New blog catalogs Men’s Rights awfulness!
Yep, that’s right, the “clopping” sound of high heels are a form of “street harassment.” I found the screenshot above on a promising new blog you can find at MensRightsActivism.com. Yep, that’s right. Evidently it never occurred to anyone in the Men’s Rights movement to lock down that domain name.
Oh, this little Reddit screenshot is good too:
How exactly does saying “consent is sexy” mean that male consent is taken for granted? How is it that 59 people thought that comment deserved an upvote?
I can’t answer either question, but there’s lots more hilarious and appalling stuff where that came from, mostly from the Men’s Rights subreddit. It’s going in the “antidotes to boobery” blog roll.
Posted on July 20, 2012, in announcements, anti-MRA information, awesome, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 622 Comments.
You know somebody has never even close to experienced street harassment when they have to reach THAT FAR to find a comparative. >_>
This is a wonderful antidote to boobery! Kudos to whoever created it.
I never liked “consent is sexy.” Because hey, some people do think it’s sexier to have sex without explicit consent, and I’m not going to try to argue them out of that. I just don’t give a shit, because “sexy” isn’t the most important thing in the world.
“Consent is how you know you’re not raping someone” is less sexyfun, but more on point.
AH HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Sorry, but that’s about the greatest thing ever.
As soon as I read the above, the Feminist Chair-drag of Doom came to mind.
I love the tagline for that new blog, “Never before have so many come together and accomplished so astonishingly little.”
Straight male misogynists of the universe! You don’t seem to have yet gotten the memo! Allow me to explain once again:
Women do not dress exclusively for your sake. In fact, despite your deep-seated conviction to the contrary, women make all sorts of decisions about their lives without basing them on how they may affect random straight dudes and their Mighty Boners.
I don’t give a fuck if you find my high heels sexy, random misogynist. (And not every straight guy does, by the way; why are y’all always so invested in the idea that your sexual desires are the only ones that exist?) I care that you leave me the fuck alone regardless of footwear choice. End memo.
I am rather taken with the idea that women making sounds in public with tapping shoes are demanding not only attention from these men but sexual attention from these men. Creepy!
“It’s not as though we can look away”???
Oh hai there, Zero Self-Awareness Man!
You know what? Flip flops are pretty loud too. Heck, the sound they make is right there in the name! And boots, they can be pretty loud. My work boots are pretty clompy.
All footwear is harassment! The only safe option is to not have feet.
Clip-clop makes me think of ponies on cobblestone.
Okay, sure, I’ll be nice and accommodating and say that culture does tend to take male consent for granted.
But come on, they have to realize that 1) it’s not feminists doing it, and 2) who the hell is going to ask consent to walk down the street?
“Excuse me, sir, I mean to go down 35th and Victory in these shoes, would that bother you at all?”
>_<
One of my colleagues’ shoes did that sort of loud tap as she would walk to class.
Her students thought it very useful since they’d know when she was approaching the door!
(My shoes never tap or clop–sometimes they squeak when wet–so I could sneak up on my students…………..bwaahahahahahahaha…………………until I started teaching completely online, ah well).
Good times, good times!
When it rains and my tennis shoes get wet, they make a squeaky sound on linoleum. That’s my way of demanding AntiFeminisMedia to notice that there is water on the soles of my shoes, because of course everything that happens everywhere is about him.
Now to the actual post: I HATE TUMBLR. It makes no sense to me, and my eyes go blooey.
But let me see–this is sort of a tumblr anonymous version of Manboobz, right? In that they’re collecting screenshots of MRA’s “activism” to post for the general merriment and jollity of all?
Interesting, so MRA’s think it’s misandry to give their sex partners orgasms. I… I am not surprised.
“consent is sexy” may or may not be sexy , but without express verbal or written agreement, it is rape or depending on the state sexual assault. Concerning sexual harassment, although the law may be gender neutral, the reality is that sexual harassment only matters when it is male on female.
Back in the day the term used was “It takes 2 to tango” I have no doubt that most male/female couples get together have consensual sex and there are no issues. But in some cases there can be date rape. There is no question as to the couple having sex, the matter at hand is was it consensual. And as they say, the devil is in the details. And for the man involved, he has a very good chance of landing in prison, where he will for sure be raped. And that will happen whether he is guilty of rape or falsely accused and convicted.
BRB, I’m going to go sexually harrass the FedEx guy by clomping at him as I walk to my mailbox.
(Really, guys? Seriously?)
Sounds like MGTOWs… they have this constant fight against a woman who doesn’t exist (no, sexy woman! Succubi! I will not have sex with you! Do not insist!). Sounds like a sexual “you’re not firing me, I quit!” (it should be noted that if one of these guys did get raped (i.e. non-consensual sex), it is a serious matter, whether the rapist is a woman or not. However, given their example, it sounds like they have no idea what sexual harassment means. I wonder, does that mean dudes who drive around their Harley are mega-harassers? Because if harassment is measured in decibels…)
“(it should be noted that if one of these guys did get raped (i.e. non-consensual sex), it is a serious matter, whether the rapist is a woman or not. ”
The only way a man is going to be raped is by some big dude named Bubba in prison. Women are sexually harassed by assholes all the time in every conceivable place. BTW, I like the sound of high heels. Technically in the work place a woman can sexually harass man, but in reality it never happens.
Magnesium – I think it’s mostly that they willfully ignore the difference between “if you don’t give me an orgasm, I won’t sleep with you” and “you must give me an orgasm.”
You can withdraw your consent to have sex with me. You can’t say “I only consent to shitty sex” and tell me I can’t withdraw consent from that.
Ahahahahaha!!
And here I thought I was commiting the ultimate misandry by NOT wearing heels, dying my hair or scraping face paint on every morning! I thought I was grinding men down by not gratifing their boners while out in public.
You know. We should colect all their misandry is shit and post it up and tell them that if men have such wildly divergent views, even when they are members of the same group, than women might as well do as they please. I mean really, I couldn’t set foot outside my door without walking into three different men with four different opinions.
In a way, it’s almost beautiful. Can you imagine growing up in a without knowing what sexual harrasment is? Such innocence*! How lucky are these stupid boys that they never had to fear it.
*And litteraly as well. The word comes from the latin “not knowing”.
Christ. I wear flat shoes to work because downtown Boston is largely brick and cobblestone rather than flat asphalt, and that’s a fairly hazardous environment in which to wear high heels. I STILL get harassed by entitled douchebags who think that by continuing to breathe and be mobile I owe them time and attention. So apparently if I wear high heels I’m sexually harassing Teh Poor Menz, and if I’m wearing flats I’m not sexy enough to merit their sexual interest so they harass me anyways because I’ve failed to live up to their standards. Sound about right?
Effie
You nailed it!
I find myself wishing that Steel or NWO would write an inspiring post about how catcalls are NOT creepy, misogynistic, are perfectly ok and all that. Or another MRA. Please, folks. Explain it to us.
I thought clip-clopping was brony masturbation?
I’m reminded of a bible verse no doubt written by a misogynist:
Isaiah 3:16 The LORD says, “The women of Zion are haughty, walking along with outstretched necks, flirting with their eyes, tripping along with mincing steps, with ornaments jingling on their ankles…”
“Battered Woman Syndrome, the legal name of the pussy pass.”
Oh HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO-
*Gasps*
HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO
Ah, MRAs, never stop failing.
For the rest of you, it’s funny because battered woman syndrome is not a defense to murder. Despite the only difference between it and self defense being that it involves an intimate partner.
@rutee: yeah, the ‘syndrome’ bit indicates that it’s more of a psychological phenomenon than a legal defense.
Can manginas get a pussy pass?
…That verse, in context, is about the fall of Zion. So sure, might’ve been written by a misogynist, but most people would spot the antisemitism of the chapter a whole lot faster.
And I am really tempted to find the exact words you used to call prison rape hilarious…
On topic, are they really saying that women being attractive in their sight is harassing them? Is it possible to make that “argument” without implying that women should only be attractive if they’re going to have sex, here and now, with anyone who finds them attractive? Presumably women are not allowed to go on dates then, since men (that are not their date) might see them?
And what about lawyers and the like, jobs that expect women to wear at least a low heel?
It’s been used in court as one, and it has emphatically been denied as a defense by the legal canon, despite, again, being identical to self defense except that it is predominantly done by women.
“…where he will for sure be raped. And that will happen whether he is guilty of rape or falsely accused and convicted.”
You’ve clearly missed where Ruby basically can’t comment here without being reminded that we hate her for having said that she finds that hilarious… (I had honestly not seen your comment before I wrote my previous comment)
And btw, women can rape men, I’ll assume it isn’t news to you that “having sex” with a sleeping person is rape, right? Yeah, doesn’t much matter the gender of the sleeping person (and that’s just the example off the top of my head)
You do realize it doesn’t matter then either, right? The law provides a bit more lip service on the matter then, but dudes don’t really get prosecuted for harrassing women much either.
Actually, there’s only about a 20% chance in Meriken prison of being raped, for dudes. I mean, that is a little higher than the one for being a woman outside of prison (Which is roughly 16%), but it isn’t so much higher that you can say “for sure” about a dude in prison more than you would about a woman outside it.
Sandursky’s victims thank you for your support.
OH…OH…..WE HATE RUBY….OH THAT FEELS SO GOOD!….YES, YES…..YES!!!
Hategasm. LOLOLOL!
What the fuck is this I don’t even.
Don’t give me this cute “2 to tango,” “devil is in the details” shit. Rape is not subtle. If you have sex with someone who doesn’t want to have sex with you, that’s rape. It’s not a fucking tango detail.
Also, not everyone in prison is raped. Some of them are rapists! (And the majority, although nowhere near as big a majority as it should be, are actually not involved in prison rape.) Prison rape is random, or it’s based on social status within the prison and perceived weakness; it’s not something that automatically happens to every man with a sex crime conviction.
Ew.
You’re not special, Ruby. We hate anyone who thinks prison rape is funny. Don’t get a big head about it.
When she mocks an MRA’s horribleness: Normal
When she is mocked for her horribleness: Hategasm?
Ruby, you should just leave. Except that you have the maturity of a 7 year old (Surprise, from a libertarian), so you will continue to make inane comments just so you don’t have to surrender.
So anyway, that prophesy about the women of Zion goes on to say they will get sores on their heads and go bald. They’ll lose their ornamentation, nice clothes, etc. Their men will die in battle and there will be a man shortage, seven women to one man. I remember this passage from when I was in bible college, before I became an atheist. To me, the writer was fantasizing about women being humiliated. Yeah, my male bible teacher said he loved this passage.
Ruby comes in on every post and leaves exactly one shallow “yeah me too those MRAs suck” comment each time, and I think she’s just hoping someone brings up her horrible comment history, so she can…
so she can…
I’m not sure what she gets out of this but apparently it’s something. Because she’s deliberately laying bait here.
Ruby, you mock people here for their “hategasm” but then you keep posting shit like we’re all BFFS — wtf?
The hate started not with the whole thing about me laughing at evil men being raped in prison, but with me identifying myself as a libertarian. Honestly, smart, compassionate people CAN disagree on politics.
But when people aren’t smart or compassionate (or even honest)….
Challenging Owly for the Making Shit Up award now are we Ruby?
I love reading David’s blogs and commenting on them. I won’t let hateful people drive me away.
But not on prison rape.
Ruby, you’re acting like the MRAs who come in here and say “You just hate me for being a man!” when you get all “you just hate me for being a libertarian!”
(why am I typing this, Ruby doesn’t read things. she just lays bait and then goes “oooohhh they hate me I must be too awesome for them” for the next couple hours)
Why do you love it, though? You clearly disagree with a number of people here on very important topics.
Yawn.
We can’t drive you away. But we can respond to you.
And I don’t hate you, Ruby. It has nothing to do with your magical Ruby shine that I envy so badly. I just hate anyone who thinks that rape is ever justified.
You’re just another rape apologist, Ruby. You’re not special.
I know MRAs have an impossible time believing this, but men DO turn down women for sex sometimes. I have been turned down before, even by my partner, and I am a very sexy woman. It happens, because, men have feelings. I know, crazy.
I don’t hate Ruby; not enough substance. I do think Ruby is an ignorant git, and perhaps the most boring of the narcissists who show up seeking a share of the troll house cookies y’all bake up so nicely.
A “very good chance of landing in prison” if accused of rape? Have you ever even looked at the statistics? Of the rapes that get reported, most don’t even result in an arrest. Of those who are arrested, many are never prosecuted. Of those who are prosecuted, many are not convicted. So, basically, fuck off.
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
Maybe you should send David an email, Ruby. Ask him if he thinks “evil” men getting raped is funny. See what kind of response you get.
And I’m sorry if I sound full of myself for saying I’m a “sexy woman.” Between that and the “pearly white skin” comment yesterday, I probably sound like a conceited asshole. Again, I’m sorry.
Oh, and for the record Rubes, I don’t hate you. You’re not important enough. I am, however, thoroughly disgusted by you.
I think you’re hypocritical, disingenuous and a massive creep. At this point I think the only reason you come here is for the chance to get off on your imagined superiority.
No, the hate started when you said that poor people shouldn’t get proper health care and should just stop eating fast food. People told you repeatedly about how poor people die without proper health care, and how hard it is to have a nutritionally balanced diet when poor. Personal experiences and scientific data were presented to you and you simply ignored it and continued to spout your bullshit, thereby showing complete disregard for poor people’s well-being.
And yet, people gave you far more leeway than you deserved after that. But then you linked to a forum where you defended prison rape and said it was funny. And when people pointed out to you that no, it’s not funny, that nobody deserves to be raped, you just stuck to your horrible views.
So no, it’s not because you’re a libertarian, it’s because you espouse cruel, inhumane views and then you just post fluff comments like nothing ever happened.
Yeah, no. Almost all the people I know who identify as libertarians are assholes, but a very select few are non-assholes who just have a different notion than I do as to what needs to be done to make the world a better place. I don’t hate them, though I might debate passionately with them. The asshole ones, I dislike for being assholes, not for being libertarians.
You’re one of the asshole libertarians, Ruby. “I don’t want the poor to die without healthcare, but as a libertarian I see it as a better option than socialized healthcare. Anyway, maybe they should stop all being fat slobs, and also pull themselves up by their bootstraps!” is not something just any libertarian would say. Many libertarians would propose other methods of healthcare delivery for the poor, or explain their (typically far too optimistic, imho) theories about how a freer society would not have the same level of economic inequality as ours. No, casually shrugging off the deaths of others because you blithely assume that, as one of the Good People, you’ll never face abject poverty; that’s something only an asshole libertarian would do.
But that’s not why you’re so unpopular here, Ruby. You’re universally disliked because you are pro-rape, as long as it’s the rape of the Bad People; and then you pretend like it’s no big deal.
What would that have to do with an evopsych-spouting fool who is perfectly fine with the deaths of the poor and the mass suffering of ‘criminals’, and who then dishonestly misrepresents the label as being the problem, not the views underlying it?
Ninja’ed by the charming and talented Myoo.
Cliff has covered this in the past, but nobody who thinks tacitly state-sanctioned rape as an acceptable (and hilarious) form of punishment has no business calling themselves a libertarian.
“OH…OH…..WE HATE RUBY….OH THAT FEELS SO GOOD!….YES, YES…..YES!!!
Hategasm. LOLOLOL!”
That is just disgusting, worse than NWO or DKM, DKM might go on about his “little lady lovelies” but doesn’t type up feigned orgasms. Can we please get rid of her?
To everyone else, you’re right, my usage of hate was too strong a term, she disgusts me, but I don’t hate her.
But don’t they know that men are just as able to wear cloppy (aka “sexy look at me”) shoes? My husband has a pair of men’s boots that clop like crazy and I for one find it immensely appealing. Plus it is basically impossible to sneak up on someone with cloppy shoes, so I highly recommend that misogynist assholes get some. Maybe the noise of the shoes will drown out their hideous catcalls.
Speaking of cloppy shoes, I would like to see a season of Ru Paul’s Drag Race with entirely straight drag queens. That’d be great.
/not related to anything but more interesting than Ruby
I know I’m more of a lurker but wasn’t rudy’s demotion to troll straight up stated during the 500 comment conversation where she professed her love for prison rape.
fishes — that fits with my memory, yeah. Before the prison rape thread there’d been some comments on how she really wasn’t as bad as DKM, NWO, etc and thus shouldn’t have her ev-psych thrown at her every time she comments…then she dug in deep in favor of prison rape and got demoted to troll. I’m not sure the comment that first called her a troll was that thread, but it was because of that thread.
Gods that fake orgasm comment is disgusting, even compared to the usual from DKM, NWO, etc.
Am I the only person who thinks that “ha ha the rapist gets raped IN PRISON” seems to be tied to this prevalent cultural belief that the current state of things is how it WILL ALWAYS BE and there is no way to stop rape from happening (which is patently FALSE)?
Because you know what I’d rather see then a rapist go to jail and be punished? I’d rather that people not rape other people IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I don’t give a shit about revenge against the guy who raped me. I just wish he DID NOT THINK THAT RAPE WAS AN OPTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
You can’t stop rape with the threat of more rape.
Trigger warning on this comment, just to be safe, for discussions of how rape can occur.
@ grampmk
Women can, and do, sexually harass men in the workplace, at school, and in other venues. It is much less common than the reverse, but it does happen and it is important to recognize and respond to it, rather than thinking it never happens.
Similarly, men can be raped not just by other men but by women. Female on male rape is rare, but believing it simply can’t happen is false. A man can be threatened into compliance, drugged, or overpowered, and can be penetrated or forced to penetrate. See line above about recognizing and responding versus pretending the problem does/can not exist.
@Alex- this is why sexual harassment training goes over all sorts of sexual harassment. It is non-gender or sex specific because it can happen to ANYONE, even though it was more likely to happen to women in the past simply because of how the workforce used to be dominated by men. At my work they did a sexual harassment training where they explained a situation in which a bunch of women supervisors were interviewing a male applicant for a job and they were using sexual innuendo and sexist language implying that because he was a male, he would be excluded from the hiring process. In this situation, the man was able to successfully sue for sexual harassment and discrimination because of the situation.
Men can be raped. Women can be rapists. But we also must take a look at predator theory and how people who predate tend to pick on weaker targets. This is why most predator women will not predate on a strong, young self-confident man. They will go after teens or young boys, or alternatively, senior men. They go after people who are weak, because that is what a predator does, male or female. The fact that men have a biological larger size, more muscle density and bone mass than women simply makes predator men have access to a wider range of victims. It does not necessarily mean that men are predators by default. It is a question of strong predator looking to take advantage of social and cultural norms that normalize abusive behaviors against weak victims.
Obviously, this does not mean that it’s “ok” for anyone to abuse anyone else, but it does mean that women are disproportionately the victims of abuse at the hands of men, the elderly are disproportionately the victims of abuse at the hands of adult men and women and children are disproportionately the victims of abuse by EVERYONE.
Abuse sucks, so let’s put a stop to it. I’m tired of pissing contests where people try to play “who has it worse” as though it excuses abuse towards a specific group of people.
grampmk: The only way a man is going to be raped is by some big dude named Bubba in prison.
Wrong. Lack of consent is rape, no matter who it is who failed to get consent.
Rape is rape; and the back-handed prison rape jokes And as they say, the devil is in the details. And for the man involved, he has a very good chance of landing in prison, where he will for sure be raped. And that will happen whether he is guilty of rape or falsely accused and convicted.
Not on. really not on. Not funny, not appropriate, and not wanted.
Rape, no matter who does it, nor when, nor where, nor to whom, is unacceptable. If you want to sit in the corner of the shun-worthy with Ruby, that’s your right. It’s up to you.
Nanasha, I agree. From grampmk’s comments, it didn’t seem that he understood any of that. I wanted to make sure it was addressed.
Because, you know… http://xkcd.com/386/