What do women want? Ask a dude. Ask an awesome dude.
Oh, ladies, you poor, deluded ladies, so unaware of the basic facts about yourselves. If only you had an objective source for information on the mystery that is you! Happily, a Men’s Rights Redditor by the name of nigglereddit has decided to throw a giant clue your way:
You may want to step back and take a look at the entire thread here, especially nigglereddit’s original post about the different ways he and his wife have responded to being new parents, in which he mocks his wife for what sounds very much like undiagnosed postpartum depression, blaming her misery not on brain chemistry or sleep deprivation or any of a zillion other things that tend to stress out new mothers but on all those terrible women’s magazines and books and TV shows she reads and/or watches.
Also, he pats himself on the back for being a totally cool and awesome dude who handles both his job and his duties as a father in a super awesome way — way better than his wife handles her new motherhood — because he’s a man, damnit, and totally able to see the world in an objective way.
Needless to day, this meaty slab of misogynist shitthatneverthappened got dozens up upvotes from the r/mensrights regulars.
Thanks to r/againstmensrights for pointing me to this terrible post.
EDITED TO ADD:
Speaking of which, the good folks at r/againstmensrights have assembled these handy guides to the shittiest comments in the shitty r/mensrights thread. A-one and a-two.
Posted on September 26, 2012, in antifeminism, douchebaggery, dozens of upvotes, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, reddit, self-congratulation, shit that never happened and tagged anti-feminism, antifeminism, child-rearing, men's rights, misogyny, MRA, mras, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 549 Comments.
Aw, how precious. He thinks his “women obtain worth through the men in their lives” bullshit is somehow a new thing that he just discovered himself, instead of the same old shit that we’ve been told for centuries.
Hm. It is almost 12:30…should I have lunch? Better call my dad and brother to poll them on whether or not I’m hungry. Maybe I should throw in my fiance (I mean, he’s already made a down payment on me with an engagement ring) and then that way there won’t be a tie.
FFS.
Gonna go get a sammich now.
I know what I want:
A footrub
A pony
A cuddle
My sanity back
A copy of Persona 4 Arena
Some way of using my desktop PC in bed.
I’m working on some of these already. And no guy told me this is what I want or where to get it. :P
God, his poor wife! I wonder what she thinks of what this asshole writes, if she actually thinks she needs a man to tell her what to think.
I feel [resentful of] women. I really do. They have absolutely no way to get easy access to [my opinion that I made up].
Everything they’re told by the media and other women is [something I'm too cynical to believe] or [something I'm capable of understanding, having been born without empathy].
And the one place they could have got [my opinion], the place [I want them] to get it – [the bitter, clannish men who hate them] – is the place they’ve been [justifiably] told most of all is totally untrustworthy, fake and even dangerous.
*er, ‘not capable’.
Ah, act one in the MRA play. Up next, after intermission, Why did she divorce me for no reason?
… Oh dear god this man bred?! His poor wife! :(
What insufferable BS. This dude is pretty awful too:
Because apparently, all boys are raised working class, and all women are raised by wealthy families. Silly me, I was unaware of this before now. 12 upvotes, so it must be true!
I’m sure he would have given birth better than she did, too.
Jesus, it’s almost like being married to a gigantic douchebag is depressing or something. Shocking.
@cloudiah:
I’m wondering where the hell that guy was to tell my dad that my brother should’ve been the one helping with all those house projects and that I should’ve been off shopping.
That would’ve saved me from having several tools dropped on my head.
On the other hand, I now know about plumbing, running wires, how NOT to get myself electrocuted, some basic carpentry, and that a concrete nailer has many uses beyond what the manufacturer recommends.
Yeah, because, also, the stuff girls have traditionally helped with/been responsible for in the household? Totally not important or time consuming. It’s just, you know, being female. Women and girls have washed, babysat, done laundry, cleaned, cooked and all that other stuff because it’s just how we’re made.
I feel sorry for his wife–bet she didn’t know she had two kids.
I want to know what a concrete nailer is, how to use it, how to use it beyond the manufacturer’s guidelines, and whether I can cause any havoc with it.
… Also that comment looks really disturbing with my avatar…
Girls, seemed to be handed things more often though. When she goes shopping, mom takes her and pays for things, and it’s a “girls day out”.
Dammit, he’s right! Moms buy their daughters clothing, and those lazy kids don’t have to pay for it or anything!
And when girls are hungry, their moms just FEED them dinner! They get handed a plate! Like they deserve food!
When girls are tired, their moms tuck them into bed! A boy would have to build his own lean-to and fill it with straw!
Girls: SPOILED ROTTEN.
I’m with you. I don’t know what a concrete nailer is OR what your avatar is, but they’re obviously made for each other.
@Creative Writing Student:
The one I used is a Remington brand nailer. Basically, you load a 22 gauge cartridge into the back, put a concrete nail into the muzzle, push it really hard against the concrete wall/floor you want the nail in, and fire.
So, if you’re trying to nail a 2×4 footer into a concrete slab to build a wooden wall off of it, the concrete nailer is what you’d use to nail the board into place, because very little else will get through the concrete.
My dad and I had to get the concrete footing around a post out (the post broke off and needed to be totally removed). So, we chipped out a small hole in the concrete and dry fired the nailer into the hole (no nail in the muzzle). All the force from the 22 gauge blast went into the hole and, after several shots, cracked the concrete into manageable bits that could be pried out with a lever.
It kicked like hell, though. My elbows ached for days after, because we had to push really hard to keep the nailer down.
If you go to a large home improvement store and ask for a 22 gauge concrete nailer, you should be able to find one. For the most part, they are very simple, sturdy, and easy to use.
TL;DR
The concrete nailer I used is a 22 gauge gun that fires nails into concrete and similar hard surfaces where a hammer won’t do the trick. With a bit of creativity, you can wreak all sorts of havoc with it.
Yeah, I can definitely see me succumbing to the temptation to use that on the garage floor and then being kicked out by my dad…
I mean, I went to public school during a time when kids were bused around to deal with the legacy of discrimination in Los Angeles schools, so my experience as a kid was that all kids worked around the home (though usually only the girls were expected to do child care for younger siblings). I did all the dishes and laundry, helped in the garden, washed windows, etc. (I did not get to use a concrete nailer, sadly.) And all the parents worked, mothers and fathers, and not at $100K jobs, but at physically demanding/low pay jobs.
And then I won the equivalent of the lottery, and went to a private all girls high school on a scholarship, which was the first time in my life I encountered young women like the OP describes. Entitled princesses do exist! I’ve met them! But even in a city like LA, where there may be more of them per capita than anywhere else in the world, they are INCREDIBLY RARE and most people go their entire lives without knowing any.
But as far as r/mr is concerned, all women are Lindsey Lohan or something.
TL;DR: I would like to take a concrete nailer to their stupid and incorrect assumptions.
@cloudiah:
Sounds immensely satisfying.
I’ve been lurking in this site for a long time, and finally decided to coment. So congratulations on the blog it’s awsome and funny, the comments really make it easier to deal with all the awfulness of the mras. And about this guy, his is sad I feel bad for his wife and kids if his telling the thruth. I just don’t think people like him would be good parents or husbands because need empathy to be good
Seems like this is another variation on the theme of “mainstream media is run by feminists!!!” Those horrible feminists, making women feel bad by telling them that every woman has to make babies and stay thin to be a Real Woman. If only there were a movement that sought to destroy oppressive gender-based railroading of life plans! (Also, did anyone else notice that, while he specifically mentions his wife’s body-image issues downthread, his first comment calls her out for having gained weight?)
I would love to use a concrete nailer! The closest I came was using a small, handheld jackhammer to take down a tile wall that was put up in the 1950’s (when they used really thick mortar). That was fun.
This MRA sounds like one of those douchebags who believes that logic is the opposite of empathy*. He was probably told all his life that he was smart, so now he thinks he has a prime directive to be an asshole. He’s probably smirking when he says his asshole things, too.
*which is really illogical, if you think about it
I’m glad everyone is amused by fun tools. If you want to know what it looks like, here is a link. The exact shape varies, of course, depending on brand and style. I wouldn’t buy any of the ones I’ve seen online, though. Better to ask at a local hardware store first.
Remington 496 Semi Automatic Powder Actuated Tool
They’re good if you want to fasten anything to a basement wall (e.g. putting up shelving), or, in my dad’s case, building a wooden shed on a concrete slab. But if you’re looking for a more general took kit, I don’t suggest them. They’re rather specific and it isn’t much fun to have a tool lying around that you don’t use.
Does Linsday Lohan count as spoiled? According to Wikipedia she has been working (admittedly as an actress/model) since she was three or four. I know it is considered a good/fun job but working since that young even if family advantage got her the job (I don’t know enough about her to know if this is the case) is hardly being handed things on a plate. She has been working for over 20 years already!
@ Naira The one my dad had was like this:
Remington 476 Powder Actuated Fastening Tool
You actually had to use a hammer to hit the pin, it was all sorts of fun to use.
Nice. Yeah, the one my dad bought has a different handle, at the back of the nailer, It is nice if you are using it on a horizontal slab, because you can put all your weight on it and make sure the nail goes all the way down.
Not so great for putting in a nail on a wall above shoulder height.
But yeah, really fun to use. If you do it just right, you can open the cartridge casing on my dad’s and eject the spent shell all in one move. It is fun and looks awesome. Makes me feel like a cross between Bob Villa and Dirty Harry.
I read his original post and well… Maybe it’s true that she’s lying through her teeth and pretend to be super happy over the baby when she’s with her female friends. And maybe that’s because our culture glorify motherhood a lot. You’re SUPPOSED to be super-happy over your baby. You’re NOT supposed to be depressed about it.
I googled post-partum depression and got lots of stories by women who talk about how they wish motherhood wasn’t as glorified as it is, this pressure to be happy, they wish we could talk more openly about feeling terrible after you had a baby…
So, what I’m trying to say is that in the midst of a lot of awfulness he does have a small valid point, namely that there’s this media idea that motherhood is just super-happy-wonderful, and this makes it extra hard for those who become depressed and exhausted. But the idea that his wife would have been perfectly fine if it wasn’t for evil media is ridiculous, and the idea that women couldn’t just know from experience what it’s like to be a woman but would need a man to tell them is… so stupid that my head hurts.
Somewhere on the net I came across a comment by somebody or other (sorry about the lack of specificity but my MRA dose-of-the-day is afflicting me with brain fog) which mentioned that some people are able to turn a few grains of truth into mountains of falsehood. That’s how I feel about guys like this. I believe they’re onto something but I also believe that they’re so concerned about their personal take on it that they can’t afford to see it from any perspective other than their own. When they look at female ill-preparedness for life outside the home/after college/out in public, what they perceive is that they’ve been shortchanged in favor of a bunch of females, none of whom has a nuclear physics degree or a completed symphony to her name, none of whom can throw a baseball really well, and all of whom are a tax and a drain on the attention of good men. For them that’s the issue, encased in a nutshell; for them it begins and ends there.
I recognize a certain portion of justice in what this man is saying. I myself was brought up in relative ignorance of the world by a woman who, in me, tried to replicate the protective conditions under which she had been raised. There wasn’t that much male input available to me when I was a kid: I had no brothers and my Dad was effectively absent for months at a time, b/c he was working 14 hours a day or overseas or both. The plumbing-and-carpentry portions of my education were scanted. (Although, like just about every other woman alive, I know how to fix things which break around the house; small repairs are part of housekeeping, which is still a woman’s job. I don’t think the nigglereddits of this world understand how many of the things which break around their house get fixed quietly by women, because it’s the Big Breaks in household infrastructure which command the attention of men — who usually, instead of tacking the problem themselves, hire a professional to step in and solve things. Take a look at the difference in the conditions under which young men live, as opposed to the conditions which manifest themselves around young women, if you don’t believe me. In a Dudical House stuff which gets broken tends to stay that way, unless it’s Big Stuff, which is how the dudes know it’s OK to hire somebody else to repair it. Small stuff gets ignored, for the most part, because the guys all know, without acknowledging it exactly, that dealing with the small stuff is what women are for and that when they set up their own households the issue will be handled.)
A reasonable person, noticing that large numbers of people are brought up in ways which interfere with their effectiveness at handling their own lives, would conclude that it was the ineffectiveness that had to be remedied, through better or more realistic education or more contact with the world. (To be fair, that’s what some of these guys seem to be plumping for when they recommend that girls be raised by their fathers. I personally don’t think that’s a very good idea, but at least they recognize that there’s a problem.) A reasonable person would not use that as an excuse to condemn the lives themselves. Again to be fair, there’s also to some extent a recognition that the Magic Woman role which girls are still taught to at least try to fill is cruel and delusive. But the conclusion which gets drawn, not by any one individual but by the MRA collective, continues to be: “This is more proof that women can’t hack it. They are ineffective because that’s just the way they are. You’ll just have to do it all, old son, remembering all the while that the reason women are told that they have to be fertile, fit, loving, gorgeous, slim as androgynous young boys yet cuddly as stuffed toy animals, and that the reason they therefore get crazy, is that feminism* has prevailed and that we’re all living under its disastrous shadow. You have our sympathy: don’t count on anything else.”
In other words, most of these guys are stuck looking at the result, rather than the cause. Of course they think they’re more rational: they haven’t been on the receiving-end of a mind-bending campaign (whose ultimate object is mainly to sell stuff) aimed at convincing them that if they’re imperfect they’re unsalvageable. Their reaction seems mostly to be to agree with the campaign — which is why I don’t find their observations useful. Funny, sometimes, sure thing. But useful, no.
*for cripes’ sake
I think as far as MRAs are concerned Lindsey Lohan is a spoiled princess, and what she does couldn’t be considered “real” work. Because only men do real work. I believe the OP says he hunts the wooly mammoth to the tune of $100K/year, which means (if true) he probably does the kind of work that tanked the economy, erased people’s retirement funds, and put other people out of work.
… because living their lives as themselves will not provide them with cold hard facts about themselves and their lives?
Is it just me, or does this sound like the lament of a serial gaslighter? “Your reality is not reality. Only my reality is reality.” Yikes.
I’m baffled. First of all, if my partner was miserable for years, I’d say more than, “Silly vagina” and start making some real fucking changes in my life.
Secondly, he actually says he doesn’t complain/whine while *doing exactly that*. Far be it for me to tell someone that they can’t complain about raising a kid–it’s hard–but seriously, your penis doesn’t make your complaints less complainy.
And, seriously, why is he getting a ton of credit for doing the very basics a father should do? SERIOUSLY HE IS NOT LIKE A SINGLE PARENT AT ALL. He seems upset he has to work *and* care for a baby, and that’s “doing it all”. Where the fuck is this kid during the day? Daycare? That’s fine, but seriously, you’re not some saint from heaven because you have a dual-high-income-family.
And, just sayin’? In general, it’s men who insist women need to be thin and beautiful and perfect at this and that and the other. It’s not women and it’s not feminism. Most women I know warned me that having a kid was a fucking misery, that life sucks, that you’ll always be working harder and doing more for less credit. It’s normally the men who don’t seem to have any idea about these things, or really just don’t care.
MRAs’ dirty secret: They love historical romance novels.
Somehow I doubt he does as much work taking care of thier daughter as he says he did. I had an unkle who while admittedly work a very labor intensive job, never actully did anything around the house unless it was repairs. The taking care of thier two kids, driving them to school and then latter work, cleaning doing laundry, all that. My aunt had to do before my unkle woke up for work. She also had to make sure food was ready for him. By the time he woke up. If she didn’t do all of that in the time alloted he would pitch a fit. But if you asked him about his home life, he would tell you how tired he was from working all night and that he was sick of having to do stuff properly around the house too. He made it seem like my aunt was lazy and worthless.
Yeah there’s like two grains of sand of truth in there, namely that our entire culture glorifies motherhood and impresses upon women that it is mandatory to want babies because otherwise you’re not really a woman and to be perfectly dressed with flawless hair and makeup, clean, thin, well-rested and white while being a mother raising your adorable clean and happy white Gerber baby in rooms that are entirely white**, and that this glorification comes heavily from a media that is supported by selling all the bleach and plastic diapers and so on that are involved in that pipe dream.
However guess who has been calling this out as false and dangerous for decades? Not men. Men don’t give shit about the media representations of women or motherhood and their effects on women. Feminists do.
** – think for a moment of any commercial about baby stuff and you’ll know what I mean.
OMG, his wife is going through a stressful time and all he has to offer is condescention? She and the baby have my deepest sympathy.
So where are men getting their cold hard facts about life, and why can’t women just get them from the same place? Cut out the middleman, as it were?
@Karalora, obviously because cold hard facts about life come only from men! MRA thinking at its best. Only a man’s brain and a man’s experience lead to truth, and females need to accept that.
*wondering to self why I don’t have all the facts*
@Naira “I am glad everyone is amused by fun tools.”
Isn’t that the reason most of us are here?
@opium4themasses
+10 points for you!
FYI, the good folks at r/againstmensrights have assembled these handy guides to the shittiest comments in the shitty r/mensrights thread.
http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/10i57n/mras_defending_a_bigoted_comment_with_more_bigotry/
http://www.reddit.com/r/againstmensrights/comments/10hcvy/i_feel_sorry_for_women_i_really_do_they_have/c6drbxe
@Karalora the cold hard facts are coming from theirs rational man brains something these emotional females could never undertand. At least this is how mras think
I keep hearing Prof. Henry Higgins from “My Fair Lady” singing, “Why Can’t a Woman be more Like a Man?”
This guy has GOT to be a Poe, right?
The combination of “How is babby formed?” spelling, internal contradictions, a 12-day-old reddit account, and 4-dot ellipses cannot exist in nature.
C’mon. Mismgomy don’t real!
On one hand she was a TOTAL LOSER and I had to pull a Professor Higgins to turn her into a LADY. But at the same time she was apparently SUPER AWESOME so naturally I fell in love with her.
The sentences, they contradict themselves. But go on…
Based on your description of your lives together, I am fairly sure she was not the one who was materialistic. And generally, no one is a master parent the second they find out they are pregnant. It is normal to learn about what is happening to you and how to handle having a baby. Most people, and I can tell you are not most people, would read a book, look at a magazine to learn some of these things. They would not, as you apparently did, just *know* them by magic!
Objection, facts not in evidence.
1. You are calling a woman who was 32 when you met a girl.
2. Everyone asks for help now and then. It happens. And she apparently needs all the help she can get to deal with your swarmy condescending ass.
3. Where does this “roll over for anyone” come from? You obviously want her to do so.
“Until she proves me wrong.” You know, I have no idea how to explain what an asshole statement this is.
Er… why are you posting on a sub that opposes the rights of men?
Do you really hate men so much?
Cloudiah, I agree, I am trying to get out my old habits of being dismissive of female celebrities because their is more venom directed at them than male celebrities often for no real reason.
He actually does a fair amount around the house, however in a way just illustrates that what is expected for a woman is exceptional for a man. I have never had children, but I get the impression the feeling of being trapped is relatively common. My mum definitely had it as she literally couldn’t get out after I was born (dreadful weather, not walking distance of anywhere, too difficult to drive alone with a child). My mum also helped her next door neighbours who were going through something similar. It is odd he can’t relate to that. I would expect having a child to be hard but seeing how women change after they have children (going from being bright and energetic to permanently exhausted) I think it must be harder than I can imagine.
Also pretending my life is perfect is not something I do with close female friends, is that normal?
oh my goodness, because it says AGAINST MEN’S RIGHTS
so it must mean that it OPPOSES MEN HAVING RIGHTS
Sharon, buddy, you sure have backed us into a corner. We DO hate men that much. Especially those of us who are men, we hate us. This whole success/self-confidence/happiness thing was all a ruse.
Well done.
And what should men want? Here’s another awesome dude’s list of non-negotiables, “which will ensure that I remain single forever” (he’s prolly got that right!!)
Unwaveringly loyal, even if I cheat.
Will retain a trim figure through exercising and eating right.
Knows how to cook and is willing to do so every day.
Accepts that the entire damn house is my ‘man cave.’
Will enthusiastically perform any sex act immediately upon my request.
Keeps the house in order and sparkling clean.
Shuts the fuck up.
Non-educated and not politically minded.
Recognizes my need for bro time and alone time.
Bisexual and open to the idea of threesomes.
No children, past, present or future.
Virgin, but willing to learn.
Curtsies whenever I walk in the room.
Always dresses sexy.
HB10 as a minimum.
Tiptoes around so as not to wake me when I’m sleeping in.
Doesn’t waste my money on things I don’t want.
Gee, what a real catch this guy would be!!
Sharon, from the r/againstmensrights sidebar:
That seems relatively easy to understand. Rights for men? Good thing! The so-called “Men’s Rights Movement?” Bad thing!
HTH!
Since we are legally required to post a certain number of cat videos/day around here…
“Curtsies whenever I walk into the room.”
That has to be a fucking joke.
“Curtsies whenever I walk into a room.”
That list is a parody, right? Or he just wants a sex-slave/maid/hostage who lives under the sink and only eats scraps of bread. Somehow, without money or resources, she’ll retain the abs of a pro-athlete, and look perfectly polished all the time….and never look him in the eye, by god. After sex she’s required to say, “Thank ye, m’ Lord.”
These guys know what they’re doing. They’re so scared shitless of women they come up with this crap to ensure that no self-respecting chick goes near them. Congrats, my friends, your strategy is flawless. Now go back to dreaming up the ideal relationship/hostage situation.
@Pam
…Curtsies? Everything else there is fairly misogynistic fare except for the “tiptoing around” thing, which is so obviously a complaint directed at a certain person, but “curtsies” just makes me think Poe. Isn’t 10 the upper end of the HB scale anyway? We need someone who knows more about model railways here.
What’s with the “I want my girlfriend to be a virgin” thing anyway? It shouldn’t matter if she is, but if he wants his sex acts performed on command to be skillful rather than just enthusiastic he ought to realise virginity won’t help that.
Not that this dude should be allowed anywhere near women. Or men, really.
Triple curtsy ninja!
Would it be alright if she were just a naturally trim person even without putting much effort into a healthy diet or exercise? Something tells me this isn’t really about her health . Something other than the obvious “trim figure” bit.
@lowquacks
HB = Hot Babe
You may have confused that with HO, which is a model railroading scale
And not just a virgin, but a bisexual virgin who is open to the idea of threesomes
@Pam
Yeah, that was on purpose. H0 women might be a bit less dangerous for this dude to be around anyway. Could invite “all the women in my life are H0s!” though.
I don’t see how “bisexual” is necessary anyway. Straight people often want, participate in, and enjoy threesomes involving another of the same gender all the time, don’t they?
@Shiraz
I don’t think it’s a parody so much as a dudebro flexing to gain the admiration of other d00dly d00dz
@cloudiah, truly wonderful cat video.
This, just because you can’t see it too often:
I know someone with postnatal depression right now. What she needs is a posse of these pigs of men to arrive at the door and tell her that guilty as she feels about it right now, she should feel much worse about herself.
And I’ll give her a nice handy weapon. She can let them know what she thinks about their opinions however pleases her best in the moment.
Yeah? Well, my next boy/girlfriend needs to be a unicorn and fart rainbows! Top that exclusivity!
“What’s with the “I want my girlfriend to be a virgin” thing anyway? It shouldn’t matter if she is, but if he wants his sex acts performed on command to be skillful rather than just enthusiastic he ought to realise virginity won’t help that.”
It’s pure insecurity. Not being a virgin can indicate (often, not always) that you are able to relate to other people in real life and build a consent-based mutually satisfying experience.
Imagine how intimidating such a woman is for these men. They’re still getting over the idea that real life ladies have bums and boobies.
Dude in the article says that he’s seen similar lists written by women, which he calls “crazy cat lady lists”. Would it even be possible to be that picky w/r/t cats? I thought it was worth a try.
So, without further ado, here is my awesome catchelor list of non-negotiables, which will ensure that I remain catless forever:
Unconditionally content, even when being bathed.
Will appreciate home-brand cat food as much as the fancy stuff.
Can open his or her own cans and serve a sensible meal size without human assistance.
Accepts that no part of the house is a litter tray.
Will enthusiastically perform any pet trick immediately upon my request.
Keeps his or her fur silky and sparkling clean without needing to be brushed.
Shuts the fuck up..
Recognizes my need for bro time and alone time.
Gregarious and open to the idea of other cats, or even dogs.
No kittens, past, present or future.
Not house-trained, but willing to learn.
Purrs whenever I walk in the room.
Always looks cute.
This fluffy as a minimum.
Tiptoes around so as not to wake me when I’m sleeping in.
Doesn’t develop a catnip addiction.
Oh man, this guy’s gold.
I was under the impression that a “man cave” was like a treehouse for men: No Gurlz Allowed. Or are we, like Mom, allowed in to clean and/or refill the cookie plate?
Either way, this combination of requirements would have me laughing in this dude’s face. Either it’s your space, in which case you are solely responsible for its upkeep, it’s my space (in which case I am), or it’s shared space, in which upkeep duties are also split.
…But there I go trying to impose my misandric standards of reasonable adulthood again.
I bitterly resent the lack of attention given to Crazy Cat Men. The Crazy Cat Ladies get the headlines and all the reviews.
MISANDRY!
and for the record, my cats do not conform to lowquacks’ list.
I was thinking of creating an OKCupid profile to see what kind of response I get with a specific list of all thing things I want in a guy.
Now I am actually tempted.