The Lighter Side of Tom Martin (the repulsive British MRA)
Not Tom Martin
The other day we took a look at some of the more reprehensible opinions of Tom Martin, one of the UK’s most prominent Men’s Rights Activists and a man who evidently believes that child prostitutes are taking the easy way out to avoid having to get real jobs. He returned with even worse stuff, which I highlighted in my previous post.
Happily for all of us, not all of Martin’s views are this reprehensible. Many are merely ridiculous. So, today, let’s look at the Lighter Side of Tom Martin, as evidenced by some of his recent comments here on Man Boobz.
Martin apparently spent last Sunday working on a video project which involved him buttonholing passers-by on the streets of London and asking them questions in order to “prove” his various crackpot theories about gender. Here’s how he explained one aspect of his video research:
After shooting my video experiment tomorrow to discover who is more sexist on the street, women or women, I will be shooting another short, investigating if there is a correlation between unfunny women and prostitution ethic. I believe women could be as funny as men on average if they tried, but instead, invest in whoring strategies. I have a reliable street experiment to investigate this hypothesis also …
If I can establish that women can be as funny as men (in a zero prostitution environment), then this video experiment will be released in a news piece, and used as a springboard to pre-sell the feature-length documentary it will form a part of, on a related topic.
Good luck with that!
Martin also took on the contentious (to him) subject of male baldness, a topic of intense interest to him, due to certain factors with regard to gender and misandry … er, long story short, he’s bald. Sorry, balding.
After one commenter here suggested that Martin’s ambition was to become a sort of “Ann Coulter … with less hair and more swearing,” he took umbrage – not at the comparison to Coulter but at the bit about hair.
Well Cassandra, there are five new baldness treatments in the pipeline, but no drugs for treating a receding personality, so what are you going to do?
In a followup comment, the man whose favorite word in the English language is “whore,” used as an insult, declared we were being a bunch of evil meanies for even mentioning the whole (lack of) hair thing:
Cassandra, thanks to your receding personality (for which there is already a cure – renunciation therapy), I have decided for my filmed experiment tomorrow to also measure the degree to which each sex is prepared to make physical insults about the other sex.
Even if you specifically were fat for instance, and it was all your own fault because you refuse to get a job, I would never mention it in a debate with you. I debated an obese woman once. She ordered a pizza whilst we were still on stage, but I did not refer to it at the time, because of the most basic standards of decorum.
This I believe was an attempt at a joke.
How many manboobzers are prepared now to concur that Cassandra was being a douche by picking on an involuntary physiological characteristic of a debating opponent? And then encouraging others to do the same?
Of course, in Martin’s mind, mocking women as fat whores is totally cool, because:
Fatness is a choice, ladies, and so is being a whore. Going bald (currently) is not, due to poor efficacy of available treatments, including transplants. That will change, if Aderans, Histogen, Replicel, Allergen and Tsuji-Lab among others have anything to do with it. All you need to do in the meantime is shut the fuck up until they sort it out. The apparent acceptability of attacking the bald though, is a great example of the lack of equality men have. People do not generally attack or humiliate women who are going bald – but when it’s a man…
Uh, yeah, that’s why virtually every bald or balding woman wears a hat or a wig, while bald or balding men just comb it over or shave it all off.
Evidently Martin feels that even a mention of his lack of hair is some kind of hate crime. Here, prominent Bald Rights Activist Larry David tries to convince authorities to investigate a similar hate crime against him.
Note to Martin: Larry David’s show, “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is fictional.
(Note: Tom Martin has confirmed that this is indeed him posting comments here on Man Boobz by sending an email from the account associated with his website Sexismbusters.org. Also, he’s retweeted quotes from his comments here. Contact him via his web site if you are skeptical.)
Posted on July 16, 2012, in antifeminism, evil fat fatties, hypocrisy, irony alert, men who should not ever be with women ever, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, Tom Martin, whores. Bookmark the permalink. 651 Comments.
Since there’s no way that couples are going to stop giving each other gifts, things like birthdays and holidays being built into most cultures, the only remaining solution would be for all couples to stop having sex.
Yeah, this is going to work out great.
Yep, it’d be a world full of cushiony chairs but either no gifts or no sexytimes.
And all because Tom’s penis is not a valuable commodity. Oh, the humanity!!
For those tired of Martin’s bilious boorishness, John the Other has a LOVELY article up on AVfM all about how Taslima Nasreen, a Bangladeshi feminist, is in his opinion an “imbecile” and has a nine-year-old’s mentality. PS the subject is acid attacks; JtO chooses only the least loaded, most appropriate topics over which to call someone an imbecile and ask “what about teh menz?”
It may not be the best way to seek relief from Tom Martin.
I have a nine-year-old child, and I have to say that if I had to compare him with one of those two, it wouldn’t be Taslima Nasreen.
“And all because Tom’s penis is not a valuable commodity. Oh, the humanity!!”
Watch out when you say that, remember how he reacted to the observation that he has less hair than Ann Coulter.
Tulgey Logger:
Taslima is actually pretty cool — when she got her Freethought Blogs gig, she pissed off a lot of people with her attitude towards sex work (conflating it with slavery), but managed to be mature about it and stand her ground without starting drama (unlike some people I could mention *cough*thunderf00t*cough*) and is a well-respected member of the community. She also created her own name for reasons that perhaps are a little silly objectively, but from her point of view, are rather cool. I’m not a regular reader, but I kinda like her anyway.
Gah! The bald thing pisses me off. I’m going bald too, but FIVE treatments are in development?! Are you fucking kidding me?! Do you know how many antibiotics are in development? Do you know how many people have died from a lack of hair?
I saw Taslima’s post on acid attacks. It’s horrifying.
As for baldness … well, my husband is, let’s say, thinning on top, and my attitude is “Who cares?”
2-D Man said:-
Gah! The bald thing pisses me off… Do you know how many people have died from a lack of hair?
2-D, several people have died from lack of hair, as the bullying, marginalization and depression has driven them to suicide. Male pattern baldness also correlates with increased risk of prostate cancer, and heart disease. The increased risk of heart disease might partly be as a result of the marginalizing effect suffered by bullied and statistically less popular bald people. Bald people are perceived as less socially competent, less physically attractive, less trustworthy, and less popular, by the general population (although perceived as more intelligent). A bald male internet dating profile gets five times less clicks than the same profile with full hair. Front bench MPs are more likely to have hair than back benchers. Good hair is the second most important feature as a predictor of life success, behind good skin.
Those are serious disadvantages that bald people have to overcome every day. Some people go bald by the time they’re 20. There are companies working on treatments for this, and you are complaining?
What an idiot.
Even if you want to pretend that baldness doesn’t matter, and that people’s attitudes need to change, to stop bullying bald people, then why aren’t you speaking up against all the baldist bullying comments here?
Because you are a manboobzer?
Anyone affected by baldness can follow all the latest developments here:
http://www.thebaldtruth.com/
If you knew what you were talking about, you’d realize, there are people so devastated by hair loss, that they simply refuse to leave the house.
Expect a partial cure by 2016, and if you’re not balding, count yourself lucky you won’t be shelling out several thousands for the treatment.
The Larry David scene was exactly right. The police officer was also black-skinned, so even if he did have male pattern baldness, his bald patch would not contrast as drastically as it does with a white person’s bald patch showing through their typically dark hair.
2-D man was using the argument that there are more important things to worry about, like we have to cure everything else before we cure baldness. There are no panaceas though, so we need to do what we can, where we can. Furthermore, hair follicles are actually organs,
so if scientists can replicate those, then the technology will probably apply to other medical breakthroughs too.
Furthermore, they may have cloned a wind-pipe for instance, and successfully transplanted it into a human, but it is hardly eye-catching. When bald men suddenly show up with full heads of real hair, this will signal the real beginning of the stem cell age – and a reminder to everyone, that organs can be regenerated, and that stemcell research is real, and should be invested in.
It doesn’t surprise me a manboobzer would take a luddite view of it all though.
There are people so devastated by hair loss that they refuse to leave the house? Huh. Perhaps they have problems that go beyond hair loss? And yeah, put me on the bandwagon of those who disdain wind-pipe cloning and transplants but can’t wait to see formerly bald men sporting full heads of hair. Priorities, people, priorities!
Good to know, though, that you’re not against stem cell research despite all those embryos that end up being discarded.
omigod, tom, you make owlslave look stoic by comparison
Child prostitution – No big deal, according to Tom Martin
Baldness – Worst thing that can happen to a person
Ahahaha, apparently his load-bearing buttock pads aren’t his only tender spot.
Rampant baldism!!! BALDISM!
I’d forgotten about that, but although I may have nicked a minor vein, you, apparently, hit the jugular!
If you knew what you were talking about, you’d realize there are people so devastated by bacterial infections, that they simply refuse to leave their coffins! But since those people aren’t white British guys, you just don’t give a shit, do ya, Tommy-boy?
Here’s something from a BBC article on the effects of baldness…
A recent survey found that 39% of men interviewed were anxious about hair loss.
Young adults (aged 18-24) fear going bald twice as much as older men and more than putting on weight and going grey.
Elizabeth Steel, founder of the support group Hairline International… said…
“When I first launched Hairline it was for women who had lost their hair, but I was amazed at the response I got from men.
“Baldness caused them far more suffering than I had ever imagined.
“Baldness does not hurt physically, but it does cause so much suffering across the board: people lose confidence, marriages break down, careers are ruined and it can lead to suicide attempts.”
2-D Man still seems to think we should cure everything else first. Stupidity is treatable now!
@ Pam
Which is funny in that I wasn’t even aiming for it. Imagine how he’d react if any of us were as nasty to him as he is to, say, child prostitutes.
Tom, I’m surprised anyone noticed your baldness, seeing as your head is completely up your ass.
Bald is not a disability, but perhaps you could sue your mom?
“Stupidity is treatable now!”
…so is depression.
Unlike TB, which won’t be for much longer if we don’t get on that whole antibiotic thing. Math time! (My favorite time of day!)
CDC data is good by you right Tom? You aren’t going to pull an NWO and laugh at gov’n data? (I can pull up NHS data if you’d prefer, that’d be reasonable)
CDC — TB first — “There were 547 deaths from TB in 2009, the most recent year for which these data are available. Compared to 2008 data, when 590 deaths from TB occurred, this represents a 7% decrease in TB deaths.”
Next, suicide, this one is going to be slightly more complex. “In 2009, suicide was ranked as the 10th leading cause of death among persons ages 10 years and older, accounting for 36,891 deaths.” Let’s round up and say 25% had health related factors. “Males take their own lives at nearly four times the rate of females and represent 78.8% of all U.S. suicides.”
Now for the math — 80% of 36,891 is 29,512 (that’s the number of male suicides, in the US, in 2009) — 25% of that is 7,378. Do you have a citation for the % of male suicides that had baldness as the precipitating health issue? Fuck, I’ll be generous and call it half, it make for easy math while not totally ignoring things like incurable diseases and whatnot. That’s 3,689 — at absolute fucking most, baldness causes 6.25 as many deaths as TB.
Except guess what? That’s boring old regular TB, not that nasty MDR-TB, or XDR-TB, or fuck, TDR-TB — that last one? Nothing kills it. Just a little concerned now that maybe TB is actually still a problem we should be putting research into finding antibiotics for?
(Oh and btw? I didn’t account for the fact that the majority of male suicides are elderly, they’ve been bald for quite some time in other words)
So I can’t speak for 2D-man here, but I speak for myself when I say — I don’t give a shit if y’all cure male pattern baldness, not nearly as much as I care whether we’re going to have unstoppable TB on our hands again.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAahhhhhhhhhh baldist bullying omg
serious social justice issues: bald discrimination, chairs being too hard, people accepting gifts from their partners, penguins
not serious social justice issues: child prostitution
I see you have your priorities straight
PENGUINS!! Hey, that could be a serious issue…we are melting Antarctica out from under them…
> Rags on 10 year olds
> Whines about bladism
Oh, Tom…
@CassandraSays,
I didn’t think that you were aiming for it… in fact, I thought his initial remarks to you about the “less hair” (I went back and sought it out when you mentioned it) were his being hyperbolic. Apparently NOT.
Yeah, serious social justice issues are ALL ABOUT whatever are TOM’S personal issues.
I mean, yes, it’s shitty to be graded as person based on some conventional idea of beauty that somehow, you’re supposed to conform to right off the bat or else you’re UNDESIRABLE. I get that, but…really, Tom? After all of the disgusting shit you’ve said?
Me: “Making fun of bald people is not fair and you shouldn’t do it.”
Manboobzers: “He thinks baldness is worse than AIDS!”
Me (to self): “Oh, they seem to have misinterpreted what I said. I will just explain it more clearly with one more… nah, fuck it. They obviously can’t read.”
Uh, not AIDS actually, children being raped. Are you saying that’s a misinterpretation?
Tom you are a clown, thx for making me laugh. You also are a terrible terrible person but fortunately your own stupidity should prevent you from doing much harm to the world.
-LOVE JUMBOFISH
Wow. I’m having some difficulties with Mr MH and feeling pretty bummed about it, but compared to Tom Martin Mr MH is a positive saint.
(BTW I miss you guys and I still lurk, it’s just hard to keep up and contribute what with babby et al.)
And who knew but Telly Savalas RAWR.
Baldness oppression? seriously? There are tons of extremely successful people who are bald, including people who are considered conventionally attractive (actors like vin disel and bruce willis come to mind), and also a ton of politicians. Feeling held back by appearance is different than actually being held back by appearance (though of course feeling held back is something that virtually everyone experiences, unless puberty was a time of complete confidence for everyone but me).
Anyway, all this “lets put research towards X because it is more important” is a factory view of science (where science is a factory with a product that can be dictated), but it really doesn’t work that way. X-rays were discovered by trying to figure out why a repeatable experiment resulted in goo being deposited on the inside of a vaccuum tube. Germs were discovered via microscopes, which were made because of optics experiements. A lot of the technology we have resulted from chance or because of the nature of the problem to be solved (maybe it is much simpler to cure baldness than drug resistant bacteria). It is not as though scientists are totally interchangable either, what scientist A can be useful working on may not be true of scientist B, so trying to funnel them all into say, cancer research would not neccesarily work.
There is also the issue of results- the results of the baldness research might be useful for some other problem down the road. It is impossible to know.
Of course none of this makes tom’s argument any more sensible, just a minor gripe on my part about the discussion of science. He is obviously a man who is incredibly narcissistic and his sense of entitlement in the world is absolutely absurd.
No, Tom, please do continue explaining your well-thought out, compassionate, socially aware ideas to us. Nice Gaius™ is very interested in what you have to say:
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3q4ref/
I think by AIDS he must mean my rant about TB? Except one of those is actually (usually) easily killed with antibiotics and big names want better antibiotics to fight it (that is, MSF would like better TB drugs, now please)
Me: “Child prostitution should be illegal, but it is not rape”.
Manboobzers: “He thinks child rape is okay”.
Me: “No, I already said I don’t, at the point when I said child rape is not okay.”
Manboobzers: “He definitely thinks child rape is okay!”
Me: “Well, see you.”
Manboobzers: “Yeah, whatever, rape apologist.”
Me: “Er… See you then.”
Manboobzers: “Rape!”
If you pay a child for sex thats rape
If you sleep with a child thats rape
WHAT IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT TO HAVE SEX WITH ADULTS YOU SICK FUCK.
Cool story, bro.
Oh, whoops. I meant, BALD bro.
Yes, but you don’t seem to be complying with the regimen.
Tom Martin: “Child prostitutes should be put back in school, or if repeat offenders, prosecuted for attempting to profit by preying on the mentally ill pedo population.”
Rest of the World: What the fuck is wrong with you? Child prostitutes preying on adult pedophiles? How far up your ass is your head?
Tom Martin: Have you renounced prostitution yet, 97% of women?
Rest of the World: This is a man who is taking himself seriously? How does he fucking breathe when he simply must say “prostitute” so much?
Tom Martin: Prostitutes.
Rest of the World: Get help, you strange, sad little man.
Yeah, you said it’s not okay because it’s so rough on the poor pedophiles.
Just think of a bald pedophile. (With a skinny bum.) He must be the most oppressed person in the world!
Tom, it’s way past too late to try to spin what you’ve said in any kind of positive light.
Truly no burden is as heavy as that of bonyassism.
The baldness research in question is being carried out privately. Those funding the research would see little benefit from releasing their results and doing so could help others beat them to a baldness cure. I would think it exceptionally unlikely that any results will be released for public consumption.
In addition, I agree that science ought to be pursued for knowledge’s sake, but drug research falls more under the umbrella of applied science and engineering than basic research, where a factory view isn’t necessarily damaging. (One needs, of course, a broader view than just the factory as well.)
Long hath it bent my back, and pained my coccyx. What misandric God would punish us so!!
Jumbofish said,
If you pay a child for sex thats rape
If you sleep with a child thats rape
WHAT IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT TO HAVE SEX WITH ADULTS YOU SICK FUCK.
Yes, Jumbofish, according to the evidence, child prostitutes can and do consent to sex with adults, whether this makes you angry at me or not.
Here’s a bunch of child prostitutes talking you through the process of how they consent:
http://www.readperiodicals.com/201010/2337139671.html#b
I am as disgusted as anyone, that these children are prostitutes, but I am not prepared to lie to myself, about who is ultimately responsible for those children’s actions.
Of course, the hoary old Marxist argument for ADULTS choosing prostitution, is that the women had no other choice, due to economic imperatives. Only trouble with that argument, is that between 1998 and 2008 – a time of unparralled economic growth (and increase in job opportunities for women with positive discrimination implementation across professions) the numbers of female prostitutes still increased. This period was also the period of a renewed crusade to reinvent the “sex slavery” and “sex trafficking” myths though – so blinkered feminist drones will have become increasingly convinced during this period of prostitutions’ seamingly increasingly real claim to victim status, rather than the diminishing claim due to increased opportunities in non-prostitution economies.
Your argument has been raped (so to speak), but that’s about as far as it goes.
And yeah, researching new TB antibiotics might prove hard, or have other benefits, but afaik, it simply isn’t being done (almost certainly because developed nations largely don’t have MDR-TB, XDR-TB, etc). They’re still using the same antibiotics from like the 50s (which, having had the wonder of the first line drugs, require another pill so they don’t trash your liver…that’s the first line drug, they only get nastier from there).
Other, simpler, MSF requests re: TB — child sized doses of the current drugs. Making smaller pills can’t be that damned hard can it?
Lol, speaking of my liver, vodka anyone?
Also, for shits and giggles.
Tom Martin, you are dumb.
Actually Tom calls more for tequila, since I tend to associate it with laughter.
No my argument has not been forced into an unwanted sexual situation or unable to consent to sexual contact. Arguments cant be raped, nor can people rape arguments…..
Kindly fuck off CREEP.
I found the perfect chair for Tom: http://www.regretsy.com/2012/07/16/the-power-of-nut-stool/
Child prostitutes say “yes” to sex with adults. (Sometimes. Other times they don’t.) This does not mean that they made a free choice between “have a happy normal childhood with a stable home and plenty to eat” and “be a child prostitute,” and they thought the latter just sounded fun.
I’m not sure how that’s Marxist.
My personal argument is that if you can pay someone to give you a backrub, you can pay someone to give you a dickrub. (And the fact that you can get a free backrub from a partner doesn’t mean that hiring a massage therapist is somehow immoral.) Just treat your service provider well and respect their limits.
You’re all class.
BUT IT SHOULD TOTALLY BE ILLEGAL YOU GUISE
Tom Martin: class act.
Well, you’re certainly making a valiant attempt to lie to the rest of us about it then.
Oh man, I’d totally buy that except for feeling like 98% certain that the creator, ahem, “checked the fit” several times and did not wipe it off after.
I’m not “as disgusted as anyone” at those children. Anyone who could read those stories and come to the conclusions you have disgusts me more than I can possibly express.
“Actually Tom calls more for tequila, since I tend to associate it with laughter.”
I don’t have any, but I just cracked open a fresh bottle of vodka I’d be happy to share if it’d help make his stupidity go down easier.
Another rationalization hamster courtesy of Tom Martin:
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3q4s2g/
Although I think it may be giving him much too much credit.
So you’re saying that during an economic boom, while the economy was being liquidated, and there was all kinds of money flowing around for luxury services, supply for prostitution increased?
And you’re saying that people who watch for things like sex trafficking became more concerned about sex trafficking during this same time when there was more disposable income flowing around for luxuries and prostitution increased.
Surely there’s some sort of coherent narrative that ties together these facts using simple economic theories such as increases in disposable wealth leading to higher demand for luxuries and that higher demand spurring higher supply, or perhaps that supply being acquired at the expense of subjugated and marginalized people outside of first-world countries. But if such a narrative exists, it is beyond the grasp of a mere Engineering Physics graduate like me. We’d better turn to a Gender Studies graduate whose claim to fame is a failed lawsuit about the skinnyness of his own butt.
You know, Mr. Martin, if this was the only thing you ever said on this blog then you would be correct. No one should make fun of a person not having hair especially if that person is sensitive about it. Teasing someone is generally not very nice.
Unfortunately that is not what you have said about this topic. You have said “OH MY GOD IF YOU ARE BALD YOUR LIFE IS OVER AND NO ONE WILL LOVE YOU AND AND AND” after saying the utterly horrific “child prostitutes are nothing but criminals who prey on innocent pedophiles” and other equally disgusting and horrifying things.
So yeah, that little line you said there that I quoted? It is filtered through our seeing what a pox you are which means that if you had a decent point, it is lost in the muck that you have thrown on our computers.
Everyone has a choice about whether to be a prostitute or not.
I was finishing with a girlfriend recently, and she wasn’t very happy about it. She then revealed to me that her family had won the lottery (250,000 Euros), and said that we could live in one of their properties, on a Mediterranean beach. She was trying to keep me interested, but I can honestly say, that although I liked her, I didn’t love her, and the offer of the free property did not make one fraction of a difference to my decision to terminate the relationship. The thought did not even cross my mind for a single moment. That’s why I know I’m not a [word redacted by DF].
It actually turned me off, that she was trying to keep me interested in this way.
I believe, that offers of money also turn women off, physically, but that they are encouraged
by the culture and their families and friends, to make the compromise, accept the freebies, and over-ride their sexual instincts, to instead put up with financed but loveless, orgasmless marriages, and that this compromise is so widespread, it induces an under-achievement cultural norm for women all round.
Footballer rapes another footballer. Referee says play on…
Speaking of baldness, my father is actually proud to be bald, says his hair was too proud to turn grey so it jumped right of his head (granted, I’d need to down the entire fresh bottle of vodka to be as drunk as he usually is, but still, point stands).
Tom — Go back to penguins please, you really were funny then.
Tom is a hamster.
@Tom
No.
Cloudiah,
There are several baldness drugs that are also effective for prostate, both on the market, and under investigation, like S-Equol for one:
http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=9067
Reason #45618942184321654 MRABROs can fuck off of trying to advocate for my gender.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3q4t93/
Here’s one that’s no hamster but I think it works :D
It’s child prostitution, not rape, because the child asked for cash up front, set a price, then took the money, and performed the agreed act.
I’d pass a lie detector on this one.
Manboobzers probably don’t agree with lie detectors.