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The Thinking Housewife tries to tarnish the legacy of Sally Ride with a surreally homophobic eulogy

Sally Ride and her partner Tam O’Shaughnessy

Sally Ride, the first American woman in space, died last week, as most of you no doubt know.  On The Thinking Housewife, Laura Wood uses the occasion as an opportunity to bash lesbians, feminism, and Ride herself. Wood begins her most unusual eulogy by quoting Gloria Steinem, who once said of Ride:

“Millions of little girls are going to sit by their television sets and see they can be astronauts, heroes, explorers and scientists.”

Wood scoffs at the very notion, suggesting that

Steinem’s real point, in keeping with her intense dislike of women, was that women should want to be astronauts and there was something wrong with them if they didn’t.

So we’re off to a great start here. Wood then offers this patronizing assessment of Ride’s life – which nonetheless turns out to be the nicest thing she says about the legendary astronaut.

Ride, who had a warm, radiant smile and is said to have served ably in her two missions in space, died Monday at the age of 61.

After this bit of faint praise, Wood moves on to her main point: Ride was lesbian, and therefore a terrible person, so she’ll quickly be forgotten.

For all the fanfare that once surrounded it, Ride’s story will likely fade into history and her life ultimately inspire very few girls. This will be so not only because women do not excel at space science or the physical demands of space travel as men do but also because, as Ride’s obituary proved, she did not lead a full life. Ride was in a lesbian relationship with a childhood friend for 27 years.

Yep, apparently lesbians don’t live “full lives,” whatever that means. Are women only living “full lives” if they are filled up on at least a semi-regular basis with their husband’s penis?

Wood continues:

To her credit, Ride did not make her lesbianism public and was private about her personal life in general. Her sister and the woman with whom she had a relationship, Tam O’Shaughnessy, have released the information to the world and now Ride has the double distinction of being both the first woman and the first lesbian in space. O’Shaughnessy was Ride’s friend since the age of 12. Ride was briefly married to another astronaut, but they were divorced. So while Ride accomplished much in her career, thanks in part to the spirit of affirmative action, she seems to have never fully emerged from childhood.

Huh? Are lesbians inherently childish, or is Ride supposed to have been a perpetual “child” because she married her childhood friend?

Then Wood says one of the strangest things I’ve ever heard:

The only good reason for a normal woman to go through the grueling rigors of becoming an astronaut is that NASA is a great place to meet men. 

Sorry, but I’ve got to pull out the Don Draper gif again: What?

 

Wood elaborates:

Ride’s life, however, does not even offer that slim hope to little girls, that wonderful compensation for dreary days in a control cabin. Ride flew into space but never experienced other thrills that are as great or far greater. She never gave a man such necessary and life-sustaining love that he was able to do great things, such as fly into space.

So apparently the real, true purpose of becoming a female astronaut isn’t to fly into space, but to inspire the dude you’ve married to fly into space?

She never looked up at the stars with her own children and encouraged their wonder. She did not pass on her love of space to a son or daughter or grandchild.

I guess inspiring girls around the world doesn’t count? (And I can only imagine that the thought of Ride now inspiring gay children strikes Wood with dread.)

Though she performed capably in her public position as a Role Model of the Century, Sally Ride’s example will likely be the exact opposite of what NASA and Gloria Steinem predicted. She will serve as a reminder of at least some of the very good reasons why women don’t want to be astronauts.

Because becoming an astronaut might make them lesbian?

The vast majority of women would sooner love an astronaut than be one. And given that most men are destined to perform inglorious jobs for most of their lives, women will come to see that the dream of conquering space rightly belongs to men.

A lot of men do crap jobs, so therefore only men should be astronauts? I can’t even pretend to understand the logic here.

Here’s Ride’s web site, and her official obituary.

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Posted on July 29, 2012, in antifeminism, antifeminst women, crackpottery, homophobia, misogyny, patriarchy, reactionary bullshit, whaaaaa?. Bookmark the permalink. 245 Comments.

  1. Yawn. These women who tell me I’ll never fulfill my potential as a woman and have a happy, full and satisfying life because, whilst fertile, I’m physically incapable of going through pregnancy without my insides slowly twisting and tearing apart, eventually making me die a horribly painful and bloody death, are *so* tiresome.

    Same with the women who tell me I shouldn’t have abortion if I happened to be raped and get pregnant. Or, gods forbid, just get pregnant regardless of the cause.

  2. It’s been a long time, but wasn’t there a measurable period of seconds that the Earth/team/scientists could not account for — at the end, one is complaining that the Jodie Foster character thinks she was ‘gone for a long time when it was only “small number of seconds,” but then somebody (a woman? a wife? very long time) says something about but where was the ship for those X seconds.

    My recollection is that someone – I think the Angela Bassett character – says that the tape impossibly recorded a long period of static, something like six hours, during the few seconds that the pod was falling. It’s a stupidly unnecessary scene that completely ruins the did-it-really-happen mystery – shame, because I like that movie, cheesy as it is.

  3. I totally did two sessions of space camp. And the first year I did get a scholarship from the AAUW. Which isn’t quite so affirmative-actiony because I still had to apply and get accepted and pass a physical and all that jazz. But being a girl did mean I got some money.

    Anyway, I was 12 so I wasn’t interested in boys. And I had no idea who Sally Ride was either, although I had probably heard her name. I just kinda wanted to be an astronaut. And lemme tell ya, being spun around at 4Gs was no problemo even for me, and I’m Miss Major Motion Sickness. (I can’t read in cars.) I was the pilot on one of the missions, which was AWESOME.

    Btw, they also have a program for adults, which was implemented some time after I attended. Seems the program has changed a fair bit in general. Hopefully the moldy bread at the dining hall has also changed.

    http://www.cosmospherecamps.org/camps.php?id=16

  4. Okay … my kitty is chasing her tail in the middle of the floor, and then she’ll sit down and yowl, or at least give voice.

    Should I give her money, or what?

  5. Criminy! Those are some very very sour grapes.

    Ride Sally Ride!

  6. Argenti Aertheri

    Is NWO arguing that women don’t tend to be shorter than men?

    NWO, I know you really hate statistics, and all aspects thereof, but the concept of “on average” is something grade school children can understand. You might want to pay particular attention to this part of what pillowinhell said — “Height, not strength or gender…”

  7. Tulgey Logger

    I think “reading” is a bit much to expect of Owly, sadly.

  8. Falconer, for female kitties, tuna is money.

  9. Owly’s unique use of “ladette” remains hilarious to this Brit.

    Yeah, he was probably reading a Daily Mail article and latched onto it without understanding anything, as usual.

  10. Trufact: I keep reading “Ladette” as “Layette” and getting confused.

    Not that being confused is a new response to NWO!

  11. I like how NWO complains that our evidence is “pixels on a screen.” What else are we going to send him via the Internet?

    (and how does he think his words are displayed to us?)

  12. Sally Ride? I’ve got nothing against the lady or her sexual preferences. Though the bit about her being an astronaut I take issue with – and this is not her fault. The simple truth is that she would not have become an astronaut were it not for affirmative action, that state-sponsored sexism directed against men that disregards merit to promote solely on the basis of sex. Therefore references to her being an astronaut don’t count and should be whited out. And inspiring girls around the world to leach off of the freebies provided by affirmative action is all well and good, but again, this is marketing spin, and is not her fault. She’s done nothing wrong. May she rest in peace, and may God bless her soul.

  13. And how is pixels on a screen different than ink on a page?

  14. theLaplaceDemon

    So, I haven’t read all the way through the comments yet, but in regards to this:

    “The vast majority of women would sooner love an astronaut than be one.”

    I just wanted to say that yeah, and most men would rather marry an astronaut than be one too. Coolness of space aside, the vast majority of both men and women do not pursue that particular career path.

  15. I’m on my way to bed… I’m glad I didn’t see this post, and spent the evening with something inspiring (“Please don’t eat the pictures” and, “The Frog Prince” while I made tarragon and black pepper hot chocolate).

    But … Words fail me. This is utterly fucked in the head. Hateful, and spiteful, and woman loathing and man hating and bathetic.

    Unfuck her, very much. Forever. May the words of her mouth, and the meditations of her mind fade to obscurity, may she (as we all hope we shall not) get her just deserts, and be treated according to her merits, judged as she judges and treated as her charity has been extended.

  16. Wood’s just having a jealous little hissy fit.

    I really, really wanted to be an astronaut since I was about eight years old. My father was a chemist and he did a lot of the analysis on the rock and dust samples that were brought back from the moon. I cannot describe the excitement of holding a moon rock in my hand and thinking about where it came from, or tipping up that little vial of dust and watching it all cling to the top on the upturned container and knowing that it came from another planet!

    Those samples delighted my dad to the extent that I wanted to grow up and be an astronaut so I could bring him back some more!

  17. Wow, chuckee, well done on the passive aggressive smallness. And what of all the men who became astronauts when women weren’t even allowed to apply? Shall we white out their names as well?

  18. Long time reader, first time commenter. Why? Because this passage:

    “This will be so not only because women do not excel at space science or the physical demands of space travel as men do…”

    literally made me seethe with anger. As a space scientist who is surrounded by incredibly intelligent and talented women, I can’t make any sense of this statement.

  19. Query, who has wasted their life more-a cis hetero woman without kids or a queer woman with kids? After all, black lesbians couples have children more often than white hetero couples, for example. Low income lesbians and lesbians of color actually have children on a fairly regular basis, as do bi women. So, has a lesbian with kids wasted more of her life by not having a man to worship and be a servant to than a hetero woman without kids has wasted by never having babies regardless of her lack of desire to have them?

  20. Tulgey Logger

    LALALA I CAN’T READ YOU YOU’RE ALL PIXELS

  21. Bored (I’m housesitting a grandkitten) so I read the housewife’s blog. This quote I believe sums up her in a nutshell. I always mess up html so this is it.

    I get from that that the thinking housewife is actually from the white supremacist ilk. I’m feeling a little sad for her children now.

    I live about 6 months of the year in Nicaragua, not on the small wealthy coast but in a small city with a very close net group of ex-pats. I would never say there are not problem gringos but for the most part everyone is involved in some sort of project that works with the community. There is a huge emphasis on building schools, cooperative farms etc. Nicaragua is the second poorest country in the americas, just under Haiti.

    Nica’s work hard for on average under a thousand dollars a year (last figure was average 960 american). They cross the border into Costa Rica much like Mexicans do in the states to work for pennies. Tica’s (Costa Rican’s) have very much the same prejudice that Americans have for Mexicans . They blame their high crime rate on the Nica’s , though Nicaragua has the lowest crime rate in central america.

    I also deal with poverty and working to help those in need in Canada. I find this much more depressing. I could go on for pages but simply the happiness rating between the two is not even comparable.

    The average Nica lives in a dirt floored shack and eats rice and beans and is lucky to have gone to school to grade four. They also have the closest family ties I’ve ever witnessed and perhaps because of this they are just happy people. They are also engaging and intelligent, sorry but Nica’s are probably the wittiest people I’ve ever met when you get to know them.

    I’m not sure what this is except for a big FU to a non-thinking housewife. Being white does not make you superior, in fact your sense of entitlement makes you inferior by far in my opinion. I assume you’ll be reading this.

    Trade places for a month. You go live in a one room home with a dirt floor (which btw Nica’s on average sweep religiously daily, I doubt your home is as clean with the amount you post a day) with a metal roof and it’s 35 above with all your children. Do that on three dollars a day.

    Come back to me in a month with a smile on your face and tell me how superior you are.

  22. I’m an idiot…

    This is what the housewife said to set me off:

    Mr. Powell is missing my point, and Paul’s point too.

    Mrs. Ride was teaching children about the civil rights movement in church. It had religious meaning to her. As Paul pointed out, it seems to have been the family’s motivating ideal. That was my main point. Once liberal progress takes on this religious meaning, it grabs hold of the imagination and invents new sacred objects. First it was blacks, then women, then homosexuals.

    For many, the civil rights movement was about more than eradicating restrictions against blacks. It meant a wholesale revolution in the relations between the races and a complete overturning of the past. It meant the authority of white men was officially over and done with and that white men owed everyone over whom they had previously wielded authority – primarily blacks and women – reparations. The two movements are interconnected. Feminists frequently associated their cause to the civil rights movement, although this association often made no sense, and a ban on sex discrimination was included in the 1964 Civil Rights Act. This amendment was not simply the work of feminists but also of those trying to defeat the bill. Nevertheless, feminism fed off the demoralization of whites and the intoxicating belief that all natural distinctions were suspect.

  23. Is NWO arguing that women don’t tend to be shorter than men?

    No, he’s saying that women being shorter than men is ANTI-MALE OPPRESSION. We refuse to grow out of spite.

    I am tall, actually. But if I didn’t hate men I’d be taller. Like, seven feet tall.

    I love the photo of Sally Ride here: https://www.sallyridescience.com/

  24. @Chuckedee: It’s already been established that NASA used to not allow women into space at all. So all early male astronauts were hired because they qualified and BECAUSE OF THEIR GENDER. If being hired because of your gender disqualifies you as a “real astronaut”, there are tons of male astronauts that weren’t “real” either.

  25. @Astronomer

    Yeah I was seething when I read that, too. Mostly throughout thebucket of verbal vomit spilled over the internet, but especially there. And them I laughed like majority of young, smart and ambitious women and teen girls would reading it. That lady is so out of touch with reality.

    Somebody send her some scented fucking candles, perhaps lavender or chamomile would do. People say they are very relaxing. I believe that, although I’m unsure if you’re supposed to fuck the candles or if the candles fuck each other.

    On the topic of marrying/being an astronaut… I’d most definitely rather be an astronaut. Not only would it be incredibly cool and interesting (shame about my line of study having real use in space not really sooner than we begin experimenting with growing foodstuffs in outer space for real), and I’ve always dreamed of the day space travel is real. *But* whilst I’m used to and capable of maintaining a long-distance relationship (5 years/1800km), that would be a bit too long distance for a bit too long periods at time. I would be very unhappy if my partner got deployed on a manned flight or even a long-term training on ground. I’d marry an astronaut only if I was one myself or if I at least worked very close to them.

  26. Can we get over the idea that “affirmative action” means “you have to go hire a random unqualified woman”?

    It means you have* to hire the most qualified woman you can possibly find. Sally Ride had a Ph.D. in physics from Standford and served as capsule communicator and helped design equipment at NASA before she got on a space mission. This was not a “quick, grab a random woman!” situation.

    *Actually, in most situations affirmative action doesn’t mean that you have to hire a woman (or member of any other group) at all, only that if a woman and a man apply for the same job you give slight preference to the woman if she is just as well qualified.

  27. I am ever more convinced that The Thinking Housewife is a poe. Despite the stupid garbled rants that come out of the other MRA websites you quote, this one drips with a condescention-served-with-honey that I can’t believe is honest

  28. @Astronomer
    As a fellow space scientist, I was also pretty pissed off about that section.

    Seriously though, I’ve wanted to be an astronaut since I was about five, when I realized that “astronaut” was a much more attainable goal that “ballet-dancing hippo (like from Fantasia). And when NASA put out a call for astronaut candidates last year, you can bet I put in an application.

  29. yo chuckeedee, you okay? i mean, we already know your overriding goal in life is ‘women dont count’ but youre not usually this explicit about it

  30. Now that I’ve slept… what was she thinking?

    If Sally Ride was really such a non-entity, why increase her notoriety? If Women really don’t want the things she wanted, then who cares that she was (to quote Meller), “a freak of nature,”?

    But if women really aren’t deterministic beings, who truly live to be subordinate to some man, and find nothing more fulfilling than making his dreams possible (and having sex with him; on his schedule) then this is a threat, because those social constructs she is trying to see are imposed on all women are in real danger.

    Because they can only work if women either are the way she says they, or have no choice.

    Since the first is patently untrue, the lack of the other will destroy her image of the world.

    Thank God.

  31. Second, while Ride did indeed encourage a love of space in the young, she also never seriously resisted the wide use of her image for feminist purposes and she linked enthusiasm for science in women to egalitarian careerism. While women’s lives needn’t involve marriage and children, women who fall into this category should not participate in the de-glorification of these roles.

    Allow me to say, with no sense of irony; and a sincere sentiment, what a vile hypocrite.

    She doesn’t fall into the category of people who believe women are capable of being happy human beings doing whatever they want, yet she is actively campaigning to “de-glorify of these roles.”

    Which isn’t really something she can say, from the evidence provided, that Ride did. What’s her beef? That ride didn’t protest being held up as a role model for people; someone to point to and say, “If she could do it, you can do it!”.

    Boo-hoo.

    Wood is actively working at preventing women from thinking they can pursue their dreams.

    She is gleeful that someone didn’t manage to attain a dream (the smiley face at the end of “I am sorry you were unable to realize your dream.”, is just a bit of the gratuitously nasty).

    She is angry as all fuck. I can only hope it’s because her dream of women as slaves to housework and husband is dying the death it so richly deserves and the Nancy Pelosis, Michelle Bachmans’, Rally Rides, Christa MacAuliffe’s, Rusalyn Sussman Yallows, Admiral Hoppers, Elizabeth Warrens and Lieutenant Colonel Tammy Duckworths, of the world pain her every time she hears of one.

  32. MorkaisChosen

    I’d just like to present for discussion a quote from a female acquaintance of mine, rendered as best I can into pixel form.

    SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! :-D

  33. re sex in space: Newton’s laws mean it will need some sort of restraints. There is a woman trying to make a two-person body suit. She’s been renting time in the Vomit Comet, and testing prototypes (with her husband).

    I’ve heard rumors that the use of long velcro straps has made it possible.

    The two methods talked about were around the ankles and waist/ribs, and the use of the velcro parts of the walls, and long strips for one person to hang onto (as well as some on the lower legs) and a rigging on the other partner to make it possible to stick to the wall.

    Given the level of video recording, I find the former more likely than the latter, but those are the rumors I’ve heard.

  34. I was at work when the Challenger blew up. My family owns a bookstore; we’d had about a year, and I was sitting at the counter when the phone rang.

    It was my roommate, calling to tell me about it.

    I thought it was a bad joke. I was wrong. The bad joke was that we took so long to figure out what the cause was, and start launching again.

  35. Of the rocket scientists I know, personally, two are female, one is male.

    The man deals with fuels. The women with satellite, and launch vehicle design, and remote control of objects over long distances (one of them was on the design team for the Mars Rovers. She was one of the people who got to name rocks on Mars).

    Of the three, his job is the one with the least stress, and the fewer original problems.

    Must be the affirmative action. That, or people are different, one from the other, and are happier doing things they enjoy, and the women enjoy the higher stress jobs (one is at JPL, the other works for Hughes).

  36. NWO, how does saying that height is the biggest factor in g force tolerance, and that women are often smaller in height and mass amount to glorifying women above men?

    I know its not normal to hear about a womans phsyiology having some advantage mens bodies don’t have, but really.

    There are some smaller men in the world, small enough to share the same benefits in g force tolerance. What’s more, men who are big and burly aren’t discriminated against as astronauts (though I do think the airforce has maximum height restrictions?). NASA and the military are working on suits and training (pilots get taught how to resist the effects of g force) to increase g force tolerance. So just this once technology is being adapted to compensate for a slightly lower tolerance that men will have on average.

  37. David, I need me some kitty pictures. Where are the new babies?

  38. There’s so many problems with this, but one that no one pointed out is that Ride wasn’t the first woman in space! Valentina Tereshkova, you guys!!!!

  39. Ok, So I have a penis and would likely end up bringing it to the space party, what would happen if I tried wearing a space-mini?

  40. There’s so many problems with this, but one that no one pointed out is that Ride wasn’t the first woman in space! Valentina Tereshkova, you guys!!!!

    Huh, I could have sworn someone pointed that out already in this thread, but I can’t find it.

    My comments-fu is weak.

  41. Falconer: I don’t know about on this thread, but someone did point it out on the original I think.

  42. @Falconer, I was sure someone would have, but I searched and couldn’t find it. Sorry, I just get unreasonably upset at people whose default assumption is that ‘murica is first at everything.

  43. Leslie: Especially in the space race, where we were first at practically nothing. (But we got the big one, so there!)

  44. Crys wrote: “I am ever more convinced that The Thinking Housewife is a poe. Despite the stupid garbled rants that come out of the other MRA websites you quote, this one drips with a condescension-served-with-honey that I can’t believe is honest.”

    pecunium wrote: “She is gleeful that someone didn’t manage to attain a dream (the smiley face at the end of “I am sorry you were unable to realize your dream.”, is just a bit of the gratuitously nasty).
    She is angry as all fuck. “

    Crys, I can believe that the Thinking Housewife is real. I grew up in the southeastern US and, while I’m not saying all southern women are like this by any means, there are some who seem to enjoy giving out ‘condescension-served-with-honey’ jabs to others. I think what percunium wrote is the key to why they do this. They are angry as hell about certain things, but have been taught that it’s not feminine or lady-like to show actual anger, so they end up showing their anger or displeasure with those condescending but ‘nice’ comments. I think we see it more in the south, since it’s more traditional and conservative.

    An example: When I was in college, I pretty much lived in jeans and T-shirts. When I was visiting one of my aunts (from South Carolina), she told me, “I bet you’re really pretty when you wear normal clothes.” A compliment and insult in one sentence and how can you possibly complain since part of it was a compliment?

  45. @Wisteria: seconding that, but it’s not only in the South,that sort of passive-aggressive ladylike nicey-nice attack may be an art form there, and still may be more practiced today, but I grew up with that in Idaho.

    And there was a lot of it directed at younger women who did not confirm (I wore jeans, t-shirts, and waffle stompers all the way through college)!

    One memorable time when we were visiting my dorm mate’s grandparents, and went along to visit a friend of them, the woman spent a huge amount of time going on and on about gloves and dresses and ladylike and all that which is just so MUCH BETTER than the “young people today.”

    Left me with permanent allergy to the phrase “the young people today”!

  46. Oh, and going back to miniskirts in space, and Lt. Uhura, apparently the NBC suits wouldn’t let Rodenberry hire Nichols full-time, so he hired her as a “day worker,” but still managed to put her in practically every episode, even if all she had to say was a line about hailing frequencies.

    The rate for day workers was apparently higher than for some regulars.

    So Nichols was one of the highest-paid actors on Star Trek. I don’t know if she got paid as much as Shatner, Nimoy or Kelley, though.

    OH and Nichols literally encouraged women and persons of color to sign up for the space program, because NASA hired her to produce promotional videos and films.

  47. On behalf of my insanely gay girlfriend, I say to the allegedly thinking housewife “BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!!

    To her credit, Ride did not make her lesbianism public and was private about her personal life in general. Her sister and the woman with whom she had a relationship, Tam O’Shaughnessy, have released the information to the world … So while Ride accomplished much in her career, thanks in part to the spirit of affirmative action…

    Don’t you know contradicting you is my job, not yours?

    The only good reason for a normal woman to go through the grueling rigors of becoming an astronaut is that NASA is a great place to meet men.

    Finding a man <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SCIENCE!
    Not that I’m a scientist by trade, but I have a great respect for those who are.

    She never looked up at the stars with her own children and encouraged their wonder. She did not pass on her love of space to a son or daughter or grandchild.

    No, she just inspired thousands of schoolchildren. *Eyeroll*

    She will serve as a reminder of at least some of the very good reasons why women don’t want to be astronauts.

    Well, she’ll remind homophobic assholes that astronomy makes women gay, apparently.

    And given that most men are destined to perform inglorious jobs for most of their lives, women will come to see that the dream of conquering space rightly belongs to men.

    What the fuck? The conclusion doesn’t flow from the premise.

  48. sarcasticcupcakes

    I’ve got to hand it to the writer, that level of misogyny and homophobia is damned impressive.

  49. In all seriousness, where do these people get off saying this kind of stuff, you’ve got NWO saying his uneducated blather, Steele saying that everything is misandry, Ruby trying to be better at feminism but falling short in a few VERY critical viewpoints, Tom Martin saying that all women are whores and this makes child prostitution ok for some reason, and now The Thinking Housewife saying that all women are destined or want to be subservient housewives. I can sort of understand where the conservative viewpoint comes from, although I strongly disagree with it, but seriously, what is wrong with these people? I ask because I believe that no person can be this evil without having gone through something horrible, or having been brought up with atrocious parenting or something like it. People aren’t “just” evil, there’s almost always some kind of underlying reason why they became that way.

    (Also, still genuinely curious on the effects of a vacuum creating space mini in a case where a penis is present instead of a vag, weird: yes, Creepy: definitely, bored enough with my pathetically tedious rural life to ask the kinds of questions that rub people the wrong way for the sole reason being to see what people speculate to be the answer of: Priceless)

  50. And I accidentally said the w word, forgetting that tommy broke things when he was here last.

  51. Trying to figure out why this post today seems twice as offensive and maddening than the last three on-topics put together? Maybe because this seems less “silly” and more like something deeply ingrained throughout the US and something our culture seems to be fighting to no avail. Or some days it feels like that. I wonder if there are some days Ellen D. wakes up, reads something like this, and thinks. Wow, I could cure cancer and it would matter fuck all to these bigots, they would just wax wacky/serious over my lack of value.

    grrrrrrrrrr.

  52. I’m still laughing at the idea of using the space program as a way to meet a fella. Like, hey, I want to meet a man! I could create an online dating account, or head to a bar, or meet someone through my church… but I think instead I’ll get several advanced degrees and work incredibly hard to get into, and stay in, an extraordinarily challenging and competitive career path. I have no interest in the work, mind. Just dudes. I’m all about the dudes.

  53. @indifferentsky

    It could also be that the emotions culminated from the past three topics have kind of stuck around and attached themselves to this one.

  54. hmmmm aworld, I ‘ll have to think about that one. Maybe!

  55. The only good reason for a normal woman to go through the grueling rigors of becoming an astronaut is that NASA is a great place to meet men.

    Yeah, she’s all about women attending college/university solely to obtain their “MRS degree”.

  56. @aworldanonymous

    People aren’t “just” evil, there’s almost always some kind of underlying reason why they became that way.

    I think this question is best addressed by Val Kilmer, in Tombstone:
    “What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?”
    “A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.”
    “What does he need?”
    “Revenge.”
    “For what?”
    “Bein’ born.”

    In all seriousness, I don’t know if something bad has to happen to someone to make them act badly. I’ve met sweatshop workers, peasants, and sexual abuse survivors who were all wonderful, loving, giving, people. And then you have people like Mitt Romney, who have had everything in their lives handed to them and still talk about starting wars and cutting low income nutritional assistance.

    I kind of feel that it’s not so much what was done to them, as what they were told to expect. Even if you have a wonderful life by any objective standard, if you were told that the whole world is there to suit your needs you’ll never be satisfied.

  57. It’s kind of like how Varpole has started making up things that we said that he thinks are oppressive. It doesn’t matter how much privilege he has, how much money he makes, whether he’s in a relationship or not, he will always need more. And so he’s contextualized the entire world as being in one big Varpole-hurting conspiracy.

    The way he describes his girlfriend as “semi-attractive” is pretty telling too. He likes his girlfriend enough to stay with her, but he still can’t admit to finding her actually attractive because the world promised him better-looking women.

  58. Is the “Thinking Housewife” for real? Some of the posts (like the one about how feminism is making women bald) seem so over-the-top. Are we sure this isn’t irony?

  59. “I think this question is best addressed by Val Kilmer, in Tombstone:
    “What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?”
    “A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.”
    “What does he need?”
    “Revenge.”
    “For what?”
    “Bein’ born.”” -Ugh

    This is very interesting. There is an interview with a serial killer posted on you tube, and it’s one of those guys that seems like a “nice” “regular” guy until you hear of his crimes. To be more precise, he seems like an average criminal that would balk at a serial killer. Unlike a lot of Sks he was actually a career criminal, the type you would think would have some code of conduct, the kind that harass the pedos when they are incarcerated with him (read: His own code of honor, not mine, that would preclude him from doing the horrible things he did.)

    ANYWAY- the point is, in his interview he was saying he regrets his daughter was born into the world. He says this world is awful. I have never heard an SK talk like that. My perception after listening to many of them is that they describe acting on compulsions they themselves do not understand. I believe this guy understood the phenomenon much deeper, and that the dialogue you posted there is quite insightful. I’m sure I saw that movie years ago, but don’t remember it, I might want to see that again.

    Sorry for the derail. :)

  60. Completely OT; I apologize, but on AlterNet they’re discussing the serial rapist on Reddit from a couple of days ago.

    http://www.alternet.org/inside-mind-serial-rapist

  61. howardbann1ster

    @HD: um, yeah, those are pretty much almost verbatim things people I have love have said out loud in a serious way.

    If it’s meant as satire, then it’s not very good. Satire should be more scathing and should expose the ideas being shown, should show what underlies them. This? If it’s not real it’s a pretty convincing copy.

  62. Argenti Aertheri

    “Is NWO arguing that women don’t tend to be shorter than men?”

    No, he’s saying that women being shorter than men is ANTI-MALE OPPRESSION. We refuse to grow out of spite.

    I am tall, actually. But if I didn’t hate men I’d be taller. Like, seven feet tall.

    Yep, I refuse to be tall enough to reach the top shelf out of spite, that’s it, I’m sure! Idk about 7′ but 5’6″ might be a decent start.

    Shouldn’t he be ranting about how tall people are oppressed though? Isn’t like there aren’t short men (averages, NWO hates them, what, with them being a math type concept and all).

  63. Is this great woman had been straight, married (to a man) and with children, would it have been a bad example, since she would have been an example for other women and apparently space should be boys-only?

    What if she had been straight with children, but they hated space and stars and became accountant, pop singer or cook?
    What if she had adopted four children and given to all of them a desire to go to space or study stars?
    Would her life had been fulfilled then? Does the Housewife think than men who go in space and die without children are also worthless people?

  64. @Freitag

    That was a very interesting read, thank you for linking.

  65. Although I ordinarily try to avoid this reaction, the only thing that kept going through my mind as I read Thinking Housewife’s rant about Sally Ride was “Ur just jealous”. And in fact, whenever I happen to read one of TH’s screeds about how educated, brilliant, accomplished women supposedly live worthless lives, I get the distinct impression that TH isn’t merely patriarchal, or deluded, or even hateful, but actually jealous, big time. Godforbid anyone will think she isn’t the pinnacle of womanly achievement by virtue of limiting herself to reproduction and domestic services.

    And speaking of inglorious jobs — as someone who grew up in a fairly patriarchal environment, few things are more inglorious than constantly scrubbing those bathrooms befouled by people who don’t care where their piss flies because they are above such concerns; or dragging home half your weight in canned peas, on three crowded trains; and having this thankless, unpaid job with no breaks, weekends or vacations, while everyone pretends that you aren’t actually working. Meanwhile your husband, who supposedly heroically performs an “inglorious” job, plows through daily three-martini lunches and six-martini dinners, and never carries anything heavier than car keys, and puts his feet up when he’s at home (because HE is entitled to his rest, unlike you), then bitches to his buddies about how much you’ve aged (sometimes in your presence). Talk about “inglorious”. Between that and spinsterhood on a space station, I’ll take the latter without batting an eye.

  66. @Pam:

    Yeah, she’s all about women attending college/university solely to obtain their “MRS degree”.

    Thing is, that’s something a person might actually do. I mean, you could go to University and get a degree that interests you, even if you have no intention of using it to get a job, and you might meet a spouse in the process. Or you might do what my mom’s friend did and take a degree in home economics, and learn a lot of really valuable skills for homemaking — how to budget effectively, how to repair clothes yourself instead of paying someone else to do it, that sort of thing. But nobody is going to go through all of the trouble of getting into the space program unless they actually want to go to space.

  67. Monsieur sans Nom

    I’d love to hear what Laura Hood has(or had) to say about Valentina Tereshkova…..Now there’s a real space hero(ine)! Capitalism just doesn’t seem to be very good at keeping manned space flight a continuing enterprise now, does it?

  68. the twisted spinster: The, “dislike of women” trope is based on really strong gender essentialism.

    1: Women (and men) are hardwired to like/do certain things. They find fulfillment in them, and are incomplete as human beings without them.

    2: Some people deny this.

    3: Ergo they hate women (or men).

  69. Argenti Aertheri

    Are we doing logic? Because premise 1 is false, and an example of Spot That Fallacy!!

    Fallacy of division – assuming that something true of a thing must also be true of all or some of its parts

    (Please tell me I got division vs composition right this time, I mucked that up earlier)

    pecunium idk how you feel about playing devil’s advocate, please ignore me if it isn’t your cup of tea.

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