What do women want? Ask a dude. Ask an awesome dude.
Oh, ladies, you poor, deluded ladies, so unaware of the basic facts about yourselves. If only you had an objective source for information on the mystery that is you! Happily, a Men’s Rights Redditor by the name of nigglereddit has decided to throw a giant clue your way:
You may want to step back and take a look at the entire thread here, especially nigglereddit’s original post about the different ways he and his wife have responded to being new parents, in which he mocks his wife for what sounds very much like undiagnosed postpartum depression, blaming her misery not on brain chemistry or sleep deprivation or any of a zillion other things that tend to stress out new mothers but on all those terrible women’s magazines and books and TV shows she reads and/or watches.
Also, he pats himself on the back for being a totally cool and awesome dude who handles both his job and his duties as a father in a super awesome way — way better than his wife handles her new motherhood — because he’s a man, damnit, and totally able to see the world in an objective way.
Needless to day, this meaty slab of misogynist shitthatneverthappened got dozens up upvotes from the r/mensrights regulars.
Thanks to r/againstmensrights for pointing me to this terrible post.
EDITED TO ADD:
Speaking of which, the good folks at r/againstmensrights have assembled these handy guides to the shittiest comments in the shitty r/mensrights thread. A-one and a-two.
Posted on September 26, 2012, in antifeminism, douchebaggery, dozens of upvotes, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, reddit, self-congratulation, shit that never happened and tagged anti-feminism, antifeminism, child-rearing, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, mras, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 549 Comments.
Mine are very fluffy and eternally cute, keep clean pretty well, and poo outside, but that’s about it.
Exactly! And they get caught up in the insecurity web that they have woven…
Want their girlfriend to be a virgin (most likely to satisfy non-negotiable #1, Unwaveringly loyal, even if I cheat, because, y’know, only a virgin could possibly be loyal), but want that virgin girlfriend to instantly transform into Jenna Jameson at sexytime-on-demand where they can then have head esplosions whilst wondering about the veracity of her virginity.
“Unwaveringly loyal, even if I cheat.
Will retain a trim figure through exercising and eating right.
Knows how to cook and is willing to do so every day.
Accepts that the entire damn house is my ‘man cave.’
Will enthusiastically perform any sex act immediately upon my request.
Keeps the house in order and sparkling clean.
Shuts the fuck up.
Non-educated and not politically minded.
Recognizes my need for bro time and alone time.
Bisexual and open to the idea of threesomes.
No children, past, present or future.
Virgin, but willing to learn.
Curtsies whenever I walk in the room.
Always dresses sexy.
HB10 as a minimum.
Tiptoes around so as not to wake me when I’m sleeping in.
Doesn’t waste my money on things I don’t want. ”
If this was the caliber of men around I’d honestly become a lesbian.
naira: Point of information, it’s a .22 caliber cartridge. A 22ga would be a lot larger (gauge being a measure of weight: the number of lead balls of that diameter which = 1 lb.).
A 20ga shotgun has a diameter of .615 inch, and a .22 caliber round is about 1/3rd that.
Home improvement tip: anyone can learn how to do most basic handyman stuff with a bit of desire to learn, the right tools and youtube/ehow.com
If worse comes to worst, Home Depot has a lot of knowledgable folks too.
I don’t see how having a penis is a requirement for any of those things.
That list makes kittens cry.
It has also borked my brain.
“Will enthusiastically perform any sex act immediately upon my request.”
“Virgin, but willing to learn.”
How do I logic?
Also don’t even get me started on:
“Non-educated and not politically minded.”
So you don’t want her to be literate and numerate? Dude, how’s she supposed to buy all that food and cleaning products if she can’t read and she can’t count? How’s she supposed to read recipes and measure stuff out?
MRA want self-starting blow-up dolls who will adore them and be their willing slaves. Not real women with real personalities and real ideas and real emotions, just blow-up dolls who cook and clean. This is why they dream of sex robots.
Well sex robots wouldn’t need to eat so that means they could never get fat! And would remain 18 for ever!
Why is it that MRA’s are so scared of women who are not super skinny and are older than about 21?
It makes sense that they want sex robots, because I don’t know a single person who would be ok with that list
I can’t really understand why someone would want to delineate ahead of time all the little traits their SO-of-the-future must have. I can’t even like the idea of it, let alone want to put it into practice and actually FIND someone who fits all the bullet points on my (nonexistent) list. Isn’t part of liking someone liking the opportunity to connect with a human being who isn’t YOU? (Or a clone of you, or a severely limited mental bookmark of [Other Person] created by you to fill an archetype like “girlfriend” or “wife” or “lover”…)
It’s thrilling to know that another person, another whole, unique, self-defined person who’s different from YOU, nevertheless finds you worthy of spending time with. You want to be surprised by them, you want to see all the ways in which they’re different from you because that proves that you are likable to someone who isn’t you (or head-clone-bookmark you). You’re attracted to them at least in part because you’re interested in their unique perspective on the world, so you’re pleased every time they make you think in a different way than you did before. If you pre-define everything that they have to be and do and think… you’re not connecting with a real person anymore. It’s just more YOU. And you might as well be alone in the universe.
I guess I just perceive relationships as an opportunity to broaden my own horizons and try new things, whereas it appears that Mojo just wants an opportunity to enforce order on his world in the form of a person. He doesn’t want his horizons to be broadened; he’d rather keep everything in his life under strict control, thanks.
It seems to me, though, that aside from things that one truly finds non-negotiable, which for me includes really basic things like respecting human life and dignity (in the form of not murdering/abusing/raping/etc.), the details should be left to the person whose personhood it is. So that they can show you the details, in the process of showing you who they really are.
“Accepts that the entire damn house is my ‘man cave.’”
Oh hell no. I decorate the house, and if my husband doesn’t like he can sleep outside. Men pretend not to care about this stuff, but you should see how proud my husband looks when guests compliment us on our beautiful home. And he is always the first to offer a grand tour.
“Curtsies whenever I walk in the room.”
From a list of stupid things, this stands out as ridiculously stupid.
And what is an HB10?
A Hot Babe who’s rated a 10 out of 10.
They do not appear to view it as creating a partnership with another human so much as purchasing a product or hiring an employee.
Is it any coincidence that a man with a list like this is also an MRA and incel? Thin bisexual virgin supermodels with no education aren’t falling out of the sky– THAT’S MISANDRY!
@Pecunium
Very easily I’m mis-remembering, then. Been a long time since I’ve had to use it.
Reading the post that the list comes from, I am just so glad this list was expressly created to avoid having to ever have a woman be interested in him.
Also:
“but only if you are a girl, cuz guys can do anything they want. Women can only have cats and not orgasms.”
When i read these dudes I always hear Emily Prentiss in my head now because of that Criminal Minds commercial.
“He’s not only anti-social, he’s probably delusional as well.” Emily P.
In the unlikely event that one of these slimeballs did get into a relationship* with a virginal woman, he’d end up complaining because she didn’t know how to do all the things he’s been watching on porn all these years.
*this is stretching the meaning of ‘relationship’ beyond all recognition
Also notice our
dear friendtroll sunshinemary showing up in the comments as “thewomanandthedragon.”Is she ever not going on about spinsters and such? What a creep.
I think Sunshine Mary is a dood. The way he/she linked to that “article” featuring a picture of a naked woman was just too much.
Here’s a disturbing bit from Mr. List:
It’s funny how he says this:
“Unwaveringly loyal, even if I cheat.”
And then this:
“promiscuity and suitability as relationship material are inversely correlated.”
And then this:
“I’m going to spend my days…banging sluts/hookers.”
None of which is contradictory because penis.
Oh silly Fembot, don’t you know that “promiscuity” is a word that only applies to women and their one-good-use-only vaginas?
How about:
“Bisexual and open to the idea of threesomes.”
“Virgin, but willing to learn.”
Now, let’s see. What’s incompatible about these two ideas?
1) “Bisexual”
2) “Virgin”
I leave it to you…
@bekabot
You can have a sexual orientation without sexual experience.
WRT “teh lits o thngs I deserf in a female”:
Boy do I feel sorry for his wife! I have a newborn right now and I would go batty without the support, help, and encouragement from hubby. There’s the physical recovery on top of virtually no sleep. Breast feeding is very demanding in the first weeks and omg how I need his support now more than ever! Do not envy this chick one bit. Just thought I’d share, thanks.
@lowquacks
I think the point is that in Mojo’s case bisexual doesn’t mean “prefers both genders,” but more likely means “willing to experiment with women for the purpose of turning me on.”
@Fembot
That’s probably what Mojo meant, but someone could certainly be a bisexual virgin who is open or not open to the idea of threesomes. There’s no contradiction there.
@Lowquacks
Yes, Absolutely.
Making unfounded assumptions about someone’s gender over the internet is kind of a shitty thing to do.
@ lowquacks
Yeah, I know, you can pull these two concepts into alignment. You can, if you work at it, but you have think it’s worth the effort first. Unlike the fellow who composed the list, I don’t think it’s worth the effort. It wouldn’t be worth the effort to me.
What I sense here, more than anything else, is yet another bullyrag at women intended to get us to work magic (of which we are incapable). Or to get us to be magic (worse yet). Often accompanied, oddly enough, by a sermon which revolves around the notion that we ought to stop putting our trust in miracles and forget about all the spirit rapping stuff, and accept the world as it is. But the world, as it is, does not abound in bisexual virgins. That’s the part of the exegesis which is left out, and which is left out consistently, which is weird, like I said.
@Gametime
Well I’m sorry if that offended you.
And I also wanted to point out that because someone’s name is Mary, or they have a female avatar, you shouldn’t necessarily assume they are a woman.
*ducks and covers*
So how many of the dudebros demanding a HB10 are the same ones yelling that they’re unfairly ignored because they’re betas that don’t look like Brad Pitt?
I’m guessing all of them. It’s all of them, right?
*waves* Hi. My name’s Emily. I’m bisexual. I’ve never had sex with anyone, of any gender.
Some people are bisexual. Everybody starts out as a virgin. Please don’t be one of the many, many people telling me I don’t exist.
That poor woman. Postpartum depression is terrible. I finished therapy for it around 3 months ago. If my husband wasn’t the amazing, incredible man he is, I can honestly say I wouldn’t have lived through it.
Time to go give him a hug, and maybe some action!
There are gay virgins, straight virgins, bi virgins, undecided virgins, curious virgins, asexual virgins.
I think is guy wants someone who is asexual until it comes to the sex act he needs done at that very moment (and even then, if she’s too enthusiastic he’ll probably accuse her of being a whore who’s done it before. Or be disgusted because she’s into something so inherently degrading — if it weren’t, virgnity wouldn’t be a virtue, after all).
*waves at emilyperson*
Thanks for making the point!
I think Sunshine Mary is a dood. The way he/she linked to that “article” featuring a picture of a naked woman was just too much.
I missed that. What was the justification for this linkage?
@ emilyperson
Emily, I’m sorry if I was offensive. Believe it or not, I know what you mean, b/c I was interested at an absurdly early age in things I didn’t know existed and which I didn’t have a name for. What I was doing was expressing my skepticism with the idea that when List Guy decided to set down his requirements, what he was thinking about was you. (Or any actual person, if it comes to that.)
Of course I could be wrong about that, and if I am wrong, my bad. No injury intended.
Friends?
Here it is, Pecunium.
“Zanana wrote:
here’s some anecdata: of the approximately 30 men I’ve boned, at least the last 20 weren’t hung up on low N’s
David Collard has responded to this silly assertion of Zanana’s that a woman can bone or screw a man. Warning: there is a picture of a nude woman in his post.
http://davidcollard.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/why-ladies-dont-screw/
From this thread
http://manboobz.com/2012/09/19/young-women-having-sex-with-guys-theyre-attracted-to-a-dire-threat-to-civilization-itself/
That list reminds me of this classic exchange from Raising Arizona:
Gale: All right, ya hayseeds, it’s a stick-up. Everybody freeze. Everybody down on the ground.
Feisty Hayseed: Well, which is it, young feller? You want I should freeze or get down on the ground? Mean to say, if’n I freeze, I can’t rightly drop. And if’n I drop, I’m a-gonna be in motion. You see…
@bekabot:
It’s okay. I’m sure his idea of a bisexual virgin is pretty hard to find. Even real-life “party bisexuals” are still, you know, people, not unusually warm and self-lubricating sex dolls. I don’t think this guy has an accurate picture of… well, anybody’s sexuality, but especially not of a bi woman who’s not doing it to get attention from men.
The best, uh, thought process I can come up with to explain the appeal of a bi-but-not-in-a-way-that-might-inconvenience-me girlfriend is
– Men are obviously better than women, because men can control women (when women don’t cheat and use The Power of Vag.) The only reason men date women is men like to be in control, but you can’t control another controller. Women are there for controlling.
– If a man’s woman looks at another man, another man has an opportunity to control her and her owner has lost some control.
– If a man’s woman has feelings for another woman, not only has he lost control, there’s a woman running around out there who’s broken free of male power entirely! But at least another man hasn’t stolen his property.
– A man who can control two hot babes at once is super powerful and manly.
– Therefore, women should be bi and wild for MFF threesomes and then after the M gets off they should go back to being straight and simple and placid. No contradictions here at all, nosirree!
So, wait. You’re not against the rights of men… just against the organized groups dedicated to their protection?
I suppose that makes sense. I’m pro womens rights, but against feminism. An important distinction.
“…just against the organized groups dedicated to their protection?”
And what, exactly, has the MRM ever ACCOMPLISHED that could be considered protecting, or even helping, men? If by “help men” you mean “complain about women,” then you’re on
target.
And pro women’s rights? Please tell us exactly what rights you think women are entitled to? I’m sooooo curious.
@fembot, I guess I look at it this way:
Potential negative consequences of misgendering someone on the internet = causing more pain to someone who probably has enough of that — either the immediate target of the misgendering, or other people witnessing it and worrying it might happen to them.
Potential negative consequences of simply accepting gender as presented on the internet = none, at least here on Man Boobz.
Ergo, no good reason not to simply accept that Sunshine Mary is, as she claims, a woman. For all we know, Sunshine Mary is actually a carrier pigeon, in which case I’ll just say “Kudos” on the great typing skills.
Caveat: This argument in no way conforms to any formal system of logic, in spite of my use of ergo and caveat.
Also, sock puppets are fair game.
“I think Sunshine Mary is a dood.”
I always thought so.
Sharon, did you see that you’ve been transformed into a very not-delicious candy?
Oh, and I wonder if the simpleton who came up with that list realizes threesomes are not always two gals and a dude. Maybe he wouldn’t mind if she brought another man home for some sexytimes? Heh.
Ah, speaking of dudes posing as women…it’s “Sharon,” who uses words he doesn’t understand.
Thank you for that explanation, Cloudiah.
@ emilyperson
It seems like we’re pretty much on the same wavelength, except that your ideas are more specific than mine. My response was based more on instinct (“something here doesn’t fit”) than on analysis (“there’s an error involved and I can tell you exactly which one”).
I doubt List Guy would recognize in you the approximate achievement of what he says he wants. The dude has a wish and the dude has a dream but confront him with a reality and he’ll find a reason (probably lots of reasons) to gripe. I don’t suppose, for example, that he’s a big supporter of the LGTB groups in his community, especially the ones geared toward young people, although you’d think that if he were operating (if he were genuinely operating) along PUA lines, he might regard them as potential hunting grounds. (Not an approach I’m recommending, BTW.) But then List Guy is after a vision, not a person, so practicalities (such as “how do I check these items off this list”) don’t apply.
Mr List even specifies that it is next to impossible to find a woman to satisfy his demands, and so he expects to stay single. He even calls being single his Plan A, and the list is designed to be ridiculously unattainable so that he will remain single.
Yep!
@Creative Writing Student
I might have been ninja’d on this (in which case, apologies to the ninja(s), but I can help with the last one. Get the screen on something where you can see it while lying in bed, and get an extension cord for the keyboard (safer than using wireless) and voila! I’m doing it right now. :-D
Only to men who’ve not exceeded the mature grasp of a 4 year old boy’s vocabulary. Grandpa was outside working in the garden. Grandma was doing kitchen stuff and explained to the kindie devotee that the shared paint & sparkly stuff project must wait until she’d finished her work. Impatient little boy stamped his foot and uttered the immortal words,
“That’s not work! That’s busy.”
We’ve ever since very carefully described laundry, dishes, cooking and cleaning as *work*.
I would like to see some objective, concrete evidence that the Men’s Rights Movement causes more harm than good. I can find plenty of quotes from feminists that make feminists look like ogres, but they reflect the individuals who state them. “Dozens of upvotes” only reflects the people upvoting the comment, not the community as a whole. It also has no tangible effect on the world, just a few bytes on a server somewhere.
One thing that does have a real effect on greater society is the Duke Lacrosse rape accusation. I’m sure those men would have been better off if the feminist movement never existed. However, because of feminists, they were accused of rape by an unreliable accuser with no evidence. This is an issue that has far reaching consequences. After all, if this one case that was the darling child of feminists was mishandled, how many others like it are out there? How far into the process were those others mishandled, and what effect have they had on the lives of the accused?
Tulgey said what I was going to say.
I think the burden is on you to demonstrate how the MRM has done good, rather than on us to prove that it has not. As far as anyone can reasonably see, your “movement” has accomplished diddly squat. If we are wrong, then by all means, demonstrate where the MRM has helped men.
False accusations is not something feminists endorse. The women who make false accusations are not feminists, and generally don’t even identify as such. Yes, they deserve to punished for perjury and making a false police report. They don’t deserve to be thrown in prison for twenty years or tortured. And the amount of these false accusations are way overblown by the MRM. I would wager that there are far more men who have raped women roaming free, then there are men in prison for false accusations.
Reffering to the Duke Lacrosse case seems to be the pet case for MRAs. Yes it was unfortunate. It never should have happened. But if you ask people about it now, they probably barely remember the incident, and they certainly don’t remember the names of the accused– who are now free men, btw. If you are so concerned with men being imprisoned, you might want to address the high incidence of minority men being held on non violent drug charges. That is where the real injustice towards men lies. But helping those men would do little to further your cause of blaming and defaming women, so I doubt many MRAs will touch it.
That Duke case is not the slam-dunk that you guys think it is.
And I’m with fembot — show me evidence that the MRM has done any good whatsoever, and then we can start comparing e-peens.
Also, idealoss, have you noticed that feminism targets actual problems caused by misogyny, whereas the MRM pretty much only targets feminism? Y’all are not the arch-nemesis of feminism that you consistently seem to cast yourself as.
I am guessing that this point will glance off you, but I wanted to put it out there.
Hey, inurashii, is there a chocolate for noideawhatsoever? I thought there was but was confusing it with the Truffle.
If we are wrong, then by all means, demonstrate where the MRM has helped men.
Mary Kellett, a corrupt Maine DA, has a disciplinary hearing scheduled due to the publicity and activism caused by Men’s Rights organizations. You can read more about it there. SAVE, a Men’s Rights group, has been identified by several newspapers (google “SAVE vladek filler”) as playing a part in this publicity, and supposedly Kellett attempted to pass a gag order to prevent their investigative reporting.
http://www.fillerfund.com/marykellett.htm
In addition, an investigative journalist who calls himself “Daddy Justice” frequently exposes corruption in the court system and, through his own investigation, was able to direct police to the location of a home invader who victimized himself and one other man. The most relevant video is below:
Someone once pointed out this about the Duke LaCrosse Case:
The young men wound up having their accuser discredited, the prosecutor not only removed from office but disbarred, they received two large settlements from both the county and the schools, were not expelled, received apologies from all officials and wound up not being affected AT ALL outside of a few weeks of national exposure and were completely exonerated.
Outside of some people still thinking they are guilty, they have not had a single negative thing happen to them.
What more do MRAs what? (Rhetorical question.)
Can we make a chocolate covered fart candy? It looks sweet and yummy, but when you bite into it, a puff of stinky air hits you.
So I’ve been listening to a lot of K-pop for the past few weeks. I’ve got a huge-ass blog post I’m working on all about the topic, in fact. Anyway, the HB10 comment gave me an excuse to post a link to a music video that encapsulates how I think these guys really go about their lives. Even though it’s played for humor in the video, I can just imagine these guys getting angry and clinching their fists watching it.
BTW, it has English subtitles you can turn on.