Science proves the Men’s Rights subreddit to be totally not (completely) misogynistic
So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.
Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.
Ig explains his protocol:
I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.
I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.
There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.
“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.
How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.
Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.
It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.
So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!
Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:
Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):
[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.
Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):
Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.
Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.
So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.
Posted on August 10, 2012, in antifeminism, I'm totally being sarcastic, it's science!, misandry, misogyny, MRA, reddit, the c-word, whores, woman's suffrage and tagged antifeminism, feminism, men's rights, misandry, misogyny, MRA, reddit, women’s suffrage. Bookmark the permalink. 934 Comments.
BTW, Nancy Drew is very misandrist. She solves mysteries ON HER OWN!
Don’t forget the new Misandry Vampire series:
Misandry Thrall
Misandry Sleeps
Misandry Corpse
Misandry Maker
Misandry Day Walker
Okay, Amazon.com recognizes the Hard Chair Trilogy and The Myth of Male Power, but it doesn’t recognize Why Britain Hates Men — it tried to sell me Torchwood on Blu-Ray — and Self Made Man appears to be about trans men, transitioning, and social pressures surrounding transitioning.
Now that I think about it, Nancy Drew may have been a primary source of misandry. She was written by a woman, for girls to read instead of having girls read stories where boys were the heroes, thereby teaching little girls that girls have worth. Pure, unadulterated misandry, that.
Oh LOL I think I derailed the thread!
As I was saying, there is a cut out point in debates where v-fems can’t contribute any further without back peddling, so they simply try making a lame joke or two, then disperse.
“Sexism debates are our ball, and we’re not playing any more.”
Mission Misandry 1. The Penguins’ Plan
Mission Misandry 2. Hard Chairs
Mission Misandry 3.The Enemy Within
Mission Misandry 4. An Alien Affair
Mission Misandry 5. Fortune of Feminism
Mission Misandry 6. Losing a Court Case
Mission Misandry 7. Voyage of v-Feminism
Mission Misandry 8. YouTube
Mission Misandry 9. V-Feminism Victorious
Mission Misandry 10. The Doomed Planet
Which of those Misandry books is the one with the plagiarized chapter on ferrets?
If you people wonder why I troll this site…………….Well, a few posts back I posted a RALE KEWL video of the rarely observed deep sea giant Ocotopus, but nobody replied, so, back to trolling! Carry on. ;)
Misandry’s Eagle
Misandry Meets Jesse James
El Misandro contra el Conde Dracula
BTW Tom Martin, stop trying to be rational with sharculese. Your arguments are well above his head so he resorts to 9th grade level insults(against anyone who disagrees with the manboobz paradigm). He somehow thinks this is going to help him get laid with the female posters on this blog……….LOLz :-p
Msr. Nom, it’s Octopus Day. Lots of people posted octopii without it being mentioned. What were you expecting?
@M sans Nom: One octopus video (and a time lapse of the NY skyline, for some reason) is a paltry olive branch after all the trolling you’ve done.
Mr.Al managed, by dint of long effort at not being a shitlord, managed to get the commentariat to treat him like a decent human being. Sadly, he reverted to type about 5 minutes after most of us said, you know, Mr.Al’s not half bad.
Misandry’s Ladies of the Night
(Tom wrote that one himself)
Yup
That’s a really stupid comment, even for you. Once again, the only reason you think a man would be respectful to a woman is in the hopes of getting laid. PROJECTION, it ain’t a river in Egypt.
@M sans Nom: Then we’d ignore you, because you’re not in charge.
@Tom, is anyone dispersing? I missed it.
Is sans Nom the “kill all humans” guy, or am I getting my trolls mixed up?
Hasn’t Tom threatened to leave before? He always comes back.
@ Sir Bodsworth
Yeah, Om Nom is the kill all humans and replace them with robots because women hurt my feelings by finding me creepy guy. He’s continuing the legacy of Antz.
Their arguments have certainly dispersed. A few empty husks.
Backs here! Getcher backs here! Get ‘em nice and straight! No osteoporosis, nosirree! Backs here!
Ok, for the record I have read Spreading Misandry. It was a few years ago. What I took away from it was that it was more of an op-ed instead of rigorous academic investigation. If that’s what you’re using as a basis for argument, color me unimpressed. Op-eds are great for blogs, but not as a foundation for research.
When in danger of losing, quickly declare victory.
That’s Sun Tzu*, you know.
*(No it isn’t.)
Nom, I like how that image elegantly describes your entire posting career.
What arguments? You pulled the old “you can’t argue with me because you haven’t read the same books as I have” line. This, as always, is intended to kill an argument. You succeeded (how long has it been since you last heard those two words together) in killing the argument. You are now complaining that the argument is dead.
@ToasterHopeful: Sorry, someone already posted that video today.
And you’re still a trolling, misanthropic douchecanoe.
Um, where did I say or imply that it is the only reason? Obviously it’s not the only reason, but it is A reason. I guess he’s a self-hating, mentally challenged male who thinks he’s cool and smart. :-P
@cloudiah: Goddammit, you made me give the Wikipedia page on L. Ron Hubbard a hit.
Nice work, though.
Is Spreading Misandry like Spreading Santorum?
http://blog.spreadingsantorum.com/
Burned! LOL :D
Any video yet, Tom?
More projecting?
“Misandry doesn’t exist, because we haven’t read any books on it, due to the misogyny.”
NO U!
@Tom, aren’t you going to stand up for the strict academic rigor of Spreading Misandry?
Tom, you dear, sweet, fool. Sometimes I just want to kiss you, you are so adorable.
Nonsense! I’ve read many books on it!
Bride of Misandry
Misandry Meets a Brooklyn Gorilla
The Saga of the Viking Women and their Voyage to the Waters of the Great Sea Serpent and also Misandry
Spreading Misandry? Does it go well on toast?
@Shade, no. Think “shit on a shingle.”
YOu are all unfit to comment on misandry until you read the definitive work on the subject, Game of Boners
Would that include the guy from the US Olympic Rowing Team?
FYI: I’m not a Cylon, I’m a TERM1NAT0R. :)
I guess a link would help: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/07/henrik-rummel-us-rower-erection_n_1753594.html
Is the next step Tom claiming that in order to talk about misogyny we first have to have read his book, which is now available via his website for $500?
Nah, he’s much too lazy to write a whole book.
Fembot, if you want a kiss, simply send a photo, change your personality entirely, and we can talk. What planet do you live on?
That’s nice, dear. Have you cleaned your room yet?
Cassandra, once you realize that the last 400 pages are blank, you’ve already bought it.
i read the Myth of Male Power back in the 90s. I chose to study a Masculinities module as part of my Gender Studies MA at the University of the West of England, I started this MA after completing my MA in English and French at the University of St Andrews. I tell you this so you are aware that i have actually studied and completed academic training designed to enable me to evaluate and think critically about literature.
and the Myth of Male Power, (bear in mind i did this module because i was sympathetic to the concept that masculinity,as constructed by patriarchy, was damaging to men). was badly written and whiny to say the best about it. it turned me off reading MRA literature, a decision that has been validated after finding this site and following the trail to the MRA websites. Victim feminism? Farrell and his ilk assert their ‘victmhood’ loud and clear.
@ katz
My Dad once bought me the most misandrist book in the world! As a gag gift. The title is “Everything That Men Know About Women”, and all the pages are completely blank.
@Shadow, “Game of Boners”
rofl
I’m working my way through Oprah’s Misandrist Book reading list:
A Million Little Pieces of Misandry
The Bridges of Misandry County
Love in the Time of Misandry
The Measure of a Misandrist
Cry, the Misandrist Country
The Secret (spoilers: it’s misandry)
and my first comment was aimed at Tom, sorry
Misandry’s Kin
Misandry’s Fire
Misandry Harper
Misandry’s Time
Speaking of women’s suffrage…….
@ToasterHopeful: Yeah, like those videos keep the footage of people who get the joke.
HAH HAH some women don’t know what suffrage means. NOT ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE ALLOWED NEAR A BALLOT!! HAH HAH!
@Freitag
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Poor bastard!
A Princess of Msandry
The Gods of Misandry
Warlord of Misandry
Thuvia, Maid of Misandry
The Chessmen of Misandry
Well footage of those people wouldn’t be funny to watch now, would it? Clearly enough people DONT get the joke because they’re american(ergo, ignorant).
hurr hurr I am Murkan look how stupid I am now kindly piss off.
And even granting for the sake of argument that USians are poorly educated compared to the rest of the world, howsabout we take some of that sweet military money and invest it in our schools? I mean, yeah, sure, after that we’ll spend more money than the next 8 militaries combined, instead of the next 10 militaries combined, but at least folks will have to hunt longer to make their fallacies of composition.
The Misandry Shard
Streams of Misandry
The Halfling’s Misandry
Misandry of Autumn Twilight
Misandry of Winter Night
Misandry of Spring Dawning
@Falconer, oh noes! We must never teach our children anything that might make them actually smart!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/07/01/texas-gop-platform/
You’ll get no argument from me there, Falconer.
Are you from Reddit, Nom? They also love doing that thing where they insult Americans while proving that non Americans can be just as ignorant.
Then don’t slam Americans as constitutionally ignorant, and laugh at people ambushed on the street and recorded on video so other people can laugh at them.
@Tom
I live on planet Earth. I have a very good personality, actually. I am feminine and very pretty, but I’m not sending a picture. Sorry.