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Tom Martin, UK MRA: Child prostitutes should be prosecuted for “preying” on pedophiles

[Trigger Warning: Child rape]

Tom Martin is doubling down on his own reprehensibleness. You may recall the utterly repellant things the prominent British Men’s Rights Activist – he’s the guy who sued the London School for Economics for “misandry” and got his case thrown out – has been saying in the comments here about child prostitutes, and which I highlighted in a recent post.

Now he has returned with some even worse comments. Here’s his “solution” to the problem of child prostitution. (Emphasis mine.)

Pedophiles should be removed from society and given compassionate treatment for their illness.

Child prostitutes should be put back in school, or if repeat offenders, prosecuted for attempting to profit by preying on the mentally ill pedo population.

Pedos have an incentive not to re-offend – to keep their liberty, and avoid a secure treatment unit.

Child prostitutes should face a choice between their freedom (apart from when at school), or, if they continue avoiding school to go whoring, then incarceration and school.

In another comment, Martin suggests that child prostitutes are economic free agents just maximizing their profit potential:

The child prostitutes say they’re not victims.

And the fact they take money off a punter for sex, says it’s not really rape.

Pimps are not controllers, they are in truth merely agents for the prostitute, so don’t blame them exclusively either.

I’m calling manboobzers human whores. A trait shared with animals, but one humans have the cognitive powers, awaredness, and choice to transcend.

If your 10 year old doesn’t know what a whore is, but is one, then something’s wrong with that kid’s education. Perhaps they’ve been reading manboobz articles and taking Cuntrelle literally in between poundings.

Tom Martin: Worst person in the world?

(Note: Tom Martin has confirmed that this is indeed him posting comments here on Man Boobz by sending an email from the account associated with his website Sexismbusters.org. Also, he’s retweeted quotes from his comments here. Contact him via his web site if you are skeptical.)

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Posted on July 16, 2012, in antifeminism, evil women, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, rape, Tom Martin, whores. Bookmark the permalink. 145 Comments.

  1. What. The. Fuckety. Fuck. Does he even listen to what comes out of his mouth? (so to speak)

  2. skokieboki@yahoo.com

    What are the chances he is not being serious. Obviously he is a terrible person either way, but I wonder.

    Thoughts? I’m honestly lost. I really can’t hardly tell anymore when these guys are joking.

  3. He says he is not joking.

  4. Has Tommy made his experiment/video thinger yet?

  5. Pimps work for the child prostitutes?! But pimps are ADULTS, child prostitutes are CHILDREN. Of course adults are at fault for this problem, and children are not responsible. Their brains aren’t mature enough to be able to make good choices. Besides, no doubt an adult FORCED them into a life of prostitution. These pimps and pedophiles are evil for what they do to children.

  6. I’m being censored, so won’t be commenting here.

  7. Nobody is allowed to use a specific word for a while =/= you are being personally prevented from speaking.

    Get the fuck over yourself.

  8. “I’m being censored, so won’t be commenting here.”

    What a convenient way to avoid criticism! Since Tom is not allowed to say one particular word (for which he could easily substitute a different, more polite one), he’s going to run off and find a place where people haven’t figured out that he’s a con artist to comment instead.

    It’s not often that I say anything that’s sympathetic towards MRAs but seriously, guys, Tom Martin? Is trying to scam you out of money. Don’t fall for it.

  9. Stopping you just filling posts with the “w” word =/= censoring. It’s not like David banned you for using the word “the”.

  10. Ahaahahahahaha! You’ve said some truly rehensible shit up to this point Tom, I have doubts that David is censoring you now.

    David, is he just whinging because he’s on moderation?

  11. Ninjas! Also for = from.

  12. Later Tommy, good luck prostitutin’ yourself to gullible MRA rubes to pay of the epic 37,000 loss fee.

  13. Oh dear, what have I missed this time?

  14. Whatever, scam I am.

  15. He won’t even post a rambling cell phone video, and he wants money to condemn children who are being abused.

  16. Ahaahahahahaha! You’ve said some truly rehensible shit up to this point Tom, I have doubts that David is censoring you now.

    As far as I’m aware he can post what he likes – but anything containing a word of which he’s inordinately fond that begins with W and rhymes with ‘door’ will automatically get caught by the spam filter.

    Evidently, Tom feels that he’s incapable of getting around this. Which probably isn’t surprising given that his recent Tweets consist of nothing other than shrieking that single word at people who don’t like him.

  17. I guess I should go get the brain bleach out again, eh?

  18. Oh, and as Viola points out, this ban applies to all of us, not just Tom.

    Somehow I think we’ll cope.

  19. A bossa nova/lounge cover of a Billy Idol song about masturbation.

  20. Tom isn’t the only one. Bills are getting struck down that protect the kids. Here’s a blurb on the subject.

    “Most states have laws making sexual contact with minors illegal, as minors are unable to legally consent to sexual activity. For example, minors under the age of sixteen cannot consent in the state of New York (See N.Y. Penal Law § 130.05). Despite their inability to consent, prostitution laws do not exempt minors from prosecution and district attorneys are not shy about prosecuting minors under these laws. See Harboring Concerns: The Problematic Conceptual Reorientation of Juvenile Prostitution Adjudication in New York, Shelby Schwartz. While U.S. law provides protection for foreign children trafficked into this country for the sex trade, American children are treated as criminals rather than victims. Additionally, most of the American children in the sex trade were wards of the state, which first failed to protect them from the clutches of pimps and then prosecutes them for crimes to which they cannot legally consent.”

    http://www.americancriminallawreview.com/Drupal/blogs/blog-entry/prosecuting-juvenile-prostitution-11-17-2010

    Drawing attention to this issue is a good thing, and documenting Tom specifically so that people can see what he’s about if they look him up is worthwhile. I appreciate this post, however disturbing.

  21. I feel bad for everyone who has what must be a relatively common name and who now has to explain to everyone “but I’m not the one you might find if you Google me…”

  22. That’s fine with me if Tom doesn’t comment here anymore. He refuses to answer any of my questions (like what is prostitution IN ALL ITS FORMS?) and he just spews the same Aaarglebaargle over and over again. I’m getting pretty tired of this shit weasle and his avoidance tactics. At least NWO will sometimes engage in a semi functional dialogue. Discussing with Tom is like talking to a turd.

  23. You know what, I’m gonna go watch that ustream of the kittens.

  24. Eivind Berge seems to be pretty common in Norway too.

  25. ShadetheDruid

    Somehow I think we’ll cope. – Wetherby

    As long as my brain doesn’t do what it did earlier. :P (If you’ll permit me a little storytime).

    *As I read the comments backwards*

    Me: Oh look, David put the “w” word in the filter.
    Brain: Keep reading! I doubt we’ll need to use it anyway.
    *Brain files that under “Meaningless Info” and deletes*

    *Five minutes later*

    Me: I think i’ll make a post commenting on Tom’s stupidity.
    Brain: Oh! Yay!
    Me: *Types out post*
    Brain: By the way, you should totally use the “w” word.
    Me: Sure.

    *Post*

    Me: Whyyyyyyyyyy!
    Brain: Oh dear.

  26. I think those kittens are the new Manboobz pets/mascots.

  27. Comedic Hockey brain bleach.

  28. Pedophiles should be removed from society and given compassionate treatment for their illness.

    WTF??? “Compassionate treatment?”

    Yes, ok, if they haven’t acted on their impulses. Then, sure, treatment is good. But if they’ve gone ahead and abused children then treat them after they’re out of prison.

    TM, victim-blaming is a not good, very bad thing. Let’s see you defend Jerry Sandusky (UK or not you’ve heard about it).

    And yes I saw him flounce already so this is rhetorical. @aworldanonymous, I’ll go watch the kittens too.

  29. CassandraSays

    I’d say just looking at Don Cherry is comedic brain bleach. The tie!

  30. Don Cherry is brilliant, he has a new suit made for every session of Hockey Night in Canada, and then he donates the suits to charity when he’s done with them.

  31. Speaking sort-of of Eivind Berge, anything new with -him-?

  32. Tulgey Logger

    To be fair to Tom, using the W word is basically 97% of his personality, so it really is censoring him.

  33. CassandraSays

    @ Tulgey

    Are you saying that Tom’s personality is…receding?

  34. Tom can’t get around the filter?

    Hmmm..Hoar!

    Did that get past?

    I know. Bore! Which is what Tom has become.

  35. David, can we spend the rest of the thread finding amusing and creative ways around the filter? I mean, there are so many innovative ways to refer to seamstresses..hem,hem.

  36. Mrs. Palm

  37. Ladies of negotiable affection

  38. MorkaisChosen

    ZE LADIES OF ZE NIGHT

    (vhat sveet music zey make)

  39. David, is he just whinging because he’s on moderation?

    He’s not on moderation. I just put the word “wh*re” in the filter because some MBzers were growing tired of him calling people wh*res in pretty much every comment, and felt that the conversation that sometimes resulted ended up being insulting to (non-coerced, adult) sex workers.

    But apparently Tom feels it’s impossible for him to communicate without being able to call people “wh*res.”

  40. Mathematical brain bleach.

  41. How about women of ill repute?

  42. CassandraSays

    I think the best alternate to get past the spam filter would be s’mores.

  43. @CassandraSays

    I’ve always been partial to archaic terms like Strumpet, harlot and dollymop.

  44. thebewilderness

    I confess that I did not grasp the depth of depravity of the Tom Martins of the world until I listened to a pedophile explain that he was simply a victim, unable to resist the sexual power of the three year old that was “coming on to him”.

  45. Tulgey Logger

    Tom just can’t stop using that one hoary word long enough to keep his train of thought going!

    @CassandraSays: It might, but “S’mores” just doesn’t have the same impact.

    I mean, if Tom were to just post

    S’mores.

    it would actually sound like he was enjoying life with other people in a warm, friendly environment rather than fruitlessly needling strangers on the internet into accepting his idiosyncratic definition of, and then renouncing publicly on youtube, prostitution.

  46. CassandraSays

    Actually I wish there was a way to let Tom post what he wants, but automatically replace every incidence of “wh#$es” with “s’mores”, so that he would try really hard to insult people and end up sounding like he was offering them tasty snacks. And then he would stamp his feet in anger and the same thing would happen again.

  47. @thebewilderness, that is unreal. Truly incomprehensible but to him I’m sure it sounded perfectly reasonable. In this I agree with TM: Remove them from society.

  48. Tulgey Logger

    Brain bleach I shot myself:

    Enjoy ‘dat duck.

  49. CassandraSays

    It would be even better if we could automatically replace every incidence of “prostitution” with “baking”. Have you renounced baking in all its forms?

  50. Owl based brain bleach.

  51. There’s no such thing as too much kitten.

  52. The unbearable lightness of squeeing.

  53. Speaking of Tom’s potty mouth, and the (APPLAUDS) action David took: reminds me of all the post-Avengers fandom buzz over Liki’s use of “quim” (which is Elizabethan word for sort of well that word) to get past movie ratings boards (we all speculated).

    And there was a lot of criticism of Whedon with regard to that as well….

  54. Honestly, there are so, so many words for sex worker we couldn’t possibly hope to ban them all. It is just that most of them don’t have the vitriol that wh*res does, or are ridiculously old fashioned, so Tom can’t get the pleasure of (attempting to) insult people with them. I’m a fan of strumpet myself, just because it sounds like some kind of baked treat.

    Here’s an Alternet article arguing that sex work in the 18th and early 19th century was actually often a very good deal for the women, who earned a lot more money than they could otherwise and had more independence than a married woman:

    http://www.alternet.org/story/148327/how_19th_century_prostitutes_were_the_freest,_wealthiest,_most_educated_women_of_their_time?page=entire

    Here’s another book about 19th century prostitution, specifically about Helen Jewett, who was murdered, probably by one of her long-time clients:

    She also probably went into the trade for the money and independence she couldn’t earn elsewhere.

  55. Puppies that have been adopted by Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan.

  56. Mewling quim translates to “whining c*nt” which is far more offensive that “wh*re”. I missed that in the movie somehow, but it really makes Loki look like a total misogynist. WTF. He was a bad enough character to begin with, now he has to be a woman hater, too?

  57. MorkaisChosen

    Hmm. My understanding was that quim is… an anatomical term, not one for a profession, though given the part of the anatomy it refers to I could imagine it being used as a slightly figurative term for such a profession.

    So to speak.

  58. Really guys? I have been kinda uncomfortable with the constant flinging around of the term myself because its an obvious slur against sex workers. Now you are gonna play the lets avoid the filter game? Uhhh you do realize its an offensive term right? -_- *facepalm*

  59. In other news, on Ustream the kittens are having a snack.

  60. CrazyLadyBlues

    After reading Mr Martin’s comments about child prostitution (admittedly on here & not his website) I have major concerns as to his real sexual proclivities.

  61. CrazyLadyBlues

    Sorry my comment isn’t more insightful. But I can’t find the words to express it better.

  62. @indifferentsky

    I’d just like to go over the paragraph you supplied from the americanciminallawreview, whatever the hell that is. It’s really just an opinion piece is all it is.

    The paragraph you provided starts out with… “Most states have laws making sexual contact with minors illegal, as minors are unable to legally consent to sexual activity. For example, minors under the age of sixteen cannot consent in the state of New York.”

    If that’s the case, isn’t any sexual activity by a minor, even with other minors against the law and she/he is subject to some type of punishment? A minor can’t consent to drink and if they do they’re punished. They can’t consent to drive a car and are punished if they do that as well. There’s a load of things a minor can’t do that an adult can and if they do them they’re punished in some way.
    ————
    The paragraph you provided goes on to say… ” Despite their inability to consent, prostitution laws do not exempt minors from prosecution and district attorneys are not shy about prosecuting minors under these laws.”

    “not shy about prosecuting minors?” The opposite is factual. Minor’s are given far greater leniency for any criminal activety they commit.”
    ————-
    The paragraph go on to further state… “Additionally, most of the American children in the sex trade were wards of the state, which first failed to protect them from the clutches of pimps and then prosecutes them for crimes to which they cannot legally consent.”

    Is this an actual fact that most children in the sex trade were wards of the state? Doesn’t the words sex trade sound so much more ominous than prostitution? Especially when the following sentence informs us of needed protection from the, “clutches of pimps.” Are there really clutches of pimps preying on wards of the State? Does a 15 year old girl/boy not know the difference between right or wrong but magically aware of right and wrong on their 16th birthday?
    ————-
    Let’s move on to the next paragraph from the americanciminallawreview to find out whose to blame. Shall we? The opening sentence is … “Many of these children find themselves in prostitution after being lured away from foster case by an older male who is willing to shower them with gifts and affection, which he later withholds unless the children agree to engage in prostitution.”

    Shockingly enough, it’s an older male. Well according to this woman anyway. Why not other prostitutes flaunting the wealth they’ve made? Why not those same prostitutes luring them into the trade? Why not an older female? Is there any statistical proof of this? Of course not, it’s simply pixels on a screen based on what ever this woman wants to say, backed by nothing.
    ————
    What it really comes down to is, is prostitution right or wrong? If it’s wrong for adults, it’s wrong for minor’s as well. A 15 year old knows stealing is wrong, they know drinking underage is wrong, does the right and wrong of selling sex for profit somehow elude them? So the feminist dillema is that of denying a woman the right to be a prostitute would be trampling on a woman’s precious sexual agency. Her lived experiences and all that happy horseshit. If feminists say prostitution is a womans choice, the laughable term of sex trafficking has no meaning since it’s a woman choice. Her body, her choice, yip yip yap yap, and that nonsense.
    ————
    Since you’re all the good and moral feminists you decide what’s right or wrong and let us neanderthal men in on what you decide.

    If prostitution is acceptable for adult women, it should be licensed in some way as in any other business. If there’s an age limit than any one engaging in prostitution without a license should be punished. A 15 year old can’t drive without a license, they’ll be puished if they do. It sould be the same for prostitution.

    If prostitution is unacceptable for anyone of any age, then an adult should be punished for being a prostitute and a minor should also be punished allbeit to a lesser degree, which is how minor’s are punished for every other crime they commit. What’s your decision?

  63. I have major concerns as to his real sexual proclivities.

    You’re not alone, I promise.

  64. After reading Mr Martin’s comments about child prostitution (admittedly on here & not his website) I have major concerns as to his real sexual proclivities.

    I think it’s safe to say everyone’s at least wondering about that, at this point. The guy has, at the very least, a serious hard-on for punishment of children forced into prostitution.

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