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Propaganda of the Shirt

Over on A Voice for Men, the regulars are trying to figure out the best way to defeat the feminist menace. One commenter, Raven01, has a ingenious suggestion: t-shirts with weird, crude sexual messages!

I’m sure that’ll do it, fellas. Good work!

Fellas who want to get the attention of the very women that Mr. Raven01 wants to repel might consider picking up a t-shirt on the Man Boobz Zazzle store. 1Also suitable for women and genderqueer folks of the feminist persuasion.

Just one quick question: What’s an “innie plumb?” I can only assume this is some sort of reference to a

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Posted on July 22, 2012, in a voice for men, alpha males, antifeminism, cock blockade, creepy, I'm totally being sarcastic, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, penises, sex. Bookmark the permalink. 105 Comments.

  1. So they apparently want attractive men (“that a woman would bed”) to wear these T-shirts, but they’re marketing them to MRAs…

  2. They seem to neglect the idea that these beddable men might suddenly become unbeddable by virtue of wearing those shirts…

  3. It’s cool, I’d rather you jack off too.

    Dudes really need to stop coming up with plans that would work great as long as they have a giant movement with tens of millions of supporters. There’s like a couple thousand of these guys. They need to work on tactics that don’t require market saturation.

    …They also need to get over the idea that all sex is one-night stands. This seems really weirdly pervasive in the manosphere. I’m not going to go “oh no, now I can’t get laid unless I renounce feminism,” no matter how many men wear the shirt, as long as my boyfriend isn’t wearing it.

  4. I fully endorse this; think of the time that would be otherwise wasted on conversation!

  5. What a bunch of dumbasses. They really have no idea how they look to the rest of the world.

  6. Simone Lovelace

    Every day the Maude Lebowski gif gets posted is a good day.

  7. I approve of this plan, only because I reasonably presume it will have the exact opposite effect than the one they intend.

  8. Once again, the MRA movement demonstrates that it is the only movement that truly understands women’s psychology and desires.

    Or so they believe.

  9. the twisted spinster

    These guys seem really really angry that feminists won’t sleep with them. That’s the conclusion I come to. Because women who aren’t feminists are looking for a man to take care of them, and none of these MRA dudes seem to have a whole lot of time for or interest in taking care of anyone.

  10. Well, that’s one possible alternative to writing “kick me I’m a douchebag”. I like the clarity of their message.

  11. So what do these guys do if, while wearing the shirt, they run into a woman they find attractive and hit on her, only to have her point at the shirt and say “I’m sorry, but your shirt says you’d rather jack off”? This shirt seems antithetical to their desire to get laid on demand by ladies they find attractive, is what I’m saying.

  12. CassandraSays

    Innie plumb? Really? Why do all MRAs sound like children when they talk about sex?

    But yeah, like the crude t-shirts I’ve already seen some guys walking around in (It’s Not Going To Suck Itself was a particularly sad example, and got the guy wearing it a response of “with your personality it’s going to have to” from me), I thank anyone who wears something like this for performing a valuable public service by announcing their assholery to everyone in their immediate vicinity. Makes it nice and easy for women with any self-respect to avoid them.

  13. I’d rather jack off than fuck any man in one of those T-shirts.

    In fact, I suspect most women would feel the same way.

  14. thebionicmommy

    It’s Not Going To Suck Itself was a particularly sad example, and got the guy wearing it a response of “with your personality it’s going to have to” from me

    That reminds me of those Big Johnson t-shirts that used to be popular. The guys wearing them would also want to explain the joke to anyone who read them, as if anyone had any doubt about what it meant.

  15. oh yes god PLEASE

    WEAR SHIRTS SO I CAN CONVENIENTLY FIGURE OUT WHO YOU ARE AND NOT DATE YOU

  16. What do MRA’s have against masturbation? They always act like it’s some kind of punishment for women. Don’t they realize that shitty sex with a self-centered partner who only wants to use a woman’s body is like……100x less fun than masturbation, unless the woman actually gets off on being used like an object? I’m also going to echo everyone else’s statement- the same kind of assholes who wear shirts like this are also the same people who don’t listen to “no” when you do have sex with them. They’re the people who go “WHOOPS I STUCK IT IN YOUR BUTTHOLE” when you only consented to vaginal penetration, or who whine and moan and try and get out of wearing a condom even though you tell them that sex won’t be happening otherwise.

    Please, do wear those shirts. You might as well wear a sign that says, “do not fucking fuck me because I am probably going be shitty in bed up to and possibly including rape or coercive sex.”

  17. The worst t-shirt I ever saw was a shirt advertising a strip club (something like that) and it was graphic. I mean, there are places where it is okay to wear that, like a strip club or a bar if you want to scare all the women off, but this was in a museum geared toward children, and probably at an hour when we were swarming with summer camp kids (I worked there–this was about every hour in the summer).

  18. @thebionicmommy- Your comment reminds me of this video:

    Also, recently at my work, I was typing up parking permits for a commission and two names came up that made me think ‘Wow, these guys’ parents must have been assholes.’

    The first was Randy Johnson. If you don’t get it, then ask a person who is familiar with British slang.

    The second was Todd Sexgarden.

    SEX GARDEN IS A LAST NAME?! WTF.

  19. Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel

    There is a local business called Johnson Electric Supply. I really, really want to change the sign so it reads Electric Johnson Supply.

  20. @Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel-

    Well now you’re making me think of Duran Duran.

  21. Nanasha: Oh god, yeah. Or the kind of guys who assume they know exactly what you want and get all sulky when you say “that hurts” or “can we please stop having sex now, my vagina is getting all dry” or “I really don’t like that.” They know what women like! Shut up and stop having preferences different form the hivemind!

  22. I’d rather die alone with 50 cats than spend 5 minutes in a room with an MRA, let alone sleeping with them.

    You don’t see me advertising it on a tshirt though :P

  23. oh please I have a t-shirt saying “If you’re a feminist don’t bother I have a real woman” :)

    For some reason I always bump into good women.

  24. You don’t see me advertising it on a tshirt though

    Now THAT’s a joke you’ll have to constantly explain

    Person: “MRA?”
    You: “Yeah, it stands for Men’s Rights Activist.”
    Person: “Oh. What rights are they advocating for? :S”
    You: “Uhm, the right for women they like to hop on their dicks, the right to be allowed to rape, you know, rights”
    Person: “Uhhhh huhhhh”

  25. @ozy- When I first started having sex with my husband (when we were first together and our relationship was all new and shiny), he used to get incredibly upset when he accidentally made me uncomfortable or hurt while doing sexual things (mostly lack of lubrication or other common new-sex-partner mistakes). In fact, his erection would wither immediately and he would get this horrible look on his face because it disturbed the hell out of him that he could hurt me even just a little bit. This wasn’t because he had a huge ego but because it was his first experience with sexual things and he was so adamantly opposed to ever being abusive or violent or hurty to other people (like his horrible dad was to his mom), that the mere thought of hurting his sex partner turned him right the fuck off.

    And obviously, he got better at recovering from it and saying, “ok, so this isn’t doing it for you, what would you like to do or where would you like to go from here?” but he’s still very respectful and really awesome about sex, which makes me feel REALLY safe around him, which makes sex MINDBLOWINGLY AWESOME with him because I can truly “let go” without worrying about that passive aggressive rapey shit that MRA types seem to be all into.

    This kind of came up recently again now that I’m pregnant. From time to time, I’d spot a little bit after sex (I know, TMI) but it would go away really quickly and apparently it’s because the cervix has a lot more blood going to it because of the pregnancy and all that, so it’s easy to rupture the capillaries in the cervical area during sex and cause mild spotting that stops almost immediately.

    But the idea that he could have been “hurting” me or the baby made him really uncomfortable, so he told me that he didn’t want to have PiV sex until we checked it out with the doctor and once I did, everything was fine again.

    Sure, we have our ups and downs because of being interrupted by our 3 year old or his depression or my weird pregnancy-induced bone and tendon looseness (which hurts like hell when I walk, ZOMG), but it’s not just about sex. It’s about that closeness and intimacy that ties us together and makes us stronger.

    I know, respect and communication. Whodathunk?

  26. thebionicmommy

    LOL at the bikini inspector video! Yeah, that’s what the Big Johnson shirts were like. And this guy would say “Get it? Liquor, as in lick her, up front? Poker, as in poke her in the back?” Um, yeah, dude, I get it. The innuendo wasn’t exactly subtle.

  27. Ozy and Nanasha – It’s one of the deepest secrets of Vaginamancy that men who stop when they hear “ow” actually have more sex, because

    (conspiratorial whisper)

    your partners will come back.

  28. Nanasha: That’s different than what I was talking about… I’ve had experiences with guys who would make such a fuss when I said that something didn’t feel good that after a certain point I just shut up and let them do what they wanted and hoped they managed to hit on something I found enjoyable.

    Actually your story sounds kind of sweet. :3

  29. If you could get 3 guys that a woman would bed to wear that shirt in her presence you will create a woman that loudly denounces feminism at every opportunity.

    Actually, what I think they’d create is a woman who snaps a photo of it with her cellphone, posts it to her Facebook account, EPICWTF.com, and forwards it to all her friends and then all of them laugh their asses off.

  30. That reminds me of those Big Johnson t-shirts that used to be popular. The guys wearing them would also want to explain the joke to anyone who read them, as if anyone had any doubt about what it meant.

    I was in high school when those were popular. On any given day at band camp, there’d be at least one Big Johnson shirt.

    I thought the humor was kind of young for people who, on average, were legal to drive.

    Didn’t piss me off half as much as the guy who used to wear Jesus t-shirts day in, day out, though.

  31. @Ozy- Yeah, I’ve had experiences with those guys too- and it always ended with me eventually getting pissed off enough to basically just drop their asses because I hate that kind of passive aggressive shit.

    I kinda meant the story to explain the only kind of “upset man” thing that I’m willing to deal with in regards to me expressing discomfort and pain during sex is the way that my husband sometimes does it- it’s coming from an honest place and he’s not just sulking so I’ll shut up and do what he says.

    And yeah, my husband is as sweet as they come, but most people didn’t think so on account of him being all huge and tall with a full head of curly black hair and serious quiet demeanor and wearing all black and enjoying heavy metal. He’s like a big ol’ bear, and if you were to see him with our daughter, it’s enough to make even the coldest heart melt. :)

  32. Nanasha: D’awwwwwww. There’s nothing better than big tough guys with small children. It makes my heart melt.

  33. Besides, why would a T-shirt or social pressure control what we would do in the privacy of the voting booth if it was something we really cared about?

  34. Not entirely OT, and apologies if everybody else in the world already read it (I’m new to cracked.com):

    http://www.cracked.com/article_19785_5-ways-modern-men-are-trained-to-hate-women.html

    Not lame. Not PhD material, but still interesting.

  35. If those t-shirts start showing up I swear I will buy a bunch of travel-sized hand lotions and give them out to the men wearing them, saying, “You’ll need this,” just for the lulz.

  36. That was good, Freitag! Thanks.

  37. @ scarlettpipistrelle I suspect MRA’s are unable to imagine what it would be like to *care* about anything besides getting laid. Therefore, they believe the rest of the world must be exactly like them.

  38. @speedlines: yes, they can’t get past their imaginary mental constructs of us. There’s no use doing anything but mocking them (as we do here), unless it’s calling the cops on them.

  39. I saw a shirt on the bus once… had an image of a woman pole-dancing, and the slogan, “support single mothers”.

    I figured he was making sure the women on that bus knew to avoid him.

  40. Are there shirts out there with humorous feminist slogans, I need to update my wardrobe like nobody’s business.

  41. @aworldanonymous

    I’ve seen “What Would Valerie Solanas Do?” over a pair of scissors, but that’s pretty on the nose too…

  42. @aworldanonymous – My mom got her masters degree when I was in middle school, and she joined the campus chapter of NOW, and I bought so much stuff from their catalog. I still have my Thelma and Louise Finishing School Graduate t-shirt, but it is sadly worn and faded. Their on-line store is down now, so I don’t know what kinds of stuff they sell these days.

  43. @aworldanonymous, Why, look no further for your femi-wardrobe needs… :-)

    Seriously, we should design some more. And by “we,” I mean manboobzers who have some talent for this sort of thing.

  44. “…no amount of male domination will ever be enough, why no level of control or privilege or female submission will ever satisfy us. We can put you under a burqa, we can force you out of the workplace — it won’t matter. You’re still all we think about, and that gives you power over us. And we resent you for it”

    Uh… ouch. That’s not fucking fair at all

  45. I completely endorse these shirts. They should be mandatory. Every MRA should have to wear them at all times to prove his bona fides. It would make life so much easier.

  46. See this tactic would be great: It would be marvelous to be able to see who is an MRA right away. From their point of view this wouldn’t really work though: I’m bisexual.

  47. Oh wow, I didn’t even know about those shirts! I love the one with the cupcake!

    I

  48. The cupcake was drawn by noted cartoonist Shaenon K. Garrity!

    Also known as Shaenon in the comments here.

    Everyone should buy Man Boobz tshirts and other swag!

  49. I suspect MRA’s are unable to imagine what it would be like to *care* about anything besides getting laid.

    It sort of bothers me that the only negative consequence anyone is talking about for these shirts is not getting laid.

    Not that I think there should be other consequences! Just that I can’t imagine a woman going out in a viciously anti-male shirt and not worrying about harassment and physical safety.

  50. Darn, I was hoping the image link would work. At any rate, Snoopy the exotic shorthair is the new internet cat sensation.

  51. Sure guys, wear those crude tee shirts. Let’s see how far they get the MRM. LOL!

  52. Sure guys, wear those crude tee shirts. Let’s see how far they get the MRM. LOL!

    That’s not so much a comment as a précis of what David originally said, only with all the interesting bits stripped out.

  53. LET ME LOVE YOU, WILFORD BRIMLEY KITTY!!

  54. GIANT wilford brimley kitty. Good lord!

  55. ShadetheDruid

    Cannot.. process.. the cute.. Error.. o.o

  56. Argenti Aertheri

    Snoopy is causing an xkcd moment.

    Shade — do you have a reset button? Do you need it pressed?

  57. Is that kitty a Scottish Fold? Because if so I have a long and boring lecture on the ethics of kitty-breeding >:( Scottish Fold kitties are not healthy kitties.

  58. I don’t think a reset button would do any good right now. The weather has decided to go from “nice” to “super hot” randomly, so i’d be shutting down regardless of kittehs. :P

  59. Is that kitty a Scottish Fold? Because if so I have a long and boring lecture on the ethics of kitty-breeding >:( Scottish Fold kitties are not healthy kitties.

    He’s an exotic shorthair, which I guess is bred for people who do not want the hassle of longhair kitties. Although I read that they still require a lot of work to deal with eye issues that occur due to their flat faces (very weepy eyes), and they still need to be brushed or they will get all matted.

  60. @TheNatFantastic: I’m not that much of an expert on cats, but don’t Scottish Folds have folded ears? Snoopy has erect ears.

  61. There’s an interesting comment in that thread from one Dean Esmay, that begins:

    “I know I’ll get grief for saying this, but I’ll say it anyway: I think it would be in the best interests of the MRAs to stop bitching about feminism and concentrate on men’s issues period. While it’s entirely arguable that feminism is a contributor to the problem, it is also quite arguable that conservative traditionalists are a problem. That means there’s more than one problem.”

    For that he gets 16 downvotes, and the ensuing conversation is exactly what you’d expect.

  62. If these guys would stop conflating women with feminists they’d realize that feminists only make up a quarter of the population of women at most.

    I love how on the one hand feminists are pretty much every woman and girl on the planet, yet at the same time it will only take three hot men to overhrow feminist influence.

    One of those guys had better be named Adonis then…

  63. thebionicmommy

    I love how on the one hand feminists are pretty much every woman and girl on the planet, yet at the same time it will only take three hot men to overhrow feminist influence.

    In a hypothetical, if I were a single woman looking for a one night stand, three sexy men with anti feminist T-shirts would not convince me to stop being a feminist. I don’t care if they were Patrick Dempsey, Will Smith, or any of those guys from the Avengers. I would still think women are people and deserve equal rights. I would, however, be disappointed to see such hot guys being assholes.

  64. In a hypothetical, if I were a single woman looking for a one night stand, three sexy men with anti feminist T-shirts would not convince me to stop being a feminist. I don’t care if they were Patrick Dempsey, Will Smith, or any of those guys from the Avengers. I would still think women are people and deserve equal rights. I would, however, be disappointed to see such hot guys being assholes.

    Same. And people with ugly attitudes start looking uglier to me no matter how “traditionally attractive” they may appear on the outside. But I am in favor of shirts like these; easier to spot the people I should avoid.

  65. @Falconer Yeah, but some are more pronounced than others (and some genetic Scottish Folds don’t have the folds at all), and his face looked like he could be.

    @Blitzgal Thanks for the info.

    I get upset when I see new ‘designer’ animals being bred because they’re usually bred from really small gene pools and end up with all sorts of horrible health problems that can lead them to be in severe pain (f’rinstance Scottish Folds have all sorts of issues with their back joints). There are so many animals in shelters and being killed because no one wants them too, we don’t need to force-breed new ones.

    This makes me sad :(

  66. Um. That cracked artiucle has some good points, and probably describes MRA thinking to a tee….but no. Just no.

    Men create and in vent and build for a variety of reasons, not just to get laid. To posit such a theory is rather dehumanizing. I’m sure men do think about sex a lot, but men have aspirations beyond just getting laid. And for many men, following that passion was more improtant than the next fuck. Think about it, if the world worked this way, men would not continue striving in their chosen fields, because after a handful of sucesses, they’d have access to as many beautiful women as they like. Also totally erases those who never have to strive, because their family did it for them and handed it down, or they encountered what was for them, at least, fortunate circumstances.

    That article starts out with feminist critique at the core, and ends up with sexist crap as the finish.

    I’ve encountered a couple of guys with “Got MILF” shirts. I’m sorry, but any kind of denigrating shirt is not cool. My daughter once wanted a t shirt that read” boys suck, throw stones at them”. Again, not cool.

  67. Blitzgal, I’m glad to hear that I’m not the only person that finds asshole behavior decreases the level of attractiveness of the asshole!

    For a while there, I thought I was warped!

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