In the fast-paced, perpetually busy world of today, we don’t all have time to read every post on A Voice for Men. So here is an edited version of Paul Elam’s latest post, on Rebecca Watson of Skepchick. And whores. And how he personally doesn’t spend all his time claiming to be a victim, even though he totally is one, in case you forgot since the last time he reminded you of that.
Here’s Paul:
Whores … typical whore … Main Street walking, garden variety anybody’s whore … honest whore. … corporate whore … corporate whores … whorish sexual symmetry … stupid whore … stupid whore … whore … lying whore … whore … lying whore … whore … lying whore … corporate whore … a lying whore can also be a corporate whore … whoring for the cause … whore … PZ Myers … stupid, lying whore … not just a lying whore who also happens to be a stupid whore … a different subspecies of whore altogether … stupid, lying whore … whore that rigorously abandons intellect, rationale, evidence, decency and compassion, and also fosters much deserved hostility toward themselves … stupid, lying whore … stupid, lying whore … .
Paul Elam, meet Tom Martin.
Speaking of stupid, lying whores, let’s discuss Rebecca Watson’s latest article … about how she and other women who trash and demonize men regularly are helpless victims, getting nasty emails and tweets from some people who don’t like it. … Once [sic] such comment came from an individual who penned, “Hope Dawkins will bestially rape you…in the elevator to hell.” …
I have a keeper file of death threats, but I never wrote an article about them. I have been hounded recently by half the media hacks in Canada … it does not even compare to John the Other facing a gang of 20-30 assholes on the street, some wielding box cutters … 2 plus 2 equals stupid, lying, whining whore. What John and other MRAs are starting to encounter every day, and the future of what is to come, makes getting bestially raped by Richard Dawkins sound kinda funny. We just don’t get the luxury of playing the damsel in distress, nor do we want it.
There are maybe 1200 more words to his post, but I think you probably get the gist of it.
Watson’s post, by contrast, is worth reading in full.
Also since the music conversation seems to have moved over here, has anyone else heard the new Metallica? Fucking terrible. It’s so bad I’m embarrassed for them.
Maaaaaate, the last radio station I listened to from choice was 3XY …
@lowquacks
I was in exactly your situation when I was at college and uni (lived nearly two hours away, had to use public transport etc.). I was also working at the time and had loads of other shit going on with my Evil Ex (who I was living with and who was jealous of me for going to higher education and made it too awkward for me to ever go to anything without him) and I ended up going to three things in the entire time I was at university, and none at college.
Please don’t be me, it sucked. Getting trains back late is shit, but it’s better than spending five years not speaking to anyone and regretting everything as everyone has these cool stories and life experiences from uni and you can’t share them.
You could book into the youth hostel on a one-off if you know there’s going to be something on you’re likely to make friends at, and use it as a temporary solution until you can crash at people’s houses?
On a better note, I left the Evil Ex three months after I graduated and now my life is a lot better. I moved 300 miles away, made awesome friends and am, if anything, far too busy.
@aworldanonymous
I understand with the whole halls thing – I had to share a ‘flat’ with six other girls, all of whom were into Glee and partying…
Generally – invest in some good sound-cancelling headphones. Don’t be afraid to cuss out drunk noisy people at 3am. And correct me if I’m wrong, but you have an ASD, right? I think you mentioned this. Apply for some academic and well-being support. I didn’t have well-being support and it contributed to some major sanity slippage, but once I got it (and counseling) I’m getting better very fast. It really helps, even if you just need to rant that “the people downstairs are making loud sex noises and it really carries so it sounds like they’re right under my window clinging to the wall like Dracula.” (Apparently one of the girls downstairs had asked people to keep their sex noises down in a very snotty fashion – being really judge-y I Am The Virgin You Are All Filthy And Debased style – so the rest of them got revenge by having really immodest orgasms.)
@Everyone
Yeah it’s basically the loud drunk people shouting “DO WORK” and “YEAH BUDDY” among other things late at night, I suppose it isn’t the worst fate imaginable, but I feel that this wasn’t the university experience I had in mind. To be honest I was thinking that I’d have more along the lines of what polliwog had, though after reading all of your stuff, I think I’d be best to wait it through and see what happens, I should be able to get a set of noise cancelling headphones through my disability grant, so that shouldn’t be too much trouble at all, especially considering the particular varieties of music I listen to when I want to shut the world out.
Okay, I have knitting to do – niters, all! 🙂
@CassandraSays
Did you really expect anything from Metallica at this point though? They were overrated even in their heyday and post-Load have only got shittier.
I didn’t think it was possible for them to get worse, but judging by the song I heard the other day, they’ve managed it.
@thenatfantastic
Thanks for the advice. I guess I’d just assumed two hours wouldn’t be that long because my dad’s always commuted that far and day trips never got too draining getting up there. I’m actually really hopeless with late nights to begin with – natural morning person and I do not thrive in any partyish social environment unless very drunk – but I’ll give what you say a go.
Is this from the Lou Reed thing?
also @thenatfantastic
What are you referring to by “college” and “uni”? USians seem to use them interchangeably and here college is fancy student accomodation at a uni, and the UK do various things, so I’m confused. Like a technical college?
I’m still into goth as it were, I haven’t really been able to afford to dress the part however, which is a shame because some of the fitted neo-victorian stuff I’ve found looks fantastic. Though, when it comes to gothy music, I stick mainly to trad and darkwave type stuff, with occasional ventures into the futuristic synthpop vibes of VNV nation, Covenant et al. but when I’m angry or trying to drown out obnoxious drunks at 3 am, I’m more than happy to listen to rhythmic noize and aggrotech.
Also, I love Skinny Puppy and FLA with all of my heart, and have recently been venturing into industrial rock/metal after deciding to be less of an elitist rivethead.
@lowquacks
Here in Canada, college mainly refers to community colleges and diploma mills.
@aworldanonymous
Thanks re:college.
As a suggestion: I don’t know enough about the whole post-’80s goth thing (and very little about it before that), but if there’s any anti-NIN snobbery, and at a guess there would be, it’d be well worth ignoring that.
I enjoy NIN to an extent, I find a lot of the stuff he did post-downward spiral is kind of a diluted sound compared to his earlier works. I love his How to Destroy Angels stuff though.
@lowquacks
Sorry, should have been clearer – I’m in the UK, I did my A-levels at college (aged 16-18) and my degree at university (18-21 usually).
@thenatfantastic
That’s interesting, had never had that usage of “college” and my dad’s side of the family all come from the UK. Thanks for explaining!
@lowquacks- You said you had one very good friend, and a small group of female friends. I would very bluntly ask them to introduce you to people, set up lunch dates with you and a few of their other friends, etc. Ask to do that during the day, so you don’t have to try to build closer friendships at night when you are not at your best. Also, if your school has a commuter club, I’d try to take as much advantage of that as possible.
@aworldanonymous- Your situation is kind of a rite of passage for dorm living, sadly. Buy the noise canceling headphones and don’t worry, it gets better once you can pick your roommates!
I know it got missed and it’s actually regarding the OP, but I just want to point out that Elam has a less than stern condemnation for issuing threats of violence.
Remember all that violence he claims not to endorse? This is what not endorsing them looks like. They’re ‘nasty remarks’. They’re ‘less than sophisticated and intelligent’. And only some of them were less than sophisticated and intelligent. You are a credit to pacifists everywhere, asshat.
Yeah, they’ve hit that point where it might be better to retire than go on and get sadder.
Speaking of sad bands, was reading a book set in the late ’80s, and someone asked the main character who U2 was, and he replied “The Eagles in leather.” That is the perfect description of them.
Nah, the Eagles = country, and U2 doesn’t. (although there is a twangy harmonica in “Desire”)
*Leaps into the conversation to post nonsense*
Woo, the Eagles! I think it surprises people sometimes when they find out I like the Eagles, because it’s like a billion years before my time (that and I like power metal, which is getting into the whole “you can only like one type of music” thing I guess).
But I grew up with parents who listen to Radio 2 (for non-UKers, that’s the BBC station that plays a lot of older music), so I picked up a taste for older rock (and rock-ish) music growing up.
(I don’t have anything to add besides that, i’m about as far from being a music geek as you can get. 😛 My knowledge of music-related things is seriously lacking).
hey i get that knowing what the fuck isnt really one of your strong suits but watsons been explicit about the fact that she wasnt particularly feminist until you creeps convinced her that feminism was still needed, so you are really swinging the wrong instrument from your limited rhetorical toolbox here
Yeah, let’s completely ignore that the the word “whore” has a long, nasty history as a misogynistic slur used to demean and abuse women.
You MRAs are a shit stain on the underpants of humanity.