US Army Brig. General charged with rape. Who’s to blame? According to The Spearhead, it’s women.

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A Brigadier General in the US Army has been charged with rape. Well, actually, Brig. General Jeffrey Sinclair has been charged with a veritable laundry list of offenses, as set forth in an Army press  release, among them

forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, attempted violation of an order, violations of regulations by wrongfully engaging in inappropriate relationships and misusing a government travel charge card, violating general orders by possessing alcohol and pornography while deployed, maltreatment of subordinates, filing fraudulent claims, engaging in conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman and engaging in conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

While details are still sketchy, the charges apparently involve misconduct with several female subordinates.

Over on The Spearhead, W.F. Price bravely takes on the real villain here: women. Apparently their mere presence in the Armed Forces is enough to provoke male soldiers and generals alike to rape them and, while they’re at it, to buy booze and porn, mistreat their subordinates and rack up unauthorized purchases on government issued charge cards.  In a post with the title “How’s that Women in the Military Thing Going Now?” Price gets right to the heart of the matter:

I suspect that the more combat-oriented environment an environment is in the military, the more likely these problems with women are to come about. For one thing, fighting men are more passionate by nature, and then there’s the fact that these men also turn women on more.

Yes, because when male soldiers rape female soldiers, the problem lies with woman in uniform getting “turned on” by men in uniform.

A forward base in hostile territory is not likely to have the same atmosphere as an assignment stateside. The sense of danger actually tends to make people more sexually charged, or so I’ve heard from those who survived battles and sieges on the Eastern Front in WWII, where female-operated AA batteries behind the front lines became de-facto brothels.

Of course, male soldiers are also known to rape civilian women, so by Price’s logic women should neither serve in the military, nor not serve in the military. In times of war, they should just do all us dudes a favor and cease to exist at all.

If not, well, women just need to face up to the danger of “hanky panky” that their mere existence creates:

[O]ur personnel are serving in a remote Muslim country with no access to local females to speak of, and things are bound to happen. As to whether Sinclair “forced” anything on anybody, we don’t know at this point, and it seems unlikely, but it isn’t surprising at all that some forbidden hanky-panky may have occurred.

At this point, virtually all we know about the alleged crimes here is contained in that laundry list of charges I posted above. Yet someone Price is able to deduce that Sinclair is likely to be innocent here. Evidently Price is convinced that anyone who is a “real combat general” and who has “earned a number of awards related to combat arms and parachuting” is someone who is to be implicitly trusted.

In the comments, the Spearhead regulars offer their own unique takes on the issues of women in the military.

Keyster seems to dream of a day when women can not only be kicked out of the military but also out of pretty much everything else as well, except presumably the kitchen:

It’s not safe to work or serve with women.

The potential for trouble is way too high.

Once they invaded the workplace the last vestige of male only space was the military. Now even this is no longer true. I don’t know where men can go and work with other men without female interference anymore. Even if you own your own business, the government forces you to hire them…and invest in all manner of special female accommodations, like breast pumping stations and tampon dispensors.

Ironically the safest “male only” space is a Gay Bar. And even then curious women wander in to meddle and cause disruption.

Numnut drops some biotruths on us all:

Appears women are very horny once a month and will have sex with the most aggressive male available to them at that time.This re-enforces the “thinking with the vagina” theme that a women herself espoused.

Now that the lawz have given wymyn free pass to act out their base animals nature,no man is safe from the Whiplash regret post-sex.(ref to OT)

No doubt these milfem cursors were ovulating and thinking with the gash when they asked to be screwed.

The proper thing for the law to do is recognize this animal instinct and either regulate wymyns behaviors of legalize male sexuality again.

Women want it both ways,a rough man for sex,and prison for rough men.

Jean Valjean hopes that this case will help to expose women for being the filthy sluts they really are:

The question on my mind is will this man fight the charges and reveal the sexual nature of many women in the military or will he go meekly to his fate?

A commenter with the highly ironic name Reality offers up this bit of secondhand shitthatneverhappened.txt.

There was a guy who had been in the military who told me that in actual warfare when the bombs start dropping & the gunfire starts coming at them in an actual combat situation, women just throw down their guns and start running screaming like they would do any other situation.

We’re doomed. All so we can pretend ‘women are just the same as women’ [sic] – that’s more important to all these idiots that run this country & half the idiot population than the security of the country. It’s that way in any situation in life- this political correctness & diversity shit is becomes more important than success, life or death- you name it. In that sense it’s like drugs or alcohol addiction – you throw away your whole life for this one stupid, trivial thing.

Equality: Stupid and Trivial.

I learn new things every time I read The Spearhead.

For some actual facts on the epidemic of rape in the military see:

Leon Panetta: Military’s handling of rape is an “outrage.”

Naomi Wolf: A culture of coverup: rape in the ranks of the US military

Victims say military condones rape

Rape in the Military: America’s Dirty Little Secret

New military rape lawsuit filed

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Posted on September 29, 2012, in antifeminism, evil women, men who should not ever be with women ever, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, rape, reactionary bullshit, the spearhead, victrim blaming and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 690 Comments.

  1. Otis sarcastically addressed two of the dozens of points made against him with pointless, derailing bullshit!

    Everybody go home, he won the argument.

  2. @Military discussion- one of my uncles was one of the founding programmers involved in developing the Darpanet (not sure about the spelling)- the precursor to the Internet. He’s a big guy, doesn’t look at all like the kind of guy who would be in the military. My other uncle was a radio operator in Vietnam and he singlehandedly saved his platoon from being blown up because he was fucking good at his job- he didn’t have to be the “gun guy” to be valuable. My cousin on my mom’s side of the family has done tours of Kuwait, Iraq and Kosovo. He’s now finally hit sergeant rank and has done intense training in learning several other languages, hoping to do interpreter work for his country, even though he’s got the kind of body type/shape that would make you think he’s a “gunz-a-blazin” sort of guy.

    I think it’s bullshit to use the military (especially the infantry) to justify this ridiculous weird idea that military is basically GI Joe running around punching Nazis in the face.

    I blame video games like Metal Gear and Metal Slug teaching people that the military is all about running in with guns and rambo man chest muscles heaving with sweat. First person shooters and decades of movies that portray the military this way really aren’t helping this perception by people who aren’t acquainted with what the military does, either.

    *shrug* There’s a big difference between being part of military stuff and being one of those obnoxious people who buys shit from the army surplus store and runs around with a hunting rifle shouting “MURICA!”

  3. Mmmmmyeah, Otis don’t know shit. Should I even bother refuting his absurd claims?
    I won’t touch the rape discussion, because it has never happened to me and I am not qualified to opine on it in any way.
    But the Muslim women comment, uh huh. Muslim women are just *naturally* submissive, you guys! It couldn’t be the fact that there’s systemic, brutal punishments in place for any Muslim woman who steps out of line, oh no! It’s just that Muslim women are naturally dominated by Muslim men, you see.
    See, I can be sarcastic, too.
    In all seriousness, though, that woman faces severe life threatening punishment if she is found.

    I think it’s bullshit to use the military (especially the infantry) to justify this ridiculous weird idea that military is basically GI Joe running around punching Nazis in the face.

    :D:D:D You made my day with this comment!

  4. @Tosca-

    That reminds me of some really awesome Wonderwoman comics over at Hark! A Vagrant!

    “I don’t hate men. I hate EVERYONE.”

    http://www.harkavagrant.com/nonsense/wonderwoman328.png

    “Straight up Nazi fightin’.”

    http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=275

  5. But the Muslim women comment, uh huh. Muslim women are just *naturally* submissive, you guys! It couldn’t be the fact that there’s systemic, brutal punishments in place for any Muslim woman who steps out of line, oh no! It’s just that Muslim women are naturally dominated by Muslim men, you see.

    First of all, your comment is racist.

    Second of all, where are all of the civilizations where women oppress men? Women are just as strong and intelligent as men, so why are there no cultures where they oppress men the same way men oppress women in, I don’t know… every fucking known society that has ever existed?

  6. Ahahaha! In a country where women can’t even show their eyes in public for fear of rape and the lash Otis wants to talk about how muslim women dominate men!!! Ahahahaha! You know, if that were the case, I have a feeling the women might like to dress in a way that let’s them at least see the world. And what is it about Muslim women in particular that makes them so dominating you white knighting white supremacist? Do you have any idea the number of men I’ve come across that couldn’t lift and carry what I do? And I’m just five feet tall.

  7. In a country where women can’t even show their eyes in public for fear of rape and the lash

    Iran is not Afghanistan. Your comment indicates that you think all Muslim countries are the same. That’s racist.

  8. Why hasn’t the troll answered my questions about lynching and gay bashing and wedgies!? I wanna knoooooow!

    *stamps feet, sending snake into a tizzy* *apologizes to snake* *realizes she is talking to a deaf reptile*

  9. Uh oh, otis hast been doing his misandry homework. Otis, plenty of men are getting the shit beat out of them by their wives and girlfriends. But because of people like you, they have a hard time being taken seriously enough to be given the help they need.

    I know four guys in my building who’ve had abusive wives and girlfriends.

  10. But the Muslim women comment, uh huh. Muslim women are just *naturally* submissive, you guys! It couldn’t be the fact that there’s systemic, brutal punishments in place for any Muslim woman who steps out of line, oh no! It’s just that Muslim women are naturally dominated by Muslim men, you see.

    Where, exactly, is the racism? This appears to be sarcasm, mocking your assumption that women don’t fight back simply because they are weak and inferior.

    So, please…what about this is racist?

  11. I’m being called racist by a white supremacist. That’s rich!

    And yes, she was being told by the cleric, who has the authority of law on her side, to cover her eyes, my dear.

  12. Sorry, that should be “the authority of law on HIS side..”

  13. Uh….so why does Otis seem to think that the fact that the more educated and advanced human society gets, the more our intelligent and enlightened human members of society try to build an egalitarian society where everyone is treated with basic decency, rights to bodily autonomy, and various social programs in place to protect, serve and support everyone from the most vulnerable to the most privileged…that this is all bad? Why SHOULD women want to enslave men as “retaliation” against generations of oppression and shit-treatment by previous generations of men? What exactly would that prove? Exactly how would that make things better? It would just be the same bullshit, different victim, and that’s not ok.

    I think that a lot of this has to do with the misogynist assumption that the “goal” of feminism is to TAKE OVER the patriarchy and replace it with a matriarchy- but that would be just as bad. It does, however, make a lot of sense as to why MRAs behave the way they do. They honestly believe that reinstating the patriarchy is essential to keep men from being “enslaved” by feminists.

  14. @Pillow

    Women in Iran actually don’t usually wear the veil, and it is not legally mandated.

  15. @pillowinhell,

    It would seem that racism is when Otis misinterprets your comment and assumes things about your meaning (which the rest of us read as sarcasm), but it is NOT racism to actively say that it’s all liberal hoo-ha to believe that black people are as smart as white people.

    Isn’t that lovely.

  16. I’m also really missing something with the whole violence = superiority thing. I mean, when a dog is violent, it’s put down. And we castrate and muzzle the ones likely to become violent. Should this be a template for how we treat men? Inquiring minds!

    Re: Iran. Yes, Iran is a different country. The issues with women’s dress are a bit complicated there. Burqa and niqab (both cover the face) are not required. Chador is typical (it’s like a longer, more depressing standard headscarf), but the plain headscarf is acceptable. For a nice and entertaining overview of the history, I suggest Marjane Satrapi’s Persepolis

  17. Oh my! My apologies. Me thinks I had better read a little more to make such a stupis error.

  18. Why hasn’t the troll answered my questions about lynching and gay bashing and wedgies!? I wanna knoooooow!

    I’ve got dozens of people demanding answers to inane questions and am unable to promptly respond to all of them. I ask you to be patient

    Was your question about whether nerds and gays are inferior or something? The answer is no.

    Do you have to bench 300lbs to operate software? To drive a remote-controlled robot? To direct air traffic? To keep personnel files?

    So thanks to technology developed almost exclusively be men women are marginally less useless in the modern world then they were for the first 5000 years of human civilization. A little gratitude would be nice

    So, please…what about this is racist?

    You are implying that Islamic societies are more misogynistic than western ones. That’s racist and Islamophobic.

    Uh….so why does Otis seem to think that the fact that the more educated and advanced human society gets, the more our intelligent and enlightened human members of society try to build an egalitarian society where everyone is treated with basic decency, rights to bodily autonomy, and various social programs in place to protect, serve and support everyone from the most vulnerable to the most privileged…that this is all bad?

    Are you saying that Western societies are more advanced than non western ones? That’s racist.

  19. Yeah, I was being sarcastic. And pardon me if I’m not absolutely crushed by the neo-Nazi calling me racist.
    It doesn’t even have to be Muslim, per se. If I lived in a country where deviating even slightly from strict norms of dressing and acting could get me beaten or killed, I probably wouldn’t bother fighting back. My family, my neighbors and all the law would be against me. Even other women, as enraged for me as they might be inside, would be too afraid of sanctions against themselves or their families to stand with me. It has nothing to do with being naturally submissive. Otis seems to think patriarchy is just the right, natural way of things. That women are subjugated because we allow and like it.
    If that is so, why does it take such strict measures to ensure compliance? You’d think nary a woman would even HAVE to be beaten or threatened, she’d just happily comply.

  20. Was your question about whether nerds and gays are inferior or something? The answer is no.

    But both groups are subject to physical violence. So, clearly they’re inferior, by your logic. So the obvious question is why don’t you consider them inferior?

  21. ooh, “we hunted the mammoth”! Can I get a bingo?

  22. It is seriously pretty hilarious that anyone believes, in the face of all anthropological evidence, that social organization for most of human history was anything but “everyone hunts in hunting season, everyone fishes in fishing season, and everyone gathers in gathering season.”

  23. Gays are assaulted because they are outnumbered by a huge margin by normal people.

    There are no government committees to protect the status of nerds. Nerds are only victimized in middle school and then everybody grows up. Women need to be protected by male predators for their entire lives and the only people who can protect them are other men.

    You’d think nary a woman would even HAVE to be beaten or threatened, she’d just happily comply

    There is no government laws oppressing women in America, and yet men still dominate all levels of business and government. Patriarchy absolutely does not need gov coercion, it arises naturally everywhere there is humans because women aren’t strong enough to protect themselves from men.

    It doesn’t even have to be Muslim, per se.

    Oh that’s convenient. It doesn’t have to be Muslim, it just happens to be. Your racism sickens me.

  24. Also, seriously, what is with MRAs coming over here to try to catch people up on ableism or racism?

    Pro tip: when you’re a member of a hate movement, you don’t have the authority to call people out on social justice issues.

  25. Gays are assaulted because they are outnumbered by a huge margin by normal people.

    Also maybe because people think of them as not “normal”?

    Nerds are only victimized in middle school and then everybody grows up.

    “Child abuse is okay because it only happens to children.” Most. Bulletproof. Argument. Ever.

    There is no government laws oppressing women in America

    Haha how about laws prohibiting women in combat roles?

    Also, for real, have you watched the news in the last two years? At all?

    Oh that’s convenient. It doesn’t have to be Muslim, it just happens to be. Your racism sickens me.

    If racism actually sickened you, you wouldn’t be a white supremacist. I know you’re being all clever and thinking you’re winning some rhetorical game, but we all know you’re a hateful asshole, so why not just be honest about it?

  26. So thanks to technology developed almost exclusively be men women are marginally less useless in the modern world then they were for the first 5000 years of human civilization. A little gratitude would be nice

    Everything about this sentence is ridiculous. Everything.

    The assumption that women are not inventors or innovators, the complete disregard of the ways in which women have always — ALWAYS — done their part to uphold society, and the entitled notion that you personally deserve any gratitude for doing dick-all for women when you’ve demonstrated little capability of doing so.

    Also, you’re basically trying to derail the fact that the statement was addressing a totally difficult point that you don’t seem to have retained the wherewithal to defend.

    But then, derailing is all you have, isn’t it?

  27. Aw, I missed Otis making a fool of himself for hours last night! And it was my comment about women earning medals for valor that set him off, too. At least I got here in time to see him start accusing “racism”… pretty rich from a guy who said that he “doesn’t accept that blacks are as intelligent as whites.” Racist, misogynist, and apparently hopelessly confused–this guy is the whole package!

  28. Stumbled over words there, but any of you who were going to understand my point in the first place likely got it.

  29. So thanks to technology developed almost exclusively be men women are marginally less useless in the modern world then they were for the first 5000 years of human civilization. A little gratitude would be nice

    Yeah, ladies, why aren’t you expressing your unending devotion to MIGHTY OTIS, who apparently single-handedly sustained civilization for five thousand years before graciously inventing modern computing so your weak little lady-arms could do something useful?

    Seriously, bro, when you don’t know shit about history, it is really not advisable to mouth off about history.

  30. Also, seriously, what is with MRAs coming over here to try to catch people up on ableism or racism?

    It’s derailing. That’s all any of it is.

    They have no actual arguments of substance to support their hateful opinions, so their only viable tactic is to try to control the conversation.

  31. Trying to derail the conversation by insisting that words mean only what THEY want them to mean, no less.

  32. There is no government laws oppressing women in America, and yet men still dominate all levels of business and government.

    You do realize that the reason men are heavily overrepresented in business and politics isn’t because they can beat up women, right? Like, you keep trying to act like the average man’s ability to overpower an average woman is indicative that men are totes better in every way, but it’s not like you have to wrestle your opponent to the ground to win a political race.

  33. Well otis maybe you can explain to us how women are supposed to know which men are rapists, seeing as most rapists are people we are dating or know. Oh wait, we’re all supposed to sit at home crocheting doilies while daddy goes to work right? That how many white supremacists think right?

  34. Otis the Shitty has the stones to call people here racist? How very.

  35. women have always — ALWAYS — done their part to uphold society

    Besides functioning as glorified birth machines women have done nothing to uphold society. Didn’t build the housing, hunt the food, develop the technology or fight the wars. I guess they helped with some of the farm work but no more so then the animals that men domesticated. So aside from children women have historically had done about as much for society as mules have. Probably less, actually.

    I always laugh when I hear guys say things like, “If women ran the world, we’d still be churning butter”. Women would never have developed the technology to churn butter.

    Haha how about laws prohibiting women in combat roles?

    So women not being allowed in combat is why Microsoft and Apple were founded by men instead of women? Once women are allowed in combat roles will we finally see corporate giants founded and run by women?

  36. Why does it matter that gays are outnumbered? I mean, the bashing tends to be pretty individual.

    Also, what about lynching? I asked that last night too.

  37. You do realize that the reason men are heavily overrepresented in business and politics isn’t because they can beat up women, right?

    Men are mentally superior to women as well. They have a 3-5 point IQ advantage. They also have 7 times the testosterone (which makes them more aggressive and thus helps in the business world).

    I only bring up men’s physical superiority because the disparity is so stark and so obvious that most people outside of the libtard blogsphere don’t even bother to deny it, despite giving lip service to the idea that men and women are equal.

  38. @Otis

    Women hunted and continue to hunt in all known hunter-gatherer societies.

    Also, I love the amount of history knowledge you claim to have here. You know there are dozens of models for the domestication of animals, right? None of which even hazard a guess as to any gender roles might have contributed to this. Yet you, of all people, have somehow found out the whole truth of domestication! Quick man! Publish! Publish! Before you get scooped!

    So women not being allowed in combat is why Microsoft and Apple were founded by men instead of women?

    Nope, it is just one discrimatory government policy. There are also lots of discriminatory corporate policies. Remember the Walmart lawsuit?

    Once women are allowed in combat roles will we finally see corporate giants founded and run by women?

    I don’t know what planet you’re living on, but women already found and run corporate giants. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2011/womenceos/

  39. It does seem odd that someone who, as he said, is relatively weak, would use physical strength as the be-all and end-all of determining worth. Unless his purpose is to make himself feel better about not being able to compete physically with other men by making all men the same, and all women the same, so he can be strong by proxy.

    That’s exactly what it is. Notice how many times he flies into a snit-fit in response to evidence that women can be strong, brave, and tough. See, he’s not so weak if half the human population is even weaker. Other people’s weakness makes him strong!

    And if it becomes too obvious that women aren’t weak, and black people aren’t stupid, and so on…well, that just spoils everything for your average supremacist, doesn’t it?

    “Women have served all these centuries as looking-glasses possessing the magic and delicious power of reflecting the figure of man at twice its natural size.”

  40. Otis said:

    Some bullshit about male supremacy

    [Citation needed, fool]

  41. Also, what about lynching? I asked that last night too.

    First of all, blacks ARE inferior to whites, so that’s a stupid example. Second of all, blacks were totally disenfranchized in the American South so it was possible for whites to victimize them en masse.

    Lynchings stopped because well meaning white people put a stop to them. Blacks certainly didn’t finally figure out how to effectively defend themselves after a couple of hundred years of persecution.

  42. HEY OTIS, when I said:

    “Uh….so why does Otis seem to think that the fact that the more educated and advanced human society gets, the more our intelligent and enlightened human members of society try to build an egalitarian society where everyone is treated with basic decency, rights to bodily autonomy, and various social programs in place to protect, serve and support everyone from the most vulnerable to the most privileged…that this is all bad?”

    I was not mentioning Western society specifically. And even if I was, “Western” is not a race- there are people of all creeds, skin pigmentations, gender continuums and appearances who live in first world nations. To imagine that “western= white” is racist in and of itself, so that says far more about YOUR assumptions than my assertions.

    There are many second and third world nations taking great steps towards more enlightened and egalitarian social order. These things are not directly proportionate to the number of monotheistic rich heterosexual white men who bitch about their “burdan” of “civilizing” (ie: enslaving and taking advantage of) the rest of us.

  43. Heh. Let’s see your citations for those numbers there Sparky. And what’s your IQ, by the way?

  44. Yep, that Civil Rights Movement, all well meaning White people. White people turning fire hoses on White people. That’s what really struck me about it, how the Black people just sat back and let the White people run the movement.

  45. I was going to mock Otis, but all I really want is a good-faith dissenter.

    Otis, if you’re not going to have an honest discussion, please just go away.

  46. Hey, Otis, have you ever built a house, hunted food for a society, developed technology or fought wars? Have you ever worked on a farm (women not only “helped” with farm work; women have historically been the farmers; it’s only recently become a male-dominated area)? Have you ever raised a child? Do you run a corporate giant?

    Something tells me you haven’t, in which case you’re a lot more useless than most women by your own logic.

  47. Are … are we sure Otis isn’t a poe? I find it really hard to believe that somebody can spout this level of nonsense without feeling like he needs to back any of it up.

  48. So what are the odds on Otis having ever so much as picked up a text on anthropology? I think I would say zero. There are zero odds.

  49. I like this recent article about how computers were invented entirely by men and women inventors never faced discrimination, but just naturally failed because of their inferiority:

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/09/univac-the-troubled-life-of-americas-first-computer/

    On top of that, new management did not sympathize with EMCC’s female programmers, among them Grace Hopper, who by 1952 had written the UNIVAC’s first software compiler. “There were not the same opportunities for women in larger corporations like Remington Rand,” she later reflected. “They were older companies, and the jobs had been stereotyped.”

    …Hopper’s programming staff was now besieged with attractive offers from companies using IBM gear, creating a brainiac drain within EMCC itself. “Some members of Dr. Grace Hopper’s staff have already left for positions with users of IBM equipment,” Mauchly noted in a memo, “and those of her staff who still remain are now expecting attractive offers from outside sources.”

    [After leaving the UNIVAC project] Grace Hopper continued her work. She became an advocate of the assumption inherent in her UNIVAC compiler which she called “automatic” computing—the notion that programs should emphasize simple English words. Her compiler, later called FLOW-MATIC, understood 20 words.

    Her contemporaries patiently informed her that this number was enough. Hopper “was told very quickly that [she] couldn’t do this because computers didn’t understand English,” she later noted. Happily, she did not believe this to be true, and advised a team that developed the COBOL programming language, which she championed and furthered through the 1960s and 1970s.

    And that’s why you’re not reading this on a Remington computer.

  50. pretty sure Otis is our old pal Montgomery Clift…

  51. If you want to go with the (heavily problematic) paradigm of:

    Male -> hunter
    Female -> gatherer

    You’d logically end up with women being responsible for the domestication of plants. Who would be the better candidate in that paradigm? The male who spends his time chasing animals or the female who spends her time gathering and assessing the quality of plant matter?

    So, even if you want to go with a paradigm that has very rigid and totally unverifiable gender roles that totally supports a 1950s American division of labor, you’d end up with women being responsible for the plant-based staples of modern life, like wheat, rice, and corn.

    And for all the blathering the MRAs do about mammoth hunting, they might want to take a look at most books about human development. Meat did not built societies, grain did. The food surpluses and long-term storing of grain allows for individuals to specialize to non-food-gathering roles and allows them to refine, innovate, and develop the craft.

    (yes, I realize this is an over simplification of human development and that the paradigm mentioned above has lots of flaws. My point is to show that even with massively over-simplified tracing of human development and starting from a flawed position to begin with, you can end up with the total opposite over-the-top conclusion from the MRAs: women as architects of modern society)

  52. @Gametime

    Well, he may have picked one up if it was laying on top of a copy of Mein Kampf or something. I would put the odds of him opening though one at zero.

    @Alex

    And agriculture is only male-dominated in the “West”. Subsistence-level agriculture (aka the back-breaking stuff, not driving tractors) is still 50%+ women’s labor, depending on the location.

  53. I’m not sure. With his first “whites are superior to blacks” comment, I was thinking Pell because that level of obvious obnoxiousness is Pell-worthy, but apparently this guy came from Pandagon. He’s either a very persistent poe, or just a textbook hateful piece of shit with delusions of superiority over everyone who’s not him.

    Groups he’s spewed offensive rhetoric about include:

    Women
    Men who have experienced sexual assault
    Soldiers both male and female
    Blacks
    Jews
    Homosexuals
    Nerdy children

    I’m sure there will be more.

  54. Are … are we sure Otis isn’t a poe? I find it really hard to believe that somebody can spout this level of nonsense without feeling like he needs to back any of it up.

    He’s just desperate for attention from girls, the online equivalent of a flasher in the park. Whether or not he means any of it, the correct response is always to point and laugh.

  55. This racist troll isn’t Pell. captainbathrobe said he’s a handmedown from Pandagon. He has some kind of sad hate crush on Amanda, but she rejected him so now he’s pooping here.

  56. Yep, that Civil Rights Movement, all well meaning White people. White people turning fire hoses on White people. That’s what really struck me about it, how the Black people just sat back and let the White people run the movement.

    So Martin Luther King and his cohorts passed the legislation that ended segregation? Is that your position?

    I was not mentioning Western society specifically.

    Oh but I’m afraid you were. The status of women in developed non Western societies like Japan is much less than it is in western, particularly Anglo, countries.

    Something tells me you haven’t, in which case you’re a lot more useless than most women by your own logic.

    Personalizing the general. A common liberal tactic.

    My uncle is black and is a retired computer programmer. At age 50 something he’s already made more money than he’ll ever be able to spend. He’s probably smarter than anybody on this board and practically every white person I know. Doesn’t change the fact that AS A GROUP, blacks are dumb as a bag of hammers.

    Similarly, just because I know several women who are above 6’2, that doesn’t change the fact that women on average are 6 inches shorter than the average man.

    Liberals just don’t understand the concept of “exceptions”. To a liberal, one brilliant, strong, tall, brave, whatever woman proves that women are on average as good as men.

  57. Re the notion that civilization was built by White people.

    As one of my history professors once said (to my 98% white class), “Guys, while your ancestors were wearing animal skins and living in caves, swarthy, curly-haired people were building civilization.”

  58. fair!
    I was going by the insistence on using “female” instead of “woman”, the weird pompous declarations of his own “station”, and all the faux-facts. if it’s not Pell it’s a pretty good imitation anyway!

  59. @Nepenthe,

    That’s true as well, and even then the only reason that count for as high as %50 of farm labour is corporate giants going in and hiring men to grow cash crops, which has unfortunately displaced many women from their jobs.

  60. and by “good” I mean “heinous and nauseatingly similar”

  61. Liberals just don’t understand the concept of “exceptions”.

    and bigots just don’t understand the concept of “Confirmation Bias.”

  62. @Otis,

    So you have black cousins whom you refuse to meet, but a black uncle who’s A-Okay? Is it because your cousins are stupid (which you must totally know, having never met them and all)? Have you considered that maybe your black uncle is the exception in your family and maybe stupidity is just a trait in your family? It makes as much sense as saying blacks are stupid as a whole with few exceptions.

  63. And misogynistic white supremacists don’t understand the concept of “do your own work”. You don’t get to claim Muhammad Ali as an argument for your personal superiority just because you both have dicks. You don’t get to claim Marilyn Vos Savant as an argument just because you both have pale skin.

    They also don’t understand the concept of spectra, bell curves, and why their bases for claimed superiority are stupid and confirmation biases to boot.

  64. I find it absolutely laughable that men like Otis act like they can take credit for everything that anyone else who has a penis has done in the entirety of history.

    Are all of these guys seriously as deluded and stupid as Patrick Star?

    http://cheezburger.com/6626305536

  65. They also don’t understand the concept of spectra, bell curves

    Ironically it’s liberals who don’t understand Bell curves

    So you have black cousins whom you refuse to meet, but a black uncle who’s A-Okay?

    I only have one black cousin, and I really don’t hate blacks, I just think they’re stupid. I have no interest in meeting my black cousin but wouldn’t be opposed to meeting her if she wanted to come visit (they live on the other side of the country). Now Hispanics, on the other, they are a different story. I fucking hate Hispanics. When my Hispanic cousins came to visit I moved out of the house rather than meet them.

  66. I guess I’m a “racist” because I don’t think that Western societies are necessarily Anglo-only. Guess this guy either lives in a whites only gated community or wears blinders on a regular basis. Last time I checked, most places in the US have a high level of diversity.

    THESE WORDS. I DO NOT THINK THEY MEAN WHAT HE THINKS THEY MEAN.

  67. I’m here to throw down against the liberal fallacy that dogs have any redeeming social value. And to make fun of the racist troll, of course.

  68. Hispanics? Kay, adding that to the growing list of people Sweaty has horrible ideas about:

    Women
    Men who have experienced sexual assault
    Soldiers both male and female
    Blacks
    Jews
    Homosexuals
    Nerdy children
    Hispanics

  69. I’m not a “liberal” either. I identify as a Rational Empiricist. I do not fall into ideological worshiping at the alter of Democrats, Republicans or any political “party.”

    The idea that there’s supposed to be a black/white, either/or default here is just another tool of intellectual dishonesty employed by these MRAssholes.

  70. Otis is like, “I’m just not sure that I’ve flashed my ass enough in this thread. What if people think that I’m not an ignorant shithead? Let’s see, lack of basic understanding of history, check, rampant uninformed high-school biology level misogyny, check, sweeping stereotyping of black people even though I appear to know a tiny handful, ascribing bigotry to people with a straight face …

    OH! HISPANICS!”

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