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Men’s Rights Redditor: “(Most) women don’t love men.” (Also, it’s only respectful for dudes to hang onto nude pics of an ex-girlfriend.)

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, some of the fellas are discussing a recent post from Arthur Goldwag on the Southern Poverty Law Center Hatewatch blog. Goldwag looks at some of the hero-bashing comments from MRAs in the wake of the Aurora shootings, which we’ve discussed here and here.

This somehow inspires the prolix Men’s Right Redditor Demonspawn to set forth some of his opinions about (most) women and how shitty they are. The whole discussion is worth reading, as a sort of case study in MRA hypocrisy: all this woman-hatred comes in a thread in which Reddit MRAs wax indignant once again that anyone might possibly label them hateful. (Also, how dare women suggest that there’s anything untoward about a dude hanging onto nude pics of an ex, when clearly not deleting them is a sign of “respect.”)

Looks like Demonspawn won himself a convert! Congrats. you beautiful douchebag.

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Posted on August 3, 2012, in antifeminism, hate, hypocrisy, irony alert, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, reactionary bullshit, reddit, woman's suffrage. Bookmark the permalink. 124 Comments.

  1. This is, in point of fact, why I firmly believe that men should date women who are roughly comparable in earning potential. I have gone on many dates, it’s true; I’ve also turned down and/or neglected to pursue many potential dates. There were, obviously, a plethora of reasons, but one of the most common is and was a disparity in earnings. I will not be objectified for my money – I consider this a shining example of cultural misandry and will mitigate it whenever possible. And women who work – and especially, who are as successful as me – are much less inclined to expect me to subsidize their livelihood, like I’m some sort of all-purpose servant and butler.

    I encourage other men to restrict their dating pool likewise.

  2. But if she has a job, she might be intelligent or educated! And that’s a SUPER NO-NO!

  3. Am I just having a bad day, or is Demonspawn a really fucking confusing writer? Also, I was sort of puzzled by how Canadian4Paul folded when I looked to the left and saw Canadian4Paul.

    “Success objects” lol.

  4. Dude, you forgot to mention Ella. You’re slacking.

  5. “I will not be objectified for my money” this statement literally made me lol

    “And women who work – and especially, who are as successful as me – are much less inclined to expect me to subsidize their livelihood, like I’m some sort of all-purpose servant and butler.”

    Haven’t we all gone over how paying for dinner = / = subsidizing livelihood (or even food intake), and how none of this relates to your ragewanking over servant/butler?

  6. Ha ha, creepy dude Steele Pole Butthorn’s blog is back! And he thinks what he does is “journalism.”

    http://antimanboobz.wordpress.com/2012/08/03/hiatus/

  7. And women who work – and especially, who are as successful as me – are much less inclined to expect me to subsidize their livelihood, like I’m some sort of all-purpose servant and butler.

    Reason 43290875# Steele shouldn’t have been a writer: from his usage, it is no longer possible to know if “subsidize their livelihood” actually just means “pay for a dinner.” He also doesn’t seem to realize that servants and butlers are paid employees, not financial benefactors.

  8. You can’t talk about men or women without generalizations

    Then fuck talking about men or women. Talk about people.

  9. “A perfectionist to the last, I’d much prefer to be upfront than have the quality of my journalism suffer. ”

    Thank you, Steele, I needed a good laugh today.

  10. I don’t mean to be too hard on you, though, Steele. Good on you for standing up to society’s oppression of wealthy men.

  11. No “excuse me”, no “vile”, no “disgusting”. He didn’t even say “misandrist-feminist”.

  12. That whole meme that there’s separate gendered definitions of love/respect needs to die a horrible death. NOW.

  13. As a man you often find yourself thinking back to when you were a boy and women loved and adored you. What happened. Is it the beard growth? Suddenly you’re not good enough. Strange how that works.

    Heh, any Diana Wynne Jones fans here? ‘Cos the first thing I thought of when I read that was this quote from Lives of Christopher Chant:

    “Christopher had no idea that people saw him like this. He was astounded. What’s gone wrong with me? he thought. I’m nice really! When he went to the Anywheres as a small boy, everyone had liked him. Everybody had smiled. Total strangers had given him things. Christopher saw that he had gone on thinking that people only had to see him to like him, and it was only too clear that nobody did.”

    SuicideBanana doesn’t seem to realise that this works exactly the same for girls. When you’re a small and adorable child you can do anything you like, and people will indulge you and adore you and tell you you’re cute, and run around cleaning up after you because you’re an adorable but clueless child who doesn’t know any better yet, and you don’t have to actually be a decent person or take responsibility for anything to earn this.

    I am quite worried for this guy that this is his definition of adult love.

  14. Love it. He’s trying to simultaneously argue that obsession with material wealth is shallow, but obsession with physical beauty is not. What the fuck ever, duder.

  15. Also, apparently cleanshaven dudes are as adorable as kids!

    DAMMIT

  16. Steele is so funny. Men own/control 98% of the land on the planet and he thinks misandry is a thing. If that’s losing, I want to be a loser too!

  17. Tulgey, its not just you. I read Demonspawn’s initial kickoff several times, and it’s still not perfectly clear.

    FIGHT THE POWER, STEELE!!! Or shut the fuck up, your choice.

  18. Man: “If I ‘respected’ her, I’d consider her capable of considering the potential of us breaking up when she allowed those pictures. I’m keeping them because I’m holding her accountable for her decision.” [- No man, ever.] Male respect as accountability and competency.

    I do enjoy how his example of male respect puts “respect” in scare quotes, making it clear that the speaker does not respect his ex and likely did not when he was with her. The misogyny froth is so great, he can’t even make his own misogynistic point without tripping himself up.

    CLEAR UNBIASED CRITICAL THINKING

  19. OK, so they want to be loved like children? The shitty writing was throwing me off. And the “success object” thing…errr, are these guys all millionaire CEOs?

  20. Man: “If I ‘respected’ her, I’d consider her capable of considering the potential of us breaking up when she allowed those pictures. I’m keeping them because I’m holding her accountable for her decision.”

    She should have realized that I’m the kind of asshole who would cease giving any consideration to her feelings the moment I wasn’t being rewarded with sex. Is it my fault she failed to notice I’m a total doucheface?!??

  21. I would try to frenchcountertroll here, but I feel I’m wearing it out already.

  22. I love how, if there are nude pics from sexytiems, not deleting them is “holding her accountable for her actions.”

    Those actions you are “holding her accountable” for? Those actions are not “letting you snap her nekkers.” Those actions are “breaking up with you.”

    And they are to be punished by releasing said dirty snaps to the Intarwebz.

    She shouldn’t have broken up with you, huh? You’ll show her that actions have consequences!

    You utter slimeball. If I found you stuck to the bottom of my shoe, I’d have to throw away the kitchen knife I used to scrape you into the trash. I might have to throw away the shoe, too, but then I’d look daft.

  23. errr, are these guys all millionaire CEOs?

    No, some of them are millionaire CEO yuppie grad student entrepreneurs.

    With a hot girlfriend. Sorry, semi-attractive.

    And a flying car.

  24. And a professional journalistic website.. I mean, blog. A half-arsed blog.

  25. No, some of them are millionaire CEO yuppie grad student entrepreneurs.

    With a hot fillyfriend. Sorry, semi-attractive.

    And a flying car.

    And a yacht, don’t forget the yacht.

  26. Suicide Banana also believes that I am Paul Elam. No, really.

  27. Actually, scratch that, i’m not convinced he uses even half his arse.

  28. Does Paul Elam have kitties?

  29. I’ve heard David Futrelle is single-handedly responsible for global warming!

  30. I’ve heard that David Futrelle causes tooth decay.

  31. I’m pretty sure David Futrelle stole my milk.

  32. David Futrelle was Harry Reid’s anonymous source.

  33. David Futrelle was Deep Throat.

  34. David Futrelle is secretly just David Futrelle in a David Futrelle costume.

  35. This is, in point of fact, why I firmly believe that men should date women who are roughly comparable in earning potential make approximately the same amount of money as them. I have gone on many dates, it’s true; I’ve also turned down and neglected to pursue many potential dates.There were, obviously, a plethora of reasons, but one the most common is and wasbecause of a disparity in our earnings. will not be objectified for my money – I consider this a shining example of cultural misandry and will mitigate it whenever possible I fight against it whenever I can. And women who work– and especially, who are as successful as me –, especially those who are as successful as me, are much less inclined to expect me to subsidize their livelihood, like I’m some sort of all-purpose servant and butler. likely to expect me to pay the bill on my own when we go out on a date.

    I encourage other men to restrict their dating pool likewise.

    Steele, I know you want to be a writer. So I’ve tried to edit the first comment you made on this particular blog post in order to make it more readable. I’m sure that even my edited version can still be improved, but I think it’s still better than what you wrote. You have the unfortunate tendency to use big words when smaller ones will do and include irrelevant information that distracts from whatever point you are trying to make. I’ve tried to cut down on that.

    For your sake (and the sake of everyone who has to read your comments) I hope you learn from this.

  36. David Futrelle added 163,000 jobs in July.

  37. David Futrelle is actually Jimmy Hoffa.

  38. David Futrelle wished my favourite mug into a cornfield.

  39. Not a lot of people know this, but midway through the first season Paul Elam was replaced by David Futrelle. Viewership skyrocketed.

  40. If David Futrelle, then who was phone?

  41. David Futrelle is Paul Elam, Andrea Dworkin, Michael Phelps, and the entire cast of The Brady Bunch.

  42. David Futrelle sunk my battleship!

  43. Pay no attention to the David Futrelle behind the curtain!

  44. Arielle Shander

    Not sure if intentional satire…or unintentional stupidity.

  45. Like Falconer said, the picture bit is the creepiest–probably because while the author knows he has to justify why women and men have different definition of “love”, the idea that he’s holding his ex “accountable” for her “actions” by keeping nude pictures is so obvious it can be used as an example.

  46. I’m so sick of hearing about hypergamy. There is a big difference between wanting to find a rich man to support you, and wanting to find a man with his shit together who has a bank account and a decent credit score. Sheesh. And these guys are aware that sometimes men end relationships, right? Why is it always women doing the dumping in these scenarios?

  47. David Futrelle is actually a woman, who is actually a horse, who is actually a broomstick, who is actually a series of ducks in a broomstick costume.

  48. When you hear a grown-ass man complain because women don’t love him the same way they love small children, you know you’re dealing with a healthy dude. “She did not treat me with the same unconditional love and constant adoration that she gives to children, so Imma gonna hoard these nude pictures of her, and probably let her know that i could upload them to the internet at any time.”

    Anna found the creepy and Falconer found the evil.

  49. That whole meme that there’s separate gendered definitions of love/respect needs to die a horrible death. NOW.

    They always fall back on it when using the same definition would show how goofy their argument is. Like, can you imagine this guy reacting well if he discovered his girlfriend had a collection of sexy nude photos of men she dated? I’m sure he would nod sagely and say, “Yes, honey, of course you need to punish your old boyfriends by staring longingly at naked pictures of them. I respect the hell out of that.”

    I do like how hilariously specific this particular example is. Sorry your girlfriend got mad about your fap collection, dude.

  50. When you hear a grown-ass man complain because women don’t love him the same way they love small children, you know you’re dealing with a healthy dude.

    Liz Lemon: You’re so insecure you get jealous of babies for their soft skin.
    Jenna: AND because of how much attention they get.

  51. The red-tinted face on David Futrelle’s blog is actually an accurate representation of his full form, a la the Face of Boe.

  52. I like how the thought hasn’t seemed to have crossed Demonspawn’s mind that perhaps the reason women don’t love him as much as he thinks they should is because he at least believes that keeping naked pictures of his exes is okay. I’m actually pretty okay with this representation of women though; who knew that all women were the face of reasonable morality all of a sudden.

  53. Wonder if Demonspawn reckons men also love children just for being. He doesn’t mention it.

  54. Dark Knight Rises: Meh.

    Since you were all waiting with bated breath.

  55. Why is it always women doing the dumping in these scenarios?

    ppppppprrrrrrrooooooojjjjjjjeeeeeeeccccccctttttttiiiiiiiooooooonnnnnnn.

  56. David Futrelle was the mysterious creature on the planet Midnight!

  57. Of course, 5 million years in the future, David Futrelle is Face of Boe!

    Dr. Who Spoiler Warning:

    (Keep in mind, nowadays, that means he’s Captain Jack Harkness!)

  58. I will not be objectified for my money

    Don’t worry, I’m sure that won’t be an issue.

    I consider this a shining example of cultural misandry

    You would, yeah.

    And women who work – and especially, who are as successful as me – are much less inclined to expect me to subsidize their livelihood

    Again, I want to know what kind of dates you go on that could possibly count as ‘subsidizing livelihood’.

  59. David Futrelle was the man on the Grassy Knoll.

  60. Shush with your disinfo campaign, lowquacks!

    Enlightened, intelligent people know that it was The Smoking Man who shot Kennedy. (And MLK.)

  61. This is just bible bullshit I remember being taught. “The women needs love, and the man needs respect.” (Though respect often meant obedience.) Anyway,women are just as capable of loving their partners as men are.

    What will they come up with next to try and prove women are inferior?

  62. Yeah, it’s the beard. LOL!

  63. David Futrelle designed the Cloverfield monster.

  64. Jealously competing for David Futrelle’s friendship caused the rift/feud between Marx and Bakunin.

  65. So they want to be treated like children but they also want to be the Big Man In Charge, and then they also want to be able to fuck over women whenever they want but make sure she has no ability to do the opposite.

    Ok…that makes….sense….

    In other news…..

    I heard that David Futrelle is actually a group of super-intelligent mega-kittens who are conducting experiments on the human mind by placing random words together and copy-pastaing various things from the Internetz for the lolz. The website appears whatever way the viewer expects it to look based on IP address, which is why the trolls make absolutely no sense.

  66. Again, I want to know what kind of dates you go on that could possibly count as ‘subsidizing livelihood’.

    I don’t think he meant that the dinner and livelihood stuff were the same. He just doesn’t know how to write very well and probably meant lifestyle when he wrote livelihood. But from what I’ve read these guys don’t really have to worry about golddiggers or females after their money :)

  67. You know it’s a bad day when Celda is the temperate, downvoted voice of reason in the mister subreddit.

  68. Carmen Sandiago is in David Futrelle.

  69. Again, I want to know what kind of dates you go on that could possibly count as ‘subsidizing livelihood’.

    There are some men who believe that women are able to amass a fortune because they “never have to pay for dinner or drinks.” Apparently, the clothing, makeup, salon work, and other self-maintenance that is required to look appropriately attractive to be one of these dating girls is completely FREE.

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