” I just said this, but let me repeat myself — the plural of anecdote is not data.”

Fine. But I prefer to hear from people who were there not a bunch of bean counters using a system only they understand. And you sir are welcome to trust whom ever you chose.

“No, it is not impossible nor is it hilarious.”

I never stated it was hilarious. Men can be sexually harassed but it is rarely if ever reported and if it were, it would not get the attention of that of a woman who complained. That’s the reality.

Getting a blow job does not meet the legal requirements of rape. And it’s happened a few times over the years to me where I was awoken by a good blow job and loved it.

If being a straight man who loves women, I’m guilty

Getting a blow job does not meet the legal requirements of rape.

It does if the person getting one doesn’t consent to it. Legal requirements of rape don’t specify “it’s gotta be PIV.”

And it’s happened a few times over the years to me where I was awoken by a good blow job and loved it.

Well, good for you. You had consensual sex, and you had a partner you trusted and who trusted you. Great! Doesn’t mean other people can’t withhold consent or aren’t in a relationship where they trust their partner and so therefore blowjobs-in-their-sleep cannot be said universally to not be rape.

If being a straight man who loves women [is a crime], I’m guilty

Well, why don’t you just take that ball and go home, then? Nobody said it was illegal to be a straight man who loves women, redundant as the statement may be. This statement of yours sounds like you’re looking for something to feel persecuted over.

“Women can, and do, sexually harass men in the workplace, at school, and in other venues. It is much less common than the reverse, but it does happen ”

I agree, but it is rarely if ever reported. It much more common coming from the woman.

Yes men get raped in prison, we agree. But can you cite just one case of a woman being prosecuted for the rape of “adult male” not a minor?

OK fair enough. Can you cite an actual case of a many reporting he was raped or sexually assaulted?

Ok it was actually my cousin not my brother, but point taken. I just don’t like bean counters whatever it is they happen to be counting. Let’s just agree that men get raped in prison and a good many of them. I would actually like to get to a thread or start one that deals with the very real toxic legal environment facing men in the US today and especially college aged young men.

I never said this “on what basis do you make the claim that it’s, “very few men” who are harassed ” I did say it is rarely if ever reported. When I said he would be dismissed, I misspoke , I meant to say his claim would be dismissed. It may be wrong for women to be treated more fairly in this regard, but it is what it is. And any male supervisor knows or should know that male and female employees get treated differently, maybe not officially and it shouldn’t be this way, but it is. I’m sure I don’t have to tell you how powerful the feminist movement has been in the world of politics. It may suck but we both know that’s the way it is.

Instead of not sending men to prison incase they are raped, couldn’t we look at what causes the high rate of rape in prison and work on reducing it? Is there a lax attitude among guards that allow people to get away with it? Or something about the way prison is set up that puts the more vulnerable people with more vindictive people? If so can these things be changed.

“but in New York forced oral sex in either direction is a criminal sexual act; the law is word-for-word the rape law, down to the penalty, except that rape is intercourse and criminal sexual act is anything else. A distinction without a difference. op. cit.:”

I did start to read New York sexual assault laws and different degrees and got a headache real fast. I’m no lawyer, but all 50 states have their own versions. But I think what you are arguing here is not the biggest thing a man has to worry about. By far the most important thing is how VAWA changed everything and now it is possible for a woman with “buyer’s remorse” to charge a man with rape. If every woman charged every man that ever had a bad night in the bedroom with rape, there would be no free men left. We’d all be in prison. D

Grampk, right on with your last post. The internalized misandry and sickening hypocrisy of feminists- on this blog and the world at large- is all too obvious. Men can never be victimized. Men are all oppressors. Men are evil.

Digusting.

You’ll have to read the 1994 version and the current proposed version to understand.

Thank you. I’m happy we are able to come together on an issue that I think is very important to all men.

Very true. White men are largely vilified by any and all other groups.

You’ll have to read the 1994 version and the current proposed version to understand.

Is that so? Because here I have read it and maybe I’m really dumb or something but I still can’t seem to find the “buyers remorse = rape” section of the VAWA. Do you think you could point it out to me?

I don’t know which movement you refer to, but IMO the chances are a man be falsely accused of rape is much more real that the possibility of a woman be legally charged with the rape of a man.

No it was made by Viscaria

I don’t know which movement you refer to, but IMO the chances are a man be falsely accused of rape is much more real that the possibility of a woman be legally charged with the rape of a man.

Of course. Men are falsely accused all the time. I apologize if I wasn’t clear – my point was that unfortunately, our misandrist legal system essentially makes it almost impossible for a woman to be convicted of raping a man. This isn’t right- and it’s an MRM issue.

Ok it is my opinion and as said earlier, I am NO lawyer.

Thanks for clearing that up Steele. I agree.

I like your screen name

They use the term “white dude” as a pejorative

WAAAAAAAAH, THEY TWEAKIN’ MAH PRIVILEGE!

as a fellow white dude i just wanna say that it cant be emphasized enough how spoiled this shit makes you sound

grammpk so what exactly is it that upsets you so much about people pointing out that rape is a thing that exists

because rape exists, duder

Where did I say rape doesn’t exist?

How about here?

“Women can, and do, sexually harass men in the workplace, at school, and in other venues. It is much less common than the reverse, but it does happen and it is important to recognize and respond to it, rather than thinking it never happens.

Similarly, men can be raped not just by other men but by women. Female on male rape is rare, but believing it simply can’t happen is false. A man can be threatened into compliance, drugged, or overpowered, and can be penetrated or forced to penetrate. See line above about recognizing and responding versus pretending the problem does/can not exist.”

Yes women can do sexually harass men but , but there are never any charges and if a man were to complain, he’d be laughed at.

There’s an old expression “You can’t rape the willing” If a woman had sex with you (oral) while you were passed out, be happy or be gay. Just get over it.

And you hate “bean counters” time for my favorite question for people who hate statistics then! So, does this hatred of statistics apply to everything, or just rape stats? Because the CDC must be wrong about how many people die annually from TB, since I don’t know anyone who’s died of TB. Seeing the problem here?

“But can you cite just one case of a woman being prosecuted for the rape of “adult male” not a minor?” — Let me google that for you — admittedly, google isn’t brilliant about word order, so that’s a mixed bag, but that third result? There’s your one case. (And the second one should probably count too, but I’ll assume you meant an adult woman since you said adult male; you probably should’ve said “not for stat rape” to be clearer there)

Sharculese — nawh, hasn’t been long since the last “when’d I hate you?” troll — NWO was all “I haven’t show you ire” on me just yesterday. We can exclude him if you meant a new troll though.

NWO — the closest you managed to “a point” in reply to me calling you hateful was that the boyscouts don’t get federal funding, which is um, interesting, coming from you. You’ve decided that the gov’n actually does have a proper place in licensing drivers then? Or you’ll make points about what the gov’n should do only when it suits you? They can’t fund anything if they don’t exist after all.

Does anyone know if they even want federal funding (or, perhaps more importantly, if NWO’s claim is even true)?