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Men may not be from Mars, but A Voice for Men wants them to get all the credit for that Mars landing

It’s a proud day for the dudes over at A Voice for Men, which is celebrating the landing of the Curiousity rover on Mars by giving dudes everywhere serious dude credit for the event, which apparently involved no women at all. Well, maybe a few. But it certainly didn’t involve any of the women in the women’s studies department at Columbia University!

Actually it would be rather difficult for that to be the case. Impossible, really, as there is no women’s studies department at Columbia. Instead, Columbia has an Institute for Research on Women and Gender, an interdisciplinary center that works in cooperation with the Barnard College Women’s Studies department.

In any case, that once sentence is the entire text of the post, which linked to a live feed of the landing.

But to make sure everyone understands the MAN-significance of this MAN-vent, the AVFM dudes promoted it with this MAN-tastic blurb on the front page. (I mean the blurb on the right, of course, celebrating MEN and their UTTER MASTERYof technology. Just ignore that bit on the left about the technical glitches that AVFM has itself been having lately.)

The comments are more or less what we’ve come to expect from the AVFM crowd. I especially liked these two, from a manly fellow calling himself ActaNonVerba.

 

His followup is a bit Anthony Zarat-esque in its utopian grandeur:

 

 

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Posted on August 7, 2012, in a voice for men, antifeminism, are these guys 12 years old?, douchebaggery, girl germs, gloating, grandiosity, I'm totally being sarcastic, irony alert, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, paul elam. Bookmark the permalink. 254 Comments.

  1. Dammit NWO shut the hell up with your creepy patronizing princess crap. And what is with your obbsession with Cliff?

    Why is NWO not banned yet? He’s repetitive and getting weirder by the day.

    yo quackers you know he’s just doing it for a reaction, right? dont give him the satisfaction.

  2. Thing is, none of those gals in the “control room” were home during dinner hour serving a fine meal to their husbands, as profiled in my seminal Spearhead essay “A Man Wants a Wife, Not a Co-Worker” :

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/02/20/a-man-wants-a-wife-not-a-co-worker

  3. @Sharculese

    Yeah you’re right. I’m usually pretty good at ignoring him, but today he’s pissing me off more than usual.

    I’m gonna go read fanfic now instead :P

  4. And… is NWOslave really choosing not to dispute the conclusion that “NWO is saying that women are turning people black.”?

    If he doesn’t dispute it, are you going to pretend he said it and put it in the Book of Learnin’?

  5. @elmer

    Thing is, nobody cares because women aren’t going back in the kitchen, as profiled in my comment at 4:20

  6. This is bad enough on its own, but when you read it through the racist-codeword-filter, apparently NWO is saying that women are turning people black.

    The thing is, I’m pretty sure that he does believe that. File under “women liking thugs” and “white women need to have more babies.” See, if those awful race traitor princesses have babies with thugs*, they don’t have white babies! And the world needs more white babies because of…reasons…sure to be coming soon.

    * for the non-USian, “thugs” are a racist code-word for “black dude”

  7. @Quackers lulz 4:20 :D

    SORRY. :D

  8. @heidihi

    Haha its ok, I noticed that too :P

  9. NWOslave insinuates that black people are outbreeding white people, and because it’s a funny image, you’re going to pretend he’s saying that women are turning people black, which carries images of individuals, not populations, turning black, like when a magic machine turned Lois Lane black at the tail end of the Silver Age.

  10. Elmer wrote:

    Their hetero male colleagues will still feel stiff and awkward because of their aversion to intimacy.

    Um, isn’t that misandry? Saying men are averse to intimacy and dislike hugs?

  11. @Elmer:

    Thing is, none of those gals in the “control room” were home during dinner hour serving a fine meal to their husbands, as profiled in my seminal Spearhead essay “A Man Wants a Wife, Not a Co-Worker”

    Yeah, because they were too busy sending a freaking robot to Mars! You say this like anybody cares or thinks its a bad thing.

    (Full Disclosure: fuck yeah I want a co-worker. It’d be great to have a loved-one that I can nerd out with and that will understand me when I talk about cool things. ^_^)

  12. @NWO

    Keep pushing the hatred, Dave. It’ll be returned in spades.

    There is absolutely nothing hateful about David’s comment.

  13. I didn’t grow up in “greater suburbia.” I grew up largely on military bases. It’s true that’s not the inner-city, but there were plenty of people of color.

    I guess black soldiers/sailors/airmen don’t fit into NWO’s welfare queen and babydaddy stereotypes so well though.

  14. @Uncle Elmer

    You conveniently forget that maybe those women at NASA don’t want to cook for dinner for their husbands. Or maybe they cook only on their days off. Or maybe they like to cook together while enjoying a bottle of wine and chatting about the day’s events. Or maybe they are so wealthy they hire someone else to cook for them. Or maybe their husbands like to cook and so they are the ones who cook the family meals. OMG! What a perverted world we live in :)

  15. @ragefromthebasement:

    Kids these days… liking types of relationships other than one with a subservient and docile woman. What is the world coming to?

  16. @Cliff Pervocracy
    “I didn’t grow up in “greater suburbia.” I grew up largely on military bases. It’s true that’s not the inner-city, but there were plenty of people of color.”

    If I want to know what it’s like to grow up on a military base and why they are the way they are, I’ll look you up. If you want to know what the ghetto is like and why it is the way it is, come see me. We all know who the racists are, princess. We who lived in the ghetto, call them feminists.

    1. The creation of racism offences.
    2. Continual change to create confusion
    3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
    4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
    5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
    6. The promotion of excessive drinking
    7. Emptying of churches
    8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
    9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
    10. Control and dumbing down of media
    11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

    Which one of these tactics did you use, marxist? #1 I believe. By the way, me and Martin Luther King believe a man should be judged by the content of his character, not the color of his skin. Every single feminist has used the term, “white privilege.” That is a judgement based on the color of one’s skin. I stand as an equal racist with Martin Luther King. Every feminist is a racist and a marxist.

    Those 11 maxist point are the perfect description of feminism.

    You belong to a foul racist, sexist hate movement. It began as one and it’s gotten worse.

  17. We know that male aversion to intimacy is not a cultural universal. But here’s a puzzle for feminists. Feminists might predict that under traditionalist patriarchy, men would be afraid to hug other men, and the modern West’s feminism and LGBT movement would cure men of that fear. However, we see the opposite. Men hug men in traditional, patriarchal cultures, but in the 21st-century West such behavior is considered effeminate.

  18. I have a friend who is an aerospace engineer. She works for Lockheed Martin at the moment but has been itching to get into NASA her whole life and I am sure she will get there because she has the drive and talent and definitely the intellect.

    She even cooks as a hobby so there :P

    I tend to bristle at stereotypes of women because i am a stay at home parent (for now) and I don’t have a 4 year degree or any forseeable plans to get one. I am not especially very good at math or physics, but still no worse than the average man with the same level of education in the subjects. I prefer the “soft” sciences and “female” type jobs like social worker, art history teacher, etc. I think that things coded feminine have more value than they are often credited.

    I guess I find myself being mad where I do fit the stereotype while also feeling like a failure when I don’t (I am a terrible cook and I dislike childcare as I can barely stand my own kids [joking]). And I know my husband – math geek gamer guy but also loves broadway musicals and dislikes violence and sports – feels similarly about both succeeding and failing the masculine stereotype. It is like gender essentialism hurts everyone.. O_O

  19. If you want to know what the ghetto is like and why it is the way it is, come see me.

    We’ll get right on that, slave. Because you have such a balanced, accurate perspective of everything else.

  20. Jesus tittyfucking Christ, NWO, stop being such a racist anti-semite gasbag. You’re a frothy asshole who really should just go find a fucking cave and live there.

  21. “I had a dream that one day a vile philosophy known as feminism would visit the land and bring suffering to my people, who by the way are not oppressed at all.” — Martin Luther King, jr.

  22. @hellkell
    “Jesus tittyfucking Christ,”

    Good job ridiculing the faith of one billion people. Feminism is a hate movement.

  23. @Tulgey Logger
    “who by the way are not oppressed at all”

    White men can never be oppressed. Judgement by the color of their skin. Feminism is a hate movement.

  24. @ronalon42
    “It is like gender essentialism hurts everyone.. O_O”

    Gender essentialism is a part of the feminist ideology of partiarchy, based on the notion that women are oppressed therefore men’s oppression is not acting like women. Hatred of the masculine. Feminism is a hate movement.

  25. @fembot
    “We’ll get right on that, slave. Because you have such a balanced, accurate perspective of everything else.”

    I am a man who is not a feminist, tolerance of my opinion is ridiculed due to not following feminist dogma. I am hated for this. Feminism is a hate movement.

  26. And… is NWOslave really choosing not to dispute the conclusion that “NWO is saying that women are turning people black.”?

    I don’t need to dispute baseless accusations…

    That part wasn’t an accusation, you fool.

    Every single feminist has used the term, “white privilege.” That is a judgement based on the color of one’s skin.

    No. It isn’t.

  27. Gender essentialism is a part of the feminist ideology of partiarchy, based on the notion that mares are oppressed therefore stallions’s oppression is not acting like mares. Hatred of the masculine. Feminism is a hate movement.

    Care to explain your specific definition of “The masculine”?

  28. @Tulgey Logger
    “who by the way are not oppressed at all”

    White men can never be oppressed. Judgement by the color of their skin. Feminism is a hate movement.

    Wow, you really showed me, Owly!

  29. Did this sort of thing possibly happen to owly as a child?

    http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=341

  30. Owly literally does not understand a thing.

  31. I mean, some people would be embarrassed by being so egregiously, consistently, outstandingly wrong on even the most minor points, but for Owly that is all buried underneath his bigoted, racist, sexist, ragespume.

  32. Oh, oh, oh, Owly, I dunno if I told you yet, but I’m the Illuminati, and the lizards are actually pretty nice people once you get to know them, you should dig to hollow earth and go meet them.

  33. Saying “feminism is a hate movement” over and over does not make it true.

  34. NWOslave, if someone calls you sexist and racist, the proper response is, “Oh, well. So were all the great men of history, so I’m not too offended.” You don’t know what you’re doing with this, “No, you’re the real sexists and racists!” Your opponents are of the tradition that invented those words; you cannot wield them.

  35. You’re a feminist. I’d say she failed miserably. You belong to the most destructive societal hate group ever devised in the frankfurt school of marxism. Not exactly a resounding success.

    Oh, I don’t know about that. Sounds like the Frankfurt School of Marxism devised some pretty serious hate groups. What about their secret gay recruitment schools? What about their plot to make TV shows dumb? Is feminism really worse than “Family Guy”?

    Anyway, I’m a happy and productive member of society. What else should therapy have done for me?

    Nah, it just proves the dismal failure. Women mucked that shit up. Move on to the next. I guess if ya want all society to fail completely, (almost there), put women in charge.

    Oh, honey, I’m so disappointed. You didn’t even read what I wrote, and I love writing about science. I didn’t say women mucked up science. I said they made it BETTER.

    I’m a little confused. Can you give an example of how biology and medicine have gotten mucked up since women got involved? I’m drawing a blank here.

    Just out of curiosity, when everything goes belly up, and we can clearly see how women played the major role in it. Will it still be mens fault? I mean we know the schools system is shit and it’s an all womens club. Are men still to blame? Can we finally say, women fucked it up?

    I have lots of ideas about how public education could be improved, but I have to continue to disagree with you on the notion that the current problems are caused by schoolteachers having vaginas, since most U.S. schoolteachers have always had vaginas.

    As for your larger question, I have severe doubts that the Earth will be destroyed at any point in the near future. If it happens, I’m sure that both men and women will be among the responsible parties, for various reasons that have nothing to do with women having jobs and stuff.

    Let’s say we agree to wait to assign blame for things when they actually happen. The collapse of society, the coalition of Arab nations into a single superpower, the mass firing of male CEOs and their replacement by random women plucked off the street, etc.

  36. If he doesn’t dispute it, are you going to pretend he said it and put it in the Book of Learnin’?

    Of course not. I am very serious about the Book of Learnin’. Anyway, the Book already includes many facts about race relations, all of which, as far as I can tell, NWO genuinely believes:

    All beatings and murders of African-American slaves were committed by women.

    The only problem faced by female African-American slaves was that no one helped them into carriages. Therefore, a white man who has to stand on a bus has suffered worse than Sojourner Truth.

    Lynchings in the American South consisted of women accusing men of rape because they were man-hating feminists. In cases where a man was lynched on an accusation from another man, the lynchings were justified.

    In 100 years, white people will have gone extinct because white women didn’t reproduce enough. Archeologists discovering the remains of Western culture will laugh at us for letting women have rights.

    I bet you only knew, like, half those things. That’s why I keep the Book. To educate.

  37. NWOslave, if someone calls you sexist and racist, the proper response is, “Oh, well. So were all the great men of history, so I’m not too offended.”

    pbbbbbt HAHAHAHA

    You don’t know what you’re doing with this, “No, you’re the real sexists and racists!” Your opponents are of the tradition that invented those words; you cannot wield them.

    This is what these fools sound like when they talk to each other.

    It. Is. Precious.

  38. Shaenon, please be sure to add this gem to the Book O’ Larnin':

    Feminism is the cause of all black suffering.

  39. Feminism is the cause of all black suffering. And you’ve got the guts to call me a racist.

    Fuck you, you racist piece of shit.

  40. @scrapemind

    You’re still trying to subtly manipulate people and feeling like a chessmaster. Keep having fun with that, but just remember, nobody is really paying attention.

    @Shaenon

    I’ve forgotten to mention for the past little while but I love Narbonic, I haven’t had the chance to read much because I’m bogged with something like 8 different webcomics at the moment, and I barely keep tabs on 3 of them, but I’ve been meaning to, and from what I have read I’ve loved it.

  41. By the way, me and Martin Luther King believe a man should be judged by the content of his character, not the color of his skin.

    Seriously, fuck you, you racist piece of shit.

    But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

    -Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in 1963

    Please keep in mind that NWO is claiming that prior to second wave feminism Black people did not suffer.

  42. NWOslave scrambling headlong towards a stick ruling like he got on Pandagon…

  43. nah, he’s said way worse and he’s still allowed, he’s just stuck in permanent moderation

  44. Still wondering where Slavey gets this stuff, I mean this is a brand of silly that even infowars doesn’t descend to.

  45. Not that I ignored the answer last time, but it is really curious as to how he draws these conclusions, is it just brainfax or does he get this from somewhere aside from infowars, prisonplanet and stormfront. As those sources are rather obvious, and there just have to be more, I’ve been to those sites just to have a laugh, and none of them drop to some of the levels that Slavey does in his comments here.

  46. Additional fun history note the march where MLK gave the I Have a Dream speech was organized by socialists and the multiple time Socialist Party of America presidential candidate stood on the stage with him. MLK also had published a piece calling him ‘the bravest man I know’ and saying that ‘he was with us before anyone else was with us’.

  47. @scrapemind

    ‘We know that male aversion to intimacy is not a cultural universal. But here’s a puzzle for feminists. Feminists might predict that under traditionalist patriarchy, men would be afraid to hug other men, and the modern West’s feminism and LGBT movement would cure men of that fear. However, we see the opposite. Men hug men in traditional, patriarchal cultures, but in the 21st-century West such behavior is considered effeminate.’

    While this is an awful oversimplification, pretty much to the point of not being debatable (which cultures are involved here? Which cultures in the west? In what context are men hugging?), I will just say that while women have moved into traditionally ‘male’ environments, including sports and certain careers, there has been a backlash (as if I need to point this out!) of men that’s quite a distasteful mix of misogyny and homophobia. In some men’s eyes (generally the kind who believe in a Leave it to Beaver version of the past that never existed, ever) as women become ‘male’ men must be extra vigilant not to do anything coded ‘female.’ Including touching other men.

    The footballers do still seem to be fine with it, though.

  48. On the other hand, I know a lot of teenagers and college kids who are comfortable with their own sexuality and that of their friends, gay, bi, straight and everything in between. Perhaps these kids have always existed, but I don’t think so. There are still the bigots (often, sigh, yes, the closeted ones who are protesting too much), but the number of kids who barely shrug at anything but hetero is growing.

  49. As Walmarts go up, so does homophobia? The two don’t fit.

    The Western male culture of men-no-huggie was long before there was a female here or there doing this or that.

    I’m in the Philippines, strongly patriarchal, and men hold on to each other and are very physically close. If you wanted to get them to stop you could jokingly associate this with “Bakla” gay… .(I know this because of teaching Koreans out here, I can’t get into that without going into a big thing.) My point is, I think it’s a faulty premise that acceptance of gay culture for hetero men means more touchy feely expressions. Some of the cultures where men kiss on the cheek is so homohateful, they kill people and hang them from trees.

    Here it’s weird, there are many many gay and trans people. There are many more than I have seen in the states, and this includes in popular culture. I can still hear stories of parents disowning children, but here they laugh at the people for the most part. I can’t speak for the ones that are the target of laughter, it seems to me to be better for them than out and out violence. I don’t know how to weigh a clown role they are forced to play over the latter. They are happy and joking and accept their personas on the outside, I can say that much. They’re still otherized and that becomes their entire identity.

    Example, I walk into a room, someone points to a guy and says laughing and loud, “HE IS A GAY!!” the person pointed out smiles. Me:”Yes, I know, I’m aware of that thanks. ”

    We had a dwarf at our school. Popular guy, happy. But I was frustrated over hearing everywhere he went, “HE IS SMALL!” No fucking shit you bunch of Sherlocks. Why don’t you get a clue on how that might make someone feel hearing that non stop every day, all his life? And the dude still smiled along with everyone else.

    But men touching eachother might have the reverse relationship to homophobia than what you’re spelling out here.

  50. creativewritingstudent

    There was a thing on Texts from Last Night about someone putting drops of acid in random drinks in their fridge whilst drunk.

    I think NWOslave is what you get if you do this to the staff fridge(s) at the Daily Mail.

  51. creativewritingstudent

    Well, not quite. I haven’t seen him mention cancer or house prices yet.

  52. He’s replaced the cancer paranoia with additional rants about girls who dress too sexy (preteen edition) and the evil influence of the Disney channel.

  53. NWO is pretending he knows what, “the ghetto” is like, and all the rest of us are ignorant fools.

    I know what “the ghetto” is like. I grew up in one. It was poor. Some people were violent. The cops hassled you. There was theft. There was murder. People looked down on you, because of where you were from. The good jobs required a commute. The busses don’t run as regularly. Grocery stores are either far away, or poorly stocked; they have higher prices.

    That’s what the ghetto is like. It’s that way because some parts of society don’t like/care for/get benefit from oppressing, other parts.

    He, of course, will say that it’s “FEMINISM” which is doing the oppressing. They do it by electing bigots and racists and homophobes into office, because that’s how they want the world.

    Them, and the Rothchild bankers.

  54. True Story: I was in Iraq, Spring, 2003. A friend of mine had been sent forward, to do field interrogations with units in the Forward Edge of the Battle Area (forgive the milspeak, think of it as what used to be called, “the front”, and realise he was supposed to be just a little behind the fighting).

    About three weeks (and two major relocations) later we were in a camp a bit SSW of Baghdad). I’m heading to the mess tent, and this guy I don’t quite recognise is flipping me the bird, in stereo. It was my friend, he’d lost twenty lbs, and grown a mustache, and gotten a tan (which was true of pretty much all of us, save the mustache; about half the guys grew them; the women didn’t).

    When I realised who it was… we were hugging in the street.

  55. >>>the evil influence of the Disney channel.

    So we finally found one thing NWOslave is right about?

  56. …So, in summary, NWO doesn’t think anyone should be judged on the color of their skin, as long as they’re white.

  57. And also, I only think he’s a racist because I didn’t grow up around black people.

    …Oops, I did, but it doesn’t count because they weren’t the bad kind of black people, like the ones he knew.

    …And that’s why he’s not a racist.

  58. “If you want to know what the ghetto is like and why it is the way it is, come see me. We all know who the racists are, princess. We who lived in the ghetto, call them feminists.” My firsthand experience says otherwise. However, you are talking about the ghetto in NWO land which exists entirely in your own head which doesn’t qualify as real world experience to begin with.

  59. @Uncle Elmer

    Is that really you in the photo beneath the title of your seminal article at The Spearhead? Gee, you sure look exceptionally pleased to be seated at such a grand meal after your long day working in the salt mines (or whatever the hell dangerous and dirty job you do). Can’t imagine why you had to wait for a “ForeignBride” to “finally arrive” in order for you to be treated in manner you so obviously deserve!! Gosh, there must have been SCADS of domestic women just banging down your door for the chance to prepare you an awesome meal, laid before you in restaurant-style manner. Oh, and look, your “ForeignBride” manages to do it so effortlessly, especially with a little one under foot (or, rather, wedged between her and the kitchen table, as evidenced in the 9th photo of your fabulous at-home photo shoot).

  60. Black person who lives in “the ghetto” here. Yeah…not a very feminist place. Crime everywhere and all of that. So bad I’m afraid to tell people where I’m from. When I told people I lived in Compton most of my life, people are like, “God damn, man, how did you survive?” due to the city’s reputation as a crime-infested place, which, by the way, is fueled not by Feminism, but by a hugely mistaken cultural idea of machismo, along with bad economic conditions, lack of support programs (or at least, ones that are slow as hell) and a school district that is corrupt as fuck.

    …you know, given how wrong NWO is on this matter, I think he will lose his shit when he discovers bell hooks’ book “We Real Cool”.

  61. Red Locker: Compton? I was in Bell Gardens. My second stepfather was from Compton (actually from Dogtown, though I doubt that part of town is still called that).

    Small fucking world.

  62. Thing is, none of those gals in the “control room” were home during dinner hour serving a fine meal to their husbands, as profiled in my seminal Spearhead essay “A Man Wants a Wife, Not a Co-Worker”

    Uh…this is self-parody, right? He doesn’t really expect us to suddenly smack our foreheads and go “OH! Of course! It all makes sense now! Feminism is TEH DEVIL!!!”, does he?

  63. @Pecunium: Whoa, really? Wow.

    Yeah, I don’t remember any part of Compton that is called “Dogtown”. Maybe it was somewhere in the 90’s? I don’t know, exactly.

  64. …you know, given how wrong NWO is on this matter, I think he will lose his shit when he discovers bell hooks’ book “We Real Cool”

    unless the ‘we’ is jedi, i dont think that’s gonna be a problem

  65. howardbann1ster

    And… now I’m thinking about what a Star Wars novel written by bell hooks would be like.

    …this is either the worst thing that happened to me today, or the best.

  66. The only Dogtown I know of in greater Los Angeles is the neighborhood near the border of SM and Venice. (But there are many things about my hometown that I don’t know.)

    Hello, LA-area peeps!

  67. Thing is, none of those gals in the “control room” were home during dinner hour serving a fine meal to their husbands, as profiled in my seminal Spearhead essay “A Man Wants a Wife, Not a Co-Worker” :

    “A woman wants a husband, not an infant.” A man’s got hands and a tongue, he’s just as capable of cooking if he wants.

    Also, if you want women who have literally nothing else to do with their time but clean and cook, hire a maid. That and a few middle class women have been the sum and total of women who had that kinda time.

    NWOslave, if someone calls you sexist and racist, the proper response is, “Oh, well. So were all the great men of history, so I’m not too offended.” You don’t know what you’re doing with this, “No, you’re the real sexists and racists!” Your opponents are of the tradition that invented those words; you cannot wield them.

    I was hoping you weren’t a complete and total tool, but I apparently raised those hopes in vein.

  68. Ah, my kingdom for an edit button. *vain

  69. A man’s got hands and a tongue, he’s just as capable of cooking if he wants.

    More than just capable of cooking, as owly so kindly informed us, “since all the greatest chefs in the world are men”. I guess maybe the husbands ought to be home during the dinner hour serving a fine meal to their wives!

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