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The whole world is watching … A Voice for Men “activists” making asses of themselves

Well,I got carried away there. It’s not literally the whole world. Only a teensy weensy portion of it.

The fellows at A Voice for Men, you see, evidently stung by criticism that they aren’t activists, have begun engaging in real, honest-to-goodness real-world activism, by which I mean that a handful of them, some in Canada and at least one in Australia, have been putting up posters advertising the AVFM website.

In other words, their activism consists of putting up posters for a website whose only activism thus far has consisted of putting up posters for itself.

Well, eventually they’ll get the hang of it, I guess.

In any case, the A Voice for Menners have discovered something about activism: if you do things that are offensive enough, people will be offended. And so they’ve managed to offend some people in Canada and in Australia where their posters have gone up. In Australia, there have even been a couple of news articles written about them! For example, one in Melbourne’s Herald Sun says:

A MAN who is littering the city with posters promoting a website that encourages men to support rapists has declined the opportunity to explain himself.

The website, which the Herald Sun has chosen not to name, is campaigning to get men sitting on juries for rape trials to “vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true”. …

The website’s publisher, Paul Elam, told the Herald Sun he was too busy watching the movie Air Force One to be interviewed, but later said by email he stood by the campaign.

Ooh! How very, very alpha of him.

Other articles (see here and here) describe the posters as “hate posters,” because one of them seems to suggest that women provoke domestic violence against themselves. The text of the poster reads “Domestic Violence Women Are Half the Problem.”

In fact, Elam and company are trying to suggest that women instigate half of all domestic violence, and thus are “half the problem,” but they’re so wedded to the easily misunderstood “half the problem” slogan that they somehow cannot seem to get this idea across in poster form. (This idea is itself incorrect, but that’s a whole other kettle of angry dudes.) Elam and company don’t quite seem to understand that an important part of activism is actually conveying your ideas to the general public rather than simply provoking people.

You can’t buy this kind of publicity!

Well, technically, you could, but no one would, because no one would willingly pay money for a publicity campaign that makes them appear to be hateful assholes — and in fact, even a teensy bit more hateful than they actually are.

So, congratulations, I guess?

If anyone wants to help AVFM in its publicity campaign, the super-sarcastic poster below, and a number of other poorly thought out and badly designed posters, can be downloaded from AVFM here by “anyone who wants to print and distribute them.”

Note: THIS IS A REAL AVFM POSTER. I didn’t make it up. See here.

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Posted on August 26, 2012, in a voice for men, actual activism, alpha males, antifeminism, are these guys 12 years old?, domestic violence, facepalm, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, paul elam, rape, rape jokes, rapey, the poster revolution has begun and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 421 Comments.

  1. some guy bored with your schtick

    Ugh, here is where you (or anyone) first used the word “beat”:

    “Like, seriously what did you want the judge to do? “I know you beat your kids when you’re angry, and I know you have refused any and all counseling options, so here! Have custody of toddlers for several days a week.” Yeah, that would turn out great.”

    Now, just a small gedanken experiment:

    Q: Most english readers reading this paragraph would believe Thomas Ball has hit his children: A) One time in his life. B) Multiple times. C) Many times and whenever he is angry?

    So not only did you first imply that Thomas Ball repeatedly hits his kids, but you have then spent the day insisting that a reasonable definition for “beat” is “hit only one time.”

    It’s nonsense like this plus the usual misrepresentative pile-on that is approved by the cohort here, that keeps feminism like yours a mostly fringe movement with young women these days often saying, “I like what feminism does, but I would never call myself a feminist.”

    My suggestion is you start being honest with others in forums, and one day you can be honest with yourself.

    Enjoy your hate.

  2. Cloudiah, do you mind if I link to your post in a quick post here?

  3. As for free speech, I know it’s not constitutionally protected in Australia, but I still think it’s an important thing to fight for. That said, I don’t think private citizens tearing down or defacing posters is an attack on it. All sorts of posters get torn off, torn up, painted on, defaced and pasted over. You put something on a wall, you take your chances.

    Well, unless you’re Banksy, I guess.

    Oh, totally agree there, Sir Bod; I do think we need it to be clarified, and perhaps the Constitution amended to reflect that. But the ‘free speech!’ ranters, here as in the US, are usually more about their right to hate speech than anything else (vis that arsehole ‘journalist’ Andrew Bolt whining about free speech when he was found guilty of racism recently). It rarely has anything to do with government.

    Ha, even Banksy loses out here sometimes – one of his works in Melbourne was vandalised (despite being put under perspex by the city council) and another was recently destroyed by workmen who didn’t know what it was! :D

  4. @some guy bored with a stick

    It’s nonsense like this… that keeps feminism like yours a mostly fringe movement with young women these days often saying, “I like what feminism does, but I would never call myself a feminist.”

    It’s funny how you never hear “I like what Men’s Rights Activists do, but I would never call myself a Men’s Rights Activist”, isn’t it? Oh right, you’d have to actually do something first, and no sensible people would like it anyway.

  5. Oh – and you should know, “pear” is an anagram for “rape”. The author is satirizing the vile, misandrist, nonsensical logic behind many feminist concepts, such as “Schrodinger’s Rapist”. It is absurdist humor, requiring mental nuance I wouldn’t expect any of the disgusting individuals here to possess.

  6. It is absurdist humor

    Well, sort of.

  7. Steele has GOT to be a Poe.

  8. When was the last time an MRM group set up a DV shelter? I’d like a list and compare it to the ones feminist groups have established.

  9. To be frank, I’ve predominantly given up on Boobzland; it’s been frankly frustratingly futile, and I also believe that some new faces are doing an excellent job taking you all to task – Joe, for example, I have great respect for. But this is simply too much.

    Is frank the new vile?

  10. @some guy

    Sure, I should have said kid (singular), though obviously someone who admits to one act of child abuse is also more likely to commit child abuse in the future.

    Happy? You have successfully split hairs on how much of a child abuser your movement’s hero was.

    Now, what do you have to say about the many MRA blogs who intentionally mislead people about why he lost custody?

  11. @pillowinhell

    Hate crime laws in Canada are a tricky thing. I believe the prosecutors would have to show that these posters are likely to incite violence or other serious consequences against women. As it stands, most people aren’t aware of the MRM, and what its really after.

    Most Canadians are going to a) not pay attention to the posters or b) see them and not really understand what they mean.

    In my secret fantasy someone does claim these posters are hate speech, Elam gets called into court, and then he argues that they aren’t because they’re so poorly done no one will get them, and besides so one really pays attention to MRAs anyway.

    It makes me giggle.

  12. To put it another way, if you’ve spent this long arguing semantics with someone who is pro-removing children from an abuser, maybe you could spend just a little bit of time arguing facts with people who are anti-removing children from an abuser.

    Enjoy your hate.

    I hate child abusers. I can live with that.

    Your movement hates people who protect children from abusers. Can you live with that?

  13. When was the last time an MRM group set up a DV shelter? I’d like a list and compare it to the ones feminist groups have established.

    The more relevant question is “has an MRM group ever done anything ever that demonstratably benefitted actual men in any way.”

    It’s a surprisingly easy question to answer.

  14. @Ugh

    The more relevant question is “has an MRM group ever done anything ever that demonstratably benefitted actual men in any way.”

    Well, it’s possible that some men who thought sexism doesn’t exist came across the MRM and went “golly gee willikers*, I didn’t think people hated women this much, I guess I should check my privilege”.

    *they were also old-timey newspaper boys.

  15. @Myoo
    Fair point

    @Yosei
    Sorry if I came across a bit caustic. It’s been one of those nights.

  16. To be frank, I’ve predominantly given up on Boobzland; it’s been frankly frustratingly futile,

    Frankly, the feminist feline fanciers of Manboobz feel frankly, forthrightly, and fervently fantastic about the future prospect of no longer facing your frankly fallacious and frothy foolishness, to be frankly frank, frankly.

  17. Wow, “some guy” sure has a big up his butt about the PRECISE WORD used to describe hitting a toddler hard enough to make her bleed.

    Because heaven forfend we make it sound like that’s a bad or violent thing.

    …Seriously, are you like this in real life? Someone tells a story about a toddler being hit and your first impulse is to pull out the ol’ Webster’s to argue that they’re using the wrong word? THAT’S what you think is super important here?

    Hey, new MRM poster idea:
    “It is a FEMINIST LIE that Thomas Ball hit his child.
    The TRUTH is he only hit her hard enough to draw blood.”
    See how many new fans that shit draws to your burgeoning movement.

  18. Whew, yeah, Polliwog. His alliteration was giving me the red ass too.

  19. Seriously, when words to the effect of “well, he didn’t make the toddler bleed THAT much, geez” are coming out of your mouth, it is time to fucking re-evaluate your life.

  20. I’m still confused about him saying he’s against the man hitting (or whatever word he likes better) the kid. Everything else he says would make me think he’d be in favor of the father having the right to do that (he does know it was a daughter, not a son, right?). YAY if he really does think it’s not a father’s right, but I keep thinking there’s got to be a typo and he’s missing a “not” or a “…n’t” or something in there.

  21. and btw Polliwog – I love your “f” alliteration!

  22. Varpole: Is this going to be the same as the abandonment of Anti-Manboobz? Can you stick the flounce?

    Will we care?

    I can tell you this… in five years the MRA will be about where it is and feminism is likely to be doing better.

    Because that’s the trendline.

  23. That does not excuse misandry in the court and the various ways family courts abuse people.

    But you agreed the courts were not out of line (though you cavil and say he should have been given visitation of the child he abused: he was given supervised visitation of his other children, because there was no allegation of abuse against them).

    So your argument is what? He was protesting against a larger evil? So you approve his protest, but condemn his exhortations. How does that work?

    You think he was a fool to not attend the anger management session he was ordered to attend.

    But he was totes being a justifiable activist when he said people needed to kill people to change the family courts, because he had been “maltreated”.

  24. Frank: I thought you had, “mostly given up on Boobzland”?\

    You did want to be Frank, right?

  25. @Rahu

    I think the problem some guy has is that he’s never thought through the implications of the MRA shit he believes. Obviously, if he’s a member of a movement, and cites a Ball’s protest as an example of your movement’s activism, he is saying that Ball’s protest was valid. In other words, he is saying that a child abuser’s protest at losing his children was valid.

    However, when this got pointed out, his reaction was “I can’t really believe that, can I? Maybe an embarrassingly bad misreading of Merriam-Webster can deflect attention from me!”

    Sadly, MRA blogs do not prepare people for having their beliefs thought through.

  26. *his movement’s activism

  27. To be frank, I’ve predominantly given up on Boobzland

    “I only post incoherent, repetitive screeds there four, five times a week, tops.”

    It’s nonsense like this plus the usual misrepresentative pile-on that is approved by the cohort here, that keeps feminism like yours a mostly fringe movement with young women these days often saying, “I like what feminism does, but I would never call myself a feminist.”

    Okay, buddy, let’s try a slightly different thought experiment. Which movement do you think would garner more support from people on the street – the one which says that Thomas Ball was an abusive asshole for hitting his kid or the one which is really really concerned that we specify the exact number of times he hit his kid because, I mean, he may have been a child-abusing terrorist but he doesn’t deserve to be slandered, amirite?

  28. Durn, forgot to put in that the first quote is from Frankpole and the second from some guy.

  29. From somebody, somewhere upthread:

    Or on sexual violence look at this from the US Dept. of Justice’s own Bureau of Statistics:

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?iid=2113&ty=pbdetail

    95% of adult staff sexually abusive juveniles in custody are women. Women do not make up 95% of juvenile correction staff. Therefore, in this case it seems that women may be more prone to perpetrating sexual abuse than most people are even comfortable considering.

    So I checked out your link, and I can’t find anywhere where it says that 95% of adult staff are female, or that 95% of female staff sexually assault juveniles, or whatever the fuck you’re failing to communicate.

    I did see it say this:

    About 2.6% of youth (700 nationwide) reported an incident involving another youth, and 10.3% (2,730) reported an incident involving facility staff. [...] Approximately 95% of all youth reporting staff sexual misconduct said they had been victimized by female staff. In 2008, 42% of staff in state juvenile facilities were female.

    So 95% of 10.3% of reported incidents of sexual misconduct involved female staff. That is NOT AT ALL equivalent to the vast majority of sexual abuse being perpetrated by women.

    It’s horrible that children are being abused by adults who are charged with protecting them.

    And again, instead of a sensible message like “Let’s stamp out sexual misconduct against juveniles in custody”, MRAs trot out bullshit like “Women are just as bad as men, so quit making it look like we’re bad when we commit sexual assault! Cuz women do it too, even more than us! So we should be allowed to do it too!”

    And THAT is why you fail as a social justice movement.

  30. Limerick time!

    There was once a fella named Elam
    who was watching Air Force One.

    Um. That’s where it ends. Weird…

  31. A bit late, but this is another genuinely useful resource for men who are victims of DV, or worried about their kids, or angry, or suicidal

    http://www.mensline.org.au

    If you are uncomfortable talking to women, don’t worry, all the counsellors here are men. (This was a problem my brother had – after abuse from a woman he was very mistrustful of women, and didn’t want to approach other support services in case the only people available were women.)

  32. To be frank, I’ve predominantly given up on Boobzland;

    So fuck off already, no one here will miss you.

    When you get right down to it, A Voice for Men is now sending its feelers into the real world – yes, it is a burgeoning human rights movement, and thus the first priority is to raise consciousness.

    Perhaps it should raise its own consciousness first, before sending its feelers into the real world.

    . His alliteration was giving me the red ass too.

    Blame it on the misandrist teacher who never let him develop his mad writing skillz.

  33. Y’know, when I first started hearing about MRAs, when I saw what they were writing and visited the manosphere, I was disgusted by the misogyny and hate. As a woman, just the fact that these people exist is terrifying. And maybe this makes me an evil feminazi, but yeah, at first, all I could see is how horrible these people were in regards to women.

    But now? I can’t get over how much harm they’re doing to men. Because I know guys who were victims of domestic violence, I know guys who were genuinely screwed by the court system*, and I just gotta say to the MRAs:

    Stop it. Right fucking now. You are hurting men who are already victims. Your bitterness and childishness is not only keeping you from accomplishing anything; you are actively hurting those that you claim to want to help.

    They are making men who have legitimate problems look like entitled babies. It’s not fair to wrap all guys who complain about the court system or who talk about abusive relationships to get lumped in with these assholes, but that is really all the MRA movement is succeding at, right now. And it makes me sick. It is already incredibly difficult for men who have been abused or raped to seek help, and even harder to actually get help*. That is where the energy of a real MRA movement should focus, if they actually gave a damn about helping men instead of hurting women.

    And y’know what, guys? You really should reach out to feminists. They are your natural allies. Most feminists I know are deeply troubled by the fact that boys who are sexually abused, men who are raped, and male victims of domestic violence don’t get the help they need. But feminists cannot staff hotlines for guys in trouble (as stated above) and they cannot create the needed shelters. However, a lot of feminists can tell you how to go about starting and running those hotlines and shelters, they can give you the support you need and teach you how to make your movement successful, because they have already traveled that path and they know the way. But, I know, that would mean actually *gasp* listening to women and respecting their knowledge. And, again, these assholes think it’s more important to hate women than help me.

    You fucking pricks.

    *I am not in anyway saying that women don’t face these issues or that it’s easy for women to get help.

  34. Sorry, that should have been “men” not me…and the sentence structure in the second sentence of the fourth paragraph really got away from me, there. Think you can still get my point, though. I should probably go to bed before I lose all ability to write a coherant sentence.

  35. @EEB, thanks for that.

  36. Enjoy your hate.

    Hmm, could some guy be a Slavey sockpuppet?

    In terms of the actual posters…they’re not exactly pithy, are they?

  37. Wow! So many MRA’s are starting to look like some serious douche-bags. I can’t believe that I have been brainwashed by them. The way how so many of them will not differentiate between moderate feminist and “radical” feminist. The way how they blame feminism on a whole and women for so much. I do believe that they’re issues that negatively affected men but, I really don’t see how it is the fault of feminism or women anymore. It’s like so many MRA’s don’t really care about these issues.They’re more concern with putting the blame on women and feminism. They also seem to have some political agenda. It is pathetic, I don’t need to be fed with any of their misogyny.

  38. “THIS IS A REAL AVFM POSTER. I didn’t make it up. See here”

    Wait, isn’t ‘The Unknown History of Misandry’ a satire?

  39. That Unknown HIstory Of Misandry blog is fascinating; traces the first MRA group back to 1926, and says Charlie Chaplin was a sympathiser.

    I had no idea they’d been so ineffective for so long.

  40. “It’s nonsense like this plus the usual misrepresentative pile-on that is approved by the cohort here, that keeps feminism like yours a mostly fringe movement with young women these days often saying, “I like what feminism does, but I would never call myself a feminist.””

    It’s nonsense like holding up child abusing terrorists as inspiration, plus the usual abuse apologia that is approved by the cohort there, that keeps MRA mostly a fringe movement with the majority of men these days often saying “NRA? Like, the gun people? Oh, what, M? MRA? What’s that? What? They WHAT?? BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!”

  41. Oh – and you should know, “pear” is an anagram for “rape”. The author is satirizing the vile, misandrist, nonsensical logic behind many feminist concepts, such as “Schrodinger’s Rapist”. It is absurdist humor, requiring mental nuance I wouldn’t expect any of the disgusting individuals here to possess.

    Yeah, we got that three pages ago, dipstick. We also pointed out the sadfail of this satirical device as it also uses pear to mean testicles and breasts.

  42. Here is a serious appeal to MRAs reading this blog.

    The so-called “War on Drugs”, here in the US and across the whole Western World and beyond, results in a huge number of (almost exclusively) men to be jailed, criminalized and killed. Whilst in prison, they are abused, often sexually. Literally millions of men are affected by this, in some cases entire communities. Even the most reactionary, deranged anti-feminist would have to concede that vastly more men are affected by the “war on drugs” than by “feminism/misandry”.

    http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

    Why don’t you do something to help these guys?

  43. Look, “some guy”

    There are multiple reasons a court can act as though hitting a toddler in the face to the tune of drawing blood is something to treat as though it was not an isolated incident.

    The child was very very young. The location of the blow was inexcusable, and the result showed excessive force. Why would anyone believe that was an isolated incident?
    Even if it was once, any reasonable person has reason to believe it would not be the last. Even parents that subscribe to corporal punishment choose the buttocks for good reason. The fact that you don’t get how disturbing that incident shows you minimize extreme violence. Ask parents that hit their kids what all those factors mean. This is beyond discipline old fashioned style, that was assault and battery.

    Again the child was very very young. There is simply no excuse, and nobody with any common sense is going to think, oops poor Thomas just lost it that one time. How does someone lose it that bad on a harmless child? It’s not even a sassy eight year old that pushed one too many buttons, the child was FOUR.

    So ok, people in the comments said “beat” and you took issue with that, but looking at all the factors here, you’re the one that looks like an abuse apologist ass. The people here are not looking like wild exaggerators so much. Hate to break it to you.

  44. @mayoo

    Your image here was hilarious.

  45. Ugh – thanks. That makes sense now.

  46. An Inconvenient Truth

    Roosh shows the MRAs some tough love.

    Basically a PUA is an MRA with the balls to take productive action.

  47. If by “productive” action, you mean “rape,” then, yes.

    That sure is AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH, huh?

  48. …Seriously, even excluding the fact that Roosh is an admitted rapist, all PUAs do is try and get laid.

    If that’s “productive action” for your social movement, then I weep for the depths of your oppression.

  49. Whoah AIT… that was hilarious. He told them they were ineffective pamphleteers on major men’s issues and pointed out they have started no men’s studies or laws, and blasted them for pretending they got a diaper commercial pulled and it was activism OUTSIDE the MRM…

    But wait…here’s the punchline, I had to stop reading here, I was loling so much.
    He goes on to make an important list of what Roosh has done in contrast to the MRM losers, and here is the first item on this itemized list, I shit you not….

    “I take personal action and encourage other men to do the same.

    At the same time I was complaining that American girls are fat, I was blasting inside Polish girls with perfect bodies. I tell men how to sleep with such women.”

    Yes, that happened. He posted that. Hahahahah.

  50. Cliff was right, kind of… he claims his action is sex, and helping men get it.

  51. Activism! Or at least possibly exercise, I guess?

    (For serious, they think that learning how to walk up to women and introduce themselves is activism. The greatest comedian in history couldn’t make this shit up.)

  52. Basically a PUA is an MRA with the balls to take productive action.

    What action? Rape?

    Telling men they aren’t woth anything if they aren’t getting lots of tail? And if you have to rape to get it, well then you have to rape to get it?

    Because is what your hero thinks is “productive action”

    “I take personal action and encourage other men to do the same.

    At the same time I was complaining that American girls are fat, I was blasting inside Polish girls with perfect bodies. I tell men how to sleep with such women.”

    Striking blows for the downtrodden men of the world by having sex, and insulting women.

    Some movement.

  53. An Inconvenient Truth

    If by “productive” action, you mean “rape,” then, yes.

    Good God… you people really do see rape in everything. Roosh is just telling MRAs to snap out of their victim mentality and approach attractive women instead of wallowing in pity blogs. Reading “RAPE!” in “get off your sofa and meet girls” is just insane.

  54. She was not referring to that blog, you idiot, she’s referring to Roosh admitting he rapes.

  55. Good God… you people really do see rape in everything.

    See the many previous examples listed in this very thread discussing why Roosh’s brand of game tactics are rapey. We don’t see rape in everything, we see rape in rape.

  56. thebionicmommy

    If I saw the pear poster up somewhere, there is no way I would actually read it because it’s so wordy. I would just assume it was some kind of get rich quick scam. People probably won’t tear those down as much, just because they would look at it, think “Too long, didn’t read”, and then go on with whatever it is they’re doing. So for the MRA’s that made it, congrats on boring people so much they won’t read your poster and then tear it down.

    The website’s publisher, Paul Elam, told the Herald Sun he was too busy watching the movie Air Force One to be interviewed, but later said by email he stood by the campaign.

    WE MUST TAKE OUR MESSAGE TO THE STREETS!!! Oh, hold on a second. I just saw in the TV Guide that The Doctors is going to have a show about foods that make you look younger. So we’re going to have to delay taking the world by storm so that I can watch that. Tomorrow’s no good either, because I need to go to my cousin’ dance recital. Shit, this activism is HARD WORK YOU GUYS!

  57. I was going to start a social justice movement, but then I remembered that I had YouTube, so I decided to go watch videos and chat on there instead.

    (Actually, that appears to be a decent description of what happened, just needs more profanity.)

  58. Thebionicmommy – I Sharpie the word “SCAM” on posters at my school advertising “summer work for students!” and “earn cash from home!”

    /good-samaritan

  59. Oh – and you should know, “pear” is an anagram for “rape”. The author is satirizing the vile, misandrist, nonsensical logic behind many feminist concepts, such as “Schrodinger’s Rapist”. It is absurdist humor, requiring mental nuance I wouldn’t expect any of the disgusting individuals here to possess.

    oh weird, the dude who’s dumb and bad at writing doesnt know what satire is that is a shocker

  60. If I saw the pear poster on public transit I’d read it. That’s because public transit in San Francisco is full of entertainingly weird people, though, so if I knew nothing about the MRM I’d probably read it, frown in confusion, and conclude that one of the older hippies who never quite recovered from too many acid trips in the 60s had made it. If I had colored pens with me I might doodle on it. Electric Kool-Aid Misogyny Test?

  61. Thebionicmommy – I Sharpie the word “SCAM” on posters at my school advertising “summer work for students!” and “earn cash from home!”

    That’s a good idea. It makes me sick how people could prey on people that are struggling financially and make their situations even worse. Those con artists are about as bad as sketchy contractors who steal peoples’ insurance and FEMA money. I don’t know how they live with themselves.

  62. Thebionicmommy – I Sharpie the word “SCAM” on posters at my school advertising “summer work for students!” and “earn cash from home!”

    Cliff Pervocracy is good people.

  63. Good God… you people really do see rape in everything. Roosh is just telling MRAs to snap out of their victim mentality and approach attractive women instead of wallowing in pity blogs. Reading “RAPE!” in “get off your sofa and meet girls” is just insane.

    Um, yeah, see we didn’t read “rape” in “get off your sofa and meet girls” we read rape in “She wants you wear a condom? Just stick your uncondomed dick in her until she stops complaining”.

    I’m all for telling the whiney “incels” of the MRM to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get a hobby, but that isn’t what Roosh does.

    Also, nice ableism there.

  64. Bugger, nija’d by everyone it seems.

  65. Rape aside (another one of those “re-evaluate your life” phrases)… chatting up women and trying to get laid is still not exactly saving men from the pains of systemic oppression.

  66. An Inconvenient Truth

    Um, yeah, see we didn’t read “rape” in “get off your sofa and meet girls” we read rape in “She wants you wear a condom? Just stick your uncondomed dick in her until she stops complaining”.

    Nice strawman. Here’s the actual quote: “When gearing up for the second act of sex, just diddle her vagina with your dick and stuff it in. If she objects, get a condom and try again next time. By the fourth of fifth time, you’ll be banging raw guaranteed.”

    Nope, not rape.

    Also, nice ableism there.

    For “get off your sofa?” Really?

  67. SOURCE: http://www.rooshv.com/16-different-types-of-game

    QUOTE: Rape Game: Used for when a girl is acting either difficult or prudish. Drag her to your place and tell her you’re going to have her way with her and there’s nothing she can do about it. Throw her on the bad, rip off her clothing, and do what you promised while ignoring her fake protests. With some girls you need to simulate rape conditions to get the bang, but be careful because rape game correlates highly to unprotected sex. The last thing a girl cares about when getting fantasy raped is using a condom. Also, you might want to use a fake name and safe house when running rape game in a Western country.

    THIS IS WHY WE SAY ROOSH IS A RAPIST.

    anyway, seriously, even if he was only promoting consensual sex, that’s some pretty shitty “political activism”

  68. @Truther

    Noticeably absent from that little passage are “Ask her if she wants you to keep shoving your penis at her, whether you’re using protection or not” and “If she says no to sex, even with protection, stop trying to have sex with her,”

    Fucking verbal communication, how does it work?

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