The Lighter Side of Tom Martin (the repulsive British MRA)
Not Tom Martin
The other day we took a look at some of the more reprehensible opinions of Tom Martin, one of the UK’s most prominent Men’s Rights Activists and a man who evidently believes that child prostitutes are taking the easy way out to avoid having to get real jobs. He returned with even worse stuff, which I highlighted in my previous post.
Happily for all of us, not all of Martin’s views are this reprehensible. Many are merely ridiculous. So, today, let’s look at the Lighter Side of Tom Martin, as evidenced by some of his recent comments here on Man Boobz.
Martin apparently spent last Sunday working on a video project which involved him buttonholing passers-by on the streets of London and asking them questions in order to “prove” his various crackpot theories about gender. Here’s how he explained one aspect of his video research:
After shooting my video experiment tomorrow to discover who is more sexist on the street, women or women, I will be shooting another short, investigating if there is a correlation between unfunny women and prostitution ethic. I believe women could be as funny as men on average if they tried, but instead, invest in whoring strategies. I have a reliable street experiment to investigate this hypothesis also …
If I can establish that women can be as funny as men (in a zero prostitution environment), then this video experiment will be released in a news piece, and used as a springboard to pre-sell the feature-length documentary it will form a part of, on a related topic.
Good luck with that!
Martin also took on the contentious (to him) subject of male baldness, a topic of intense interest to him, due to certain factors with regard to gender and misandry … er, long story short, he’s bald. Sorry, balding.
After one commenter here suggested that Martin’s ambition was to become a sort of “Ann Coulter … with less hair and more swearing,” he took umbrage – not at the comparison to Coulter but at the bit about hair.
Well Cassandra, there are five new baldness treatments in the pipeline, but no drugs for treating a receding personality, so what are you going to do?
In a followup comment, the man whose favorite word in the English language is “whore,” used as an insult, declared we were being a bunch of evil meanies for even mentioning the whole (lack of) hair thing:
Cassandra, thanks to your receding personality (for which there is already a cure – renunciation therapy), I have decided for my filmed experiment tomorrow to also measure the degree to which each sex is prepared to make physical insults about the other sex.
Even if you specifically were fat for instance, and it was all your own fault because you refuse to get a job, I would never mention it in a debate with you. I debated an obese woman once. She ordered a pizza whilst we were still on stage, but I did not refer to it at the time, because of the most basic standards of decorum.
This I believe was an attempt at a joke.
How many manboobzers are prepared now to concur that Cassandra was being a douche by picking on an involuntary physiological characteristic of a debating opponent? And then encouraging others to do the same?
Of course, in Martin’s mind, mocking women as fat whores is totally cool, because:
Fatness is a choice, ladies, and so is being a whore. Going bald (currently) is not, due to poor efficacy of available treatments, including transplants. That will change, if Aderans, Histogen, Replicel, Allergen and Tsuji-Lab among others have anything to do with it. All you need to do in the meantime is shut the fuck up until they sort it out. The apparent acceptability of attacking the bald though, is a great example of the lack of equality men have. People do not generally attack or humiliate women who are going bald – but when it’s a man…
Uh, yeah, that’s why virtually every bald or balding woman wears a hat or a wig, while bald or balding men just comb it over or shave it all off.
Evidently Martin feels that even a mention of his lack of hair is some kind of hate crime. Here, prominent Bald Rights Activist Larry David tries to convince authorities to investigate a similar hate crime against him.
Note to Martin: Larry David’s show, “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is fictional.
(Note: Tom Martin has confirmed that this is indeed him posting comments here on Man Boobz by sending an email from the account associated with his website Sexismbusters.org. Also, he’s retweeted quotes from his comments here. Contact him via his web site if you are skeptical.)
Posted on July 16, 2012, in antifeminism, evil fat fatties, hypocrisy, irony alert, men who should not ever be with women ever, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, Tom Martin, whores. Bookmark the permalink. 651 Comments.
Lie detectors are unscientific, and even if they weren’t it would only be a test of what you believe to be true.
Fortunately, we only need these conveniently available public statements to determine that you’re full of shit.
PS It’s rape because it’s sex with a child.
PPS Your definition of prostitution is a pile of steaming crap if you think that dating someone because of what they own qualifies as prostitution.
Unfortunately lie detector tests can only detect people who are lying. People who are either stupid or detached from reality can pass them quite easily, since like Tom they actually believe the ridiculous things they say to be true.
@Tom Martin:
“I’d pass a lie detector on this one.” Funny thing, you know, that most pathological liars and sociopaths can easily pass those tests. Yeah Tom, I bet you’d have no trouble with one of those. Oh, and don’t try to even pretend that the rest of us all secretly agree with your delusional worldview in which kids and adults are psychologically interchangeable, penguins are prostitutes and chairs are misandry. Most people with a fully functional brain aren’t even in the same ballpark as your batshite ideas.
Oh, we’re sure you believe it.
But if you’re trying to prove it’s true… you know that’s not how lie detectors work, right? You can’t hook yourself up to one, say “breaking the speed of light is possible” and depending on how it reads solve the secrets of the universe.
After much deliberation, I have concluded that Tom Martin is a massive troll. He is simply too perfectly contemptible. I believe he may even be an active mole in service of feminists, to discredit the MRM. I would ask Boobzland to consider this likely possibility.
Oh hell, if I truly believed that the moon was made of green cheese, I would pass a lie detector on that one…. but that wouldn’t make it factual.
He has videos, a website, and you can look online to see he indeed did sue his school. Tom martin exist.
*exists
You’ve certainly impressed us with your deliberations in the past, Steelepole. However, one factor mitigating the likelihood of this conclusion, despite our respect for your awesome powers of reasoning, is that the man ate a 37,000 pound bill pursuing his dumb agenda in court, whereas trolling is free.
You MRABROs look pretty ridiculous without feminists helping you along.
@Steele:
I can’t see a mole losing the kind of money he did in an unsuccessful lawsuit just to be a more successful plant. He is definitely trolling here though. He comes here to his jollies by pissing off feminists.
Steele, really? So devoted a troll that he brought a troll lawsuit to a real court and got stuck with a real bill for a real £37,000?
Speak of the devil, Tom said:
Just to make absolutely clear we understand each other: Whenever an adult has sex with a child — regardless of whether or not the child says “yes” or “no” or accepts money or a gift for it — it is rape. That is in fact the very definition of statutory rape.
By saying it isn’t rape if a child accepts money you are — by the very fact that you are saying this — condoning child rape.
I love when MRAs suggest that bad MRAs are feminist plants, then turn around and do something like, I dunno, spend 800 pages arguing about “misandry.”
Dude. We don’t need plants.
Go back and deliberate some more, Steele.
He is still pissy David caught him sockpuppeting. :p
After much deliberation, I have concluded that Tom Martin is a massive troll. He is simply too perfectly contemptible. I believe he may even be an active mole in service of feminists, to discredit the MRM. I would ask Boobzland to consider this likely possibility.
(considers possibility)
No dice. He’s yours and yours alone. But feel free to tell yourself whatever comforting lies help you sleep through the night.
Steele, really? So devoted a troll that he brought a troll lawsuit to a real court and got stuck with a real bill for a real £37,000?
Exactly- which movement has greater financial means, the feminists or the MRM? On the surface, he’s a bozo who put himself in the hole on a hopeless lawsuit. It’s admirable in its way- fighting misandry is always noble- but on a personal level, it’s irrational.
However, if we accept my theory- Martin could have been assured financial compensation by feminists, much moreso than he lost. And now that he’s got exposure, it’s possible he’s been ordered by his bosses to “reveal” himself as an unspeakably, almost comically, foul individual. His name is being dragged through the mud, but given the extent of the feminist coffers, I could see him playing along for the right price.
I love when MRAs suggest that bad MRAs are feminist plants, then turn around and do something like, I dunno, spend 800 pages arguing about “misandry.”
Firstly, I like the scare quotes around misandry.
Secondly, you were all right there arguing with me. The Internet is made for frivolous debates; sure, it’s a little ridiculous in hindsight. But I hardly think I was the one who came out of it looking the worse. It’s you who have a massive bugbear about misandry, and you who insist that the word can only conform to your very specific interpretation. It’s you who dismiss and ignore men’s pain and men’s issues, you vile jackass.
Steele, I think it’s time we need to start considering if you’re a feminist plant.
I mean, you do make MRAs look like incredibly obnoxious, disingenuous dirtbags. I bet you’re really Andrea Dworkin.
There’s not a fund somewhere in the name of “The Feminists.” A few major feminist organizations have serious funding, but they don’t fuck around with Internet trolls.
LOL!!! So then, according to Steele, Tom must be w***ing himself for the feminist cause.
Yeah, and there’s more than one of us. I’d go to sleep and wake up and see you’d argued all night; I’d go to class or out on a date and come back and see you were arguing the whole time.
Anyway don’t blame us if you have a pathologic compulsion to get the last word.
Y’know all that shit about ‘ZOMG the moon landing isn’t real’? Yeah, that was more believable than this.
(This might turn out to be a bad example.)
There’s not a fund somewhere in the name of “The Feminists.” A few major feminist organizations have serious funding, but they don’t fuck around with Internet trolls.
To be sure, I can’t say specifically which group would be responsible; I would have thought that went without saying. But there are many with deep coffers; the feminists as a collective have much, much more exposure than the MRM.
And I’m disingenuous? Excuse me while I chortle.
@Steele:
Really? You really wanna go full tin foil hat when you know that there are less than stellar people who will find reasons to latch onto every single ideology/movement and use it for their own personal gain? There is no reason to create a ridiculously silly hypothesis rather than going the route of occam’s razor.
“However, if we accept my theory- Martin could have been assured financial compensation by feminists, much moreso than he lost.”
The passion with which you’ve embraced magical thinking is impressive, but I’m afraid that Tom is indeed a member of your movement. Sorry about that.
Yeah, and there’s more than one of us. I’d go to sleep and wake up and see you’d argued all night; I’d go to class or out on a date and come back and see you were arguing the whole time.
Again, I pop on quickly once in a while to scan the latest Boobzland has to offer. Many of my comments were made on the clock, at work, in quick bursts, when I had some downtime.
I know most of you get on and stare slack-jawed at the screen for hours, but I’ve learned to be efficient; I’ve had to, in my line of work.
HAHAAH oh man, feminist conspiracy again?? You and NWO should go on a date.
And complaining about how mras work so hard while feminists are lazy? YOU TWO ARE MEANT TO BE!
His line of work being Executive Supermodel-Dater, but he moonlights as an Astronaut Professor.
And he thinks we’re lying about everything.
Projection and paranoia…
Wait, wasn’t he a student some time last week?
Steele.
Steele stop.
My sides.
Wheels within wheels! D:
Yeah, well, he also had two other names last week.
Executive Supermodel-Dater
Excuse me? I have to say, I’m amused as to how quickly this has spiraled into something of a trope. I mentioned that I had a date with my significant other, which was true, but I was also employing sarcasm because I know that most of you can’t imagine a member of the “misogynist” MRM in a relationship with a woman. At no point did I refer to my SO as a “supermodel”. She is indeed quite attractive in my own personal estimation, but no, she is not employed as a supermodel.
Steele – For Chrissakes, the “argue til everyone falls asleep, declare yourself the winner” method doesn’t work on a blog with readers in different time zones.
I know you think the last word is everything, but you’re one man racing against a relay here. Get some rest! It’s 11 at night! Your quite attractive significant other whom you totally have must be waiting for you to come to bed!
Honestly, Steele, do you think well funded feminist organizations actually give a shit about the MRM? How much value can there be in discrediting MRAs?
You’re a bunch of do-nothings. You’ve had two rallies with a total of about six people. The most common theme in threads in the manosphere isn’t an action plan to gain leverage, it’s idiocy about non-issues like false-rape accusations, Fallout-esque wet dreams, chromosomal-makeup segregation*, and proper techniques in negging.
You only represent a threat on an individual level and that’s to people in your spacial and emotional vicinity. Discrediting you is a bit like discrediting psychopaths as a group; who would go to the trouble?
* I’d say ‘gender’ but your movement doesn’t seem to resonate with trans people. Funny that.
I know you think the last word is everything, but you’re one man racing against a relay here.
I of course realize that Boobzland is permeated with contemptible anti-male ideology and vile deniers of misandry and men’s pain, as well as those who acknowledge said pain but assert that said pain is less important than women’s. It’s daunting, but I feel compelled to offer a grain of truth and compassion in the comments section. And again, I comment efficiently.
Thinking does reduce one’s time-efficiency.
It’s not really chromosomes or gender. It’s MRA identification. They couldn’t give less of a shit about gay men, black men, feminine men, male victims of violence (sometimes they show up, but far, far more often, we hear about how various trivial shit is “the male equivalent of rape”) or men with inconvenient political beliefs, too.
Even the “segregated city” concept didn’t want any “manginas” in their treehouse.
I think the word you’re looking for is “pompously”.
Wait…Steele’s doubling down on the “feminist mole” conspiracy theory? OMG, that’s too precious!
Oh, Steele’s back? Yaaaaawn.
They couldn’t give less of a shit about gay men, black men, feminine men, male victims of violence (sometimes they show up, but far, far more often, we hear about how various trivial shit is “the male equivalent of rape”) or men with inconvenient political beliefs, too.
Excuse me? I don’t deny that the Movement has problems with inclusiveness, but this is not unique to the Movement. Every rights movement shares these issues. The great and holy feminism has had big problems with being disproportionately white and middle class.
Or, “obsessively”, “dishonestly”, “constantly”, take your pick.
GAH! MY COMMENT ISN’T PERFECT! THIS IS misandry!
Everyone who makes the MRM look bad is either 1) no true MRA or 2) a feminist mole. Of course, this raises the question, Steele: which one are you?
Statutory rape of a child is different from real child rape.
And a Brazilian high court has just ruled, that a man having sex with a prostitute who is underage, should not be treated as if he has raped or charmed any 12 year old, but the 12 year old’s behaviour has to be taken into account, so if for instance she is a child prostitute, targeting pedophiles, then this should be taken into account:
http://www.beinglatino.us/politics-2/mundo/brazilian-court-makes-child-prostitutes-criminals/
Brazil’s age of consent is 14, and prostitution is legal in Brazil so it seems some judges agree with me, in some respects
Brazil has the highest number of child prostitutes after Thailand, so I’m guessing they’re taking a pragmatic approach to reduce the numbers, which in Brazil’s relatively poor case might involve saying to the 12 year old, “Hey, if you want to be a prostitute, go ahead, but don’t expect any victims of crime compensation (or to be able to blackmail your customers out of any more money after the act) – as happened with Garry Glitter’s child prostitute’s mother for instance, who kept getting paid off by Glitter in order that she would agree to waive the potential death sentence on him.
CaptainBathrobe – Steele is the MRM.
He is also, at times, Torvus Botthorn or Mikael Varpole.
So it’s a growing movement, you see.
I admit I did utilize a sockpuppet; nonetheless, your blind acceptance of said fact despite any closure up until now, has been noted.
“It’s true I did sockpuppet, but you believing it makes you gullible… somehow.”
“How dare you accept on blind faith that something happened… okay so it did happen, but that’s not the point!”
This is what I mean about feminists not needing any help.
is mikey still blaming feminism for the fact that he’s lazy? lol.
Shorter Steele: You should have trusted me when I lied to you!
This is what I mean about feminists not needing any help.
Vile strawman. I’ve copped to my mistake- . But from a logical point of view, your gormless acceptance of Futrelle’s assertion is troubling and telling, indicative of low intelligence.
So Tom, what do think of Steele calling you a feminist plant? Is it true that you’re No True MRA? Dude’s callin’ you out, don’t you have anything to say?
it is pretty telling that we find david more trustworthy than someone who just admitted he’s a dishonest coward who threw a tantrum when he got caught misbehaving and spent weeks insisting that it was a conspiracy to destroy him
it tells us that youre totally incompetent
“I tripped and entered in several different names and email addresses! I’m clumsy!”
He’s the blog moderator. He has access to IPs. He told us–without violating your privacy, which he easily could have–that Butthorn was you. And it was correct.
Anyway, what would he have to gain by falsely claiming some troll was some other troll? I don’t even get the point of that.
Whereas your paranoid conspiracy theories and overuse of the No True Scotsman fallacy are both signs of a mighty intellect.
it wasn’t a mistake. you deliberately lied. and when you got caught lying you flipped out and blamed everyone else for your own actions.
stop trying to blame other people for your own pettiness, dude.
someone who just admitted he’s a dishonest coward who threw a tantrum when he got caught misbehaving and spent weeks insisting that it was a conspiracy to destroy him
Futrelle did indeed launch a smear campaign against me- it’s the first step in doxxing. It’s not, obviously, but it’s a warning. I stand by everything I’ve said.
David has not lied to us or sockpuppeted. You did both.
We believe the person who has told the truth in the past, did not believe the person who lied in the past.
It is telling that you think we should be dumb enough to believe your dumb lies, it tells us that you are kind of stupid, despite your protestations of extreme intelligence.
if you stop to think about it it’s kind of depressing tho that mikey’s new line of attack is ‘you trusted another person. how stupid is that?’
seriously mikey, this obsession is not good for you
Between his “if you catch me in a lie, I go into attack mode” tactics and his “I’ll keep arguing until you agree just to make it stop” tactics, his attractive lady friend must be having just a wonderful time with him.
I mean, he seems like the sort of man you could totally have a “hey, something you did bothered me” conversation with and not get shouted down until you ended up sorry you said anything.
Regardless, I maintain that Boobzland requires the injection of compassion and truth. If I had to adopt a moniker to further said goal, so be it.
@Tom Martin:
“Statutory rape of a child is different from real child rape.”
Just cause that is your opinion, does not make it so… just like repeatedly insisting kids have the same mental capacity as adults doesn’t make it so.
“And a Brazilian high court has just ruled, that a man having sex with a prostitute who is underage, should not be treated as if he has raped or charmed any 12 year old, but the 12 year old’s behaviour has to be taken into account”
Then Brazil is totally fucked up. Maybe you should move there. Seems like your kind of scene.
And Futrelle’s smear campaign consisted of what, exactly?
it’s not a smear, dude. it’s an accurate statement of what you did.
and it’s not a campaign. david said it once. it was you who repeated it over and over in increasingly whiny detail.
@Steele/Varphole/Torvus Butthorn :)
“But I hardly think I was the one who came out of it looking the worse.”
Um, yes you did. That may have something to do with you being a woman hating, cowardly, and paranoid buttplug.
“It’s you who dismiss and ignore men’s pain and men’s issues, you vile jackass.”
We do no such thing. You create imaginary pain and issues, and blame them all on women, which detracts from the real problems men face, such as racism, poverty, gangs, prison rape, and man on man violent crime. These problems cause drastically more pain to men than your pet issues of false rape accusations and imprisonment for child support debt, yet the MRM is largely silent on them. When we refuse to play along and pretend to see your imaginary pain and issues, you say that we are ignoring men’s pain, and therefore – misandry!. We are doing no such thing. We simply think you’re talking out of your ass to support your woman hating agenda.
says the self confessed liar
Regardless, I maintain that Boobzland requires the injection of compassion and truth. If I had to adopt a moniker to further said goal, so be it.
Sure I lied, but I did it to bring you peons the truth!
Apparently compassion is best expressed by being really, really tedious. Who knew?