong with me.)

  48. @Creative Writing Student: I do the same thing. Snakes are adorable, octopi look like the snuggliest animals ever, Cthulhu is just too damn cute, and my cat is the sweetest thing ever even when he’s burying his teeth and claws in my skin.

  49. @CWS & lauralot:

    It sounds like you two would appreciate the majestic pangolin.

  50. Truthy, are you going to tell us why you find consensual sex to be the most repulsive thing EVAR yet? And please also explain how you denigrating consent a) makes you not a rapey PUA and b) means you have hordes of attractive mid-20s women beating down your door.

    Or is it that you assume every woman who is disgusted by you is also secretly playing the ‘non-consent is sexy’ game too?

    Sorry champ, we’re not.

  51. An Inconvenient Truth

    Troof, by that ‘our’ I mean that I count myself among the men who post on this website and generally agree with what Dave posts.

    So that’s a yes, then? Good for you. Now go post some kitty clips to strengthen your mangina cred.

    Anyway, ebonics-mocking aside (how racist!), what is notably absent from all these responses is the slightest disagreement with my estimation of Rotundave’s sex ‘life’ as abysmal. And really, I don’t blame you all for failing to even try. You know as well as I do that his chins are far more likely to drip with comfort food grease than pussy juice on any given evening.

  52. Troof there are sounds coming out of your mouth but they have nothing to do with anything.

    I was only talking about my own sex life, about which I am well-informed. Why would I know anything about Dave’s sex life? Isn’t that pretty much none of my business? Did he post about it? Why are you talking about anybody’s sex life?

  53. Why would we disagree about something we know absolutely nothing about? We’re not MRA’s.

  54. Not only are we not in a position to comment on David’s sex life, since we don’t know anything about it, it’s also completely fucking irrelevant because a person’s validity is not determined by how many or how few people they rub genitals with.

    But hey, at least any woman David slept with would be consenting, which is indicative of a person’s worth and decency, unlike you Truthy, you big fucking rapist.

  55. Creative Writing Student

    D’aww pangolin! Need to cuddle it. :D

  56. Pangolins! I want a giant one I can ride like a horse, that would be epic.

    (Also, must resist the urge to turn everything into a D&D/game reference and bore everyone to death endlessly… Resssiisstttt).

  57. Creative Writing Student

    @ShadetheDruid

  58. Huh. Troof sounds really angry. I guess the troof hurts.

  59. also can I just say that while the off-the-rails thought train where Mr. Inconceivable decides that the pronunciation ‘troof’ is the sole domain of ebonics (and never toddlers or chavs) so that he can be fake-offended at my ‘racism’ is not necessarily worthy of mention, it is fairly precious so here’s a hat tip.

  60. timetravellingfool

    @ ozy- omg, is my excellent blood pressure getting in the way of my love life?

  61. Since we’re on weird cute animals, here is a video of an armadillo taking a bath.

    Armadillos are awesome.

    Also what the hell are ebonics? Sounds like a piece of musical jargon (like “harmonics”.)

    In addition, as someone from south london, I can assure you that the apparent inability to pronounce “th”s spans the ethnic spectrum.

    Annoying chavvy teenagers of every possible hue say “troof” and “somefing” and “ting” and it drives me insane.

    But I can confirm that it is not just the black kids doing it.

  62. Pangolin! It looks like an adorable cross between a sloth and an armadillo, covered in artichoke leaves, MUST SNUGGLE.

  63. Seriously, trolls who think “OMG UR FAT” is a winning rhetorical argument. That’s what we’re reduced to. *shakes head*

    For the record, from now on I’m going to imagine Truthy as this guy:

  64. @Historophilia
    “Ebonics” is a not terribly polite way of referring to what is otherwise known as African American Vernacular English.

  65. @Historophilia

    Ebonics is a term used to describe American English as spoken by people of colour.

    As a side note, can we not use ‘chav’? It’s pretty classist.

  66. nat, yeah, that’s fair and I should know better — I don’t have too much exposure to the word where I live so it’s easier to be cavalier.

    When I started using ‘Troof’ as a nickname for guyface, I was thinking of the babytalk connotation anyway.

  67. Cheers inurashii.

    By the way if anyone needs future brain bleach, I’ve been stuck on Dog Shaming all day at work. But I am definitely never ever ever getting a dog now.

  68. Africa be hogging all the Pangolin snuggles to themselves. No fair. X(

    In other news, NWOslave can’t stop projecting his kinks all over the threads, and Inconvenient Truth is still suffering from a chronic inability to look up ‘truth’ in a dictionary. And I made Buckeye Balls for a friend’s birthday. Anybody want some?

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