Men’s Rights Redditor: “(Most) women don’t love men.” (Also, it’s only respectful for dudes to hang onto nude pics of an ex-girlfriend.)

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, some of the fellas are discussing a recent post from Arthur Goldwag on the Southern Poverty Law Center Hatewatch blog. Goldwag looks at some of the hero-bashing comments from MRAs in the wake of the Aurora shootings, which we’ve discussed here and here.

This somehow inspires the prolix Men’s Right Redditor Demonspawn to set forth some of his opinions about (most) women and how shitty they are. The whole discussion is worth reading, as a sort of case study in MRA hypocrisy: all this woman-hatred comes in a thread in which Reddit MRAs wax indignant once again that anyone might possibly label them hateful. (Also, how dare women suggest that there’s anything untoward about a dude hanging onto nude pics of an ex, when clearly not deleting them is a sign of “respect.”)

Looks like Demonspawn won himself a convert! Congrats. you beautiful douchebag.

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Posted on August 3, 2012, in antifeminism, hate, hypocrisy, irony alert, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, reactionary bullshit, reddit, woman's suffrage. Bookmark the permalink. 124 Comments.

  1. “David Futrelle is….(fill in the blank).”

    Pathetic Earthings, the plot is much simpler that that. David Futrelle is a cut-out for his cats. It’s the cats who are sowing all this confusion, and it’s the cats who are going to take over the world. You heard it here first.

  2. Crumbelievable

    David Futrelle is Bane.

    Think about it. You never did see what he looked like under that mask.

  3. David Futrelle is DB Cooper. And he kidnapped the Lindbergh baby.

  4. The “success object” nonsense is awesome.
    Feminism: Often times society doesn’t recognize women as individual human beings with ideas and emotions. Instead women are seen as objects to be used to make penises happy.
    MRAs: Oh yeah, well sometimes the penis pleasing devices won’t make our penises happy (like they’re supposed to) if we don’t have a lot of money. SAME THING. Check mate, feminism.

  5. David Futrelle pushed Sherlock.

    David Futrelle is the final Cylon.

    David Futrelle is the Bat-Man. Bruce Wayne is just a front man.

  6. Well, gang, looks like the Ghost of Apple Blossom Farm was really Old Man Futrelle all along!

  7. creativewritingstudent

    @Magnesium

    Well, if you had enough money you could pay for a custom-made monkey spanker with boobs.

  8. David Futrelle is only a model.

  9. @creativewritingstudent:

    You mean like this?

  10. David Futrelle is Professor Katz!

    In other news, I’ve been reading SteelePole’s wonderful example of investigative journalism grandiose word salad of a blog this morning, and I think I may have actually pulled something laughing. How’s life in opposite-world, Mikey?

    Oh, sorry…

    ?yekiM ,dlrow-etisoppo ni efil s’woH

  11. David would’ve got away with it if it wasn’t for you meddling kids!

  12. creativewritingstudent

    @speedbudget

    That’s an orang-utan, but yes.

  13. David Futrelle is only a model.

    Shh!

  14. David Futrelle figured out the number from Pi, and is keeping it from us for our own safety.

  15. Trapped in the past, David Futrelle finds himself leaping from life to life, putting things right that once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home.

  16. David Futrelle knows what’s in the briefcase from Pulp Fiction.

  17. David Futrelle is a literary detective without equal. This time, it’s personal.

  18. @hellkell Actually, I do know what’s in the suitcase in Pulp Fiction. It was in an earlier version of the script, IIRC.

  19. princess_bubblegum

    David Futrelle is Keyser Soze

  20. If I ‘repsected’ her I’d consider her capable of considering the potential of us breaking up when she allowed those pictures. I’m keeping them because I’m holding her responsible for her decision.

    Keeping them to “hold her responsible” screams “I’ll release them to the internet” to me.

    Which is why I generally won’t let dudes take nudie pics of me. I’ll allow only specific pictures that in no way can identify me, but it’s limited to a few pictures…if I even agree to it in the first place, which mostly I don’t. Up close picture of my boob? Sure, as long as my face is nowhere in the picture, because my tit will get lost in the myriad of breasts on the internet. (I know other people would be mortified, but if a guy identifies me by my boobs/vulva, I’d probably die laughing. It’s like I could look at a random penis and go, “Oh, hey, I know that guy!”)

    Basically this guy is saying “Yeah, well, my girlfriend trusted me enough to take nudie pictures of her/send nudie pics to me, but she was wrong because I’m more of the bitter asshole type who doesn’t care about how she feels.” I wonder how he’d feel if women kept refusing nudie pics on the basis of his statement above – I’ve known guys who were really, really insistent on it (like that will change my “absolutely not”) and pouted when they couldn’t, which proved to me that I was right in not allowing it. The two guys that I sent nudie pics to were actually understanding of my concern and were perfectly okay if I had said “no”, and one actually prefaced his request with something along the lines of “if you’re not comfortable with this, I’ll understand”. Something tells me that he’s less than honest with them, and I highly doubt he respected them at all.

    When asking for consent includes an implied threat, that’s coercion, not a choice (if they asked in the first place). If someone trusts a person enough to send nudie pics to their dating partner, it’s the partner’s responsibility to recognize that trust and keep private pictures private. Personally, I’m not bothered by guys who hang to my nudie pics with the intention of having personal wank material but I can understand where other people wouldn’t be okay with it. Also, if the subject of the pictures does not want him to keep them, the respectful thing to do would be to delete them, but he’d have to respect her in the first place.

  21. David Futrelle is the G-Man.

  22. Well, I’m glad someone decoded the post, because as far as I was concerned, it contained twenty layers of WTF.

    Seriously, do these idiots want people to go around pinching their cheeks and telling them what cutie-wooties they are? I can’t imagine that helps when trying to be hired or promoted.

  23. David Futrell is Liam Kincaid, a man torn between two worlds.

  24. Make Shit Up About David Futrelle Day: now a twice annual event!

  25. It’s even got a theme this time.

  26. CrazyLadyBlues

    I am now so relieved I didn’t give in to “If you don’t send me nude photos of you then I won’t speak to you anymore” after reading Demonspawn’s post.

  27. David Futrelle turned the ‘suck’ knob to 11.

  28. David Futrelle is the reason Half Life 3 isn’t out yet.

  29. It’s even got a theme this time.


    Goes with everything.

  30. It has been foretold by the Mayans that David Futrelle will spark the end of the world this December with his flatulence.

  31. David Futrelle was a sled all along

  32. Monsieur sans Nom

    Ahhhhhhhhh, sex objects and success objects!

    No wonder the divorce rates are so high these days……

  33. Monsieur sans Nom

    The plain truth is that puh-len-ty of men and women do indeed objectify members of the opposite sex. So feminists need to STFU about “sex objects” until the acknowledge “success objects”.

  34. I refuse to even consider the term “success object” until you demonstrate that you actually understand what “objectification” means. So far, you’ve demonstrated the contrary. Educate yourself first, then get back to us. Hint: Start with grammar.

  35. The plain truth is that puh-len-ty of men and women do indeed objectify members of the opposite sex. So feminists need to STFU about “sex objects” until the acknowledge “success objects”.

    “Some people objectify men as sex objects! Thus it logically follows that most women treat men as success objects.”

    Between this and the Robot Sex Act of 2010, I have to say that you are an intellectual titan, MSN.

  36. David Futrelle pities the fool.

  37. No wonder the divorce rates are so high these days……

    The divorce rate is almost the lowest since no fault divorce was legal. It’s actually been a steady drop since legalization.

    http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-12-10-divorce2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-n-cohen/family-meet-the-new-reces_b_149768.html&h=297&w=500&sz=73&tbnid=vaGcxBuyfaVGcM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=128&zoom=1&usg=__ce4J7hzD67WT24Nppw6_L7otK9U=&docid=fEIQV2q9pJajPM&sa=X&ei=9lgdUL6tJtDiyAHmuoGgBw&ved=0CGIQ9QEwAg&dur=685

    So unless you want to go back to the days before legal no fault divorce, I don’t see what you’re complaining about.

    Google: It’s a thing!

  38. Monsieur sans Nom

    I refuse to even consider the term “success object” until you demonstrate that you actually understand what “objectification” means. So far, you’ve demonstrated the contrary. Educate yourself first, then get back to us. Hint: Start with grammar.

    So I dropped the ‘y’ on ‘they in the last sentence. Sosumi!

    So who is the authority on defining objectification? For a women who is poor(or at the very least working class) to marry a man to get access to his money, or in some cases her objective is get citizenship(think mail-order brides) and then divorce him most certainly is objectification. She often has no love for him and values him for what he has, rather than who he is. To treat someone as if they’re a tool to be used and discarded without any concern for their feelings is objectification. If that definition isn’t good enough for you, IDK what is.

  39. @MSN

    Oh won’t someone please think of the poor men being victimized and objectified by mail order brides!

    I still don’t think “success object” is a thing. “Someone who picked me out online and who I will sleep with for a green card” is not really a “success object.” There’s a difference between an object and a john.

  40. Monsieur sans Nom

    A lot of women are attracted to status, not just money. Successful men are high status and they attract women to them. I used the golddigger as an example of women can and do objectify men. You want another example? I read an article that interviewed 5 women who admitted to cheating and each gave a reason why. One of them, named Jillian Anne explained why cheated as follows:

    I felt like it. The bigger question is what made my boyfriends think I wouldn’t cheat on them. I’m a very free spirited girl who has trouble keeping her hands to herself. But I try to remember that men have hearts inside their bodies!

    She treats men as sex objects, just like (male)”players” do. Sex and the City is making this kind of behavior increasingly popular. Women think that sleeping around with high status men and dumping them right afterwards so they can move on to another *stud* makes them ‘liberated’.

    What infuriates me is that if you are sexually attracted to someone who is famous and shows off their body via media, someone who you will probably never meet and definitely never get to know personally, then you are somehow “objectifying” them.

  41. A lot of women are attracted to status, not just money.

    Attraction is not objectification. Saying someone is “a fine piece of ass,” is objectification, because it is discussing someone as if they were an object. When it is common for people to say “That dude is a fien piece of arbitrarily selected social status indicators which would be transferrable to be upon having sex with him,” then we’ll talk.

    I never argued that men aren’t treated like sex objects by some women. What I argued was that people do not commonly objectify other peopl in terms of how much success they have.

    You keep arguing that because people’s bodies are objectified, then their intangible social attributes are also objectified. A does not follow B.

  42. @MSN

    As a side note, have you put any thought into wondering why the MRA sites made up the robot sex issue? How do you feel about a movement that has to invent its grievances?

  43. @ MSN:

    That example doesn’t speak “objectification” to me… It says “I need to try to remember that I might hurt a guy’s feelings when I sleep with other men.” I doubt you’d get the same “need to keep the other person’s feelings in mind more often” from male players… You’d be much more likely to hear “pussy is pussy,” which is in fact actual objectification.

  44. @Om Nom Nom

    A lot of women are attracted to status, not just money.

    That’s not objectification, as Ugh’s explained already, but what do you think men looking for “classy” women are attracted to there? Is that objectification (ANSWER BELOW) ? There’s a lot of them.

    ANSWER: ˙ooʇ buıɥʇ ǝɹoɥʍ/ɐuuopɐɯ ʎǝɯɐɥs-ʇnןs ɐ ɟo ʇıq ˙ɯsıɔɐɹ pǝןɐǝɔuoɔ-ʎןɹood ɥʇıʍ sǝɯıʇǝɯos puɐ ɯsıssɐןɔ ɥʇıʍ op oʇ ʇob ǝɹoɯ s,ʇı

  45. ANSWER: ˙ooʇ buıɥʇ ǝɹoɥʍ/ɐuuopɐɯ ʎǝɯɐɥs-ʇnןs ɐ ɟo ʇıq ˙ɯsıɔɐɹ pǝןɐǝɔuoɔ-ʎןɹood ɥʇıʍ sǝɯıʇǝɯos puɐ ɯsıssɐןɔ ɥʇıʍ op oʇ ʇob ǝɹoɯ s,ʇı

    Witchcraft!!

  46. Monsieur sans Nom

    That example doesn’t speak “objectification” to me… It says “I need to try to remember that I might hurt a guy’s feelings when I sleep with other men.” I doubt you’d get the same “need to keep the other person’s feelings in mind more often” from male players… You’d be much more likely to hear “pussy is pussy,” which is in fact actual objectification.

    She is using men for her sexual gratification(just like many men use women) and discarding them when she’s through. Her attitude is that she thinks it’s ok to act on her impulses and ultimately doesn’t care how her actions affect others. Her last sentence is NOT genuine concern! It is smug sarcasm. If she actually cared about her partners feelings, she’d exert self-control. But she is very direct about the fact the she doesn’t, and so she does what she does……….inch by inch, mile by mile, MAN BY MAN.

  47. Some men, and some women, are perfectly happy to have brief purely-sexual relationships. That’s not a problem if everyone’s going in willingly and not expecting anything the other person isn’t wanting to give.

  48. In fact, a lot of the MRM stuff advocates this. Just not for women, because something something something naturally wired something something sluts.

    They need to realise that if they want men to have lots of hetero one-night-stands, women will have to as well, right? (No, they don’t)

  49. So I know a lot of women, many of whom sleep with lots of guys, and none of them care about the success of the dudes they sleep with. They don’t even care a whole lot about the success of long term boyfriends, except when boyfriend is un/underemployed and she’s paying for everything. And then they just complain about how he’s not looking for work, they don’t break up with him.

    So basically I think the fact that you think SatC being some influence over women’s behavior and causing an epidemic of hypergamy is probably based on you getting all your information about women’s behavior from watching SatC.

    Either that or the hos in my area code don’t watch that shit.

  50. Sorry, Molly, but Sex and the City is actually the most accurate documentary about how all women everywhere behave all the time ever. Only misandrist propagandists disagree.

  51. Sex and the City? Really? Really?!

    I love how you take a quote from a a woman who doesn’t practice monogamy and insert your own insecurities about “status” in order to try and make a point about objectification.

    You really don’t know very much about romantic/sexual relationships. In fact, it’s kind of hilarious to watch you present your bullshit as some sort of powerful truth telling and expertise.

  52. Gee, and here I’ve just been wasting my time being attracted to actual men instead of made-up ideas of what a “man ought to be”. Thank goodness M. Sans Cervelles has set me straight!

    (Not really, though. I don’t take dating/relationship advice from idiots.)

    I’ve dated men who had more money than god and guys who are bass players in struggling bands, guys who work in garages and on farms, guys who work on our version of “wall street” and guys who don’t work at all. What they do or how much money they have has nothing to do with whether or not I want to spend time with or be intimate with them. It’s been about them. All that matters is what’s inside, the things they stand for, their ability to be open and honest and last, but not least, how they feel about me.

    That’s always been, in my experience, how well-adjusted people go about finding partners.

    Of course, no MRA would ever believe that, because deep down inside they know they’d never be able to date someone like me if those are the criteria required to spend time with me in an intimate way.

    (…and I’d like to point out that: intimacy =/= sex. No matter how much these idiots want to believe that those two words mean the same thing.)

  53. David Futrelle killed Kurt Cobain.

  54. I downloaded David Futrelle’s hip hop mixtape, and he’s the next Bob Dylan.

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