The Spearhead: “Educated” women are destined for spinsterhood and misery
No one will ever love her.
Oh, you ladies, why do you even bother getting educated – sorry, “educated?” Don’t you know that if you get too educated you might end up marrying some dude who is less educated than you, which is apparently contrary to the laws of nature? Or maybe you’ll end up not getting married at all? The horror.
On The Spearhead, guest poster Lyn87 explains how he dropped some “red pill” knowledge on a buddy of his during a recent outing:
One guy has teenage daughters that he’s planning to put through college. I could not resist inserting some red pill into the mix, so I mentioned that 60% of degrees were going to women, and that women prefer to marry up. Since “educated” women don’t often go for “uneducated” men, a lot of women of his daughter’s generation were on their way toward spinsterhood for lack of “suitable” mates.
So women with education are only “educated” in scare-quotes. But men who are “uneducated” also get the scare quotes, because presumably they are wise beyond their years of formal study.
Alas, Lyn87’s friend wasn’t convinced by this brilliant argument to reconsider his decision to put his daughters through college, which leads Lyn87 to consider the possibility that “that some malevolent group of “Jezebels” is dissolving blue pills into the supply of drinking water.” Lions and tigers and malevolent Jezebels, oh my!
Consider his daughters. I’m sure they are good kids who would make any parent proud. But they don’t live on an island – they live among their peers and within the confines of biological and demographic reality. Even if EVERY one of their male college classmates marries one of his female classmates, a third of those young women will not find a male age-peer who is even her “academic equal,” much less someone with a higher level of education. But not every male graduate will marry a female classmate. Some will marry down. Some will choose not marry at all. Then subtract out the guys who are “creepy,” gay, or otherwise unsuitable, and we are left with a generation of “educated” women who are barreling toward a demographic wall at high velocity.
So women marrying guys with less education, or deciding not to marry at all, is somehow the equivalent of careening into a brick wall at top speed?
Marry up? My buddy’s daughters will be lucky if they can marry “across.” Many women of that generation will face hard choices: supply and demand in the adult world doesn’t much care how “empowered” you were in college. The women of that generation may be able to marry down, but few will want to. They may not marry at all and become wards of the state when they bear bastard children. They may become involuntary childless spinsters. They may go for much older men, but many of them have been through the Family Court meat grinder and must devote much of their effort to paying their exes’ bills.
Or they could end up like a friend of mine, happily unmarried at the age of 40 and dating a dude in his twenties. Or like another friend of mine, also 40, in a happily open marriage with a man a few years her junior and with several regular partners on the side. Or in a committed lesbian relationship.
And why assume that any single woman older than, oh, 25 is “involuntarily childless?” Most of the women I hang out with don’t want kids. They really, really don’t.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Lyn87, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
We know the score here: the degrees these girls are getting cluster in the “Who are you trying to kid?” category. They are not truly superior to the guys of their generation, but that degree in “You Must Be Joking!” makes them think they are. Most emerge from college with a pile of debt, no marketable skills they didn’t already possess in high school, and a few laps around the carousel – older but no wiser, and blissfully unaware that half of their years of prime beauty and fertility are already in the rear-view mirror.
Ugh. This again? At the age of 22 or so, “half of their years of prime beauty and fertility” are gone? Really? Their biological clock starts ticking at the age of, what, 16?
So instead of going to college, girls should be getting hitched before they even graduate from high school, so as to maximize their prime years of beauty and fertility? Sorry to have to break this to you, Lyn87, but that’s a recipe for disaster — even by “traditionalist” standards. According to a 2001 study by the Centers for Disease Control, nearly half of those who marry before they’re 18 divorce within ten years; that’s twice the divorce rate of those who wait until they’re at least 25.
Lyn87, somehow I suspect your buddy with the teenage daughters is doing a better job of looking out for their best interests than you are.
Some, er, “highlights” from the comments.
Kendoka seconds Lyn87’s concerns:
I question the popular wisdom of fathers relinquishing custody and authority over their 18 year old daughters by putting them through an institution designed to indoctrinate and create entitled promiscuous feminist careerist harpies and not loving wives and mothers through marriage.
A Father’s work is not complete until he has guided his daughter directly into marriage with his authority transfered to her husband. “Careers” can wait. Family cannot.
DruidV shares his less-than-fond memories of life in the 1980s, and offers a note of optimism for the future (for dudes anyway):
Way back in prehistoric times, say around 1985, I used to find myself very depressed when I would take note of all the foolish and desperate males I knew, who were jumping through impossible hoops for fickle females that just would let the poor bastards continue to keep right on jumping through those hoops, apparently just for their own entertainment. These twats seemed to take an almost sociopathic delight in this ‘sport’. The males were simply trying to be accepted.
Pathetic, really.Nowadays, I look about and see that young males are sick, tired, disgusted and jaded with these soulless cunts. Make no mistake, the hoops are still there, firmly in place for the males to jump through, but they are seeing less and less traffic every day.
I for one can easily see the females of generation z growing old alone, but for their cats and dying that way too and from what I’ve seen, these bitches can forget about marrying up, or even across anymore. These asshole entitlement whores won’t even be marrying down, in the not too distant future.
YAY!!!
Keyster presents a similarly optimistic scenario for the future — if predicting the apocalypse counts as optimism, which it generally does in MRA circles:
We have a perfect storm brewing of women working, men not, and each one rejecting marriage. In case no one noticed the Feminists started the gender war, and they won. Present day we live with the spiraling consequences; societal decline. Upon the collapse women will be the victims, AGAIN. The survivors will be men with only their own self-interest in mind. The last remnants of white-knightery will struggle to protect and provide, but will be ill-equipped to handle the guilt of failing.
Days of Broken Arrows isn’t quite so dramatic. He merely predicts that the dad planning on sending his girls to college will end up regretting this decision:
[N]ow instead of his daughter someday marrying the guy she met at 18, he’d prefer [her] to be using every orifice when she’s a fucktoy for a line of Alpha males who’ll pump and dump her. And he means that he doesn’t want a son-in-law or grandchildren. Well, I guess that’s all well and good, so long as it’s not “the way it used to be.”
Huh. Do colleges even have classes any more, or is it just one long orgy? How do these Alpha males have any time to study?
Posted on July 30, 2012, in alpha asshole cock carousel, alpha males, antifeminism, armageddon, gloating, I'm totally being sarcastic, marriage strike, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, reactionary bullshit, the spearhead, your time will come. Bookmark the permalink. 468 Comments.
Oh please. I think most educated career women can also have husbands and families if that is what they choose. MRAs conveniently forget women who would rather share their lives with another woman, or who are single by choice. Oh, I forgot, those women don’t exist.
And I resent the implication that being a spinster is somehow worse than spending your days in soul crushing poverty, or having to work a low paying job that you hate until you drop dead.
you know what is creepy? Men just being sooo concerned for educated women! Why, they are just looking out for women when they say that they will become spinsters! It is not misogyny…it is “concern” for women’s well being
Marrying up and locking down a husband ASAP are crucial survival skills for a woman unable to earn money on her own. They’re not just things women traditionally did Because Woman.
Women who can pay the rent themselves can afford to date and marry men they actually like, and at a pace that allows the relationship to actually develop, and if the first relationship doesn’t work out they’re able to try again without worrying that their livelihood is at risk.
These are all good things for men and women, and make perfect sense if:
A) You think of women as making decisions for reasons, not Because Woman.
and
B) You realize that relationships can be good, bad, or meh, rather than “sex” or “not sex.”
Seriously, in the Spearheaders’ perfect world, every man would end up with a guaranteed wife… whom he’d have absolutely no chemistry and nothing in common with.
Nothing new about this. This goes back to the dawning of all recorded civilization . Are we sure we want to show the ladies what these cave drawings mean? That might make them less draggable.
If we show them the cave drawings, it might damage their wombs, and then they’d be in trouble, because all women are good for is teh babiebz.
First time commenting here. Love the site. Yadda yadda.
So obviously this whole THING is terrible, but Kendoka’s comment really stands out to me for a couple of reasons.
First, parental authority is not “transferred” from the father (and not the mother) to the husband (or wife – I guess everyone’s hetero in Kendoka’s world). It’s “transferred” from the parent to the CHILD. The whole entire point of raising a child is to make sure ze has the knowledge and skills necessary to function on hir own. That’s the entire ball of wax. If you’ve raised a kid so hopelessly useless at life that ze needs hir spouse to exercise parental authority, then you’ve FAILED as a parent. And your spouse has some issues too, clearly.
Second, what kind of father thinks his job is done once his kids are married? I have a few friends who are married, and the parents are still very much involved in their lives. As far as I understand it, you never stop being a father to your kids (unless they make it clear you’re not wanted). Marriage has nothing at all to do with that. What you do as a father may change, but the relevant parts of the relationship don’t.
And yeah… then there’s the rest of it. “Careerist harpies”. “College makes you a slut”. It’s pretty sickening.
Reality is rarely on their side.
Google “marriage rates by education” – college-educated women are MORE likely to marry than high-school educated women. And less likely to divorce. So if you want to be married by the ancient, withered and never-again-desirable age of 35, ladies, you should take up one of tho freebie quota places at the University of You Must Be Joking!
Or, you know, study something you’re interested in so’s you can pay for the cat food and scented fucking candles!
Heh heh, I have both a PhD *and* an Mrs, and I’m happily married, employed, and childless in my mid-30’s. And my husband – who “only” has a JD, so I guess I “married down” – seems happy too. Little did I know we’re ruining the world! ;)
one of my fairly conservative friends back home spent the last several years letting her fiance (now husband) float around trying a couple of careers before he finally settled on substitute teacher. meanwhile she’s worked a steady, if mindnumbing, corporate pr job that keeps the bills paid.
but i mean, he has a masters and she just has a bachelors, so at least the balance of nature hasnt been totally fucked with.
Hey, MRAs, listen…just because you can’t think of any way to attract a woman apart from being her only chance at a reasonable standard of living doesn’t mean all men are so pathetic.
My first thought was, “What about all the guys who go to college? Surely they want women they can marry “up,” or at least “across,” with?”
And then I remembered: this is MRAs we’re talking about. Not wanting a woman they have to consider their equal (or, God forbid, their better) is exactly what they are about.
So here’s a question no MRA will ever answer for me: I have a B.A. and a J.D. My fiance has a B.S. and an M.A. Am I marrying “up” (because I have a doctorate/professional degree and he “only” has a Master’s) or “across” (because we both spent four years in undergrad and three in grad school)?
Also, is he going to dump me the minute I finish my Ph.D., or will he accept a role trade in which I become primary breadwinner while he finishes his Ph.D.? What if we manage to finish at the same time? Or does none of this matter, because my ovaries have already dried up and blown away on the wind?
I love, love, love the part where they admit outright exactly what they think the ideal relationship should be.
The loving husband says I do.
The dad nods, hands him the key to the room where he’s been keeping his adult daughter locked up. “Be sure to discipline her regularly. She’s feisty.”
What, women, real people? Naw! They’re just like your horse or your dog, pets, beasts of burden! That’s what they’re good for!
…
I think I’m a little sick now. Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
I’m gonna go take a nap, and maybe the stupid will stop while I’m gone.
…and where the hell is Steele to insist that the movement is not about exploitation? So anybody saying stupid crap like that isn’t a member of his movement?
The impression these guys create is that all they know about college was learned from porn videos.
Woah wait, aren’t these the same idiots who are always whining about the evils of “hypergamy”? What the hell exactly do these bozos want?
Also, I think it was Claire Booth Luce who wrote what is probably the best comeback against all that MRA gloating about career women supposedly being unable to marry:
“The best protection a woman can have is a little money of her own.”
MrsBennet – They want a woman who’s totally dependent on them, yet never takes anything from them.
At least housepets aren’t begrudged their room and board.
But Cliff, it doesn’t matter if a man has nothing in common with his wife. It’s her JOB to make him feel important and understood– and if this chemistry does not occur naturally then she has to work at it. The rest of us, with our constant yammering about ‘building relationships’ and ‘compatibility’ are just not addressing this properly.
I picked this up early on reading about MRA and to me it’s always been one of the most disturbing undercurrents when they talk about domestic life: if all a woman wants/should want is to be married, then a ‘good wife’ is one who is the most professional about wifehood. A psychologist doesn’t have to like you to help you, neither does a lawyer, a cashier, or a wife.
So, according to these guys, the industrial engineer married to the truck driver, the elementary school teacher married to the contractor, and the banker married to the truck driver don’t exist? Even though these are people I actually know? I guess because the women are all over 40 they don’t count.
Also, the friends of mine who’ve had their first child in their mid or late 30’s don’t exist either. Nope, that never happens.
that’s it basically. except it’s ‘Movement’. the capital letter is important. y’know, to signal how detached from reality he is.
Still planning to sign my papers in a few months (The ceremony will sadly have to wait a lot more than that). Not that it counts when it’s between two women.
The social norm of women tending to ‘marry up’ has been eroding since Teh Golden 1950s! and will continue to erode. If women are marrying for love and compatibility and men are doing the same — i.e., if social status becomes more closely hitched to love-matches than status-seeking matches — women will care less and less about ‘marrying up,’ and men will care less and less about ‘marrying down.’
Hence Lyn87’s ‘argument’ (and yup, I’m definitely willing to scare quote that one), already out-of-touch, will only continue to be more so as time goes on. So I don’t think the daughters of his friends have anything to worry about. But it’s so magnanimous of him to be concerned, donchathink? I mean, I’m sure he’s not just angry that his friend refused to keep his daughters uninformed about their rights, scared of being independent, and primed to be bone-able by their father’s male friends (until they crest into unfuckability at age 26). Nah. He’s just concerned.
*talks about daughters like chattel*
*blames everyone but himself when custody hearing doesnt go his way*
*takes the red pill*
Podkayne – That’s an interesting way of looking at it. I just figure these guys can’t conceive of liking ANY woman as a person, so they don’t care who they marry so long as she’s hot and submissive. But actually what you’re saying makes a lot of sense – they think part of a wife’s submission should be offering “emotional service” to her husband.
…Wow, no wonder they’re so angry with women who disagree with them. That’s not just being difficult, that’s dereliction of duty.
Even the 1950’s were an anomaly. The idea of women marrying up and depending utterly and totally on their husbands was steadily eroding since the late 19th century, when women began to enter universities and work outside the home in significant numbers. Hell, it probably began eroding earlier than that, when legislatures in various countries began repealing coverture laws. The Fifties, with their quaint values, were anomalous and caused, I think, by the aftermath of World War II.
While I haven’t polled my female professors about their love lives (because, yanno, totally unprofessional to do that) I know that at least one of them has her degrees from CalTech and Stanford and is either married to or in an LTR with a man who has nothing beyond a high school diploma. They both seem perfectly happy with this arrangement.
These are just the moanings of pigs despirate to revive a dying patriarchy.
I have a law degree, and I’m married to a college drop-out.
Normally I let things go a bit longer before derailing with animal videos. BUT since David has been neglecting his duty to post pictures of his new kittens for us, I thought I would share the cutest 4 seconds I have seen in at least a week:
A friend of mine’s great grandmother was the first in her family to graduate from a university. She ended up marrying a man who could barely read. And they had six children. But you know, women only marry up, so it didn’t happen.
@cloudiah
Yes, David, where are teh kitties?
We want kitties! We want kitties!
I have a master’s in math, and I married a guy who went into the Navy instead of go to college. My relationship before that was with a guy getting his math PhD, hailed as a whizkid, and was heading towards ‘great things.’ He was a dick. I dumped him.
So much for marrying up.
I like how the still screen of that video has the wombat flying.
It’s the famous hover-wombat model.
Has any semblance of an explanation for the cause-and-effect relationship MRAs seem to attribute to ‘people stop getting married therefore apocalypse’ ever been given?
(I haven’t slept in longer than is generally considered healthy, so I apologize for my wonky structures.)
But Jessonian, men have the right to be dicks! Who are they going to marry if you have the power to choose?
Also, I remember my very sexist dad, who was normally proud that I was smart, say it was a shame that I was going to have such a hard time finding someone to marry when I grew up, since “women should marry men who are smarter than they are.” This was in the early ’70’s. Even he figured out that was bullshit before the end of the decade.
HOVER WOMBAT!
In case of non-hypergamous women, break glass, take red pill, and shut your ears.
Asoldlace – There’s often an undertone of “we’ll run out of white babies!” I suspect that’s the real “demographic brick wall”–not that the human race goes extinct, but that the “right” people aren’t breeding.
The MRA showing again that their issue is not with women being gold diggers, their issue is with women being *efficient* gold diggers. A proper woman should be buyable but not expensive, and it certainly cannot leave your household any more than your table would, or question your demands or needs any more than your sound system would.
Sorry if you’ve seen it a thousand times, but it never gets less relevant :)
I know these asshats from Spearhead, A Voice for Men and Reddit are fun to spotlight here, but why no quotes from http://ncfm.org/. I think they’re the longest running MRA group.
Asoldlace, I’m pretty sure there’s a good bit of racism behind the idea. As in: there may be plenty of babies being born in the world (in the US for that matter), but not enough white babies.Too few white babies means the end of civilization as we know it. And single moms aren’t acting like proper white people, so…
I see Cliff beat me to it!
women are stupid and bad at things. therefore, once women have taken over the planet, which they will somehow pull off despite being stupid and bad at things, everything breaks.
then the spearheaders use the knowledge they gained from years of complaining about women on the internet to somehow lead the way into a glorious new dawn where they totally get revenge on everyone who ever laughed at them.
Women tend to marry up in average (citation needed*) so women who are ‘up’ can’t marry? That’s stupid, it just mean (at ‘worst’) they’re more likely to marry ‘down’, not marry less.
Is it okay to get educated if you’re gay?
ncfm says fewer patently absurd things so it tends to be less ripe for mockery, but theyve been featured here before
and actually this hot mess looks pretty deserving
http://ncfm.org/2012/07/news/domestic-abuse-violence/what-is-domestic-violence-anything-your-heart-desires-honey-a-word-of-wisdom-to-an-american-male/
I’m not familiar with ncfm, but the thankfully now-deceased Bobstruth blog was around for a number of years and was the source of the most hateful,bigoted, racist, homophobic, fill-in-the-trigger site I ever found. I don’t know what shut it down, but it made the interwebz a better place.
@Sharculese Thanks for the link. I know some MRA sites are listed as hate groups by SLPC, but I didn’t see ncfm on it. Maybe an oversight.
@Sharculese
I really hate visiting these sites and giving them traffic. Then the bloggers use the visit count to say “Oh look 7,000 hits, I must be popular” when many of those hits are just people like myself who in no way support them.
@ragefromthebasement I don’t think visiting the Google cached version counts as a hit, so here’s a link.
These are just the moanings of pigs despirate to revive a dying patriarchy.
So…you are now saying that women don’t all want to marry rich guys? Good!
I’m surprised lyn87’s friend didn’t tell him to fuck off and mind his own business about his daughters’ plans for the future.
The first time I heard the phrase “transfer of authority” about a dad passing control of his daughter to his son in law was from the TV show Nineteen Kids and Counting. Josh’s father in law said the wedding was a transfer of authority over the bride, Anna. Hearing it makes me want to gag.
What I find interesting is that they are equating “marrying up” with education, when historically, post-secondary (even just secondary) education has been very restricted to a small portion of the upper classes.
Most people throughout history have married “across.” You tend to stick to your own social class. Most women would marry (be married off to) men who had a similar financial and social status to the one that their father’s had.
Of course most women have married up in accordance to earning potential but when you consider that during much of history women have either not been allowed to work or have had their wages held down artificially, that’s kind of a given. There was literally not an option for it to happen any other way.
My grandparents started their families in the 50’s. All four received only their high school education, none of them married up. In fact I can’t think of a single case where a woman married a man with more education than herself in my family, although quite a few in reverse, including myself. And that makes quite a lot of sense, even with the decimated manufacturing sector, men are far more likely to get a somewhat decent paying job without a post-secondary education.
My mom has a masters degree in special education, my dad is an auto mechanic. I guess that means my dad must secretly have a degree he’s never mentioned if women always marry up or across. Now my dad is incredibly awesome and in no other way would I ever imply my mom married down except in regards to education level.
yeah bionic, I’m pretty sure that ‘transfer of authority’ back in the day denoted a transfer of responsibility since women were not allowed to or could not have their own income or household. In the best families that was surely a benevolent acknowledgement of protection for someone that was now at the mercy of other-than-blood relatives. As with most traditions people don’t question them much, but that’s definitely a relic from yesteryear.
Chattel Slavery: A civil relationship in which one person has absolute power over the life, fortune, and liberty of another.
Still illegal in the US.
MRAs, still pissed about it being illegal.
also the “we’ll run out of white babies” thing? I have seen on you tube there is a cross over with MRM and the white babies are going extinct people.
*shiver*
oops and I should add that some are not opposed at all to marrying foreigners that are non white. Have to add that.
@indifferentsky
I think the implication is that white women are “forcing” men to marry foreigners with our horribleness. Therefore the lack of white babies = white women’s fault.
yes! You are right.
Another point in why MRAs dislike the idea of women’s being educated: The more education anyone has, the better able they are to earn their own living. Not just that they’re no longer the MRA ideal of 15 and hot, but that they learn to live on their own. A woman who pursues her educational goals has better opportunities for good employment than one who marries young and has children young. These oh-so-hot younger, and less educated, women would be more dependent, less able to fend for themselves, and therefore less able to leave an unhappy marriage. MRAs hate women having any ability to function with independence.
>I guess because the women are all over 40 they don’t count.
I think that yes, they did state the women over 30 are a waste of space, never mind all the precious air they’re consuming.
They did so repeatedly.
>Has any semblance of an explanation for the cause-and-effect relationship MRAs seem to attribute to ‘people stop getting married therefore apocalypse’ ever been given?
It’s the old tale of non-Anglo-Saxons outbreeding the Anglo-Saxons, leading straight to society collapsing.
@Freitag:
“These oh-so-hot younger, and less educated, women would be more dependent, less able to fend for themselves, and therefore less able to leave an unhappy marriage.”
Which brings us right back around to the “I don’t want a woman stealing my money or demanding that I ‘subsidize’ her food intake” argument.
Major MRA problem: refusal to see that you can’t have it both ways.
In unrelated news:
Today I noticed manboobz regular The Bewilderness posting approvingly (with a plug for manboobz no less) on a rabidly transphobic RedFem blog.
http://cherryblossomlife.com/2012/05/18/the-worlds-losers-out-themselves-for-radfem-2012/
(see sixth comment down)
Now, maybe The Bewilderness in her rush to agree with anyone trashing MRAs just didn’t notice that:
The loathsome cherryblossomlife not only regards 98% of men as “redundant to the species” and the remainder merely as sperm-donors (mmmm, eugenics and genocide!) but that LOTS of her blog is devoted to really horribly attacking trans women, (who cherryblossomlife regards as men: “various men’s groups (inlcuding M2Ts)” … “the f*cking MRAs, the tranz (and their handmaidens), the religionists, and the pimps who don’t want women to meet up”)
Here’s further transphobic bullshit from cherryblossom, including her bizzaro fantasy of men’s attraction to women:
http://cherryblossomlife.com/2012/07/29/why-transwomen-will-never-be-as-exciting-as-women/
Or, maybe The Bewilderness agrees with cherryblossomlife’s RadFem transphobia as well as her misandry??
So, which is it The Bewilderness?
And, how do the rest of the manboobzers feel about being associated in such a pally way with a transphobic, misandric RadFem??
MRAs want women with large dowries that they (the MRAs) can control and use to pay for their woman’s expenses without lightening their own bank accounts. At least, that’s the only explanation I can think of.
“misandrist”
nobody is associated with that person Joe.
Nice try, and regarding what she says….
Who cares?
Dude, I’m not even clicking on that shit. But seriously, I comment on this blog even though NWOSlave (racist, anti-Semitic, disturbingly sexually aware of children) also comments here. Does that make him my pal or imply I endorse his views? Nope.
Seriously, doing the tattle tale thing is childish and frankly a bit creepy stalker behavior. Grow up, and stop following The Bewilderness around.
(For the record, I am not comparing The Bewilderness to Owly, just saying that the actions and opinions of one commenter here do not reflect automatically on the other commenters, or on David, UNLESS WE SAY WE ENDORSE THEM.)