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Hey, MRAs: If you don’t want people to associate you with hatred, don’t associate yourself with hate groups

MRAs: digging their own hole.

Here’s a bit of advice for Men’s Rights redditors and MRAs in general: if you don’t want people to associate the Men’s Rights movement with hatred, you should probably not associate yourselves with hate groups.

Yesterday, a fellow called heiligenschein posted a link in the Men’s Rights subreddit to a relatively new subreddit called simply SPLC, a subreddit set up by enemies of the Southern Poverty Law Center and devoted to, as heiligenschein put it, “compiling the numerous criticisms of the [SPLC].” As he explained in a comment:

That’s a somewhat odd criticism for heiligenschein, one of the moderators of the SPLC subreddit, to make. If you look at the front page of this subreddit, you’ll discover that he and his pals are already doing a fine job of associating themselves with “neo nazi nutters” all by themselves.

If you scroll through the links, you’ll notice that Heiligenschein has posted links to several different articles from VDare.com, which the SPLC describes as an “anti-immigration hate website” which “regularly publishes articles by prominent white nationalists, race scientists and anti-Semites.” Note to MRAs: if you’re disinclined to take the word of the SPLC on anything, all you need to do to get a sense of VDare’s genteel racism is to do a search on the site for, well, the word “racism,” or “immigrant.” Or you can read VDare founder Peter Brimelow’s repulsive victim-blaming post on the “root causes” of the Sikh temple murders in Wisconsin.

Heiligenschein  also links to the virulently anti-immigrant American Patrol Report and a Confederacy-loving group called the Georgia Heritage Council; a quick glance at either group’s website will reveal what sort of organizations these are. He also links to a pretty hateful site called A Voice for Men, which some of you may have heard of already.

But the connection to the racist far-right goes beyond a couple of links. The five other moderators of the r/splc subreddit – mayonesa, dvance, Octuple, salsaverde, warkin – are also the moderators of reddit’s race-obsessed “new right” subreddit. Some of the submissions in that subreddit at the moment:

18% of marriages by Chinese and Japanese Americans are to Jews. Thoughts?

The poison of multiculturalism

USA Olympic athlete waves Mex flag: propaganda-bearing parasite prole being used as an infectious agent by the master parasite class?

The not-so-fab five also moderate a smaller subreddit called “alternative right,” a dog-whistle term amongst the far right for (pseudo) intellectual racism and so-called “human biological diversity.” Some of the submissions there, all of them submitted by moderator Mayonesa:

Emo neckbeards having hategasm over pro-white flyer

“I believe Europe to be the ‘white man’s country’. If they don’t want non-whites among them, I think it’s fair.”

Diversity perversity: Behind multicultural push is effort to degrade American culture

The West has been seriously damaged by Communist successes at memetic subversion.

The five run at least two more subreddits devoted to this kind of crap.

Just so you know, MRAs, these are the sort of people you end up hanging out with once you join the SPLC anti-fan club.

Naturally, the handful of comments I found in the r/mensrights discussion on the subject pointing out that the r/splc moderators were a bunch of race-obsessed far-right extremists — see here, here, and here –  all got downvotes from the regulars there.

You’re digging your own hole here, MRAs.

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  1. Monsieur sans Nom

    Oh, go fuck yourself, Noms. And stuff your ableist horseshit while you’re at it.

    Please fill this out and e-mail it to Mr Manboobz. Kthnxbai!

  2. Butttt I thought you were autistic noms? Why would you go hating on autistic people?

  3. Eat shit Noms, you fucking hypocrite.

  4. Toaster, have you paid any attention at all to NWO before now?

    He doesn’t have the best grasp on history, and all of his facts smell faintly of cheese and beans.

    This isn’t a reason to attack special ed students.

    Go fantasize about your hawt robot girlfriend. Is she all-chrome, or bronze with spot chrome?

  5. @EEB:

    spends pretty much all his political capital to try to regulate the financial industry so we don’t end up in this mess again,

    Really? How so? Did I miss Glass-Steagal making a comeback?

  6. @Jumbofisch, I thought the Toaster said he was on the spectrum, and that’s why talking to gurlz is hard, and why it would be so much better when everyone’s been shucked out of their bodies like so many corn cobs and loaded into robots that are better, faster, stronger, harder, deeper and longer.

  7. Monsieur sans Nom

    Autists!=Retards

  8. Monsieur sans Nom

    On the other hand, populist conservatives are retarded.

  9. You’re fucking pathetic, dude. Seriously.

  10. Are you still claiming to be autistic hun?

  11. Babby needs his attention quick grab the bottle!

  12. Aaaaaannnndddd…now for something completely OT.

    http://www.neatorama.com/2011/02/04/13-animal-friendships-sure-to-melt-your-heart/

    Hate is not an innate trait.

    Sorry. Needed some brain bleach.

    Please return to the regular discussion. I had a drink with dinner.

  13. @hellkell

    Dodd-Frank might not be perfect, but it goes a long way to protecting both the financial industry and consumers. I stand by what I said: it cost him a lot politically to get it passed, and he did the best he could with an obstructionist congress and political opposition that didn’t negotiate in good faith (they watered down the bill and then refused to vote for it anyway…this was before the Obama administration realized that there was no possible way to “reach across the isle” because the GOP was serious when they said their number one priority was defeating Obama).

  14. >>>The head of state is anti-American

    And here I thought murdering overseas brown people with drones was as American as apple pie and baseball.

  15. @Monsieur sans Nom

    Oh, fuck you. You’re beneath contempt.

    My little brother is in Special Ed. He’s a brilliant kid, amazingly talented and creative, better at math when he was 10 than I am at 26. But he has a learning disorder, and he’s on the spectrum, so he needs extra help with classes that require reading and writing (he couldn’t read until he was nine, and he was probably in high school before writing a paragraph didn’t take him days of sweat and tears). Do you have any idea how much effort it takes to keep him from thinking of himself as stupid, worthless, or that he’ll never accomplish anything? I asked him a few months ago if he was planning to take the SAT. “What’s the point?” he snapped. “I’m just a retard.” God, the look on his face…I don’t think I’ll ever forget the self-loathing. It broke my heart.

    You aren’t clever or brave. Nothing could be more cowerdly or just fucking pedestrian as mocking people in special ed.

    (We do have a little deal going, my brother and I. A while ago, I asked him, for probably the 15th time, to please stop calling himself retarded. He looked at me for a second, then said, “Okay, I’ll stop saying that I’m retarded if you stop saying that you’re fat.” It kind of startled me, but I realized that I spent a lot of time vocalizing how much I hate my body, and it bothered him. [Aside: he was the first person to realize I had an eating disorder, years ago. He’s so sensitive and loving; I adore that kid.] So it’s been a little less than a year, and we both work to keep our end of the deal.)

  16. @BlackBloc

    Yeah. That’s what I don’t get–so much of Obama’s foreign policy (and, okay, his domestic policy, sadly) is just a continuation of the Bush years. And yet people I talk to who think Bush was just the BEST PRESIDENT EVER (no, I don’t understand it) think Obama is an anti-American anti-Christ.

    I’ve been really disappointed with Obama, but unfortunately, it’s him or Romney, so I’m gonna work my ass off to do whatever I can to get him re-elected. 2012 might be something of a letdown, but I’d rather not go back to 1950 all the same. And it drives me nuts to see people accusing Obama of being or doing things that are just so obviously false–this is the age of google! We shouldn’t be mired in all these lies when two seconds on the computer will show you the truth of all the accusations! Criticize the president for what he’s actually done (or not done). There’s plenty there; no need to make anything up.

  17. @EEB love to you and your brother. it sounds like you’re both lucky to have loving siblings in each other. :)

  18. Speaking as an autistic person, Nomsy here is scum of the lowest variety and there is nothing about him that could excuse it.

  19. @EEB
    Aww thats sweet, thats great you and your bro are close. I wish you both the best.

  20. They can’t even get their history right. Snorri Thorfinnsson was born in Vinland sometime between 1004 and 1013.

    And of course Vdare trips off the tongue so much more easily than Sthorfinnsson. They’d splutter trying to say it. And helps them think there’s something ‘daring’ about being a racist.

    Shaenon, I cracked up reading the Book of Learnin’!

  21. the twisted spinster

    Myoo: yeah, I figured that, but wasn’t sure I should type in “Indian” because then I’d get a ton of articles complaining about people from India coming over here on HB-1 visas and stealing computer programmer jobs from White American Males. But I don’t think they talk too much about Native Americans over at Vdare. It would be too… ironic?

  22. Monsieur sans Nom

    I said it before, and I’ll say it again: Autism(in all of it’s forms) is NOT the same thing as retardation!

    It infuriates me that autistic youth(& children)get thrown in special ed classes which are designed for kids actually are retarded. Some of those children may need a different kind of classroom environment but they shouldn’t be lumped in with kids who have completely unrelated disabilities.

    Do you have any idea how much effort it takes to keep him from thinking of himself as stupid, worthless, or that he’ll never accomplish anything? I asked him a few months ago if he was planning to take the SAT. “What’s the point?” he snapped. “I’m just a retard.”

    As a matter of fact I do. You need to tell him that he’s too smart to be thrown in special ed and that by studying hard on his own,and taking the SAT and even retaking it until he gets a decent score is the way for him to get ahead and rise above the SPED stigma.It’s called encouragement. And it really helps. You’ve gotta PUSH that kid! That’s the only way he’ll ever be convinced that he’s capable of accomplishment and that someone believe in him.

    As for Buttman, only someone with a IQ < 100 would talk the way he does. Populist conservatives who still babble about commies some 20 years after the cold war ended are extremely stupid people.

  23. the twisted spinster

    Oh, forgot to say that they also use the term “Native-born Americans” a lot to differentiate those who were born here from those awful immigrants. I’ll bet if pressed a Vdarer would start screeching about how “anyone who’s born here is a Native American” and then you ask him “well what about babies born to undocumented immigrants — don’t they get to be native too?” and see their heads explode as they try to explain why a white kid born in the US of parents who were settlers from England way before things like documents were necessary was somehow immediately native while a kid born to a Mexican couple who also didn’t have any more paperwork than the Dares was somehow less native.

  24. kids actually are retarded

    You’re not supposed to use that word. It’s bad.

  25. Some of those children may need a different kind of classroom environment but they shouldn’t be lumped in with kids who have completely unrelated disabilities.

    Right. And why exactly is this a reason to shit all over those other kids? Do you think it’s fair to compare children with disabilities to willfully ignorant hatemongers?

  26. Monsieur sans Nom

    Right. And why exactly is this a reason to shit all over those other kids? Do you think it’s fair to compare children with disabilities to willfully ignorant hatemongers?

    No I don’t. However, the way you really get to people like that is to presume that their beliefs are the result of a severe lack of intelligence rather than willful ignorance. Calling people “hatemongers” doesn’t pack any punch with guys like Buttman. I’ll bet he uses that handle cuz he’s a closet case who’s too afraid to come out.

  27. Shorter Nommie: MY disability is only one of my many individual characteristics and does not detract from my humanity. YOUR disability renders you barely human at all, and means I can ridicule you with no repercussions whatsoever! We might struggle with some of the same things, but at least I’m not like YOU.

    Internalized ableism, ain’t it grand?

  28. No I don’t.

    Then stop fucking doing it.

    And dude, nothing “packs a punch” with Buttman. Because, again, willful ignorance. Emphasis on “willful”. So your bigoted digs are not only asinine, but ineffective.

  29. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    @ Nom – “Calling people “hatemongers” doesn’t pack any punch with guys like Buttman. I’ll bet he uses that handle cuz he’s a closet case who’s too afraid to come out.”

    Doubling down on your ableism with homophobia? Classy,

  30. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    Last post should end with full stop, not comma.

  31. @ Monsieur sans Nom

    I’m so fucking enraged right now. I’m not a violent person, but I am really glad that you are typing words on a computer and not sitting in front of me saying this shit, because it would be really difficult to keep from doing something that would land me in jail.

    How dare you? How dare you? You have no fucking clue what my brother has been through! You weren’t there when the other kids his age were learning to read and write, but he never could. You didn’t see him sit there, day after day, while his teacher penalized him for not being able to read by taking recess away, while other students would mock him. And my happy brother, who was so filled with joy and a love for life, got sadder and quieter and angrier. He was (in my opinion; he wasn’t diagnosed) clinically depressed at the age of seven. We had to homeschool him because the principal straight up said she didn’t have the resources to help him, but we didn’t know how to help either, and he felt like the failure, even though the school failed him, my parents and I failed him. He would crawl in my lap and just cry. My beautiful little boy would ask me, “Why did God make me stupid? Why can’t I be smart like you?” Do you know what it’s like to hear that from a kid?

    And you’re telling me it’s because we didn’t PUSH him enough? He didn’t study enough? FUCK YOU.

    Moving to an area with a great school district and amazing special ed teachers was the best thing that ever happened for him. He learned to read. He learned to write. He worked three times as hard as the other kids in his classes. He went to school and came home and did another two to three hours of homework, homework that would take other kids maybe a half hour, even though it sometimes made him cry in frustration because he had the words in his head, he could tell me what he wanted to say, but he couldn’t get those words on paper. But it got better because of teachers that understood learning disorders and could teach him what we couldn’t. He started to actually like school, which was astonishing.

    You fucking prick, it isn’t that he didn’t study hard enough on his own. He worked harder for his grades than anyone I knew. I was a 4.0 student, and so he thought I was the smart one, the good one. Not true. I wish I had his study habits, his devotion, his drive. He put more time and effort into his C than I ever did for an A, and in my book, that makes him the good student. If I had to work for my grades, I don’t know that I would have pushed myself like he did.

    Fuck, I am literally shaking with rage right now. I know I shouldn’t care what some random shitstain says on the internet, but you just pushed a big button I didn’t even know was there. Listen, asshole, the problem is not special ed, the problem is the stigma that ignorant fuckers like you give to special ed. Yeah, okay, maybe some kids get put in special ed that shouldn’t be there. I don’t know a whole lot about that; I’ll take your word for it. But that is not what happened with my brother. Special Ed was a gift, special ed gave him his life back. And fuck you for suggesting that being in special ed means that he’s not pushing himself hard enough, that he just needs to grab those ol’ bootstraps and pull himself up.

    As far as encouragment goes, my goal is to be his biggest cheerleader. He wants to be a director and go to film school, so I help him when he makes amateur videos, I helped him research schools (we’re going to go visit some in the fall OMG he’s a senior OMG *sigh*). He’s learned tricks to manage his learning disorder and so I help out where I can (like taking notes for him when he’s flying high on some vision for his movie and he can’t write fast enough to keep up). But I would NEVER tell him that he’s just not working hard enough (except on those very rare occasions where his grades slip because he stops doing his homework or studying). You see, I love him for who he is and I wouldn’t ever expect him to be something he’s not. And, because I’m not an ignorant-ass motherfucker, I know that people are not in special ed because they aren’t smart or they aren’t working hard enough, they are in special ed because they are different and need both a different level of attention and a different way of educating.

    (Here’s a very short blog entry I wrote five years ago when it first hit me how much his new school had helped him, and how far he had come. Five years later and it’s still a treasured memory.)

  32. I’m sorry that Om Nom is getting to you, EEB. Trying to offload his own bitter feelings onto anyone he can seems to be his goal in life.

  33. EEB, I just wanna say that you and your brother sound like amazingly cool people. Thank you for sharing your story in the face of certain hypocritical, small-minded bigots who shall remain nomless.

  34. @EEB

    Bravo to you and your brother. It’s touching to see siblings who are so close.

  35. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    @ EEB – Your brother is very lucky to have someone like you.

  36. @EEB Just saying Ditto. Your love for your brother really shines through the internets. Virtual hugs, if you want them.

  37. @EEB: Seconding everyone’s comments on your wonderful relationship with your brother. Also seconding the virtual hugs <3

  38. Thirding everyone. Nom is a shithead; EEB, you sound like an awesome person and it’s great that your brother has you to support him.

  39. *hugs EEB* >___<

    Noms is just some prick on the internet who's biggest concern is well, his own prick.

    Your brother is fantastic and strong and I am really glad he was able to get help and learn even if it was a struggle socially and mentally. People insulting those who need more attention in their learning are selfish assholes, there is nothing wrong with learning in a different manner than other people and I am really glad he was able to benefit from that. The love between you and your brother is really touching.

    @noms
    If you are too close minded to see that then at the very least don't fucking talk about it to people who have actually benefited from it. No there is nothing wrong with being autistic or getting a different kind of help for learning.

    Too bad you don't know how to connect to other people as your poor attempts for attention here have shown. Go laugh off your comments off as trolling while you rot alone in your empty grave.

  40. Actually, EEB, maybe that’s the best source of comfort – your little brother already has more people in his life who love him than Om Nom does, and he’s just a kid. No matter how many challenges he has to face his life is already much happier than trollboy’s life ever will be.

    Living well is the best revenge, etc.

  41. M. Sans Cervelles, that thing that can’t even name itself properly in French let alone form a coherent thought in English, is an ableist sack of shit.

    It’s got its panties-analogue in a twist because it lacks any cohesive support or social life outside of visiting blogs where it’s obviously unwelcome. Unfortunately for it, that probably means every blog.

    It’s a sad little broken toy, and if David had half the social justice awareness he claims to he’d ban that pile of excrement, if only for the sin of being such an incredibly boring one-trick-pony.

    Though if it was an actual pony it’d at least have a purpose. Like glue, or dog food.

    …but that would be expecting to much, I suppose, from a guy who’ll moderate the word “wh*re” but leave retard intact. Because, you see, sex workers are awful, terrible, icky people, but ableist fuckwads are just a-ok.

  42. @Plex

    You’re being unfair to Dave. Wh*re was moderated because Tom was using it so much that it no longer had any meaning. And it was removed from the mod list today, anyway.

  43. Whore was moderated because we had a visiting troll that made it his life’s mission to use the word as often as possible, and David was being lazy about it. I say lazy because I distinctly remember the last “meet my challenge” dude got put on perma-moderation until he wrote posts that didn’t involve himself in any way.

    And no, I have no earthly idea why Contradiction is permitted to post what he does.

    Sorry about the bullshit, EEB. It’s good to hear that proper schooling is giving him what he needs.

  44. Thank you so much for the encouragement (and hugs!) everyone. I’m tearing up again, but in a good way this time. (I, uh, might be just a tad emotional tonight. I’m a little embarassed that I totally lost it there, especially over someone as contemptible as Om Nom–though I stand by everything I said.) I’ll just add that I’m the one who is lucky to have him in my life…I honestly don’t think I could have gotten through some of the horrible shit that happened in my life without him.

    I’m just gonna straight ignore everything Nom says from here out. I don’t have anything more to say (nor do I think he’d listen) and I don’t need the emotional punch. I know, I might miss some breathless prose or a truly brilliant point, but I think I can take that risk. ;)

  45. Its okay EEB, no one is a rock who can just bounce off what other people can say easily. Its okay to get emotional from time to time but try not to take most trolls too seriously because its really emotionally draining if you do. Also don’t forget to take breaks too from dealing with trolls. XD

  46. NWO said:

    “Are you pro diversity?
    Are you pro feminism?
    Are you pro gay?
    Do you cricitize the western values/tradition above all others?
    Do you criticize white men above all others?
    Do you criticize Christianity above all others?

    This is all marxist critical theory. Yes to any of the above makes you a marxist. All of you are marxists. You deserve to be hated.”

    I see, so not hating anyone who isn’t exactly like me makes me worthy of hatred? Trying to be broad minded and to see things from other people’s points of view automatically makes me a hateful Marxist? That’s bullshit and you know it! There are lots and lots of different types of people in the world and I, for one, don’t want to be at war with them over things that a. don’t harm others b. are trivial c. are none of my business in the first place. And you can bet that if anyone tries to impose their beliefs, customs or behaviour on me can bet that I’ll be fighting back!

  47. @Shaenon: Brilliant. Giggled all the way through.

    @EEB: we badly need more people like you and your brother in the world. Much love.

  48. Hey wow, I’m not a Marxist according to NWO! (I criticise the three latter bits quite equally where they need to be criticized, non-whites/non-males, all religions and all traditions of the world).

    @EEB

    You and your bro got my best wishes too. My partner was never diagnosed but has suspected for all his adult life that he’s on the spectrum as it took him years to learn to read and write, plus a host of other typical symptoms. He went through a Steiner school where this was not such a huge problem as it can be in standard schools (though nobody take this as an endorsement for the occultism of those schools from me, please) and turned out a very intelligent man, finding the right career for him in teaching (he’s now looking into new rewarding, computer-based teaching methods for kids with learning difficulties). I’m sure with your support and with the right teachers your bro will find his place and succeed in what he wants to do. Perhaps even in teaching since he has the needed experience in him.

  49. So Nomless is also clueless, because Buttman said being called a hatemonger sort of bothers him.

    But rather than use that term, which he doesn’t like, he’d rather use an archaic form of othering which Buttman does’t care about because he knows it’s just an insult.

    The thing about being called a hatemonger, as opposed to be called retarded/stupid is it’s much easier to defend oneself against the second charges than the first one.

    So go on, keep being ineffective at dealing with people like Buttman. I don’t know why you feel the need to use that trope, but the things you’ve said give me some strong suspicions. I’m sorry people have treated you badly.

    But that doesn’t give you the right to shit on people in return. It also doesn’t seem to actually make you feel better. So it’s just dickish, which is totally in keeping with the rest of your behaviors, so I’m not really surprised to see you wasting the effort to screw that up too.

  50. @Flex Plexico

    …but that would be expecting to much, I suppose, from a guy who’ll moderate the word “wh*re” but leave retard intact. Because, you see, sex workers are awful, terrible, icky people, but ableist fuckwads are just a-ok.

    This doesn’t really make a lot of sense, Plex. David moderated a slur against sex workers and you figure it’s because he thinks sex workers are icky, but you think he needs to moderate an ableist slur to protect disabled people. If you’re being consistent, shouldn’t moderating the ableist slur show that David thinks mentally disabled folks are icky?

    Who Dave should or shouldn’t ban, and how he should do it, is a pretty common topic of discussion in his comment threads and I’m not trying to step on your toes as far as that. I’m just not seeing how David can moderate one slur, and not moderate another, and get accused of bigotry because of both opposite actions.

  51. Oops, and I screwed up your ‘nym, sorry.

  52. Well, if anyone else needs a laugh, ever since the “incownito” I’ve had this song stuck in my head:

  53. I just read EEB’s posts. Highly off-topic here, but I wanted to tell EEB two things. One is, I’ve been reading a lot about happiness and success (self-help up the yin-yang), and there’s a really big theory out there that people who believe they can improve are way better off than people who think things are inborn. People like your brother, who work hard and practice at things and see improvement, are much much more likely to have happiness and success in life (however success is measured), versus people like me, who are lazy and coast on our innate abilities.

    The other thing I wanted to say is that, although I’m a huge believer in school, it isn’t always necessary. My dad dropped out in 8th grade (he had no patience for teachers he thought were stupider than him — arrogant little kid) and never got so much as a GED. Years later he was actually asked to do computer engineering consulting work for biggish bucks. I can’t say that I’ve ever seen him write down so much as three sentences (including typing).

    So, yeah, it sounds like you and your family are already doing fine, but I wanted to say there is plenty of evidence out there that your brother has every chance of a happy future.

  54. Eline, you are a Marxist according to NWO. It’s enough to answer yes to any of the questions and not necessary to answer yes to all of them.

    If people with autism spectrum disorders are disabled, that’s a very inclusive definition of disability. It makes me feel sorry for people in wheelchairs, who are being pushed out of the spotlight by people who can move around just fine. It’s like actually gay people being pushed aside by activists who are merely “queer.” (I can’t believe that slur isn’t moderated, but it’s OK, because it’s being “reclaimed,” mostly by people to whom it was never applied in the first place, i.e., women. Calling a woman queer is like calling a woman effeminate: It doesn’t work.)

  55. It makes me feel sorry for people in wheelchairs, who are being pushed out of the spotlight by people who can move around just fine.

    That’s nice. Deny the difficulties people with mental disabilities have in day to day life just because they can move around easier than someone in a wheelchair.

  56. Lolololol, yes, the problem with LGBT activism is it doesn’t focus enough on the gay dudes anymore! Is it specifically the white gay dudes, scrapemind?

    On a more serious note, there are many different ways to be disabled, and caring about one person’s right to be treated like a human being doesn’t mean you don’t have enough energy to care about another person’s same right. That’s just ridiculous.

  57. It makes me feel sorry for people in wheelchairs, who are being pushed out of the spotlight by people who can move around just fine.

    I feel so sorry for you. What must it be like to live in a mind so small you can only worry about one issue at a time?

    Conventions are bad for sexual harassment? Can’t worry about that, gotta fight the Burqa!

    Autistic people are not seen as fully human? Can’t worry about that, there are neurotypical people in wheelchairs!

    Women can identify as things other than cis and straight? Can’t worry about that, there are gay men to boost!

    (I can’t believe that slur isn’t moderated, but it’s OK, because it’s being “reclaimed,” mostly by people to whom it was never applied in the first place, i.e., women. Calling a woman queer is like calling a woman effeminate: It doesn’t work.)

    Jesus Christ, scrapemind, you’re probably the type to try and help gay men while blithely calling them “f****ts.”

    And the only reason “whore” was in moderation was because of a certain someone with a bony butt who tortured the word beyond all recognition. Now he’s been moderated, and the word has been released from moderation, so as far as I know, no words are moderated, only people.

  58. It’s like actually gay people being pushed aside by activists who are merely “queer.” (I can’t believe that slur isn’t moderated, but it’s OK, because it’s being “reclaimed,” mostly by people to whom it was never applied in the first place, i.e., women. Calling a woman queer is like calling a woman effeminate: It doesn’t work.)

    Fuck off straighty we don’t want you talking for us k thx bye.

    Yes, there is queer women and yes women have been called queer. None of your godamn business if you do not like the slurs we choose to reclaim that your people have called us. Fuck. Off.

    Gay men are hardly being pushed aside compared to other member of the lgbt, are you kidding me?

  59. @scrapemind

    Um, you ever thought that there’s different ways of being disabled? You don’t need a wheelchair or a very debilitating learning disorder to be disabled. And there’s no need to play any sort of disability Olympics either, those with “lesser” disabilities aren’t pushing anyone out of the “limelight”. I’m actually considered a 100% invalid due to a disease that you cannot in any way detect by just looking at me. Yet I’m right now on my way home from the hospital, having been hospitalised over the weekend for symptoms that required me being put in a chemical coma for a few days, because they are 100% debilitating. And that’s just one example of not needing a wheelchair to be physically disabled. Can you feel sorry for me, too, because I’m having hard time explaining an “invisible” disability to people, which nonetheless is of the same caliber as a wheelchair when it comes to restricting my life? Or is my invisible disability pushing the wheelchair people out of the spotlight too much because I can move around on my own just fine?

    Same with the queers vs. gays argument. Just because other people may face discrimination doesn’t diminish what, say, gay males face.

  60. howardbann1ster

    “If people with autism spectrum disorders are disabled, that’s a very inclusive definition of disability.”

    And inclusivity is bad, right????!!!!

  61. Hey, Monsieur Sans Nom, I’m going to say this in English. You being an ableist shithead has gotten me pissed off to the point where I don’t want to just troll you into getting mad at me for using words you don’t understand, instead I’m going to make a point. I’m autistic too, mind you I fall to the very high functioning end of the spectrum, I still have crippling social problems that genuinely affect my day to day life. I would greatly appreciate having a special education program designed for higher functioning autistic individuals, however, that doesn’t mean that I am going to look down upon the mentally handicapped or call them retarded. Slurs aren’t cool, no matter what the context, you don’t shit on people just because you don’t happen to think that people like us should be put in classes with people like them. There’s a lot more to the mentality that autistic people have that leads us to think we’re defective than just being put in special ed classes. Using anecdotes from my own life I’ll start with the bullying I’ve had to face nearly every single day of my life because I’m different, add to that the pervasive lack of understanding of the disorder in society causing numerous people to think all autistic people are exactly like Chris-Chan, add even further to that the disgusting number of self-diagnosed people who use the disorder as an excuse to be self-absorbed assholes to everyone, and you get a pretty hostile environment for Aspies like myself, as well as other varieties of High functioning Autism. Yes, it’s a challenge, yes, I’ve had a hard time with it, but never did I think, “I must be stupid because they’re putting me in special-ed” I appreciated that they were setting up an education plan that catered to the unique needs that I had that many neurotypical people don’t. Fuck you, and your autistic supremacist ideals.

  62. Also, Scrapemind, I do consider my autism spectrum disorder to be a disability in some cases, because my difficulties with the Theory of Mind aspects of social interaction can get genuinely crippling at times, and often do end up causing me to be denied opportunities I would have had if I were neurotypical. Check your privilege bro, you don’t get to comment on how the world should be for autistic people unless you’re autistic, or have devoted your life to the research of autism.

  63. Also, EEB, More hugs here if you need them, I wish I could say I know what it’s like to be like your brother, but I was one of the lucky ones who didn’t get hit too hard with my disability. It is never acceptable for shitstains like Monsieur Sans Honte to bash people with genuine disabilities just by saying they aren’t working hard enough.

  64. Also, to everyone else here, my apologies for replying to everyone all at once, I saw M. Sans Credulité’s posts, and just had to say something, and now I’m reading the rest of the thread.

  65. howardbann1ster

    Aworldanonymous, you don’t need to apologize. If you walk into a room where everybody’s talking and you hear one person laying out that kind of hate, and you decide to start yelling and calling them out on it… well. I’d say you’re doing them a favor.

    (also, I’m totally sorry you had to see him dropping that hate all around, and extend the offer of internet hugs to you and EEB)

  66. It’s a sad little broken toy, and if David had half the social justice awareness he claims to he’d ban that pile of excrement, if only for the sin of being such an incredibly boring one-trick-pony.

    ‘social justice’ means dehumanizing people and then banning them for being boring. well you learn something stupid everyday.

    …but that would be expecting to much, I suppose, from a guy who’ll moderate the word “wh*re” but leave retard intact. Because, you see, sex workers are awful, terrible, icky people, but ableist fuckwads are just a-ok.

    aren’t you the dude who threw a tantrum because we weren’t gonna let you water down the meaning of rape? it must be a pretty sweet gig being the High Priest of Words, dude.

  67. Also I just realized that skimming things is a bad idea, EEB, apologies for the context-less understanding of your brother’s disorder, however I stand by my apology for not being able to relate. Even as I have an ASD I’m monumentally fortunate that I don’t need a great amount of resources, but I can sort of say that I do know what it feels like to be different, and to feel as if you’re hated by everyone around you for it. I sincerely wish both you and your brother the best in any and all of your future endeavours, and to your brother especially I wish him luck in his film career.

  68. @sharc
    Yup thats plexi, pleasant person.

  69. Women have been called queer in the pejorative sense in the same way that trans men have been called tranny. I understand it’s controversial for trans men to try to reclaim tranny.

    I guess straight people are my people, even if I’m a little bit gay. I don’t claim to speak for the LGBT community — what community? I certainly don’t have the audacity to tell Kinsey 6 people that I lack heterosexual privilege with regard to them, and furthermore that they have monosexual privilege with regard to me! I don’t think that the less gay you are, the more oppressed you are.

    I am diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, but I can’t imagine telling neurotypical people to check their privilege.

    I know better than to claim oppressed status.

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