Heartiste: Women athletes are mannish uggos because “women’s natural bodies are not evolutionarily designed to run, throw, fight or lift optimally.”

An innately unsexy lady athlete somehow cons a dude into kissing her.

So over on Chateau Heartiste, the Dude Who Used to Call Himself Roissy seems personally affronted that the female athletes in the Olympics, by and large, didn’t live up to his wet dreams of Perfect Womanhood. In one post, he hails a Turkish newspaper columnist (yes, the same one we talked about here) who complained about the allegedly unwomanly bosoms of female Olympians, and offers his own less-than-complimentary assessment of their looks:

Who with the eyes to see hasn’t noticed the narrow hips, the grotesque six-pack abs (never a good look on women), the chest “stubs”, the linebacker shoulders, and the manjaws of an inordinate number of the female Olympians?  

So why does it matter that Roissy/Heartiste couldn’t get a boner watching the Olympics? Apparently because these women are violating the PRIME DIRECTIVE, which forbids representatives of the United Federation of Planets from “intervene[ing] in matters which are essentially the domestic jurisdiction of any planetary social system.”

Sorry, that’s the PRIME DIRECTIVE from Star Trek. These gals are violating what Roissy/Heartiste thinks are mother nature’s PRIME DIRECTIVES (plural) for women, which are to look pretty and make babies. No, really. You see, women aren’t actually supposed to be, or look, athletic. It’s SCIENCE.

[W]omen must conform more to the male physique ideal in order to compete successfully in sports, and particularly elite sports, because women’s natural bodies are not evolutionarily designed to run, throw, fight or lift optimally like men’s bodies are designed to do.

Yeah, there’s no evolutionary advantage in being athletic, if you’re a gal. Evidently female hunter gatherers during humankind’s “environment of evolutionary adaptedness” didn’t ever run or throw or carry or fight anything or anyone, spending most of their time hanging out in cave clubs and texting their friends on their Smart Rocks.

Women’s bodies are — and I know this will get under the skin of the right sort of losers — shaped by the relentless laws of nature to fulfill TWO PRIME DIRECTIVES.

Visually please men.

And bear children.

Everything else women do is commentary.

Apparently Roissy/Heartiste has become an amateur Torah scholar. (And not a very good one, at that.)

You might be wondering: if Roissy/Heartiste really believes in all the evolutionary psych crap he constantly spouts, why on earth would he care that some women aren’t fulfilling their evolutionary duty to give him boners? Won’t they just get bred out of existence? What does it matter to him?

Well, evidently Roissy/Heartiste was feeling so defensive about people asking this very question that he wrote a whole other post explaining, sort of, why he cares. Sorry, why he totally doesn’t care.

The issue being raised was never about how much it personally mattered to me, or affected my own life. That’s the problem with you unthinking liberals — you always want to reframe an argument you find distasteful, or you find yourself on the losing end of, into a personal matter, a position from which it’s easier for you to morally strut and preen and preach fire and brimstone from your tawdry little masturbatoriums.

Yeah, you strutting masturbatoriumizing liberals! How dare you ask him why he spends so much of his life complaining about the bodies of women who don’t give him boners?

He continues:

The morality, or lack thereof, of manned-up women competing in the Olympics is not the point of the Olympic female athlete post. No one’s rights are abridged if some manly swole she-beast hoists 400 lbs above her head, nor is any moral law du jour violated. The point here is to remind the losers and equalists and assorted anti-realists that there is nothing inherently empowering about female sports participation unless one defines empowerment as “becoming more man-like”. It is also to address, honestly and truthfully, the obvious fact that a lot of female athletes are just quasi-men, in appearance, musculature and temperament.

Boy, there’s a brave and original notion.

Therefore, the encouragement of women by the media industrial complex into elite sports mostly rests on a foundation of denying women their feminine essence.

Huh. In his first post on the subject, Roissy/Heartiste complained about the “narrow hips” and “manjaws” of female Olympians. Did the evil “media industrial complex” somehow lure women into developing narrower hips and less-rounded jaws? Is Roissy/Heartiste some kind of Evo Psych Lamarckian?

A nation that wasn’t fucked in the head with an overload of kumbaya horseshit would not shy away from this bald truth of the reality of sex differences, and would realign its cultural incentives so that a proper balance was restored, reflecting innate biological reality, until sports programs and funding return to what they once were: mostly geared toward men.

If “innate biological reality” demands that women remain unathletic (and thus pleasing to Roissy/Heartiste’s eyes and penis), why are there any female athletes in the first place? If athletic women are by definition going against nature, why bother talking about culture at all, much less the urgent need to “realign cultural incentives?”

Evo Psych types like Roissy/Heartiste like to pretend that it’s biology, not culture, that sets up the allegedly innate differences between men and women. But somehow culture matters again when people stubbornly refuse to conform to their supposedly natural roles.

At the very least, the feminist propagandizing of female sports empowerment has to end, and hand-wringing over “equal representation” needs to become a shameful relic from this ugly, god-willing bygone era.

Huh. So I’m beginning to get the impression that you do care about all this, after all.

In the comments, some dude calling himself Maximin manages to be even more pompous than Roissy/Heartiste himself, declaring that

feminism … aspires, in the name of equality, to make women in to men, but revealing, at the same time, the inherent hatred of women that is feminism. This is not equality—rather this is bigotry against women. By forcing women to act like men—to look like men, to have the musculature of men, to date like men, to have sex like men, to work like men, what they are saying is: the male body and the creations of the male body are superior to the female body and the creations of the female body. Therefore, change the female body into the male body and hence allow the female body to then create male works (and from what we have seen, these masculine women can only, at best, land in mediocrity).

And of course, it’s ugly women who are to blame for it all:

It comes from a hatred of the female—most likely from highly masculine women who are naturally more intelligent and competitive than highly feminine women. They cannot garner the attraction of men because they are ugly, so they scorch of the earth of femininity, and suddenly the scales are tipped in their favor. Beware a masculine woman scorned: she will burn down the world and rebuild it in her favor.

Fellas, be careful! If you don’t watch out, Holley Mangold will sneak into your bedroom at night and LIFT YOU OVER HER HEAD!

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Posted on August 20, 2012, in antifeminism, disgusting women, evil fat fatties, evo psych fairy tales, grandiosity, heartiste, it's science!, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, narcissism, patriarchy, PUA, reactionary bullshit and tagged , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 231 Comments.

  1. You know how long those allegedly nurturing, womanly beings called nurses have been lifting and moving patients sometimes double their weight?…

  2. @aworldanonymous: my suggestion would be to straight-up say to individuals that you have problems identifying boundaries, and you would like clear feedback on when you’re violating them. And when they give you that feedback, thank them and back off.

    A long time ago, I had a co-worker who’d had a brain injury that resulted in his not being able to tell when he was being inappropriate. He and his team worked out a system that worked for them, which was essentially that they would tell him when he was stepping out of bounds, and he would stop doing whatever it was that made them uncomfortable. They all agreed that those interactions were straight information-sharing. There was no blaming, no hurt feelings, and no drama. And everybody got along nicely during work hours, which was all anybody wanted.

    Also, check out Captain Awkward:

    http://captainawkward.com/2012/08/07/322-323-my-friend-group-has-a-case-of-the-creepy-dude-how-do-we-clear-that-up/

    http://captainawkward.com/2012/08/11/the-c-word/

    Her commentariat have awesomely good advice.

    In my experience, socially-awkward people who have good intentions don’t come across as predators, and it’s the predatory thing that makes people creepy.

  3. Also, what clairedammit said. Don’t hang out with people who make you feel bad about yourself. Unfortunately, some people get a lot of entertainment out of making people feel bad about themselves.

  4. I’m considerably less tolerant of creepy behavior than is typical, and I’ve worked around a lot of guys who’re on the spectrum (used to be in the tech industry). None of them have ever creeped me out – it was always Handsy McLeery the hotshot sales manager that gave me the creeps, not the awkward programmer who talked my ear off about some random subject he was obsessing about.

  5. Yeah if someone says you are creepy it doesn’t always mean you are. Some people think being quiet, shy, or introverted = creepy.

  6. I think I really need to stop anxietying about having been that “different” kid in public school, people far more experienced than me, from you guys to my family, to friends of mine IRL who are in university and/or have degrees seem to define creepy in a different way than high school kids do.

  7. If someone says you’re creepy that doesn’t mean you are, but if someone says they are uncomfortable around you and please go away and you don’t, then that’s creepy.

    So yes, if people ask you to go away, doing so is the correct response.

  8. Also I really think being around older people will help. High school kids are assholes, generally – it’s an environment that lends itself to anyone who’s visibly different being singled out and picked on. That aspect of social behavior gets a lot less common as people get older, thankfully.

  9. @Tatjna

    I kind of figured that much, again, I could just be anxious about how my social life was in high school, a lot more people there seem to define creepy as quiet, shy and/or introverted.

  10. @aworldanonymous People have different things that turn them off from wanting to interact with another person. So even if you try your best not everyone is going to respond well to you. If you are the message that someone is uncomfortable or doesn’t want to be around you, leave them alone and go find someone else to interact with. This has been something I’ve had trouble with being border-line aspie too and once I accepted that things became less stressful.

  11. Also going to echo being around adults being a big help. Highschool sucked but college and afterwards has been so much better, teenagers are assholes.

  12. Yeah, IIRC we had to watch “What About Bob?” in one of my classes in high school, and one of the metaphors he used was to treat people like phone booths, if one doesn’t work, try the next one.

  13. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    We need a time machine to bring some of the women warriors of ancient cultures here … they could give Roissy a really personal demonstration of their strength and skill with swords and spears …

  14. The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

    Hey, if ‘alpha’ has gone, does that mean I have to tell my Katie-cat she’s not really the alpha female of the household? She won’t like that one little bit, she likes being Miss Bossy too much. :)

  15. High school can be awful. I enjoyed some of my classes and had some good friends, but I was considered a nerd and I wasn’t popular at all. We had mandatory pep rallies (both the principal and vice-principal were former coaches) and I would get ice and paper cups thrown at me by some of the other students during them, because I wasn’t enthusiastic enough about our lackluster football team.

    College was much better. So, aworldanonymous, I think things will improve for you once you’re in college.

  16. We need a time machine to bring some of the women warriors of ancient cultures here … they could give Roissy a really personal demonstration of their strength and skill with swords and spears …

    OOOOOOO, yes, TKUH!

    I’m thinking Boudicca, for example.

  17. So for those of us who don’t mind darker electronic music as brain bleach I offer up one of the most original and inventive artists in the modern day electro-industrial scene.

  18. Roissy’s rant reminded me of Jenna Marbles’ video on Sports Bras in response to the columnist. If you don’t want watch her whole rant, at 2:25 she compares her body dressed up as a athlete versus her body in a bikini. Jenna received a Masters in Sports Psychology from BU and previously worked as a go-go dancer.

    It’s amusing that for someone to claims to know so much about women’s bodies, he doesn’t know a lot about how they look.

  19. Argenti Aertheri

    Unter Null? O.O! Yes please!

    On topic — down side of moving back in with my parents? I spent the entire Olympics listening to this shit from my father — he was literally unable to watch a sport with women in it without going on about their breasts, or lack thereof, or “look at that one’s nose”, or some other shit about “that broad”. (And I’m apparently the problem because I have an attitude problem when it comes to replying to his shit and I swear and he’s sick of me and ARGLEBARGLE)

    …that was only half on topic, sorry <.>

    The Kittehs’ Unpaid Help — wolves may not have alphas anymore but afaik certain fish species still do, so call the kitteh an alpha if you want? (I’m thinking of clown loaches here, and they usually have an alpha female, which would just royally piss off the MRM XD )

  20. Argenti Aertheri

    Wow, I am out of practice at this whole internet thing, I broke my cranky face!

    >.< — twice over now (and my apologies for both the personal rant, and the double post)

  21. @ersatzmoons

    I wish there was a way to go over to Roissy’s blog and say “fucking sports bras – how do they work?” without giving him my IP address.

  22. Tor proxy!

  23. The sixpack thing is utterly nuts, even by Roissy’s standards. Words do not exist to describe someone who finds a sixpack on a woman unattractive. They really don’t.

  24. So we’re fit-shaming now? Gotcha

  25. Obviously there’s an evolutionary advantage to women being athletic, because after all, we are athletic. That women have often been treated as fragile little flowers is purely cultural, and probably meant to feed the male ego.

  26. I dunno, I think there’s some credit to the evolutionary aspect. Although there’s nothing wrong with what a woman wants to do with her body, this appears to be an attempt at “equalizing” our physical differences, when they are, clearly different. Ignorance is not tolerance.

  27. @teiresias

    They do, and one of them might be “lowquacks” if I were keen on describing things as unattractive rather than just Not Being Into Them. Having opinions on what you dig lookswise is one thing; typing long angry gender-policing rants about people who don’t fit your standards implying that women are only good for sex is quite another.

  28. lowquacks:

    Well, that’s the key difference isn’t it?

  29. Yeah, I have to back lowquacks up here. I don’t find super muscly women particularly attractive (or super muscly men either, actually). That’s a personal sexual preference, and it’s a rather different thing from insisting that nobody in the world finds physical characteristic X attractive and therefore it is bad and wrong for people to have that characteristic.

  30. >until sports programs and funding return to what they once were: mostly geared toward men.

    I would really like to make a joke about how those “Sexy Sport Clips” aren’t about sport at all, but I think it would go over everyone’s head.

  31. I find it both funny and sad how much time these PUA and MRA types devote to getting angry about the fact that People They Don’t Find Attractive exist and have the audacity to uhm, do things in public. Shouldn’t they be out banging the ones they think are attractive, rather than raging about people they don’t like? What an appalling misuse of their time!

  32. Could we not try to fight misogyny with sexually framed pictures of sportswomen’s bottoms with objectifying commentary? It doesn’t work, for a start.

  33. Ok ok, I hate those motivational parodies too but that was the best picture I could find of sportwomens bodacious backsides. FYI: It does work. Athletes are proud of their bodies and don’t seem to get butthurt over being admired for them. Unlike some feminists!

  34. Ok ok, I hate those motivational parodies too but that was the best picture I could find of sportwomens bodacious backsides.

    Takin’ a wild stab here but, MSN, is that you?

  35. All you really need to know to debunk their stupid arguments is “is =/= ought”. If we, for the sake of argument, assume that a woman’s evolutionary fitness in the past was solely determined by her fertility and her hotness, it doesn’t follow that it’s wrong for women to do other things than being hot and having babies.

    And as been pointed out already, it’s not like men’s bodies are designed by nature to perform olympic feats. Both female and male olympics need to train like crazy to perform as they do.

    Men do have an advantage over women in many sports due to more testosteron, more muscle mass, being overall bigger etc. But it’s still terribly weird to say that female athletes are “like men”. A female olympic sprinter, for instance, is WAY way faster than a “normal” man.

  36. We could write his comments for him at this point.

    “I like butts. Also robots. Butts, robots, and trolling – these are my only interests.”

  37. @Uminganiative: I don’t think Mech was the one who coined the term “alpha male”. I’ve read older studies about wolves where the term is used. Mech, however, started to study wolves in the wild, and discovered that wild wolves have a different pack structure from zoo wolves. Older researchers had simply assumed that wolves in the wild behave just like the one’s in zoos do.

    Basically, if you take a bunch of unrelated wolves and through them into an enclosure, there will be lots of fights. Males will fight males, and females will fight females. Eventually an alpha male AND an alpha female will emerge, being the best fighters of their respective sex. They will pair up and have babies, and the rest of the wolves will be celibate.

    In nature, however, wolves (males as well as females) will usually leave their parents when they’re about two years old. They then wander around alone for a while, until they find somebody of the opposite sex. They will then pair up and start breeding. So everybody who survives long enough gets to reproduce, it’s about being able to survive in nature (hunting and stuff), not fighting skills.
    Sometimes the local fauna favours really big wolf packs rather than nuclear families. Packs will then consist of the original parents, some stay-at-home daughters, the “boyfriends” of the daughters, and younger offspring that hasn’t mated yet.

    So this whole “alpha male” thing comes from zoo wolves. Although zoo wolves don’t function as PUA:s imagine people do either, since the females compete through fighting and not looks, and there’s only one monogamous couple and the rest are celibate.

  38. I always wonder if people with views like this have never looked at pictures of (working class) women back when laundry and bread were made by hand. I know in the photos of my great-great grandma, a cook, her arms were sure as hell not delicate looking

  39. It’s gotta be him. The female athlete ass obsession, the obnoxiously cutesy-poo brand of creepiness, the erroneous belief in his own cleverness, it all adds up.

  40. Oh, good, it’s not just me who finds the attempts at cutesiness extra creepy.

  41. @Unimaginative: Sorry, checked your link again and Mech himself does write that he’s at least one of the people responsible for the term “alpha” becoming popular.

  42. Prehistoric women had to be fit. And yes, they had to be able to fight, throw, run and lift. they had to be able to take care of themselves and their kids and the idea that men did all the hunting is also false. (Humans scavenged a lot of corpses left behind by other predators – if the choice was to hunt vs drag home an all ready dead body, the latter was safer and more energy efficient.) [If the men were out hunting all day, then how the fuck were the ladies supposed to care for themselves and the kids if not by defending themselves ? Just wondering xD ]

    Women hunted as well, usually small game, but they had to because big game hunting is not enough to feed everyone, concidering it had a bigger failure rate. Not to mention women / children / other men who were also gathering food had to be able to fight of and flee predators and other possible threats. They didn’t always have “their man” watching their backs.

    Lifting, running, throwing things and fighting were abilities everyone needed.

    I’d also like to point out, that large breasts and the body ideal of modern woman in general has only been possible very recently. It’s not just that living conditions allow maintaing such an “ideal” physique, but biologically, for example, large breasts were a rarity back then – for obvious reasons. After all, breast size gives absolutely no indication on how good child bearer / feeder she is going to be.

    The current “ideal” is actually biologically as messed up as can be.
    That is why I find these eco-psych ideas so stupid – they try to derive explanations for modern conditions from past ones.

    The more “legit” evo-psych thing is mostly speculation and doesn’t always even, biologically speaking, make any sense.
    Evolutionary biology is one of my favorite subjects. (I’m a biologist ! yay ! Well, scholar – will be graduating soon. And I’m also a martial artist (armed / unarmed / armed vs unarmed etc) and my hobbies also includes weaponry of all kinds.)

    The problem with these sexist ideas spouting douchemongrels, is that they have absolutely no idea how humans work. Or how they worked thousands of years ago. Or even a hunderd, let alone fifty years ago. Damnit.

  43. @Dvarghundspossen: Reading about this alpha stuff makes me think about my parents and their dogs. It seems like they do have a dominance hierarchy set up there, where one dog is the lowest, then another dog, and my mom is “alpha”. But it’s also true that no one got their dominance by fighting. My parents say that the dogs just seemed to know who was dominant.

  44. I’ll usually try to crowbar a comic-book quote into any subject, but I have a very salient one for this thread – not least because the character who utters it is called She-Beast, neatly reappropriating the phrase many years before it oozed out of Roissy’s festering word-hole.

    She-Beast, a minor character in the frankly vicious superhero satire Marshall Law, is a highly rare example of a female ‘tank’ superhero – a buzz-cut leviathan who essentially looks like Schwarzenegger in a one-piece. At one point she’s asked by Celeste, a superheroine cast firmly in the now-standard vampish, SEXXXY Rob Liefeld mould, how she can stand to look so masculine. To which she replies:

    “I’ve never let anyone else’s concept of femininity hold me back.”

  45. I forgot how everything women do is actually just a beauty contest. Remember that Olympic gymnast who kept getting slagged because of her hair? I mean WTF?

  46. creativewritingstudent

    The only place I’ve ever seen evolutionary psychology make sense was in explaining why people are scared of harmless little spiders. According to EP, it’s because being scared of the way spiders look and move means we don’t go near potentially venomous or poisonous ones. This instinctual fear is then passed down to children and so on and so forth.
    It makes sense. Doesn’t make it correct, but it makes sense.

  47. @Dvarghundspossen: The alpha/beta man and hot women being more fit etc doesn’t even make that much sense. I’ve read far too much of their drivel, and I still can’t see what they think human mating strategy actually is (singular, because ofc ther is no chance of there being more than one possible successful option!).

    What I get is:

    Males are all biologically driven to mate with *as many* females as possible, and they have to be all strong and flashy and ‘alphas’ to attract all these mates (like peafowl maybe, or deer). If the idea is to just generate as many offspring as possible then a successful male will have more than he can reasonably care for so will not be greatly involved in raising them, if at all. So there is little investment in the individual young, and a great deal in displaying.
    Yet, they only want females that look a certain way (despite being compatible sexually/physically otherwise). So they are turning down mating opportunities with other females which could otherwise result in more offspring (and hence increased fitness), based on a set of arbitrary physical traits. This actively goes against the ‘as many as possible’ argument. Sperm is cheap and easy to produce, so why would a male need to be picky? Does it really matter if a successful male shags a few infertile females/those with poor mothering instincts/some hereditary issue? Nope! If ur doin it rite you’ll have mated enough times that you’ll have some offspring that survives to reproduce.

    Its like…they are trying to model human behaviour on peafowl. Except not really, because the idea of female choice makes them angry so the males have to be the ones who are REALLY choosing. So they made a kind of wolf-peacock-man-monstrousity because biotruth. I can’t even…I am too tired for this. People are’t wolves! Or peacocks!
    This may be badly worded, apologies. I’m just all confused about how they think sex works, but, fuck it, unless they are getting all these women they shag pregnant, then they are failing in evolutionary terms, while all those pitiable frustrated skinny beta men and horrible awful fat/overly athletic women who have children and grandchildren are succeeding.

  48. If he is saying that women are “designed” by anything (up to and including nature) then he sounds like a closet Creationist who have switched to “intelligent design” to camouflage their real intent (forcing everyone to believe silly things.)

    This sort of thing is one of the most pervasive misconceptions about evolution really. There’s a tendency to anthropomorphize evolution and to talk about what it intends. It’s something that could use an examination in how we teach evolution, if only we weren’t still fighting to teach evolution at all.

    And I think I’ve said something like this before, but I think most evopsych is Lamarckian, I don’t think Roissy’s alone there. It’s the only explanation I can come up with for how spectacularly unconcerned evopsych tends to be with the difference between inherited and learned behaviors.

  49. FYI: It does work. Athletes are proud of their bodies and don’t seem to get butthurt over being admired for them. Unlike some feminists!

    Fuck you. Your answer to the statement, “These bitches are ugly and I don’t want to fuck any of them” is “Here are some I want to fuck.” That is exactly what lowquacks said — fighting misogyny with misogyny. As David makes explicitly clear in this post, IT’S NOT ABOUT YOUR BONER.

  50. I would LOVE to get my hands on a TARDIS and drag guys like Roissy through time to show them what women looked like and did throughout history. I think it would be very educational for them. Especially if they were made to do womens work and realized it takes far more effort than they thought and I think many of them wouldn’t be able to keep up. Even the the guys who work out. Sculpting and defining your muscles actually weakens them overall (in terms of the strength that potentially could have been gained) because you train the muscle to work individually and not function in an intergrated way with all the other muscles (for your typical urban fitness nut). Althetes, on the other hand, do train muscles both individually and as a whole. And they train probably to exhaustion and phenomanally low body fat percentages because its difficult to eat enough to keep up.

    The farm lads I know laugh at city men who work out in the gym because they know all that showy muscle can’t do a days work.

  51. You know, it almost makes sense, this ‘feminists are trying to be men’ nonsense. You just have to realize that they’ve defined all the fun things as masculine (sports, video games, etc.) and all the dull and unpleasant things as feminine (being objectified, bearing children).

  52. “Athletes are proud of their bodies and don’t seem to get butthurt over being admired for them. Unlike some feminists!”

    Because no athletes are feminists and no feminists are athletes.

    Also, Argenti, did you actually encourage Kitteh’s Unpaid Help to tell Miss Bossy Kitteh that she’s an alpha FISH? I would worry about the implications there, being that in my experience kittehs believe that they reign supreme and that fishes are good for nothing but eating. :) I would fear shredding or house-plant destruction ensuing from such a slight!

  53. “Shouldn’t they be out banging the ones they think are attractive, rather than raging about people they don’t like? What an appalling misuse of their time!”

    THIS. Ignoring all the evo/psy and pseudo science that they try and pull out of their asses, just look at what they’re dedicating their time too.
    Picking up women? Nope.
    Going your own way… and then spending the whole way complaining about women.

    Compare it to… someone on facebook having 1k+ friends and having no social life in comparison to someone who is too busy to deal with it.

    @CassandraSays

    “You can’t explain that!”

  54. If the men were out hunting all day, then how the fuck were the ladies supposed to care for themselves and the kids if not by defending themselves ? Just wondering xD

    Manginas who have to stay back in the cave, obviously.

  55. In the 19th century, the “experts” believed that athletic women literally became male. As in, their ladybits stopped working. So MRAs, you aren’t as clever as you think you are. You’re just spouting the same shit that idiots just like you have been spouting for centuries.

  56. “Athletes are proud of their bodies and don’t seem to get butthurt over being admired for them. Unlike some feminists!”

    I think the more correct phrasing here would probably be that athletes should be proud of their bodies because they can do all sorts of awesome things and probably don’t give a shit what you think because your opinion on their hotness isn’t actually all that fucking important.

    I know I’m just a mean meanie feminist from Nobonerton, but srsly guys, the status of your boner is not the center of the universe. Nor is it the point of the Olympics. I know, I know, oh the humanity, etc.

  57. If the idea is to just generate as many offspring as possible then a successful male will have more than he can reasonably care for so will not be greatly involved in raising them, if at all.

    Why is it that evopsych guys consistently misunderstand both psychology AND evolution?

    Evolutionary pressures don’t care how many offspring an individual has. They care how many offspring live to reproductive age. Not caring about your children, when human children are overwhelmingly weak and helpless, is overwhelmingly NOT selected for.

    Of course, it’s all kind of academic because evolution is obviously not the primary driver of human behavior. Have you ever seen a deer? Did you have the uncontrollable urge to tackle that deer and feast on the gooey insides? Congratulations! Your behavior is not primarily driven by evolution!

  58. Dumbass Apostrophe

    I move we rename the field of evo psych to something more in line with its credibility. My submission is “psycholution”.

  59. Dudebrology.

  60. I would LOVE to get my hands on a TARDIS and drag guys like Roissy through time to show them what women looked like and did throughout history

    i dont want to go anywhere with roissy he sounds like a really dull person

  61. When will these douchenozzles get it?

    “I’m not attracted to this person” =/= “this person should not exist/have legal rights/be treated like a human being”

    IT’S OK NOT TO LIKE EVERYONE. It’s just not ok to DEHUMANIZE them for it.

  62. (Humans scavenged a lot of corpses left behind by other predators – if the choice was to hunt vs drag home an all ready dead body, the latter was safer and more energy efficient.)

    Besides, if you hunted that mammoth and missed, the stupid dog would laugh at you.

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    … What? I’ve done the “only haul 200 pounds back to the wagon” joke to death, I needed fresh material!

  63. I think the more correct phrasing here would probably be that athletes should be proud of their bodies because they can do all sorts of awesome things and probably don’t give a shit what you think because your opinion on their hotness isn’t actually all that fucking important.I know I’m just a mean meanie feminist from Nobonerton, but srsly guys, the status of your boner is not the center of the universe. Nor is it the point of the Olympics. I know, I know, oh the humanity, etc.

    Butthurt much? :-P

    What matters is that enough people out there think they’re hot. I’m just one person but I’m one of MANY. ;)

    The original Olympics in ancient Greece was comprised of athletes who were butt naked. You can better believe that there were men who saw those muscular nude bodies and got a stiffy. LOLz

  64. What matters is that enough people out there think they’re hot. I’m just one person but I’m one of MANY.

    Yup, if enough people are assholes, that totally justifies you being an asshole. That’s how it works, yo.

  65. WTF makes people assholes for finding an athlete sex and being open about it?

  66. Butthurt much?

    No, but apparently you are that people have the temerity to tell you your a stupid fuck.

    What matters is that enough people out there think they’re hot. I’m just one person but I’m one of MANY.

    Not really, actually. What I think matters to a lot of Olympic athletes is if they win.

    The original Olympics in ancient Greece was comprised of athletes who were butt naked. You can better believe that there were men who saw those muscular nude bodies and got a stiffy. LOLz

    Sure, if they were gay. The Olympics in ancient Greece comprised of only male athletes. LOL UR HISTORY!

  67. What I think matters to a lot of Olympic athletes is if they win.

    This does not imply that it’s the ONLY thing that matters to them. Without spectators, there would be no Olympics. People are sexual creatures, and when they see folks with fabulous bodies showing the off while doing sports, those drives get activated. Deal with it.

  68. your a stupid fuck

    You fail to realize the difference between a a possessive pronoun and the contraction of a personal pronoun with the conjugated verb to be. Now who’s the stupid fuck here!

  69. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    You fail to realize the difference between a a possessive pronoun and the contraction of a personal pronoun with the conjugated verb to be.

    If you’re going to play grammar police, make sure you proofread.

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