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PUA douche Roosh V: Men’s Rights Activists “use their illusionary movement as an excuse to sit on their ass and be a loser at life.”

Roosh V, making the world a better place

Men’s Rights Activists, I hate to have to break the news to you, but Roosh V, the rapey pickup guru I’ve been writing about a lot lately, is very disappointed in you and your so-called activism. In a sort-of followup to a post of his from several years back with the self-explanatory title “Men’s Rights Has Become A Euphemism For Sexual Loser,” Roosh lays into the “manginas” of the Men’s Rights movement, which he says isn’t really worthy of the name.

The biggest problem with MRAs is that they are not activists. They are pamphleteers. … They believe that one-thousand of them typing away and producing ten-thousand blog posts will change society. … [But] their movement hasn’t produced any results, only little online playgrounds where sad boys can sit in the sandbox and helplessly watch girls play with the cocky boys who understand the rules of the game.

He’s just getting going:

What political or social change have the men’s rights pamphleteers brought? Say MRP in one syllable. That’s the sound they make every time they sit down and hit publish on another one of their turd rants, giddy at the prospect of changing the world when a cup of strong coffee accomplishes more change to their actual turds. …  They get the occasional snarky mention from Jezebel and think they’re accomplishing something when they’re actually being used as nothing more than fodder for female bemusement or page views … Even the feminists, their supposed mortal enemy, refuse to debate them on equal footing.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they go back to mostly ignoring you, with occasional time-outs for laughter.

Our dear friend Paul Elam gets a little namecheck:

The entire men’s rights non-movement can be boiled down to one middle-aged man named Paul Elam who is carrying the weight of a thousand pamphleteers on his suffering shoulders. That’s not activism, that’s following one dude’s blog. The difference they think they’re making by cheering the public outing of false rape accusers or “male shamers” is the same difference my sister makes when she reads an article in Cosmo.

Aw. I don’t think Elam is really going to appreciate having his blog compared to Cosmo. Just keep telling yourself: Any publicity is good publicity.

But wait a minute, you might find yourself saying, isn’t Roosh just a blogger himself? What possible difference has he made for the men of the world?

Ah, but Roosh has anticipated this objection, and so sets out explicitly what makes him different, and better, than the “sad boys” of the MR(non)M: Roosh fucks ladies who aren’t fat.

As he puts it:

I take personal action and encourage other men to do the same.

At the same time I was complaining that American girls are fat, I was blasting inside Polish girls with perfect bodies. I tell men how to sleep with such women.

At the same time I was whining about divorce rape, I was dating a Ukrainian girl who treated me like a king. I tell other men where to find women like her.

In Ukraine, perhaps?

And while Roosh improves the lives of men with the power of his penis, he is also doing his part to rescue the economy from its doldrums:

At the same time I complain that the American economy is in trouble, I was completing another book I knew my readers would like so that I could increase my income.

That’s right, selling ebooks to make yourself some cash is apparently the highest form of activism.

But he’s not done:

At the same time I was ranting against the Skrillex haircut, I was banging a Lithuanian girl whose hair belonged in a Vidal Sassoon shampoo commercial. I tell men how feminine women are like.

We commend Roosh for his courage and his humility, and his humanity-bettering strategy of pressuring drunk women into bed.  Soon the Skrillex haircut will be nothing more than a scary memory.

But Roosh isn’t done with the Men’s Rightsers just yet. While he sets out to better himself and his penis, Roosh complains, the Men’s Rightsers want everything handed to them on a government-issue silver platter,

hoping the government will one day serve their interests and give them things that me and my readers are achieving on their own. I don’t need the government to pass laws against alimony. I simply won’t marry in the USA. I don’t need the government to pass laws promoting fair child custody laws. I won’t impregnate an America girl. I don’t need the government to increase punishment for false rape accusers. I’ll cover my own back. I don’t need the government to ban trans fat to lower the weight of the population. I’ll go to Poland.

What a hero! He continues:

In the same breath they call me a pussy beggar, they beg the government for protection from pussy.

That line is strangely Kennedyesque in its eloquence: “Beg not for what pussy your government can protect your from … .”

Before winding up his inspiring little manifesto, Roosh manages to namecheck a certain middle-aged Men’s Rightser once again:

Instead of listening to Paul Elam tell me that men are getting fucked, I will step out of the house and find a girl who wants to get fucked by me. … [MRAs] use their illusionary movement as an excuse to sit on their ass and be a loser at life.

I guess we’ll just have to wait to see if Elam takes the bait.

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Posted on August 29, 2012, in a voice for men, antifeminism, creepy, drama, evil fat fatties, gloating, grandiosity, internal debate, misogyny, MRA, narcissism, oppressed men, paul elam, penises, precious bodily fluids, PUA, rapey, rhymes with roosh, sex and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 264 Comments.

  1. Loser/creep-shaming, like slut- and fat-shaming, is a Good Thing in this world of entitlement.

    If you think all those are synonymous, you’re not thinking hard enough.

    But I daresay this isn’t the first time you’ve encountered this problem.

    (Oh dear – was that “shaming” too? I do apologize.)

  2. An Inconvenient Truth

    Being called out for skeevy towards a person ≠ being insulted for body shape/having sex

    Sure it is. It’s all about holding people accountable for socially corrosive behaviour.

  3. Sure it is. It’s all about holding people accountable for socially corrosive behaviour.

    There’s PUA logic in a nutshell – ladies, when you have lots of sex that is socially corrosive behavior and you should be ashamed of yourselves. Now have sex with me.

  4. howardbann1ster

    Fuuuuck…

    Okay, An Inconvenient Fuckwad, go read a little bit. No, go read a lot.

    Diets don’t work.

    Fat people eat just about the same stuff as thin people.

    Go research those two statements. Don’t you dare call them wrong without proof.

  5. @blitzgal: Your cat’s called Rigel? Don’t suppose he’s ever been on a ship- a living ship? – MorkaisChosen

    That did enter my mind briefly as well (apparently that’s spelt with a Y though, rather than an I). :D My second favourite sci fi show of all time.

  6. Is “socially corrosive” the new phrase the kids are using to mean “makes my penis sad?”

  7. Just a small FYI, David – “the Ukraine” is outdated, and considered offensive by many Ukrainians for complicated reasons including that it makes their country sound less like a country and more like a region (cf. “the Sahara,” “the Hebrides”) – it’s better to go with just “Ukraine.”

  8. PUAs are so depressing to talk to. Their view of human nature is so profoundly misanthropic, it’s a downer to be around.

    Since I can’t be bothered to go to YouTube right now to look for animal videos, here is a pair of adorable earrings instead. They put a smile on my face – I think it’s the idea of tiny little bells ringing in your ears all day.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEAUTIFUL-EARRING-THAI-STERLING-SILVER-EARRING-92-5-/300667083027?pt=Fashion_Jewelry&hash=item4601279913

  9. Okay, re: the Polish woman thing: when I was growing up, there were a lot of Polish women who would instantly fawn over any American guy to come about, no matter his douchebagery, because they wanted to immigrate to the (then more economically prosperous) US, and the best way to get a visa was to marry an American. Sadly, a lot of these women ended up stuck in abusive realtionships as a result. Others let themselves be abused, only to not get married anyway.

    Of course, this was happening around the time I was, what, eight, maybe? I’m eighteen now, so you can imagine how things have changed. The US is no longer the powerhouse it used to be, Poland has universal healthcare, more jobs are available (even though most of them are in other European countries, but they pay for transit, so there’s that), tourism is starting to grow thanks to the EU renovating a ton of old landmarks, and they have decent internet even in rural areas, so communication+technology are no longer a problem. We’re even working on getting the government and church separated. As a result, most women don’t see a point in going to America anymore, so even the pretty rural girls would drop Roosh so hard he’d leave cracks in the pavement.

    Maybe he just said Polish women because they’ve garnered a reputation for that kind of thing then? Or perhaps it’s just enough foreign to be exotic, but not so foreign they’re not POCs? Polish women still do most of the housework and childrearing (though that’s mostly the older generation), so maybe they see them as more domestic and subservient therefore more attractive? Hell if I know.

  10. I don’t have much personal experience with cats, but I know a dog (not mine) who once dug a chocolate bar out of the bottom of my handbag and ate the entire thing while all the humans were outside for a few minutes. The poor thing had to have her stomach pumped. My concern with feeding an animal small amounts of chocolate would be about letting them learn that they really like it, to the point that they would do such a thing. Obviously a pet owner is the best person to judge whether their animal can handle a few pieces of chocolate here and there without literally going cuckoo for coco puffs, but you know, informed decisions blah blah blah.

    Anyway, sorry about the derail!

  11. howardbann1ster

    On chocolate–most milk chocolates contain very little actual chocolate. Dark chocolates are more dangerous. Cooking cocoa is the biggest danger of all. If you have pets and cooking cocoa, be careful with that one.

    On fat: http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2006/04/03/the-case-against-weight-loss-dieting/ A good primer on diets not working and fat people really not eating any more than thin people. (this one’s more for the troll, but if you’re not familiar with this stuff, it’s a good read)

  12. The odd thing is that cats aren’t supposed to be able to taste sweetness, but my cat would beg for chocolate. Could be because it tends to be very milky? He had no interest in dark chocolate, only very milky chocolate. Maybe he could smell the milk component.

    He also loved ice cream (more than milk), and would try to eat any bits of muffin or cookie he could get at, so I’ve always been a bit suspicious of the whole they can’t taste sweetness thing.

  13. British chocolate tends to be milky, I mean. I could leave a bar of scharffen berger out on the table and he had no apparent interest in that, or in chocolate cake.

  14. Boy, Roosh sure does love him some bad analogies.

    Also: wait, having sex with hot people affects social change? Sweet! And here I thought I had to, you know, do something not utterly self-focused.

  15. On fat, here’s what I don’t get – even if you personally don’t find fat people sexually attractive, what does that have to do with their social worth? Why is the existence of people who you don’t want to fuck “socially corrosive”?

    I mean, I have a sexual preference for people who tend towards the almost too skinny by American standards end of the scale, and that doesn’t lead me to see fat people as “socially corrosive”, so I’m not understanding how this particular train of logic is meant to work. Unless he just means that fat women are “socially corrosive”, because women are meant to be fuckdolls and he can’t grok the idea that not everyone has the same sexual preferences, whereas fat men are always fine regardless of sexual preferences because they’re actual people.

  16. howardbann1ster

    @cassandrasays: It’s also working from the (false) idea that fat people drive everybody’s health care costs up, and if you accept that being fat is a choice (false) then it’s a preventable health cost.

  17. Cassandra Says:

    I have to guard my ice cream from one of our kitties. He’ll slink around the table trying to get at it while I eat it and I have to shield my bowl with my arm. I blame my grandmother–she was his first owner, and used to feed him people food.

  18. The men in my family (and many in my social group) tend to be on the heavy side. They’re all robustly healthy, they just hit the high end of the BMI. They also -to a person- have a shitload of negative body images. Fat-shaming goes both ways.

    That’s what makes the notion that fat people are not only sexually unattractive and sub-human, but also socially corrosive, such a great concept. It’s universal! What a swell antidote to the irrational entitlement some people feel toward eating food and digesting it!

  19. Maniacal Goblinoid Nightmare Woman

    Poland is still culturally Catholic, and Ukraine’s Orthodox Christianity comes with some very similar baggage around sex and marriage (but with additional crowns).
    This mix of guilt and rebellion that goes with earlier efforts at rejecting that kind of upbringing does bring about a slight tendency for people to deliberately shag arseholes as a one night thing. If it’s gonna be a sin then do it properly and without dragging anyone you actually like down with you. Maybe with a disposable foreign shithead that you’ll never have to see again.

    Would like to think this as the main rationale behind any pick-ups and “bad boys” getting anywhere, ever, but for living in a society that’s far happier to promote and approve of sex as a lovelessly competitive event rather than simply making someone you like feel really, really good for a while.
    And in a formerly Communist countries, loveless, competitive, capitalist sex also gets to be a cool thing that rebels do, turning such places into adventure playgrounds for awful people like Roosh.

    What I want to know is what would happen if he was to find out he’s mostly just being used some kind of sexual purgative?
    He’s too selfish for his partner’s intentions to even register, right? Or simply wouldn’t care because he had sex anyway and that’s all that counts. Otherwise that MRA whining about exploitative women might start to hit a nerve and fuck knows how that would pan out…

    “An Inconvenient Truth” is frightened of big women having sex and thinks that society should be frightened by it too? Making them frighted of love and concerned that without intervention it may start spreading to others?
    Inconvenient Truth is a minor villain from My Little Pony, yes? I’ve not seen the second series.

  20. Sure it is. It’s all about holding ponies accountable for socially corrosive behaviour.

    Care to explain how having sex or being overweight hurts society?

  21. Inconvenient Truth is a minor villain from My Little Pony, yes? I’ve not seen the second series.

    As far as I know there is no villain called that in mlp, I have no idea where you would get that idea. O_o

    I think its a reference to the Al Gore movie An Inconvenient Truth, the truth being that men are secretly oppressed under feminist overlords.

  22. My cats are the world’s most finicky cats. They won’t eat *anything* but their kibble. Not wet food, not salmon, not tuna, not nothing. Well, occasionally the dog’s kibble. I think it’s because we didn’t expose them to very much when they were little.

    My lovebirds however, are no longer allowed out at breakfast time, because they will birdie dive bomb your cereal to get at the milk. You end up with a spoiled bowl of cheerios and a wet milky bird. Not a good combo!

  23. @MGNW
    I don’t think he is seriously in Poland shagging a bunch of women right now, I am almost 100% sure he is just bragging trying to make himself sound more “manly” and “cool” than he really is. I believe that as much as I believe he wrote all those posts while fucking women (I don’t).

  24. @IT
    But there is nothing wrong with having sex or being overweight, you also ignore that people are fat shamed/slut shamed all the time even if they have never had sex or are not overweight.

  25. howardbann1ster

    @jumbofisch: I think that MGNW was comparing Inconvenient’s actions to a MLP villain.

    Note: “Making them frighted of love and concerned that without intervention it may start spreading to others?”

  26. The Poles I know would laugh pretty fucking hard at this characterization of Polish women. Has he forgotten that former soviet territory is communist, and grew up with a lot of propaganda on the equality of women?

  27. Polish women still do most of the housework and childrearing (though that’s mostly the older generation), so maybe they see them as more domestic and subservient therefore more attractive? Hell if I know.

    The thing is, US women in hetero relationships also tend to do most of the housework, cooking, and childcare, too. The only hetero relationships that tend to have a 50/50 split of housework is when women work full time and their husbands stay at home. When both partners work full time, it’s still the women who ends up doing more than her fair share.

    The manosphere whiners are just mad that things are changing so that women that work full time outside the home are questioning this imbalance of responsibility. MRA’s question, ” Why won’t wives be cheerful about spending all day at a job, and then come home to bust their asses all night doing all the work and waiting on their husbands?” So they fantasize about finding women that are so poor, they are willing to accept being an unpaid maid that has to put up with an obnoxious douchebag. Oh, and they’ll also be very gracious when their husbands dump them for committing the crime of aging.

    That’s why I feel zero sympathy for a guy that wants to buy a wife like he’d buy a pizza, and then she turns around and scams him for his money. He think its a tragedy to be used like that but sees no hypocrisy in trying to exploit her for being poor.

    On fat, here’s what I don’t get – even if you personally don’t find fat people sexually attractive, what does that have to do with their social worth? Why is the existence of people who you don’t want to fuck “socially corrosive”?

    While society is horrible to fat people of all genders, they act the worst towards fat women. That’s because so many entitled dudes think that women owe it to them to be attractive, even women they have no intentions of dating or fucking. They want all women everywhere to look hot for them, and they think their standards of beauty are universal. I think this is also why creepers like to tell random women at grocery stores “Smile, honey”. They feel entitled to have women smile and act pretty for them.

  28. Well, was communist. And I’m not saying women aren’t equal, but I was trying to distinguish the ideological claim from the reality of soviet management in a lot of cases; Yes, women are equal under marxism, but there’s always been assholes.

  29. An Inconvenient Truth

    Care to explain how having sex or being overweight hurts society?

    You’re welcome.

  30. Do you have a source that knows something about anything, and isn’t a chronic liar?

  31. howardbann1ster

    Heartiste, twice?

    Hmmm… Inconvenient Turd. You have no sources for anything.

    That is all.

  32. Wait, he’s seriously using Fartiste as a source?

  33. howardbann1ster

    Yep. With a “You’re Welcome.” As if he did us a big favor by letting us know what a garbage-brain full of un-facts he’s found.

  34. @ An Inconvenient truth

    Care to provide a peer reviewed source?

  35. Or even a semi-credible periodical on the topic, heartiste isn’t what I’d call reputable.

  36. Maybe fat people having sex causes earthquakes?

    No, wait, that was the boobs of slutty American women. Huh.

    Maybe fat people having sex proves that everyone is having way more fun than unfuckable fatphobes, thus is terrible? That might be it…

  37. Wait, he’s seriously using Fartiste as a source?

    I don’t know what I expected.

  38. howardbann1ster

    @aworldanonymous:

    Hell, I’d settle for a source that had even one teeny-tiny ounce of humanity left in them. It’d be a big step up.

  39. Maybe if you convince fat women to have low enough self esteem they might actually fuck you out of a need for approval? And maybe if you make women who’re not currently fat paranoid enough you’ll be able to get them to fuck you by hinting that you think they may someday become fat? I can’t help but suspect this is yet another version of the neg.

  40. AIT, while being a creeper is something that is usually inherently harmful because most creepy behavior centers around ignoring boundaries and manipulation, being a “slut” or fat doesn’t actually hurt anyone or cross any boundaries. No, giving your penis a sad, is not an infringement on boundaries. And being fat isn’t a behavior. If I tried to “act skinny” I’d still be fat. Fat is a description, not an action.

    I don’t doubt that Roosh gets some sex, maybe even a lot, but I do suspect a lot of exaggeration – possible self-delusion. I tend to think a lot of PUA stuff revolves around confirmation bias – “I was an ass to her and she still fucked me!” to them = “all women want to fuck assholes” rather than that maybe that particular woman likes assholes, or was just really horny and didn’t give a shit that he was a douchebag, or just wanted to see what a one night stand would be like and chose a guy she’d definitely never want to hear from again, or one of any other bajillion xyz reasons.

    It’s funny to me too how they never seem to consider the women who reject them – I mean, I think even Roosh has admitted to having been rejected, so obviously all women DON’T go for the asshole PUAs, and yet…

    On animals and chocolate, I’ve partly assumed that the reason one of my three childhood dogs didn’t die from all the chocolate she ate is because it was all milk chocolate (and possibly a magical, cast iron digestive tract). Twice, Heidi ate enough chocolate to kill and nothing happened except for some loose stool and bad gas. Once when we left for Easter Mass, we didn’t realize the fridge was open just a smidge (we had a lot of food in there for people coming over later) and that was all she needed to nose her way in and eat two solid chocolate bunnies the size of my then, 4 year old head. A few years later, she got some of my mom’s Christmas cookies, Peanut Blossoms, the kind that have the Hershey kiss in the center. She ate 23 cookies – we had 24 and we joked that she figured if she left one we wouldn’t notice. She lived to be 18. I’m not at all in any way saying chocolate for pets is ever a good idea, but somehow that dog was by far the outlier.

  41. If a fat woman has sex, and there aren’t any haters around to see it, does it still destroy society?

    /deep-thoughts

  42. howardbann1ster

    @Ostara — tolerance for chocolate is also heavily related to size. The larger the dog, the easier they’re tolerate small amounts. I’m going to assume at least a medium-sized Heidi?

  43. If a fat woman has sex, and there aren’t any haters around to see it, does it still destroy society?

    /deep-thoughts

    Man, if the conversation’s going to that level, Imma need the really good weed. :P

  44. howardbann1ster wrote in response to some boring guy: “Yep. With a “You’re Welcome.” As if he did us a big favor by letting us know what a garbage-brain full of un-facts he’s found.”

    But he did in a way. Rarely do our trolls so clearly self-identify as complete twits.

  45. But he did in a way. Rarely do our trolls so clearly self-identify as complete twits.

    “Thanks, half-pint. You just saved me a lot of investigative work!”

  46. You know, Roissy’s combination of floridly pretentious writing style and complete lack of content would make a lot more sense if he smokes massive amounts of weed. Though I’d be rather confused by how he manages to retain so much malice.

  47. This is someone who has written a post looking for credit for a list of places his peemus has been.

    What an odd fellow.

  48. some guy bored with your schtick

    David,

    Thanks for getting back to me on that.

    My personal, very limited observation, experience is that PUA and MRA is actually very disjoint. And while you may think they each have bad ideas about women, they are actually very separate bad ideas.

    Also, the statements you present re: size of MRA community demonstrates that you have reason to believe Roosh V is very much wrong about his statements towards Elam and MRAs. As a journalist, perhaps you should have made that clear, that your understanding of the situation demonstrates that Roosh V is full of it.

  49. @howard, yeah, Heidi was bigger, a basset-springer spaniel mix (basset body, springer markings). And she was pretty as well – at one point I think upwards of 80 lbs. I’ve been told as well that mutts generally tend to live longer and have stronger constitutions. Which could be true, I mean, my current mix ate half a bottle of advil and after a LOT of vomiting, a trip to the ER vet and some charcoal, she was mostly fine, just had bad gas, loose stool and some very stinky urine for a few days.

    I feel like all these pet calamities makes me and my family sound like bad dog owners :(, but I swear the advil was in the bathroom (which we’d closed the door to) on a shelf we’d presumed to be out of reach. She opened the door (we found out later that the latch was wonky – if you pushed hard enough, the door would just open without turning the knob), climbed up on the toilet and chewed through the childproof bottle to eat the advil. She is not a dog who is easily deterred from whatever mischief she sets her mind to. Which is why we crate her now.

  50. I wouldn’t be so quick to discount AIT’s links.

    I mean, stick men drawn half-arsedly in Paint, with squished tomatos/mini bagettes for penises (obviously he’s got very good attention to detail, seeing as they’re also lovingly coloured)?

    Genius.

  51. Oh, are we talking about dogs being naughty and determined to get into stuff now? Sounds much more fun than talking to some bored guy.

  52. They’re talking about Roosh’s post over at AVfM now, at their newest rant about Mary Kellet

    They claim they don’t care what he said, but they sure do take out the time to explain why they think Roosh is wrong. Ha ha ha ha. It’s funny to see them arguing back and forth.

  53. David’s perfectly capable of defending himself, of course.

    My personal, very limited observation, experience is that PUA and MRA is actually very disjoint. And while you may think they each have bad ideas about women, they are actually very separate bad ideas.

    And your personal, very limited observation that they are “disjoint” trumps David’s understanding/observation, does it? You can agree or disagree with David as it suits you, but you don’t get to say that David’s conversation about this set of facts should be limited to a much smaller set of facts.

    Demonstrate that their bad ideas about women are in fact very separate bad ideas. “Women are sluts” isn’t that different from “women are sluts who’ll put out if you know the password.”

    Also, the statements you present re: size of MRA community demonstrates that you have reason to believe Roosh V is very much wrong about his statements towards Elam and MRAs. As a journalist, perhaps you should have made that clear, that your understanding of the situation demonstrates that Roosh V is full of it.

    Any straw to beat David with, is that it?

    If you’re really that bored, why are you still here? The sun may be shining where you are (it’s kind of murky here) and surely there’s something more interesting for you to do, if you’re that bored.

  54. My personal, very limited observation, experience is that PUA and MRA is actually very disjoint. And while you may think they each have bad ideas about women, they are actually very separate bad ideas.

    it’s ‘misogyny, i mock it’ not ‘misogyny, i suss out the nuances in various flavors of it’

    you don’t like getting lumped in with roosh? then stop being a hateful creep. don’t whine to david about it.

  55. When I was a kid, we had a cat who LOVED Oreos. Seriously, you would get out the cookie jar and he would beg for one. He only got one or two a year, cause we knew they were bad for him. But when he did get one, he was in heaven. He’d eat the whole thing, outside and all.

  56. Also, the statements you present re: size of MRA community demonstrates that you have reason to believe Roosh V is very much wrong about his statements towards Elam and MRAs. As a journalist, perhaps you should have made that clear, that your understanding of the situation demonstrates that Roosh V is full of it.

    Seriously, why the fuck should David do all this spelling out for you? If you don’t buy his “schtick” leave. He doesn’t owe you anything.

    I’m all for talking about naughty pets, instead. I’m bored with someguy’s schtick. That husky is awesome! I think it’s something my boxer-gremlin mix could figure out. When we first started crating her she figured out how to get out of the crate two different ways. One, by pushing so hard against the seams so that it would come apart enough for her to slip through (a la a dog slipping under a chain link fence) and then via nudging the latches so they’d come undone. We had to put metal ties on each of the edges and where the latches come together. Smart dog is entirely too smart for her own good.

  57. Demonstrate that their bad ideas about women are in fact very separate bad ideas. “Women are sluts” isn’t that different from “women are sluts who’ll put out if you know the password.”

    imo it should matter whether or not their ideas are separate. their hateful shit isnt any less hateful because there are different kinds of it. bored guy is just doing some sort of reverse guilt-by-association arglebargle because he lazily conflates things in his head and doesnt understand that not everybody does

  58. Roosh the Doosh is actually correct about MRAs. You humans are so silly and ridonkuluous that it makes me laugh even though I’m a cat and cats aren’t into humor cuz we’re not social animals. MRAs: You could learn a lot from your local tomcat!

  59. David, you didn’t mention your stance on Bert v. Ernie in your post! Your arguments therefore suffer, and you should seriously consider revising your post, if not your opinions, to better agree with my established facts!

  60. Some guy, if you’re going to be David’s boss now, you better make him a good offer for salary and benefits. I think full health and two weeks vacation would be reasonable, considering all the on-call custom work you’re requesting.

  61. @ostara321: My mother-in-law’s blue heeler mix keeps getting out of the fence. Either he’s pushing under the chain links, or he’s pushing at the gate until he can squeeze through. He never does it while he’s observed, in accordance with the Sixth Law of Thermodynamics viz. watched pots.

  62. howardbann1ster

    I love the way he keeps using ‘journalism’ as a club to beat David. Um, dude, have you ever taken any classes in journalistic ethics?

    Seriously, some-guy. Have you? Because you seem mighty confused on the subject.

  63. So…..I am actually supposed to be sad that misogynist fuckwads whose descriptions of sex range from unpleasurable for their partner to full-out donkey punching painful rape think that I am unattractive because of my weight and shape?

    Oh do cry me a river at the injustice of having to look at me in public.

    Do these guys also put on blinders when other men are around to avoid TEH GHEY, ya know, since looking at random people in public = all about their pantsfeels?

  64. Journalistic ethics means that if some random stranger says “you’re not a real journalist unless you jump for me,” the only ethical answer is “how high?”

    Right?

  65. howardbann1ster

    That’s why Dan Rather was able to win the gold medal for high vaulting all those years….

  66. I feel I must also add that even if I wasn’t in a situation where I regularly have joyful, pleasurable sex with an awesome partner, masturbation and h-manga would still be preferrable to the kind of “sex” these douchehounds have to offer.

    No sex ever > awful rapey neg sex

  67. In ’92/’93 there was a little bit of a vacation rush on foreign men (not just Westerners, but left-over “Arab socialist brothers”, mainly Algerians and Palestinians) in Wroclaw and Poznan by Polish women who had learned French/German/English in their courses of study. I had the benefit of working with one of the Israeli government’s cultural initiatives with Polish Jewry at the time, and was warned away from Polish women because of the Palestinian-entanglement issues. My impression was that the women had been straightjacketed for a long time and were finally letting loose, there was an awful lot of dancing (and sex) going on.

  68. howardbann1ster

    Some guy, if you’re going to be David’s boss now, you better make him a good offer for salary and benefits. I think full health and two weeks vacation would be reasonable, considering all the on-call custom work you’re requesting.

    Cliff, you totally win the internetz.

    David, unionize! Unionize!

  69. As the journalist presented the story, the moral was supposed to be “Good men, beware of evil foreign con artists who will suck your heart and your bank account dry!” I took it as, “Look! Two horrible people on different continents somehow managed to meet and get married!”

    I know a guy who got a mail-order bride. He told my husband that he interviewed a couple of women but turned one down because she “seemed materialistic.”

    Dude, these women are offering to marry you solely because you can get them out of poverty and into a wealthier country! Of course they’re “materialistic”! But good work choosing the one who was more successful at concealing it, I guess.

    I also once found, at a library book sale, a self-published book that was just some guy’s 200-page rant about the evils of foreign women, with special emphasis on the mail-order bride who up and left him the minute she got her green card. I should have ponied up a quarter and bought it. It was amazing.

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