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Science proves the Men’s Rights subreddit to be totally not (completely) misogynistic

So apparently I’m way off base with this “misogyny” thing. For example, I have been under the impression that I have been finding misogynistic stuff in the Men’s Rights subreddit, like, all the time. With upvotes, and everything. But evidently I’m wrong.

Because now ignatiusloyola, one of the subreddit mods, has done a very scientific study that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that, well, whatever misogyny is there is officially not a big damn deal.

Ig explains his protocol:

I did a quick scan of the first 400 comments on the list (100/page, 4 pages in). I scanned for words like “cunt” and “whore”, and read the context of these. I looked for the words “woman” and “women”, and read the context of these. I looked for “suffrage” and “vote” also.

I found two comments that used the word “cunt”, one of them was used to describe men, the other to describe a specific woman. The only instances of “whore” were “attention whore”.

There were two comments involving the word “woman” that generalized women with negative stereotypes.

“Suffrage” and “vote” instances did not involve any context that suggested that women did not deserve the right to vote.

How a person defines “hatred of women”, either loosely (suggestive from context, rather than explicit) or strictly (explicit statements), it is pretty clear that out of 400 comments, very few are misogynistic.

Does misogyny exist? Yes. But it does not seem to be a significant contribution to r/MensRights. At best, people are seeing a few comments and focusing on their existence while ignoring the rest.

It’s a lot like that time Michael Richards did that standup routine, and everyone focused on that one word he said, totally ignoring all the other words he used that were totally not racist slurs. I mean, yeah, he said that word a bunch of times, but it still made up a very small percentage of all the words he used that evening.

So that’s that, then. Misogyny, officially not a problem!

Or that would have been that, had Ig not actually posted about his experiment to the subreddit he had just proved was, like, totally non-misogynistic:

Because it turned out that a couple of the fellas had an issue with Ig’s methodology. In particular, that stuff about female suffrage. Because, apparently, you can totally be against women having the right to vote and still not be a misogynist. As zyk0s put it (garnering upvotes in the process):

[T]here’s the matter of female suffrage. I really don’t see how suggesting women should not have been granted the right to vote is misogyny. It might be motivated by it, but not necessarily so, and treating it as such is akin to criminalizing holocaust denial: it’s censorship, pure and simple, and if [1] /r/MR wants to keep calling itself an open space where ideas are not silenced, that attitude has to change.

Our friend Demonspawn went even further(and got a few upvotes himself):

Suggesting that the government works better without the women’s vote is not misogyny. It’s an analysis of the facts and the consequences of allowing women’s suffrage.

Suggesting that women retain the right to vote without the corresponding responsibilities that men face is misandry.

So there you have it. The Men’s Rights subreddit doesn’t have a misogyny problem; if anything, it’s a hotbed of misandry.

Posted on August 10, 2012, in antifeminism, I'm totally being sarcastic, it's science!, misandry, misogyny, MRA, reddit, the c-word, whores, woman's suffrage and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 934 Comments.

  1. I too lived on a numbered street, and therefore can’t play the game. Come to think of it, where I come from, virtually all the streets are numbered, and none of my friends played the porn name game.

    My Tom name would probably be Pussy; my NWO name is Kat because he doesn’t think X, Y, and Z are letters of the alphabet.

  2. Nomless: I said Of course, there are people who seriously argue women should be stripped of their rights to vote.

    To which you replied:

    Well pecunium, I am Not one of them. Let’s just get that str8.

    Falconer was extrapolating ignorance among students about the meaning suffrage to class warfare. That video was appalling to many feminists but not for the reasons you people think! They’re appalled about the mediocrity of american educational system(both public AND private); as they should be

    Ignoring what I was talking about, and trying to change the subject back to the video.

    You said that the right to vote stopped being denied to women 92 years ago, so feminists need to get over it. I said there are people today who argue it ought to be stripped from women again, so it’s not actually a dead issue.

    It’s nice to know you aren’t one of them. It’s sad to see you can’t argue in good faith.

  3. Varpole: I see you are praising Tom Martin now; is all forgiven about the child prostitution thing?

    Because this: I do believe I can condemn the vile views that Tom espouses while also acknowledging good points he brings to the table. Flies in the face of your rants that he was so vile that the MRM couldn’t bear to keep him in it, and you were going to get the big boys to renounce and repudiate him.

    But it’s all cool now, because he still hates adult women and feminists.

    As to his comments about women in the military… he’s wrong, about the US Army, and the British. I’ve served in one, and with the other. The Women do the same training as the men (apart from being denied the specialties designated as combat jobs).

    They get shot at. They hump their rucks. They kill people. What you think, “stands” to reason is wrong.

  4. I’d be Prico Muller… for Tom-name… Pecuntium? It seems about his level of clever.

  5. If I used the street I grew up on, it’d be Sandy Talon, but that sounds like a hygiene issue, doesn’t it? And I haven’t had any pets since that first sweet golden retriever Sandy.

  6. captainbathrobe

    My porn name would be Samwise Contessa–which could have been a Lord of the Rings character if Tolkien had been a bit more progressive.

    My Tom name? Well, trolls have historically sniggered about my screen name being that of a flasher, but personally I prefer Captain Bath-ho. Because if you’re going to be a “ho,” you might as well be clean.

  7. captainbathrobe

    Moderation?!? Really?

  8. Argenti Aertheri

    I’m still way behind after moving, but it is/was whataboutthemoonz’s birthday? Happy Birthday!

  9. Argenti! It’s nice to see you again! You doin’ okay?

  10. @Cassandra

    I cheated to avoid Lassie Long Setswana Name :P

  11. Porn name: Patches Morgan. Do they make pirate themed porn?

    Oh merciful allah *yes*.

  12. They do get hazard pay, and tax exemptions and all the other special pay that accrues to being in a combat zone.

    I thought they didn’t. Oh well. I’ll excise that bit of “knowledge.”

    Anybody got a chisel?

  13. If you people wonder why I troll this site…………….Well, a few posts back I posted a RALE KEWL video of the rarely observed deep sea giant Ocotopus, but nobody replied, so, back to trolling! Carry on.

    Oh, my. Nommie, my good man, you poor dear…

    Firstly, you just admitted outright that the only reason you hang out here is to get attention. You do know that makes you sound like some affection-starved urchin, cut off from any healthy relationships, begging piteously for our scathing rebukes because it’s the closest you’ve come to being touched by a human being in SO LONG…? You know that, right? Because that is sad on so many levels. It makes your whole ‘misanthrope’ thing sound so very sad. If you need an internet hug, then no matter what a horrible human being you are and how many awful things you believe and how hard you work to stomp on the down-trodden, I’ll totally give you that internet hug.

    (sniff)

    Secondly, dude, you can’t just drop one cute video and expect us to forget what you are and what you do. I saw it and gave it the old side-eyed scowl, thinking to myself ‘what horrible things is he leading up to now, what dogwhistle is he blowing, getting ready to spew hate all over us?’

    Because we’ve seen hate come out of you before, and now we stand on our guard, waiting for your ‘hip, ironic’ pose to slip a little bit and let out what we’ve seen underneath it so often before.

    There–was that the attention you’ve been craving? The interaction?

    Was it good for you?

  14. This comment aside, if I ever use the word “troll” in a sentence, you have permission to shoot me.

  15. This comment aside, if I ever use the word “troll” in a sentence, you have permission to shoot me.

    And put you out of your misery for having used a word? Yeah, right.

  16. Ha right because ‘troll’ is the most annoying word you’ve ever said in a repeated and obsessive way.

  17. Oh, were you trying to attach a stigma to the word “troll,” then?

    ‘Cause heaven forbid we should call you a troll when you come over here and attempt to derail, castigate and browbeat the commentariat with your “Code Blue” and your “invent something or you’re a worthless parasite.” That’s just being mean and trying to silence and marginalize men.

    But when you say 98% of women are Ws, you’re just speaking truth to power, aren’t you?

    Go and polish your dome.

  18. I do believe I can condemn the vile views that Tom espouses while also acknowledging good points he brings to the table.

    do yall ever wonder if mikey talks like this in real life. i mean, i’m sure he doesnt, but it’s fun to imagine

  19. I think I may win the worst porn name contest, since according to the rules, I would be Fatty Fish Rural Route 1.

  20. howardbann1ster

    Polliwog, that sounds like… like a very specific genre. VERY specific.

    But, hey, Rule 34…

  21. Tom — excluding that sentence, right?

    Right?

  22. I’ve still not found any pterodactyl porn… just sayin’.

  23. Argenti Aertheri

    Dracula — I’m alright, living with my family again so meh, but it comes with a bed and free utilities and shit, so I guess I shouldn’t complain too much (also comes with my father, who makes MRAs look moderate, so I’m still going to complain :) )

    I missed y’all while I was moving, glad to be settled in enough to have time for the internet!

  24. I’ve still not found any pterodactyl porn… just sayin’.

    You.. you aren’t looking hard enough. Seriously though, don’t put “pterodactyl porn” in Google image search. I realise the power of telling someone not to do something, but save yourself!

    (Oh no my tiny mind.. it is shattered.. o.o)

  25. Oh, he did say so.
    Thus, I acknowledge my fail
    with this haiku, yo.

  26. howardbann1ster

    @Pecunium: do you mind it being in cartoon form? Because Land Before Time + Rule 34 = childhood ruined, thankyouverymuch.

  27. You.. you aren’t looking hard enough. Seriously though, don’t put “pterodactyl porn” in Google image search. I realise the power of telling someone not to do something, but save yourself! (Oh no my tiny mind.. it is shattered.. o.o)

    Oh it’s not so bad if you go into it expecting laughs rather than sexayness.

    But I can vouch for the fact that yes, pecunium, there is pterodactyl porn.

  28. Also.

    Kitten hugs for Argenti, if needed. :D

  29. @Pecunium: do you mind it being in cartoon form? Because Land Before Time + Rule 34 = childhood ruined, thankyouverymuch.

    sorry, i can only get turned on by actual video footage of pterodactyls fucking

  30. howardbann1ster

    Dammit, Sharc! You know the time machine is still in ‘animal testing’ phase.

    Well, if one successful test with a dog was good enough for Michael J. Fox…

  31. Howard and Sharc: Don’t step on any butterflies!!1!! (obscure literary reference is obscure?)

  32. howardbann1ster

    …the larger question, Raspberry Beret, is this: if the observation of something changes it, then does filming those prehistoric butterflies having sex change the timeline, even if I don’t step on them?

    Damn physics.

  33. Raspberthiliana, I read it in high school.

  34. Read it in a book of short stories.

  35. I’ve still not found any pterodactyl porn… just sayin’.

    I’ve seen it. There were costumes. And a puppet. It was pretty funny, actually.

  36. saw it on the simspons

  37. Argenti – I feel for you on the uncomfortable living situation, though mine is nowhere near as bad as yours.

    Anyway, it’s good to have you back.

  38. saw it on the simspons

    Oh I wish, I wish I hadn’t killed that fish

  39. There’s also a shitty movie based on it but that doesn’t exist after I—

    I have already said too much.

  40. Argenti Aertheri

    Shade — D’AWW! Don’t tell my mother’s cat though, she might get jealous, and we’ve just established a tenuous friendship — she’s still terrified of my room, but will play with me in the rest of the house. Well, “play with”, my hands are a mess from her swatting me instead of the pipe cleaners, but yeah (sorry, no pics, at least not yet, but she’s just a standard silver tabby with a strange fondness for pipe cleaners)

    Probably better that she stays out of my room anyways, I’d have a fit if she knocked over my orchid.

    Re: pterodactyl porn — I am so not looking, rule 34 does not need to be invoked.

  41. Argenti Aertheri

    Dracula — eh, it works, my father is sober currently, so he’s just an idiot, not a violent idiot. And my brother’s an actual adult now, and never moved out, so my father’s idiocy is sort of out numbered by people who think he’s an idiot…and there’s a cat, and a big stupid black dog (he’s a good boy, and seems to have finally given up trying to catch the reflection from his collar XD )

  42. Glad to know you’re doing alright. Dogs and kitties usually help. :)

  43. I’m still way behind after moving, but it is/was whataboutthemoonz’s birthday? Happy Birthday!

    I was wondering where you were. I missed you :(

    And you missed Tom Hard Chairs Martin McBaldy’s attempts at playing “Spot that Fallacy”, in which he made up a bunch of shit, called them logical fallacies, and gave them colored code names. It was as funny as it sounds.

  44. I did not write the Catalogue of Anti-male Shaming Tactics. I did ask Marc Rudov to document his tactics in debating feminasties (because he is so good at it), but shortly thereafter (2007), someone else published it:

    http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

    I will say, in the series of public debates I’ve had, with the more accomplished feminists, they do not tend to resort to anti-male shaming tactics on the whole, accept sometimes, when losing the argument, and their cool.

    The plebs do use anti-male shaming tactics though, quite frequently.

    I suppose it’s down to a lack of understanding of ethical debating practices.

    People don’t seem to realize, they’re using ad hominems at the point of losing an argument.

    All MRAs need to do is point this juncture out, and the hater simply fizzles away to nothing.

    Women seem to be more morally ambivalent about the rules of debate though, and so tend to scuttle off to twitter or wherever to try and get the mob to agree with their ad hominems, rather than win any arguments.

    Front line resource-hogging feminism seems reluctant to police this behaviour amongst its rank and file – because feminism knows all it has in the face of further men’s equality concessions it doesn’t want to make, is ad hominem flak.

    It’s all you’ve got – but men’s rights activists are at a different altitude, where flak won’t reach.

  45. I will say, in the series of public debates I’ve had, with the more accomplished feminists, they do not tend to resort to anti-male shaming tactics on the whole, accept sometimes, when losing the argument, and their cool

    wait, you mean actual feminists arent the cartoon monsters you spend your considerable free time complaining about on the internet? reality does not conform to tom martin’s diatribes?!? who would have guessed!

  46. Women seem to be more morally ambivalent about the rules of debate though, and so tend to scuttle off to twitter or wherever to try and get the mob to agree with their ad hominems, rather than win any arguments.

    *cant go a few sentences without insulting women*

    *claims that men are the real targets of sexism*

    *trips and falls facefirst in a pile of dogshit, dogshit wins 37000 pound judgment against him*

  47. Feminasties? how original and cutting.

  48. Semantics, Sharculese. You are a whooer. Are we clear?

  49. I’m thinking a moderation challenge for all iterations of w***e should be enacted for Tommy.

  50. You are a whooer. Are we clear?

    What was that about “ad hominem flak” again?

  51. Standards, Tom! You have to think of a version of Sharculese’s name that sounds like a third-grade playground insult.

  52. Semantics, Sharculese.

    the fact that reality fails to conform to your lazy fantasies isn’t really ‘semantics’, duder. are you sure you know what words are?

    You are a whooer. Are we clear?

    on why you think that word has any meaning left after you’ve used it to describe everything from a sunny day to a case of the sniffles? …. not really…

  53. So, no video of any kind yet?

  54. The great thing about being a men’s rights activist is, all you need to do is tell the truth.

  55. @bostonian

    apparently hes not making the video because the raw footage to thoroughly proved his point, and that’s bad because…

  56. The great thing about being a men’s rights activist is, all you need to do is tell the truth.

    which is of course why your activism has earned you nothing except debt, right?

  57. The great thing about being a men’s rights activist is, all you need to do is tell the truth.

    Well, I guess you’re going the extra mile by lying your ass off all the time then, huh?

  58. So, if you just tell the truth, we’ll all fizzle away…

    Why haven’t you done so?

  59. Heh, so much for obscurity!

    And why does wordpress keep ignoring I want to be signed in as ithiliana not raspberry_beret stupid program.

  60. Tom, Tom, Tom, I had all of one request for you to comply with in order to continue posting here more or less unfettered: don’t use the word “whore” all the time. Just the word “whore.” “Prostitute” was still fine.

    But spelling “whore” differently to get around the filter isn’t the same as not using the word.

    So you’re going into moderation until you truly kick the “whore” habit.

  61. No worries, Ithiliana, your gravatar is still the same.

    David, does this mean that the w-word is out of the moderation list? (Not that I’m just sitting around here begging to use it.)

  62. BUT WILL TOM RENOUNCE PROSTITUTION IN ALL ITS FORMS?

  63. Yeah, I’ll take “whore” out of the filter.

  64. Thank you, Dark Lord.

    Tommy, if telling the truth is all you need to be an MRA, I guess you aren’t one. You lie your ass off. Don’t get upset, it’s the bald truth.

  65. David; Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  66. Tom, will you explain what “prostitution in all it’s forms” means? I’ve asked you about ten times, and you never answer. How can we renounce something if we don’t know what it is?

  67. The great thing about being a men’s rights activist is, all you need to do is tell the truth.

    HAHAHAHAHA!
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    Best laugh ever, Tom.

  68. Most feminist blogs ruthlessly exclude men’s rights activists’ comments, for one trumped up reason or another. I think Douchetrail knows that allowing MRAs to comment without him then crying rape is his blog’s main redeeming and distinguishing feature.

    I just shot an experiment, finding most women say men should pay for 100% of the first date, and spend three month’s salary on an engagement ring, and Douchetrail here is getting worked up about me using a word of my choice to describe it?

    “Don’t you EVER… “. Curious.

  69. Monsieur sans Nom

    *trips and falls face first in a pile of dogshit*

    I was the one who tripped you. ;)

    I’ve noticed a lot of women OTI use the term “whore” as a suffix or moniker and don’t seem to view it as a misogynist term. Examples: link whore, corporate whore, grammar whore,etc. I prefer the word “ho” instead. *LOLz*

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