Science proves the Men’s Rights subreddit to be totally not (completely) misogynistic
So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
Posted on August 10, 2012, in antifeminism, I'm totally being sarcastic, it's science!, misandry, misogyny, MRA, reddit, the c-word, whores, woman's suffrage and tagged antifeminism, feminism, men's rights, misandry, misogyny, MRA, reddit, women’s suffrage. Bookmark the permalink. 934 Comments.
FYI Falconer, I too am American and yet I’m not so stupidly patriotic that I can’t mock my own countrypersons. Butthurt much?
A Game of Hard Chairs
A Clash of Misandry
A Storm of Scented Fucking Candles
A Feast for Female Penguins
A Dance with Vile M-Feminists
@Freitag: Oh god, the Texas school board wants to stop teaching students how to think about information? Jesus wept! That’s worse than when they tried to erase the slave trade.
Learn what’s appropriate to mock. That video was punching down. We need to punch up.
Nope, unlike some I’m well padded.
Thanks for proving the stereotypes about us correct, dumbass.
@Falconer, oh yes. It’s in their friggin’ platform. Also Texas is home to the (in)famous Texas State Board of Education, which likes to remove science from science classes and history from history courses. And I get to live here. I am so damned lucky. But I’ve got tenure and moving isn’t really an option.
NO U!
This really cracks my shit up. It is like he is acknowledging that he is trolling and making a joke of it.
@Freitag: Good lord. That really sucks.
I’m in Tennessee. It’s not quite as bad, but the Christian culture warriors are still thick on the ground.
And the winner of our Democratic primary last week believes in the NAFTA superhighway and FEMA death camps, advocates gay bashing, and buys into what other people have ridiculed as the Kenyan Usurper Hawaiian Devil Baby theory.
Well, there’s a world-beater.
And in the sci-fi section:
Consider Misandry
The PUA of Game
The Dispossessed: A Misandrist Utopia
Four Ways to Misandry
The Misandrist’s Tale
Flow my Tears, the Misandrist said
The Misandrist Report
Cryptomisandricon
The Misandry Age
And in non-fiction
The Origins of Political Misandry
The End of Misandry
Manufacturing Misandry
Mocking ignorance is not “punching down”. It’s giving people the rude awakening that they need.
Nobody needs that. At worst, they’ll dig in and embrace their beliefs all the harder. That’s part of why the right thinks the left are smug elitists, because the image of the left is a college-educated person.
That video was smug. Nobody needs being smugged at, either.
But whose getting that rude awakening, Om Nom? I think that it’s already fairly widely known that there are a lot of people out there who are ignorant of a lot of things. Telling us something we already know isn’t exactly a rude awakening.
Om Nom, this may the single dumbest thing you’ve said here, and that is an achievement. You should be proud.
And don’t tell me Fembot, you’ve got a ‘good sense of humour’ too, because you ‘love to laugh’.
Tom, why don’t you take your bald self to the pub and try your shit with the ladies there.
Yes, Tom, go to the pub. You’re a decent looking fellow. Provided you brush your teeth and don’t have halitosis, the ladies might like you. Just don’t mention hard chairs, misandry, or call anyone “wh*re.”
I think Hellkell’s personality is still in the pub.
We only need one user of childish comebacks per post, Tom. Two is too many.
” You’re a decent looking fellow.”
Assumes facts not in evidence. There’s the personality issue, too.
Perhaps engage the ladies in a thoughtful discussion of systems of academic inquiry? I’ve found my female colleagues to have meaningful ideas about this topic.
Oh wow, that’s the dude that thinks privilege is being slightly more comfortable in a chair? Aha, how’s it going, buddy?
Threat of Withheld Affection (Code Pink) – The Pink Whip
Discussion: The target is admonished that his viewpoints or behavior will cause women to reject him as a mate. Examples:
“No woman will marry you with that attitude.”
“Creeps like you will never get laid!”
Response: This is an example of the logical fallacy “argumentum ad baculum” (the “appeal to force”). The accuser attempts to negate the validity of a position by pointing to some undesirable circumstance that will befall anyone who takes said position. Really, the only way to deal with the “Pink Whip” is to realize that a man’s happiness and worth is not based on his romantic conquests (including marriage).
All of Tom’s codes would make great band names.
Misandry’s Pawn
Misandry’s Promise
Misandry’s Price
Yeah, telling a man not to call women he wants to date “wh*res” is shaming. Whatevs.
There isn’t a punk band called Pink Whip yet? There should be. They can do Bikini Kill covers.
@Cassandra
To be fair, David did post a picture of Tom a while back, so I have seen what he looks like. But the personality…I’m with you on that one.
What does that even mean? Oh well, I’m a fun drunk, so whatever, Mr. Receeding Personality.
@ fembot
Yeah, I saw the picture too, that’s why I said that additional evidence would be needed to support your statement, because the evidence we have points in the opposite direction.
BTW, I’d be happy to join Hellkell’s personality in the pub if she didn’t live so far away. And if pubs were a thing that existed in worthwhile form in the US.
Going out with me involves renouncing prostitution in all its forms, including v-feminist forms.
Could it be, Tom Martin, that these women observing you are creepy and would probably not get laid is quite apart from any argument they might be making?
So why do you persist in insisting that a man’s happiness depends on how women act towards him?
Hey, where’d the Toaster go?
… Has anyone actually seen Om Nom and Tom Martin in the same room together?
Wait, is Tom now advocating MGTOW? If so then I think that’s an excellent idea and that he should go his own way and never bother any women again.
(Except for trolling here. He can keep doing that as long as he keeps being an amusing chew toy and doesn’t start talking about child prostitution again.)
Ooh, so not having sex with every heterosexual man on the planet except my current partner is sexual violence! Got it.
Oh gods, here we go again.
What is V-feminist prostitution?
That reminds me, you still haven’t told us what “prostitution in all its forms” actually means.
Going out with Tom sounds like an unending nightmare, unless babysitting an insufferable manchild is your thing.
Cassandra, the only place I’ve found that comes anywhere near spitting distance to an actual English pub is the George and Dragon in Seattle. There are some horrifying chain restaurant approximations here in TX.
Tom, i wouldn’t renounce an open sore if it meant i’d have to date you.
Cassandra said:
Wait, is Tom now advocating MGTOW?
As far as your concerned Cassandra, yes I am.
@Vitamin D:
Good luck getting any definitions out of him.
If he lets himself get nailed down on “prostitution in all its forms,” he’ll eventually have to conceive of a time when a woman actually meets his demand, and then he won’t be able to use his favorite word.
So he keeps throwing terms around and “giving us a bit of credibility” and not defining anything.
*you’re* Tom. Contraction of “you are.”
V-Feminism must be when human-looking alien feminists come along claiming to be friendly, and give people advanced technology to help them, all the while planning something evil in the background.
There are multiple places that call themselves pubs in California. None of them in any way resemble an actual pub. Although to be fair the ones that call themselves gastropubs sometimes have decent food.
Sorry, Tom, but it’s pointess to swear off the company of women who’ve already made it clear that they want nothing to do with you. An effective insult has to sting.
Nom noms has confessed to being a troll multiple times. There are certain kinds of trolls that feel emasculated if their trollhood isn’t recognized and duly worshipped, so they get antsy if nobody freaks out and cries over their presence, and eventually their anxiety builds until they just burst out I’M A TROLL I’M A TROLL FOR GOD’S SAKES EVERYONE LOOK AT ME I AM A TROLL. He is one of them.
If you play it right you can counter-troll these types until they have this explosion publicly. It is one of the more satisfying things to observe on the internet I think.
I would watch a show about V-Feminism, as long as they bring back the sexy lady with the dark hair from the first V.
Vitamin D asked:
What is V-feminist prostitution?
Victim-feminist prostitution is when an organisation or individual representing that organization over-eggs victim female statistics in order to secure more funding for whatever the cause. Here is a great example:
http://lsewomens.tumblr.com/post/11313075310/dear-lse-women-i-hope-everyone-is-as-super-duper
Ok, apart from the obvious question of how you expect to get funding for whatever special interest group you advocate for without providing evidence of need, what does this have to do with selling sex? Or maybe you’re confusing biological sex with sex for orgasms? Because the kind of sex prostitutes sell is sex for orgasms.
V-feminism is just stuff Tom pulled out of his ass. Must be a side-effect of those hard chairs.
Tom, you’re just mad ’cause they don’t use your numbers. That’s because your numbers are lies.
@Vitamin D: Martin’s New Collegiate Dictionary defines “prostitute” as “a woman who doesn’t thank men for giving her absolutely everything she has.”
He’s one of those accountant misogynists who thinks that if the balance sheet isn’t exactly equal, males v. females, then males are getting ripped off.
Either that, or he just likes attacking women.
The sex a sex worker performs, is a fake act. Likewise, an inflated plea of victimhood is just a fake act – both done to secure money. Both forms of prostitution.
Yep. For all the bluster and bullshit, it goes no deeper that.
I love it how you people get butthurt by a little smug humor! American women already have the right to vote and have had this right for 92 years(it’s constitutionally protected). And before you start whining about how men have had it longer, well, since none of you were alive before women’s suffrage it’s really a moot point. And that ladies and gentlemen, is why that video is amusing.
FTR, going out with anyone(else) from this blog sounds like a nightmare.
Well, just setting aside whether the numbers are fake or not, isn’t acting is also fake? Does that make Harry Potter porn?
But getting all pissy because feminists don’t spend their time talking about misandry: SOCIAL REVOLUTION!!
@Cassandra
The one who ate the mice? That’s one of the most vivid memories of my childhood lolll
@ Shadow
Yes (and mine too). I think her name was Diana? She was deliciously evil.
@ MSN – what is the buthurt you are referring to? And I wouldn’t worry about dating anyone on this site. Except maybe Tom. Unless you use stats to prove people need things- that’s just slutty.
Shame on Padua Academy not teaching its students about the history of voting rights in America! ><
… You can’t prove anything! It could have been anybody! Those people were adults!
“Having said that, hard chairs are misandry.”
Um, yes they do. Especially the idiots who run schools like that.
It would be revolutionary if feminists started talking about misandry properly.
BTW Falconer: Why do you have such respect for the populist right? Elitism is actually a good thing rather than a bad thing so long as membership to the elite isn’t based on birthright but on demonstrating virtue and strength of character.
But Tom, there is no such thing as misandry! Cuz men are BAD and women are GOOD.
Jesus ballot-casting Christ, why am I defending this place, again? Oh right, because fallacy of composition.
Shame on the video makers for biasing their results. Some of Padua’s students don’t know what “suffrage” is. It does not follow that all of Padua’s students don’t know what “suffrage” is.
That’s the fallacy of composition. One of the apples in this crate has a worm in it; therefore all of the apples in this crate have worms, throw them all out.
Right. Because it’s all about you.
Let’s all start demanding that the MRM address the issue of people abandoning their pets on the side of the road.
It is not the responsibility of feminists to advance your cause for you. Especially since your cause is bullshit.
I have a feeling that you wouldn’t be satisfied until feminism had turned itself inside out trying to accommodate you, anyway.