New blog catalogs Men’s Rights awfulness!
Yep, that’s right, the “clopping” sound of high heels are a form of “street harassment.” I found the screenshot above on a promising new blog you can find at MensRightsActivism.com. Yep, that’s right. Evidently it never occurred to anyone in the Men’s Rights movement to lock down that domain name.
Oh, this little Reddit screenshot is good too:
How exactly does saying “consent is sexy” mean that male consent is taken for granted? How is it that 59 people thought that comment deserved an upvote?
I can’t answer either question, but there’s lots more hilarious and appalling stuff where that came from, mostly from the Men’s Rights subreddit. It’s going in the “antidotes to boobery” blog roll.
Posted on July 20, 2012, in announcements, anti-MRA information, awesome, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 622 Comments.
grampmk — “Well Argenti in the 60′s there was no internet, there were no feminists.” — can I share that in other public-like places? (My facebook wall is only readable by my friends, so it isn’t really public public, but it isn’t the privacy of email either)
Everyone — thoughts on the ethics of sharing a public comment on FB? (And speaking of FB, anyone who remembers that tiny kitten my cousin found, damned do they grow fast)
just because you werent aware of feminism doesnt mean it didnt exist, champ.
Public comments on public blog are fair game, I think.
Oh, he means no feminists before the early sixties. I get it now. That certainly explains the suffrage movement, Seneca Falls, and Mary Wollstonecraft (and my mother). Except for all the ways it doesn’t…
To put this in a slightly more polite way – Gramps, part of your issue seems to be not understanding that things still exist/existed even if you are/were not personally aware of them. Which is why you make statements like “Well Argenti in the 60′s there was no internet, there were no feminists” and people laugh at you, because there is documented evidence of feminists going back a whole lot further than the early 60s.
Cute kitten Argenti. You can copy and paste anything you find on the net. But when I said 60’s I was referring to 60 -64 which was quite different than the late 60’s
“but it is at least a very yummy layer cake of wrongness.”
Yes, the wrongness is making up for my lack of birthday cake.
Sharculese — that was me asking about Title IX, but you’re right, I suppose the fight for Title IX probably was about a lot more than just sports.
Grampmk, just out of curiosity, when do you think the US civil rights movement started?
because there is documented evidence of feminists going back a whole lot further than the early 60s.
Yes Cassandra you are correct. I should have stated more clearly that I and my classmates were unaware of these facts at the time.
Lol, of all the things to accuse me of lying about, he picks whether that’s my cousins cat or not (honestly, I’m not sure whether he’s keeping the kitty or not, but tiny kitty was a too-cold-to-shiver abandoned-road-side kitty a week ago, so I thought anyone who remembered me mentioned that might be pleased to see that kitty is doing well).
And that quote is going on FB then, because damn.
I agree and acknowledge that Sharculese
Yeah, Title IX also made it illegal for public schools to force pregnant students to drop out or attend alternative schools.
Argenti, I think his copy and paste remark was saying it’s okay to quote him.
Looks like that cat has already learnt the best way to trick humans, muahaha.
Grampmk, just out of curiosity, when do you think the US civil rights movement started?
Clouddiah if you are asking if I was aware of the Civil Rights Movement in high school, I was, but in my small town we were not up to date on many national issues. The communications today are many times better than in those days
cloudiah — ah ok, I was wondering why anyone would decide to question who owns a kitty.
We’re about to have another thread explode into 1,000+ comments here aren’t we?
grampmk : My father (who would be around the same age as you, maybe a few years older) grew up in a very, very tiny town in Michigan, and he knew about the civil rights movement when he was fairly young – he had this amazing little thing called a radio that allowed him to listen to what my grandmother called ‘race music’ and hear news from far away places!
grampmk, you are quite new to this community. I am certainly not one of the oldest or most regular of posters, but I have been flitting about on the fringes for a while, so I feel somewhat capable of offering this advice:
I’m noticing a pattern, where you say X, and people respond, with evidence, that X is factually incorrect, and then you backpedal and say well, what I meant was, my perception was X. It might help you very much if a) you make it very explicit in your writing what you are holding out as fact and what you are presenting as your own experiences, and b) what you are hoping to achieve out of your interactions on this site. What is the purpose of communicating that you and your peers were unaware of feminism prior to the late 60s? This isn’t a particularly surprising revelation, and it doesn’t seem logically connected to the prior conversation. Maybe it would help to outline your thoughts? Are you advancing a particular point of view? Are there specific things that you would like to convey? Because right now it’s sort of muddled.
And one thing I’ve learned from flitting about on the fringes for a while is that anyone who shows up who seems sympathetic to the MRA world-view is already on thin ice, and someone who seems sympathetic to the MRA world-view who can’t communicate clearly is just going to get shredded.
BTW that kitten is adorable, Argenti. I can’t help make this thread explode because I’m off to see Beasts of the Southern Wild. Have fun, all!
grampmk — Are you arguing that things only existed if you knew they did? I mean, maybe that’s what you actually thought at 16, but you haven’t been 16 in some time, so you must realize that was a mistake of youth right?
Yeah, this doesn’t just apply to “do feminists exist” but also to “do any girls want to play sports”.
ShadetheDruid: That pose makes me go all Admiral Ackbar: ‘It’s a TRAP!!!’ Because Crazypants does that, and she has this adorable spotted belly, but when you go in to pet, she grabs your hand and tries to kill it.
Why does it matter what you and your classmates were or were not aware of, gramps? That’s really not relevant to much of anything.
Like burgandy said, conversations here would go better for you if you’d try not to make broad sweeping statements when what you actually mean is “in my experience at the time, which I acknowledge was limited…”. And even better than that if you would drop the idea that if things that used to be true in your limited experience are no longer true that’s somehow an indication that something is wrong with society. Things change.
I really wish I could take that kitty, but idfk where I’m going to be living next month, so no, I cannot take in a cat. My cousin’s girlfriend found her, and her kids and his both love the kitty, so she’s staying. Definitely a cute little fuzzball.
cloudiah — enjoy the movie!
Kitty is adorable. Attempted “I bet that’s not really your cousin’s cat” insult was odd.
Thank you burgundy for your advice. And you’re correct. I can see I’m in over my head and there’s a feeding frenzy going on. I’m used to people I’m around busting my balls due to my advanced age. And for the record the only groups I belong to are AARP and the VFW. I have seen You Tube videos with the MRAs you speak of and from time to time they make a point but for the most part I think they’re just a bunch of crybabies. I am 100% against rape. I want to see convicted rapists sent to prison forever. But, I don’t want innocent people going to jail for any reason. False rape allegations, although rare, hurt not only the unjustly accused but the victims who actually were raped. I have no agenda. I go from blog to blog. I read awhile ago in AARP it’s good to associate with people of all age groups, not just my own age. Also doctors tell old people like me all the time to keep my mind working to avoid dementia. So that’s all I’m really doing is actually trying to learn about all kinds of things. It’s really that simple.
Again thank you for the advice
Yes kathleen , I had a transister radio and I only listened to rock and roll. I was not a very good student either. Your father seems like a much smarter man than I.
“I have seen You Tube videos with the MRAs you speak of and from time to time they make a point but for the most part I think they’re just a bunch of crybabies.”
I have yet to see an example of the former, but in terms of the latter you are entirely correct. You might want to keep that in mind when evaluating even those cases where you initially think they might have a point – they’re rather prone fond of exaggeration.
Yes Argenti lie the saying “Youth is wasted on the youth”
Dammit why can’t I edit today? Sorry for the confusion, all, sleep deprivation is messing with me. Case in point – “they’re rather prone fond of exaggeration.”
Oops.
Thank you Cassandra
I never said said things don’t change Cassandra. I was only trying to say that things were much different 50 years ago. And they were. And I never said I was the best informed then or now. My IQ is slightly below average on a good day with a wind at my back. D
“Also doctors tell old people like me all the time to keep my mind working to avoid dementia.”
Try a crossword puzzle, or sudoku (that isn’t sarcasm, I know the studies that lead them to say that, and logic puzzles are much better than making claims online that get you laughed at)
“I want to see convicted rapists sent to prison forever.”
This is just a guess here, but I don’t think that’d improve either the conviction rate, or the reporting rate. The vast majority of rapists are former or current intimate partners, which makes me think that increasing the punishment by that much would only make people even less inclined to report it. I might be wrong there, but one of the male victims I know didn’t report it because it was his recently-ex-girlfriend and he still loved her. I’m not usre how much that was a factor, versus, well, shit you aren’t helping — the whole “men can’t be raped” thing only prevents male victims from reporting it.
Oh and I don’t recommend calling MRAs crybabies to them, unless you want to be called either a white knight or a mangina. Of course, those insults are about as bad as “you big poopyhead!” but yeah, they’re meta crybabies (and all our regular MRAs hate me already, so whatever)
“they’re meta crybabies”
Did you mean mega? Although meta crybabies is an interesting concept too.
grampmk — are you ending posts with D because you’re trying to insert a smiley face? You want : D to make :D (without the space)
Cassandra — “Dammit why can’t I edit today?” — I’m blaming the mango juice and vodka myself, though I was thankfully not drunk enough to have a hang over this morning.
No, I meant meta, not that mega doesn’t apply. Calling them crybabies will only make them whine louder.
Case in point – the urinal post.
grampmk: He was brilliant. Two patents, spent a weekend in jail helping voter registration drives in… somewhere in the south, mentored about a zillion people in the finer points of bonsai, a hell of a life. Ended far, far too soon.
Yes Argenti I know about the crosswords, problem is they bore me. And if you don’t like something, you tend not to do it. I actually enjoy surfing the net. I have an opinion poll site and a sports site I go to a lot. Blogs like this one are only in the last 3 months or so and I’ve actually learned a lot. But I do have a serious question for you.
I might be wrong there, but one of the male victims I know didn’t report it because it was his recently-ex-girlfriend and he still loved her. I’m not usre how much that was a factor, versus, well, shit you aren’t helping — the whole “men can’t be raped” thing only prevents male victims from reporting it.
I completely believe what you said. I understand why feminists want the rape laws made better to get more convictions, but and don’t take this the wrong way, why do feminists bring up male rape so much and in particular female on male rape?
You sound very proud Kathleen and you should be. How old was he when he passed?
Thank you Argenti
“I completely believe what you said. I understand why feminists want the rape laws made better to get more convictions, but and don’t take this the wrong way, why do feminists bring up male rape so much and in particular female on male rape?”
Maybe it’s the context, but that is screaming “trick question”. In general, we don’t, we bring up things like how rape is usually acquaintance (not stranger) rape, how rape victims are blamed for their rape, etc. In the context of manboobz, remember those MRAs? Well they like to claim that men are raped more often than women and that feminists don’t care (or more hilariously, that feminists support the rape of boys). Thus we end up pointing out, with frequency that men can be raped too.
As for “in particular female on male rape” — because that shit doesn’t get enough air time, so to speak. It’s unspoken of in general, to the point that you said previously that you can’t wrap your head around it happening. This discussion has been focused on male victims because you were questioning whether they actually exist, and they do (I’ll point you to that CDC data if you haven’t looked at it yet).
grampmk, here is my answer to your question. I can’t pretend to speak for anyone else.
My belief, as a feminist, is that the way our culture handles gender is toxic to both men and women (and people outside the gender binary). If you google the phrase “patriarchy hurts men too” you will find more information on that. For example, the idea that men should be the ambitious, hard-working breadwinners, while women are automatically nurturing and should take care of children, is bad for both – it impacts women’s career options, and makes many women feel guilty about their life choices, but it also negatively affects men who are nurturing, and might want to care for children (e.g. child custody disputes).
So, rape. Rape is pretty complicated. I do not feel up to a Rape Culture 101 right now, although you can also google “rape culture,” or maybe someone here will talk about it. But the point is, I want life to be better for everyone, and feminism is one way of getting there. It’s not about women vs men, or putting men down to give women a step up. The cultural ideas we have about gender and sexuality cause a lot of harm, and it would be ridiculous to address that only in terms of male-on-female rape, without also talking about same-sex rape or female-on-male rape. After all, the cultural change that I’m striving for will address all of it.
Also, MRAs like to go on about female-on-male rape as a great tragedy that feminists are indifferent to (even though they don’t seem to show much compassion for male rape survivors or do much work to address the issue), so sometimes we have to shout a little louder about it to counter that lie.
Also we end up talking about men being raped by women because we have one regular MRA troll who believes that it’s impossible, because he thinks he would like it if a woman raped him (this is the same guy who thinks that pre-teen girls wear swimsuits to the beach in order to deliberately arouse him, so his perspective is, um, a bit off). This is of course rather upsetting to read for any man who actually has been raped or otherwise sexually assaulted by a woman, so we try to counteract his nastiness.
grampmk: Dad was 65.
@Grampmk:
First off, I’m nearly 57, and so only a few years younger than you (considering some of my classmates’ older brothers fought in VietNam). I remember the Sixties, though probably differently than you (I am a queer woman who never wanted to get married, never wanted to have children, and never wanted to depend on a man, esp. after my father dumped my mother for his graduate student). I have succeeded at all those.
The fifties and sixties fucking SUCKED for white women; they SUCKED even more for men and women of color (want to claim that black women were treated with respect back then? Or that the Civil Rights Movement didn’t exist?).
The Feminine Mystique was published in 1963.
The Second sex was published in 1949–in French of course, which probably doesn’t count.
Title IX is about a whole shitload of things other than sports. Just because testorone riddled numbnuts think that men’s sports are being ruined (contradicted by all the evidence out there), and no football teams are ever allowed to form without equal women on them (ditto), and so the context most people hear about TIX in is sports doesn’t mean that’s correct.
In fact, huge amounts of what people say and post on the internet is inaccurate (CHECK THE SOURCES)!
However, given how many girls and women leaped into sports participation once they had the chance, that sort of meant that girls and women when you and I were younger might have wanted it.
Plus, don’t you know about Babe Didrikson, and oh, The All American Girls Professional Baseball League.
Then there was that happy day when Billie Jean King licked the shirt off Bobbie Riggs, ahahahahah!
And I’m an English teacher, and don’t like sports, and mostly got hit in the face and my glasses broke when I tried, but I fucking know more about women and sports that you do, you manly man you!
OK, the internet has eaten my post twice! ARGH!
Grampmk: I am 57, so probably close to you in age.
My classmates’ older brothers fought in Vietnam.
I was there during the sixties, as much as you were–but the difference was, I didn’t want to get married (and didn’t), and didn’t have to have children (and didn’t), and got a lot of shit for that from both men and women because girls weren’t supposed to have a life outside marriage.
I faced them down, did what I wanted, and have nothing but a big fuck you for anybody who is nostalgic about those days as a better time.
It wasn’t better for white women.
It wasn’t better for men and women of color (are you a racism denial? Do you deny the Civil Rights Movement as you do the feminist movement)?
It wasn’t better for a lot of people: the only ones who think it was were those who had the most privilege, and could rely on that privilege resting on the backs of those who were denied equal access and rights. As far as I’m concerned, the only people who think it was TRULY better back then (as opposed to those who are just mistaking the fact that they were younger for a “better time”) are the racist, misogynistic, and homophobic dinosaurs who, I hope, are eventually going to die off along with their attitudes. I don’t even want the around as fossils.
I’m wondering if all the links I had in the two earlier posts caused problems, so I am not putting them back in, but you can google if you want. You won’t probably, but then probably wouldn’t have clicked on the links if you’re a troll (which I’m beginning to think you might well be).
Friedan’s THE FEMININE MYSTIQUE was published in 1963.
Simone de Beauvoir’s THE SECOND SEX was published in 1949.
Title IX is about MORE than sports.
However, all the girls and women doing sports since IX was passed implies that girls and women wanted to do sports back then, and by sports, I mean more than cheerleading.
If women didn’t want to do sports, how do you explain the accomplishments of women like Babe Didrikson, and the All American Girls Professional Baseball Team–all before the 1960s.
And realize this is a blog: you can answer comments and posts later–people will see them because a lot of our discussions go on for a day or two.
Oh, and a nifty historical note: today was the 164th anniversary of the Seneca Falls Convention for Women’s Rights, and the Declaration of Sentiments.
Yeah, Grampmk, feminism (though not always called that) was been around for over 150 years.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
Oh, crap, sorry for the double posting–I somehow thought it was lost, and apparently it was on new page.
CAN I BLAME MAH AGING BRAIN?
SRS, Grampmk, that shit gets old really fast — learning new things is good, interacting with people is good, but here’s a golden rule for learning how to communicate on blogs and in communities: LURK MOAR.
Lurk. Read. I think I read here for at least three months.
Maybe post a bit of an introduction the first time, rather than starting out trying to lay down the law.
Interact with people rather than lecture them.
And at least from my geezer perspective, STFU about the “oh I’m so old, don’t be mean to me, you young people who bust my balls.”
Also, don’t ASSUME you know anything about the people online (that they’re all young, that they’re all white, that they’re all women, whatever). Don’t even assume they’re all from the US, or in your timezone.
Ithiliana — the stupid line about Title IX being about sports was me, not grampmk, and I stand corrected (my only excuse is that I’m used to arguing with NWO about Title IX and Pittsburgh sports, but I should know by now that NWO is fractally wrong). I had said that it was fought for because girls wanted to do sports, but y’all are right, that was definitely only a part of it.
Feminism is fucking old though, 1792 old — and things that get called “protofeminism” go back to the 15th century.
As for whether he’s a troll or not, I get the repeat troll vibe, but I could be wrong on that (the writing style is similar to one of our regular trolls, but I don’t want to summon his whining, you can probably guess who I mean though)
@Argenti: Grampmk was going on and on about sports though–and yes, I’m well aware of the earliest protofeminists including Marjorie Kempe, Christine de Pizan, and Margaret Cavendish (will check to see what your link goes to).
I was just focusing on US feminism before dragging in the international realities of feminisms!
I was starting to get some resonance/vibes–but am tired and wrung out (104 today, argh, and not sleeping well).
In any case, it was fun to smack the ageism down!
*goes to click yoru link*
Grampmk is right though that the feminist and civil rights movement were not taught in many high school classes during the sixties (as a teacher in Texas, I can tell you they still ain’t taught in many!!).
But that doesn’t mean much if one is out of high school and has an interest in such things and would like to search for and read materials on the internet (like the Declaration I linked to above!).
If anybody thinks that they get all they need to know in high school, and never have to learn anything more, I’d love to know what planet they live on.
Ithiliana — my note about how old feminism is was as much at him as you, I guess I probably should’ve said that (I fail today).
“If anybody thinks that they get all they need to know in high school, and never have to learn anything more, I’d love to know what planet they live on.”
Gallifrey? I get the impression they’re students for a century…
And yuck on your weather, mine’s been proving that Pittsburgh’s as rainy as Seattle, it’s a pleasant change. My CPU is apparently pushing 170 though, fuck, I should figure out wtf its problem is, that’s just a bit too hot.
grampnk: I never said this “on what basis do you make the claim that it’s, “very few men” who are harassed ”
Yes you did, right here
. But I think what should be more worrisome to all men , especially young men as how easy it is to be falsely accused of rape. I think that is by far more likely to happen than a man being raped by a woman. I think this whole VAWA horseshit is very anti male.
This nonsense again. It’s no more common than for any other crime, and the effects of a truly false accusation are less than for most crimes; in terms of police action, and the odds of conviction.
But really, the idea that women are out there making false accusations; in a legally repercussive way is bullshit.
I did start to read New York sexual assault laws and different degrees and got a headache real fast. I’m no lawyer, but all 50 states have their own versions. But I think what you are arguing here is not the biggest thing a man has to worry about
We noticed that you aren’t a lawyer. You’re also not much of a thinker. If you want to argue that something ain’t rape, you need to make sure you know what rape is. Having spent years actually paying attention to the law; and reading it, and studying it (I’ve got linear feet of chapbooks and casebooks; I read them for pleasure), I can say your combined arrogance as to what you think the law is, and your ignorance as to what it actually is, is plain as day.
But then you marry that, “I’m not a lawyer” idiocy to declarations about what VAWA is/does and one has to laugh.
Wait… more attempts at gaslighting: You’re quoting a comment I never made seems to be about Snowy saying you said VAWA made “buyer’s remorse = rape.
Which is what you did when you said, By far the most important thing is how VAWA changed everything and now it is possible for a woman with “buyer’s remorse” to charge a man with rape.
Varpole: I certainly don’t think that practically, it’s really possible for a female to legally rape a man. That’s what you were saying, right, grampmk? This is a Movement issue.
It’s that english problem. Is grampnk up there with NWO on your list of cogent (from your friends at Merriam-Webster) thinkers?
Take a look at that definition, and tell me what’s persuasive, or well-reasoned about someone who boasts of not being able to read statutes about sexual assaults being your go-to guy for what constitutes rape.
grampnk: I apologise if my reactions seem over the top, at this point in the proceedings. I was away, and catching up.
I’m going to disagree with you about Kerry; he didn’t villify soldiers, he stated unpleasant facts. The same way I shared unpleasant facts when I said people I knew in Iraq committed war crimes. All armies, in all wars, have people who step out of bounds. The question isn’t about that, it’s about what the nation does when it learns. The shame doesn’t attach to all the soldiery, not unless all the soldiery denies that crimes happened.
I’m also going to give you some advice, based on what I saw: Indicate to whom you are speaking. Quote them, it makes it easier for people to know what your thoughts are.
Also, when someone quotes you, or (more importantly paraphrases you; check your own comments before telling them you never said any such thing.
That more than almost anything else, is going to get lots of people jumping on you, because it doesn’t matter that you did it out of carelessness. It’s going to look as if you are dishonest. If your memory is that fallible, you really need to check on it.
WAAAAAAAAH, THEY TWEAKIN’ MAH PRIVILEGE!
as a fellow white dude i just wanna say that it cant be emphasized enough how spoiled this shit makes you sound
Excuse me? I wasn’t aware that it was wrong to take offense to insults based on how you were born. I thought everyone deserved equal respect, opportunity, and extended decency. Oh right, this is the hypocritical feminist and mangina movement. Dangerous road you’re traveling, m’friend.
I’m sorry your feeling were hurt by the slur ‘dude’ and sacarsm
Excuse me? I think it’s less the words and more the tone and context. When “white dude” is used in the place of other insults, it’s an insult.
It’s too early in the morning for white whine.
varpole: WAAAAAAAAH, THEY TWEAKIN’ MAH PRIVILEGE!
as a fellow white dude i just wanna say that it cant be emphasized enough how spoiled this shit makes you sound
You are puling that white dudes are oppressed. That’s what’s being made fun of. Not being white.
That comment was a “white dude” saying that, as a “white dude” he wasnt offended, because it wasn’t, as you say, an insult basd on how one was born. It’s an accusation that you are clueless about what it means to be anything other than a white male. and the structural advantages which come with it.
Not that you, as a whiny-ass titty-baby are likely to get this, since you labor under the delusion that “feminists” hate white men.
Yes yes, but most of all that is just lip service. You really just hate white men- I see it all the time in the feminist blogosphere with the pejorative “white dude” and sarcastic references thereof.
It’s context, and; as seems to be your wont, you refuse to admit there is any. You want to believe that Men need advocates, to save them from the evils of a world where women are equal, and that makes you silly, when you aren’t choosing to be stupid.
and im sorry your sense of entitlement forces you to make up fairytales to be offended about.
go do your job or whatever.
Thank you pecunium for your good advice
Grampmk is right though that the feminist and civil rights movement were not taught in many high school classes during the sixties
Thank you Lthiliana
Privilege doesn’t make you a bad person. It makes you a lucky person. There’s nothing inherently bad about being lucky (like I am — relatively wealthy family, white, cis, loads of passing-for-straight privilege, physically abled, with a mental illness that is easily concealed) the good or bad comes from how you use the advantages associated with it.
If I choose to take advantage of the fact that my society considers my voice to be automatically more valuable, reasonable, rational than the voice of a WoC (f’rex) to talk over the experiences of WoC, to perpetuate their oppression so that I don’t have to worry that they’ll wrest some of the power I hold away from me; then I am a shitty person. If I assume that I have the advantages I do because I earned them by being a Good Person (not like those Bad People who brought on their own oppression by not being awesome like me), then I am a shitty and also phenomenally stupid person. But it’s actually really easy to not be that shitty a person.
young people who bust my balls.” Also, don’t ASSUME you know anything about the people online (that they’re all young, that they’re all white,
Thank you Ithiliana for the sound advice. I was not referring to anyone on line busting my balls, I was referring to those who do it in the real world. I never take anything for granted on line, and your advice is spot on. Thank you.
as opposed to those who are just mistaking the fact that they were younger for a “better time”) I would be in that category Ithiliana. I do not disagree at all with you on your facts about feminism. I was simply thinking back 50 years that for me was a simplier time for me and yes I felt much better physically then, like we all did. The term young and stupid comes to mind. Not you or anyone else but me.
Thanks for the links Ithiliana
Thanks Kathleen sorry for your loss.
Cassandra, was this post addressed to me?
Thank you burgundy for your very thorough explanation. About what you said here “MRAs like to go on about female-on-male rape as a great tragedy that feminists are indifferent to (even though they don’t seem to show much compassion for male rape survivors
Until about 3 or 4 months ago I never heard of these guys. And they seem to be a bunch of whiners who haven’t been able to get laid in along time. My oldest granddaughter’s boyfriend is 24 and nothing like these losers. In my opinion, I think you only owe it to yourself and those in the feminists movement to improve your life and standing in the world. There can’t be more than a handful of MRAs and they certainly don’t speak for anyone but themselves. If I’m not mistaken the SPLC listed them as a hate group right along with groups like the KKK. So why bother with these people?
remember those MRAs? Well they like to claim that men are raped more often than women and that feminists don’t care (or more hilariously, that feminists support the rape of boys
Point taken Argenti
Give me a break, Steele. As a fellow white person, I’ve heard people speak about white people with no nice words or not nice tone, up to very angry. So what? That’s nothing.
If you feel sad, just turn up the TV or open the book and you have 3 in 4 chances to find a programm designed to tell you how awesome you are for being born a white dude. Fiction or documentary or news, if the main person isn’t a white dude, chances are it’s a sexy white girl for the enjoyement of straight dudes.