Ann Coulter channels Men’s Rightsers in her latest attack on single women
All you single ladies get off my lawn!
While single herself, the always belligerent Ann Coulter seems to have a bit of a grudge against other single women — single mothers in particular. In a recent appearance on Fox and Friends, Coulter complained that the Democrats — and the media — were paying too much attention to what women think, and suggested that Romney could win the election without appealing to women — or at least to single women.
Ronald Reagan managed to win two landslides without winning the women’s vote, but it is as you say, it’s striking, it’s not the women’s vote generically, it is the single women’s vote. And that’s because single women look to the government to be their husbands and give them, you know, prenatal care, and preschool care, and kindergarten care, and school lunches.
Huh. Well, this might answer the central question in that National Review piece we discussed yesterday — why Romney isn’t getting 100% support from women, even though he’s the sort of rich guy alpha that evolutionary psychologists suggest is inherently appealing to “hypergamous” (i.e., golddigging) women. Turns out these women are already married to Obama!
The notion of government as a “substitute husband” is, of course, an old Men’s Rights trope. Warren Farrell devoted roughly a third of his Myth of Male Power — the 1993 tome from which the Men’sRights movement still gets most of its talking points — to explicating this particular theme. And it’s one that MRAs today return to again and again and again and again. (The notion of the “husband state” also, not coincidentally, played a role in the sprawling manifesto of mass killer Anders Breivik.)
As for Coulter, this isn’t the first time she’s singled out the single ladies. In a recent appearance on Sean Hannity’s show on Fox, Coulter went after Obama and the Democrats for focusing on what she called the “stupid single women” vote. “And I would just say to stupid single women voters,” she added,
your husband will not be able to pay you child support. If Obamacare goes through and Obama is re-elected, you are talking about the total destruction of wealth in America. It is the end of America as we know it. …
Great, you will get free contraception; you won’t have to pay a $10 co-pay, but it will be the end of America. Think about that!
Coulter is so miffed that single women don’t like Republicans that she’d be willing to give up her own right to vote if it means these “stupid … women” wouldn’t be allowed to vote either. As she once famously explained,
If we took away women’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another Democrat president. It’s kind of a pipe dream, it’s a personal fantasy of mine, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. And it is a good way of making the point that women are voting so stupidly, at least single women. It also makes the point, it is kind of embarrassing, the Democratic Party ought to be hanging its head in shame, that it has so much difficulty getting men to vote for it. I mean, you do see it’s the party of women and ‘We’ll pay for health care and tuition and day care — and here, what else can we give you, soccer moms?’
Here’s a much more appealing take on single women. Well, honestly, it’s as terrifying as it is entertaining:
Posted on August 24, 2012, in $MONEY$, alpha males, antifeminism, antifeminst women, armageddon, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, reactionary bullshit, woman's suffrage and tagged ann coulter, anti-feminism, antifeminst women, feminism, misogyny, obama, single mothers, sinle women, women’s suffrage. Bookmark the permalink. 547 Comments.
Your one size fits all solutions do not work for everyone. How can people grow enough food to support themselves in a city? You need at least 20 to 40 acres of land to grow enough to provide all of your own food, and that’s if everyone in the family is a vegetarian. To get meat, you’d need up to 150 acres. I have a yard so I can do some gardening, but it’s only enough to cut down on food costs, not eliminate them.
If you’re talking about cooking from scratch, then yes, that’s a good way to cut grocery bills. But again, this doesn’t work for people that don’t have a kitchen or even electricity for cooking.
@shade
He socked 2 times before though. We didn’t know steele was varphole for awhile, he never said he was so we had to bother him to admit it. Then there was the torvus butthorn one. XD
To say that we should always give everyone what they need but not enable people to provide for themselves I believe is wrong.
Okay, but while we implement that long-term solution how many children should starve? Ballpark. 10? 10 thousand?
Speaking of not enabling people, did you know that many children start out life suckling from a literal teet? They just lie there and get food. Babies need to cut that lazy shit out.
That sounds great to me. The actual solution to that will be way more effective if we focus on creating jobs and raising the minimum standard of living (raising minimum wage, penalizing companies that outsource labor to cheap foreign markets, and keeping food and housing prices down) as opposed to policing people marital status.
But we are never going to get rid of poor people who need government help. At least, not as things currently stand. You can’t just make everyone in the entire country middle-class or higher–the free market dictates that someone always has to be the underdog, because no matter how much the lowest income bracket makes, prices will always rise until someone can’t afford them. It’s kind of the definition of capitalism, in fact.
@jumbofisch
I dunno, this one doesn’t seem quite as bad at writing as mikey.
And yeah, dude, dad’s gonna come home from his factory job and immediately go to work in the family fields. And if mother has a job — and she’ll have to in your “no government programs for poor people” world — she’ll just be so glad when she gets home at 5:30 AM after third shift at the plant is over and go clean out the chicken coop. And then to the kitchen to prepare nutritious home-grown family meals!
Why do I envision tmason’s living quarters as containing a single pot containing a dead cactus.
Before we can find solutions to get deadbeat dads to come back we need to find out what makes them in the first place. That’s where I’d start.
To take one step further back; we have to recognize it as a problem. You refer to the nuclear family as a “1950’s sitcom fantasy” when the vast majority of people move towards that. All over the globe.
Are you suggesting that we should promote policies that foster two caregivers as a family?
LMFAO! My bad, I didn’t realize that was an option! :-)
@Bagelsan
Projecting again.
@Tmason
Well, yes and no. If you have a wide variety of food at reasonable prices nearby, and a lot of time and a good kitchen, it certainly can be. People who have all that aren’t really the people we’re talking about.
if you live in a food desert, for example, buying it pre-made is going to be a heck of a lot cheaper.
I don’t want to make any assumptions, here, but why is Tmason so supportive of Stalin? Stalin wasn’t a good guy.
Tmason,
Want to get me, a single childless woman, off government assistance programs like food stamps and programs for indigent veterans? Call up my $500/hour boss and tell that dickcheese to pay me a living wage for the numerous ways in which I bust my ass for him. Better yet, convince him to hire me on as a permanent W-2 employee instead of leaving me as a long-term temp from now until Doomsday, which he does because he knows that with 100+ applicants for every job in my field, I ain’t going anywhere in the near future. I get to suck it up and be grateful for my pittance while he gets to pocket the savings and go on vacation for the fifth time this year.
Then go out and do that with every single employer from now until forever.
Also, convince Congress to raise the minimum wage to reflect inflation and the fact that CEO pay has risen 127 times faster than worker pay because those evil greedy fucks would rather outsource jobs to India so they can get away with paying people pennies on the dollar rather than invest in the American workforce.
There’s your solution, toots. Better get cracking.
It’s great to provide for the women now but we need to work on ways to reduce single motherhood and not simply enact policies that help people in the short term.
What?
The short term should be ignored? The perfect is the enemy of the good.
As to the “ways to reduce single motherhood”. Why?
I’d rather we enable the caregivers to provide the lunch for their children versus school lunch.
How do you propose to do that, since you are against simple assistance.? A significant number of thos who avail themselves of school food programs have jobs, but fail to have enough to provide. You seem willing to let them fall through the cracks. You also say the reason single motherhood is a problem is because two (and sometimes more) caregivers are needed to take care of the children.
There is a non-sequitur there; unless you plan to mandate marriage/partnership there will be single mothers. The other is the bit about more than two… who is that third/fourth person? How to do they fit in, and who is providing support for them, and how?
Tmason: False assumption #1: That I agree with Ann Coulter’s political positions.
So far you’ve not disagreed. In fact the things you have said are in accord with her political positions. So, in action; no matter what you may think, you are in agreement with her political positions, no matter what sophistries you may attempt to the contrary.
No, people can ask. Instead, people leaped into assumptions because it was easy to shoot someone down.
Why should they? From the blocks you were hostile. From there you have refused to answer the questions you’ve been asked, preferring instead to deflect with non-responsive counter questions and an air of blasé, world-weary disaffection as well as one of presumptive superiority.
That’s sure to go over well everywhere.
False assumption #2: I side with the rich.
See above, re your agreement with Ann Coulter. Same rules apply.
Never said they didn’t benefit. Read again; I said they have “less of a need”.
Do they? They are getting aid without having to apply for it. They are getting that aid without the social stigma attached to it. They can afford to not look at the nuts and bolts of the gov’t aid they get because it’s invisible to them. The lessened need they have for school lunches is because the gov’t is already helping them.
You, however, are arguing they don’t have the need. Well they may not need it, but we don’t know, because they are getting it, automatically.
Troll is boring and won’t answer questions.
Hey, you guys heard about Mitt “Married Ladies Love Me” Romney’s little birther joke in Michigan, right: “No one’s ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that we were born and raised.”
Someone started a Twitter hashtag #futuremittjokes
Some highlights:
“I never get stopped and frisked in New York City either.”
“Barack Obama is only three-fifths the man I am.”
“I never get pulled over when driving one of Ann’s Cadillacs.”
“No one has ever left a noose on my door.”
“No one ever burnt a cross on *my* lawn.”
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
So, specifically, what do you think causes deadbeat dads to leave?
The “irreconcilable differences” causing the two people to split apart are already severely disruptive to the children, so that’s a moot point.
The case of abusive fathers speak for themselves and as such we build options for them. That said, the vast majority of men are not abusive towards the children and should play an extremely active part of the child’s life. Weekend daddy shouldn’t cut it.
TMason, there is a solution if you feel people are inaccurately projecting what your positions are.
Ready?
State clearly what your positions are.
So you are angry at others (in this case MRAs) and throwing that anger unto me. Got it.
CEO pay has risen 127 times faster than workers’ pay over the last 30 years.
But hey, greed is good, right? Or is it what’s good for the individual isn’t good for society? Maybe I’m just confused in my silly ladybrain.
Oh, I get it, this troll is another “agorist” who believes that the individual should be an island without any need of help from anyone else ever.
No. See, once they’ve split up, the irreconcilable differences probably won’t be as disruptive for the children, who are no longer seeing their parents fight every day and instead get to see them go on with their lives, find more appropriate partners, restore their emotional health, etc.
What options should we build for abusive men?
“So you are angry at others (in this case MRAs) and throwing that anger unto me.”
Uh, yeah, genius, I’m “throwing that anger at” you because it’s obvious you’re one of their fellow travelers, with your boohooing about poor weekend daddies and your pseudo-worry about all those broken marriages. If it looks and quacks like a duck it’s a fucking duck. You are a duck.
For the love of Jeebus, just say what you think! I know you think that by pussyfooting around and JAQing off you can make yourself a small target for counterargumnents, but a) it’s not working; people are attacking you anyway and b) if I don’t know exactly what you’re getting at no one can effectively argue but, get this, no one can really agree either.
I bring you pineapple zombie.
Food deserts are a simple case of supply and demand. A catch 22 if you will.
There needs to be a demand for the produce for the companies to stock it; but people can’t drive up the demand based on much of what we are talking about.
With the underlying point, however, it is still cheaper to buy food in the store (healthy or not) and cook it yourself versus buying it pre-made.
Projecting always says more about you than it does about me.
he said, completely ignoring the value of preparation time, which increases significantly for low-income people.
Boring troll is still boring. You know what isn’t boring? A cranky bulldog puppy:
Tmason, if you’re the same tmason I was in law school with this past year in Massachusetts, I’m going to have some choice things to say next time I see you. Because the Tmason I know from law school is actually a decent guy and I would hate for him to have fallen to your level.
The time of low-income people is of little value! Therefore, this is not a significant cost!
D’awww, bulldog puppy. He is so grumbly and squeaky and wrinkly!
Yep, definitely an agorist/voluntaryist. Maybe this one’s Joe.
I think that the 1980 film Flash Gordon was better than Star Wars.
I have now made a more definite, substantive and controversial statement than Tmason has or, I suspect, will.
Okay, so this was a while ago and all, but I have to ask: is it 1995 again?! Is Tmason my 8 year old brother? Hey Tmason, if you wave your finger in my face am I not allowed to get mad because you’re not touching me?
@aworldanonymous
If I knew where they lived I’d go disconnect their sewage disposal system in a heartbeat, see how long they last without all that government-sponsored shit removal.
I’d supply them with the necessary cholera treatments if they’re really pigheaded, because I am sort of a nice person like that.
(I love the sewage example. 1. It’s a very basic universal need 2. people never think of it and 3. the consequences of it not being there are obviously foul.)
Citation needed.
So, you’re calling for fathers to actively participate in their children’s lives in lieu of government support? That sounds good (where it’s possible, of course.). You do realize that government support for children comes in the form of money or things money can buy, right? So you’re pro-child support then, right?
When puppy shook his paw at the camera at about 0:08 I almost died of the cuteness.
Aww. Puppy is all “I AM TOTALLY FIERCE AND SCARY WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME TWO-LEGS?”
Not unlike our current troll.
Oh sweet baby cheeses, that’s not what a catch-22 is at all.
Equal time* for cats:
*Actually, this video is significantly shorter than the puppy video.
clairedammit, it is SO a catch 22 [sic] and stop projecting that it isn’t!!
Essentially, my personal belief is that irresponsibility begets irresponsibility. If boys are around men that leave their mothers, they tend to do the same. So we need to focus on rebuilding the sense of commitment that one would have to not just their wife and kids, but to their community.
I like the idea of a mandatory 2-4 years of rebuilding the community with a disciplined male role model. The boy scouts come to mind but I wouldn’t want kids to trek out of the city. Rather, I’d focus on keeping them inside the city/neighborhood and learning skills/trade/etc.
This would be independent of college (they would probably start when they are 15-16 and end when they are 20-22). The organizations would be private as I believe there is much flexibility needed in such an approach with the caveat that all of the people who interact with the children have no sexual or violent criminal history.
In addition, there needs to be something in place for helping people build better relationships; although I would need to think more on what such a program/service might be.
Easy to knock down strawmen, isn’t it?
Tmason, are you um, for small government?
@Sir Bodsworth
But like, better than the whole Star Wars franchise, better than episode IV, better than the first trilogy(IV-VI)? These are important facts you neglected to provide!
Although Brian Blessed was in Flash Gordon, and that’s always a plus.
GORDON’S ALIIIIIVEEEE!!!!!!!!!! DIIIIIIIIIIVEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Ooh, you know who should totally run all those private mandatory boy camps? Blackwater! They’re private and I hear they’re totally legit and not prone to horrible abuses of power!
Ahhh, but how about we foster more community gardens and decouple people from the rat race of having to build a career to make enough money to spend it on services you can do yourself?
Yawn, this dude is boring. He meets any argument with “you’re projecting” or “you’re knocking down a straw man” (actually, you set straw men on fire but never mind), and he throws around clichéd catchphrases like “catch-22) without seeming to actually know what they mean. It’s like trying to have a conversation about The Problem of Evil with a small, rather stupid child. I’m done.
Wait, so in Tmason’s mind his elaborate scheme for some kind of fatherless boys highschool/college thing is good, and yet school lunch assistance for families who qualify is some huge drain on society? Wut?
As to the issue of childcare: Traditionally it was aunt’s, elder siblings (usually sisters) grandmothers, etc. who provided childcare.
The, post-WW2 years were anomalous, in that there was a significant middle-class which could afford to have a single wager earner.
With the changes to the economy that’s not been the case since the middle-seventies (and for the poor has never been the case).
Presently childcare costs more than the median rents, and more than attending college.
The cost of center-based care for one child was higher than the annual median rent in 22 states and D.C., and the expense of child care for two children exceeded the cost of rent in all states,
Six things that cost more than childcare
Tmason: Everyone can read other’s thoughts via the comments. Interesting.
Isn’t it? It’s called written communication, and when engaged in with good faith, and an honest intent to communicate it works well.
When one of the players has a hidden agenda, or fails to engage in good faith it struggles.
Reynardine: I am going to call her an ugly he-woman exactly because she has the gall to gender-police real women
And you will be wrong every time you do it, because it has fuck all to do with her arguments. It’s abusive. It’s presumptive. It’s cruel as all fuck; because it implies there is some connection between her presentation and the evil of her politics.
It makes you look like a douchecanoe when you do it.
Doubling down on it makes you a douchecanoe, staight up.
Her underlying point was that single women are voting for sustenance via the government. It isn’t false.
Prove it. Prove the women who vote Democratic are looking for sustenance via the gov’t.
I don’t have a problem with that; what I do have a problem with is the idea that we should never try to move people away from that. To say that we should always give everyone what they need but not enable people to provide for themselves I believe is wrong.
Show us where we said that. I’m sure you can, since you wouldn’t dream of making inference from what people said. Only the black and white of their written words can be attributed to them… right?
You’d think that school lunches consisted of caviar and wagyu beef.
Thanks for not answering my questions, you hand-waving fuck. It is not as simple as you wish was.
@Aworld: what’s with the foals and ponies in your posts?
Then I thought of The Good Life, then I thought of this:
@SNOWY
LOGIC DETECTED! EXTERMINATEEE! *PEWPEW*
@ Tmason “I like the idea of a mandatory 2-4 years of rebuilding the community with a disciplined male role model.”
There are hardcore surrealists who wish they could write something this absurd.
@ Myoo – good point. Obviously, better that the average of all six movies. I don’t think that’s a very controversial suggestion. My heresy is that I also think it’s better that the average of the original 3 films (eps. iv-vi). I’m even inclined to think it better that ‘A New Hope’, which was, of course the best of the of the original 3. (Empire can bite me.)
Even when he answers questions, his “answers” just lead to more questions. He’s a a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma, slathered with grilled onions, and served with a side of slaw.
This doofus is sounding a LOT like Br___n, with his goalpost moving and weasel words.
@ Sir Bodsworth
It’s reminiscent of Om Nom and his scheme to replace humans with robots, no? Our trolls have been taking a turn for the even more out of touch with reality than usual recently.
Ahahaha! Vyvyan for the win!
Also, is it just me or does this sound like the beginning of a porno plot?
One problem that rarely is mentioned is the issue of mass society. Simply put, we have become too big to care about the problems facing everyone. I absolutely support projects for creating jobs, but remember that on the same token we have become much better and more efficient with manufacturing and construction; to name a few areas.
For example, how many jobs were lost with Netflix/Hulu/Youtube? All of those video stores and the jobs they employed gone not because either of those companies/subsidiaries outsourced those jobs but because quiet simply we don’t need those services anymore.
As a result? Even if we had initiatives we create work we would find that we wouldn’t need that work or that we could do it far more efficiently without said human capital. The end resultant is an increasing number of unemployable people whose services have become outdated.
Hence what I am saying with the need to decrease the utilization, over time, of government services. How can people care for one another if they don’t know the person needing care exists? We already see vast amounts of poverty and yet most people don’t bat an eye because the running assumption is that the government is taking care of them.
Tmason, what are your thoughts on gold, marriage, and video taping sex partners without their consent or knowledge?
@ Cassandrasays – Yuppers! Apparently, there are thousands – possibly millions – of disciplined male role models who could be providing a good example for the youth of today, but can’t until some bizarre scheme allows them to – nay, mandates that they must.
Also community gardens are nice, but they’re voluntary, and arable land is expensive.