MRA theologian: “Mary Magdalene … fucked an alien to get preggers and got Joe the carpenter to pay for it all.”

He looks just like his father.

Welcome, my friends, to the First Church of Misogynist Crackpottery. Today’s sermon will be delivered by The Very Extremely Reverend  AfOR, visiting from The Spearhead. He has many wise words on the topics of Mary Magdalene (Mother of God), space  aliens, and cunts.

Sorry, xtainity was always a crock of shit, and I have seen inside it deeper than most….

Today, in the 21st century, we can for the first time create a pregnant virgin, so 2,000 years ago “god” was an alien, or a figment of imagination.

2,000 years ago Mary Magdalene even if impregnated via test tube in the lab on the alien space ship, gave birth via the cunt, so no tight virginity there.

Ever since then, the holy trinity…

1/ God, an ethreal being that no-one ever saw, except jesus, so if he existed he was an alien ship doctor.. eg he was NOT human.

2/ Jesus, who was NOT human, even the biblical teachings stress this point, he was not a man.

3/ Mary Magdalene, the only human, and therefore the MOST REVERED human in the religion is a wimminz, who fucked an alien to get preggers and got Joe the carpenter to pay for it all and feed and house them.

“Chivalry” in the middle ages was literally based on worship of Mary Magdalen’s cunt, and the chivalric symbology and iconography is replete with cunt symbolism, right down to the order of the garter.

The only remotely male centric tenets of christianity were lifted wholesale from other religions and beliefs and incorporated in an early example of embrace and extend.

Christianity has NEVER been a man’s religion.

Hell even the pristhood, the highest echelons of the meme, were not allowed to fuck.

Thanks to scarletpipistrelle for pointing me to AfOR’s  wonderfully imaginative theological thinking.

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Posted on July 15, 2012, in crackpottery, grandiosity, I'm totally being sarcastic, incoherent rage, matriarchy, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, shit that never happened, the c-word, the spearhead. Bookmark the permalink. 179 Comments.

  1. Stephen Blue, are you MR AL?

    The First Joe:

    Hahahahaa!
    There are so many levels of funny here.
    I particularly like where peeps are gleefully correcting AFoR’s bizarro version of a fictional cult book as though it was actually For Realz.
    Comedy gold!

    Something doesn’t have to be “For Realz” for the truth value of statements about it ot matter. If I say Mr. Spock is a character in Star Wars, I’d be wrong.

  2. thebionicmommy

    Of course I don’t think he is right about Christianity being about worshipping Mary’s [expletive] but I do think he is right about Christianity being a female dominate religion.

    No, Christianity is a male dominated religion. We’ve gone over that already

  3. @creativewritingstudent, yeah that sounds about right. When they discuss it (I confess I don’t go to their sites very often) it seems to be all about getting laid as a right, goal, entitlement, whatever, for themselves and the vagina-owners as an obstacle to those ends.

  4. So this is how “tolerant” ManBoobz behaves when they don’t like someone! Is this person’s beliefs any more absurd than all the liberals and feminists who believe Stone Henge was made by aliens?

    I don’t know of any feminists who believe that Stone Henge was made by aliens. But the belief that aliens made Stonehenge is just as absurd as AfOR’s belief in aliens inseminating Mary. Whether you are a feminist or a liberal or whatnot is irrelevant: these are just plain silly things to believe in.

    It’s strange but if it’s what he believes, isn’t he entitled to his beliefs or does being an MRA and a man take that way from him?

    No, AfOR is entitled to his beliefs. MRAs are entitled to their beliefs. Men are entitled to their beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs.

    But no one is entitled to expound on their belief without receiving criticism. AfOR is free to have his beliefs and those of us who disagree with him are free to criticize and mock those beliefs.

    Personally, I don’t think this is any weirder than all the Holy Mother Goddess talk or “aliens killed JFK” talk that many feminists engage in.

    I’m perfectly happy to criticize the beliefs of feminists when I think they are wrong. And I’m sure that there are plenty of feminists out there who believe really strange things (as people in general tend to believe in strange things). But I’ve never once come across a feminist claiming that aliens killed JFK. What sort of feminists do you talk to?

    Of course I don’t think he is right about Christianity being about worshipping Mary’s [expletive] but I do think he is right about Christianity being a female dominate religion.

    Most of the Biblical prophets are male. The Savior of Humankind was male. God the Father is referred to as male. The twelve apostles were male. Most pastors are male. The Catholic Church will not allow women to be priests; every pope has been male. Sin was brought into the world because Eve, a woman, was fooled. Paul wrote that women should veil their heads, submit to their husbands, and not have authority over men.

    But Christianity is a female dominated religion. Right.

  5. @VoIP

    No and I have no idea who this Al person is.

    @thebionicmommy

    Except you knuckleheads analyzed it completely wrong. Not that I would expect otherwise from an echo chamber like this.

    “If you ignore the emphasis some preachers put on girls to remain “pure” for their future husband, and to understand that “boys will be boys”,”

    Except the idea is that girls have purity and are good, whereas boys are monsters just waiting to rape somebody.

    “If you ignore the entire Quiverull movement, which describes one of its goals as establishing Christian patriarchy,”

    If YOU ignore that the Quiverfulls are a fringe group widely considered crazy by most mainstream people, including other Christians. They’ve twisted the religion to suit their own purposes. Anyone can twist anything to say what they want, that doesn’t mean that’s the intention behind it.

    “If you ignore how few churches allow women to be priests or pastors,”

    Because the idea is that women should not have to work. This is changing a lot now anyways.

  6. And how come you can put words in those block things and I can’t?

  7. You’re not real bright, are you Stephen?

  8. {blockquote} text text text {/blockquote} only using greater than and less than signs instead of curly brackets

  9. Stephen, it’s super-seekrit feminist HTML. We could tell you, but we’d get kicked out of the club.

  10. Oh noes!! I spilled the beans. *hangs head*

  11. Is this person’s beliefs any more absurd than all the liberals and feminists who believe Stone Henge was made by aliens? Is it really? It’s strange but if it’s what he believes, isn’t he entitled to his beliefs or does being an MRA and a man take that way from him? Yeah, that’s what I thought!

    …You know people can’t respond to you in the middle of your post, right? I know whatever we say will confirm your bias anyway, but at least pretend to listen before deciding you’re right.

    Personally, I don’t think this is any weirder than all the Holy Mother Goddess talk or “aliens killed JFK” talk that many feminists engage in.

    I sincerely doubt you know what the word “feminist” means.

  12. @Anathema

    “I don’t know of any feminists who believe that Stone Henge was made by aliens. But the belief that aliens made Stonehenge is just as absurd as AfOR’s belief in aliens inseminating Mary. Whether you are a feminist or a liberal or whatnot is irrelevant: these are just plain silly things to believe in.”

    You’re kidding, right? Plenty of wishy washy liberals and patriarchy conspiracy theorist feminists believe all kinds of things along those lines, from Stone Henge to alien abductions. So do some paranoid new world order conservatives like that one weird guy who comes here sometimes (I think he is one of you trolling to make the MRA look bad because he makes no sense.) but IN GENERAL I find these believes are generally slightly more common among liberals and feminists than other groups. But no group is without someone who believes something that seems weird or silly. That’s why I try to be tolerant.

    “I’m perfectly happy to criticize the beliefs of feminists when I think they are wrong. And I’m sure that there are plenty of feminists out there who believe really strange things (as people in general tend to believe in strange things). But I’ve never once come across a feminist claiming that aliens killed JFK. What sort of feminists do you talk to?”

    OK, I admit the “aliens killed JFK” thing was a bit of hyperbole on my part. I’ve never met anyone, feminists or otherwise, who said that precise thing.

    But I’ve met plenty of feminists who believe in alien abductions and plenty of feminists who believe in conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination. One of the most ardent feminists I know in real life (you know, that thing ManBoobz never want to be part of) also says she was abducted by aliens as a child and such things are common among feminists. Now not all feminists believe this and not everyone who claims to be abducted by aliens is a feminist, but there’s a huge overlap. Believing in a patriarchy primes you to believe in other ridiculous things.

  13. Unimaginative

    No and I have no idea who this Al person is.

    Isn’t that what he says EVERY TIME he starts sockpuppetting? And then, 5 comments later, he’s all “Well, of course it’s me”.

  14. Hello.

  15. @Freitag:

    Thank you, you actually seem to be a decent person.

  16. @ Gametime:

    I sincerely doubt you know what the word “feminist” means.

    LOL. I think you might be the one who doesn’t know, buddy!

  17. creativewritingstudent

    Well, we understand there’s a difference between “Feminist” and “Neo-pagan”, although some Neo-pagans are Feminists and some Feminists are Neo-pagans…

  18. And some Neo-Pagans are misogynists.

  19. Dude, you clearly have no idea how much, much work is involved in running a home, with children and a husband when you do not have access to running water, electricity, grocery stores and in fact any modern conveniences of life that became commonplace since the 1950′s. Its a shit ton of work and the women were up and working long before their husbands and long after their husbands went to bed. Add to this that women worked in the fields, factories and mines or in the family business and the only work women were saved from was deadlifting more than their own body weight in equipment.

    So how has Christianity saved women from work again?

  20. But I’ve met plenty of feminists who believe in alien abductions and plenty of feminists who believe in conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination. One of the most ardent feminists I know in real life (you know, that thing ManBoobz never want to be part of) also says she was abducted by aliens as a child and such things are common among feminists.

    You know, that doesn’t discredit the rest of her ideas. Newton believed in alchemy and Dostoevsky was an anti-Semite, but that doesn’t make universal gravitation wrong or The Brothers Karamazov a bad book. This is either a dumb, lazy argument or just trolling.

  21. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    @ Stephen Blue – “You’re kidding, right? Plenty of wishy washy liberals and patriarchy conspiracy theorist feminists believe all kinds of things along those lines, from Stone Henge to alien abductions. So do some paranoid new world order conservatives like that one weird guy who comes here sometimes (I think he is one of you trolling to make the MRA look bad because he makes no sense.) but IN GENERAL I find these believes are generally slightly more common among liberals and feminists than other groups. But no group is without someone who believes something that seems weird or silly. That’s why I try to be tolerant.”

    This is the single best paragraph ever. I wish I could give it a medal.

  22. But I’ve met plenty of feminists who believe in alien abductions and plenty of feminists who believe in conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination.

    Never happened.

  23. I’m sorry. I have to reply with this non-sequitur. Mary, the virgin mother of Jesus, blah blah, and Mary Magdalene are not the same person. We know that, right?

    And maybe Christianity is a female religion if you count the subjugation of women and the taboo against birth control and abortion as being female-centric. If you count that women were placed on the bottom of the Jesus/church/daddy/mom hierarchy as woman-centric. If you count the nine million women burned at the stake in Europe by the Christian church as woman-centric, the, sure. I guess.

  24. So do some paranoid new world order conservatives like that one weird guy who comes here sometimes (I think he is one of you trolling to make the MRA look bad because he makes no sense.)

    “People who resort to wild conspiracy theories to explain events are ridiculous! That’s why I’m sure these comments are all part of a big covert scheme to discredit us.”

  25. Argenti Aertheri

    “I particularly like where peeps are gleefully correcting AFoR’s bizarro version of a fictional cult book as though it was actually For Realz.”

    I’ll catch up on the rest in a moment, but have to note that damn, some times we want a joke post instead of pro-child-rape shit. A bit of a break from the gross shit, you know?

  26. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    I can almost imagine him out with a clipboard

    “Hello, madam! Are you a feminist?”
    “Well that depends on how you define…”
    “Excellent. And do you believe in conspiracies about the JFK assassination?”
    “Do you mean am I convinced of the veracity of one of more or these theories, or do I believe that the theories themselves exist?”
    “I’ll mark you down as a yes. And how about aliens, are they real?”
    “Well, it’s a big universe. Perhaps out there somewhere…”
    “Tick for UFOlogist. Much obliged, madam, have a super day!”

  27. You’re kidding, right? Plenty of wishy washy liberals and patriarchy conspiracy theorist feminists believe all kinds of things along those lines, from Stone Henge to alien abductions. So do some paranoid new world order conservatives like that one weird guy who comes here sometimes (I think he is one of you trolling to make the MRA look bad because he makes no sense.) but IN GENERAL I find these believes are generally slightly more common among liberals and feminists than other groups. That’s why I try to be tolerant.

    I’ve known liberals who have believed that Earth had been visited by aliens. There are probably plenty of those. (Well, maybe not “plenty” — certainly more than I’d like though). And I suppose given the number of feminists out there, I suppose it wouldn’t be surprising if a few feminists believed that aliens built Stone Henge. But I certainly haven’t met them.

    I’ve known both conservatives and liberals who hold utterly bizarre beliefs. There are some absurd beliefs that liberals are more likely to hold, and some that conservatives are more likely to hold. But I’m not sure which group has the most absurd beliefs. In any case, any answer I gave here would be largely based on personal experience and rather tinted by confirmation bias, so it wouldn’t be worth much. But yes, there are extremists and fools in any group.

    Also, what do you mean by patriarchy conspiracy theorist? I’m sure you could find some feminist out there who believes that patriarchy is the result of some vast conspiracy against women. But that’s not the view of most feminists. And it’s certainly not the view of most of the feminists who comment on Manboobz.

    But I’ve met plenty of feminists who believe in alien abductions and plenty of feminists who believe in conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination. One of the most ardent feminists I know in real life (you know, that thing ManBoobz never want to be part of) also says she was abducted by aliens as a child and such things are common among feminists.Now not all feminists believe this and not everyone who claims to be abducted by aliens is a feminist, but there’s a huge overlap.

    I’ve known conservative anti-feminists who believe that aliens are responsible for building crop circles and the Easter Island heads, that Vitamin C is a cure-all being suppressed by the FDA and Big Pharma, and that Barack Obama won the 2008 election using hypnotism.

    By your logic, I could argue that all of these beliefs are correlated with anti-feminism.

    Believing in a patriarchy primes you to believe in other ridiculous things.

    Care to explain why you think this is the case? What makes you think that the idea of patriarchy is so ridiculous?

  28. creativewritingstudent

    @pillowinhell

    I’m reminded of this teenage Twilight fan who was whining on Youtube that Feminism was an awful, awful thing because her parents were making her get a job and that before Feminism she would have sat at home in luxury.

    I have no desire to dig it up because a) Youtube is huge and b) extreme Twilight fans are screechy.

  29. Argenti Aertheri

    Ok properly caught up now, first, re: brainfax :)

    Now onto Stephen Blue!

    So this is how “tolerant” ManBoobz behaves when they don’t like someone! Is this person’s beliefs any more absurd than all the liberals and feminists who believe Stone Henge was made by aliens? Is it really? It’s strange but if it’s what he believes, isn’t he entitled to his beliefs or does being an MRA and a man take that way from him? Yeah, that’s what I thought! Personally, I don’t think this is any weirder than all the Holy Mother Goddess talk or “aliens killed JFK” talk that many feminists engage in.

    Yeah I mock the stonehedge thing too, never heard the “aliens killed JFK” one (though everyone and their brother seems to have a theory on JFK’s death) — and I don’t find the idea of goddesses any sillier than the idea of gods (note that we’re mocking the aliens part, and the “but that’s not that Mary!” part).

    Of course I don’t think he is right about Christianity being about worshipping Mary’s [expletive] but I do think he is right about Christianity being a female dominate religion. The idea is to make men support women by “working in the world” while simultaneously giving women power over the home, the relationship, and most every day decisions.

    We did this debate already, you’ve been linked already. I’ve yet to meet a branch of Christianity that didn’t teach that women should be submissive though (I’d guess that Unitarians probably don’t, but I haven’t met any and thus can’t really say).

    You’re kidding, right? Plenty of wishy washy liberals and patriarchy conspiracy theorist feminists believe all kinds of things along those lines, from Stone Henge to alien abductions. So do some paranoid new world order conservatives like that one weird guy who comes here sometimes (I think he is one of you trolling to make the MRA look bad because he makes no sense.) but IN GENERAL I find these believes are generally slightly more common among liberals and feminists than other groups. But no group is without someone who believes something that seems weird or silly. That’s why I try to be tolerant.

    That’s NWOslave, and he’s serious, he’s been at that shit for a year+

    As for the rest of that paragraph, it’s time for Spot That Fallacy!!

    Fallacy of composition – assuming that something true of part of a whole must also be true of the whole

    In other words, yeah, “no group is without someone who believes something that seems weird or silly” — but that means neither the whole group believes that, nor that we can’t mock that belief.

    But I’ve met plenty of feminists who believe in alien abductions and plenty of feminists who believe in conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination. One of the most ardent feminists I know in real life (you know, that thing ManBoobz never want to be part of) also says she was abducted by aliens as a child and such things are common among feminists. Now not all feminists believe this and not everyone who claims to be abducted by aliens is a feminist, but there’s a huge overlap. Believing in a patriarchy primes you to believe in other ridiculous things.

    Um…what? Same fallacy as above. Your friend there is the only feminist I’ve ever heard of who claims to have been abducted btw. Then again…

    “I’ll mark you down as a yes. And how about aliens, are they real?”
    “Well, it’s a big universe. Perhaps out there somewhere…”
    “Tick for UFOlogist. Much obliged, madam, have a super day!”

    Yeah it’s a big universe, and we can’t even figure out for sure if Mars (the only planet we’ve tested) has basic life or not, so yeah, signs put towards “there’s probably pond scum life out there somewhere”.

    Guess that means I believe in alien probes though? *does not believe in alien probes*

  30. @Stephen Blue

    “(I think he is one of you trolling to make the MRA look bad because he makes no sense.) ”

    ROTFLMAO. Really? Go scroll through the comments at The Spearhead if you want to see MRAs (making themselves) look bad.

    And I second Anathema’s question. What feminists do you talk to? Please name a specific blog site or person to whom you have spoken about feminist issue. If everything you know about feminism you learned from MRA sites, you have a serious problem.

    The purpose of the blog is to mock misogyny. If there are any “moderate” MRAs who do not hate women, and shame other men as “manginas, white knights,” please post a link. Feminism is actually interested in helping men along with women, as restrictive gender roles harm men also. But as far as I can see, MRAs are more interested in bitching about women than actually helping men. And a lot of what gets passed around the manosphere as “truth” is total bullshit (and when these “truths” are disputed, MRAs disengage from the conversation).

    So again, I ask you, what feminists do you speak to? Give me a link that is not an MRA site. Simply because an MRA has said something on the internet , it does not make it true.

    And again, what man-hating sites have you seen? Give me a link that is not an MRA site.

    No matter how many times I ask these questions, I never get an answer.

  31. Believing in a patriarchy primes you to believe in other ridiculous things.

    >Dudes are disproportionately represented in positions of power
    >Dudes on average make more money for the same work
    >Dudes are given more truck in society
    >But patriarchy is ridiculous.

    Sounds like someone’s trying to turn the language of atheists against feminism. Good luck with that XD

  32. About the tradition of the virgin birth: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob07.htm this is from the apocrypha of the NT. I thought it was the Gospel of Thomas but it is the First Gospel of the Infancy of Christ. It was apparently painless and like giving birth to light. Probably had none of that icky blood or body fluids that human births typically have.

    I know a lot about the Bible and Christianity, and though i am not one I actually really enjoy studying the history of the bible and especially the books that were left out. It’s just interesting to me.

    The idea of the hymen always closes the vagina, or that not having it somehow makes vaginas less tight is silly. What makes the vagina less tight is being fully aroused and relaxed (and generally through aging though I have read conflicting studies about that). Virgins are likely to be more tense, and to not know exactly how to become fully aroused so they will be tighter. The hymen may or may not impede penetration. It does not tend to “break” so much as stretch. Often the bleeding from sex is from capillaries near the skin breaking and it can happen several times in a person’s life not just the first time. I think it is levels of fucked up to desire, and even feel entitled to, a very tight vagina that bleeds from sex. You might expect it given the experience of your partner, but your response should be to ease any discomfort as much as possible and desire their pleasure, not their pain and blood. In case it needed to be said.

    Many girls I knew in middle/ high school refused to use tampons because they thought it would ruin their virginity. I think girls should practice penetrative masturbation before they have sex (if they want to) because it will only help them. The idea that their vagina is a sacred portal that being the first to cross is a gift to a deserving man is fucked on all levels. I have girls and I might just be that mom that gives way way way too much information on stuff like this.

  33. “Mary Magdalene … fucked an alien to get preggers and got Joe the carpenter to pay for it all.”

    Paging Dr. Cox … Dr. “Happy” Harry Cox to the white courtesy phone please ….

  34. thebionicmommy

    “If you ignore the emphasis some preachers put on girls to remain “pure” for their future husband, and to understand that “boys will be boys”,”

    Except the idea is that girls have purity and are good, whereas boys are monsters just waiting to rape somebody.

    No, the saying “boys will be boys” in this case is referring to the double standard, where boys get the long end of the stick. If boys have sex, then they’re just sowing their wild oats. When girls have sex, they get called sluts.

    If YOU ignore that the Quiverfulls are a fringe group widely considered crazy by most mainstream people, including other Christians. They’ve twisted the religion to suit their own purposes. Anyone can twist anything to say what they want, that doesn’t mean that’s the intention behind it.

    So, are you agreeing with me that the Quiverfull movement is patriarchal? While the Quiverfull groups are in the fringes of Christianity, mainstream evangelical churches oftentimes have some of the same teachings about men being the head of the household, and wives being submissive. They usually don’t acknowledge the existence of other types of families, except to call them sinful.

    “If you ignore how few churches allow women to be priests or pastors,”

    Because the idea is that women should not have to work. This is changing a lot now anyways.

    That’s quite the reversal you pulled there. You’re trying to make it out that women are privileged by being shut out of those professions. What if women actually want to be priests or pastors in those churches? They’re not allowed to simply because they are women. Again, this is an clue that those Christian churches are patriarchal, because they keep women out of positions of power.

    The churches that limit women’s authority usually rely on verses from the apostle Paul who said women can not lead or teach men. Paul told women to remain silent in church and to obey their husbands. Only in Opposite Land does that make women privileged over men.

  35. Creativewritingstudent

    Yeah, well that girl can come and live at my great grandmothers house then, or one of several friends who to this day live and work just like the pioneers did.

    Laundry that takes two hours to do for a family of four with a machine is NOTHING compared to laundry by hand where you have to boil water and chop wood. And the family size was much larger, plus any farm hands you might have for the field work. Gardening, today they are pretty little postage stamps. I know women that keep anywhere from one to three square acre kitchen gardens. That’s where an entire years worth of fruits and veggies grow for family consumption. And harvesting said garden to preserve it runs from late spring to early winter.
    Cooking meals for men who will eat up to five thousand calories per day? I’m sure that girl will find it a breeze over an open fire. Oh, and wait til she finds out that Sunday is a day of rest, so Saturday means double work for cooking and baking and food preservation.

    And lol!!! Is sure hope she LOVES spinning,weaving and sewing, because that’s what you do when you have an hour or two to spare. Well, that and mending. Lots and lots of mending. Darn darn darn!

  36. Argenti Aertheri

    “Well, that and mending. Lots and lots of mending. Darn darn darn!”
    XD +1 internet for that pun

  37. No, no, women in the old days just laid around being carried from place to place by their golden-eyed alabaster-statue boyfriends who all had superpowers and expensive sports cars.

  38. “Because the idea is that women should not have to work. ”

    Bullshit. Who made the fires? Who swept the ashes? Gathered wood from the forest? Peeled potatoes? Fed the chickens and collected the eggs? Who emptied the brimming chamber pots every morning? Who tended the garden, and picked the carrots? Who fed, washed, diapered, and watched the children so they didn’t fall down a well? Who took care of the sick and cleaned up their poop, pee, and vomit? Who made the family’s clothing and mended the socks? Who prepared the meals from scratch over a wood burning fire? Who took in other people’s dirty laundry to wash and make a bit of extra money for the family?

    I could go on with this for hours. The only women who never had to work are the tiny minority of noble and royal blooded women. And even then, some of them became nurses, writers, and painters, or found some other means to work, because they were bored out their minds doing nothing all day.

  39. I could go on with this for hours. The only women who never had to work are the tiny minority of noble and royal blooded women. And even then, some of them became nurses, writers, and painters, or found some other means to work, because they were bored out their minds doing nothing all day.

    In practic,e those women also were frequently administrators, so they’re at least as deserving of the claim of ‘working’ as their husbands. Seriously, not working isn’t really common *at all*, but erasing work sure as hell is.

  40. Hey Stephen, come back! I want to debate, ok list everything done in a day by women, so you can understand how much work got done. And I want to do it in great detail, because I’ve done much of it with family.

    Think women have it better today? Lords no. We work longer hours outside the house, we have fewer extended families to pool labour resources with and the standards of proper house keeping, entertaining, childcare (think attachment parenting) tutoring our children and keeping up with several individual and conflicting family sheduals ate up whatever free time was supposed to be created with machines.

    The same happened to men in terms of longer working hours and being on call constantly, but men generally aren’t the ones in shit if the hearth, kith and kin aren’t maintained to modern standards.

  41. anything from Stonehenge to shoelaces were caused by aliens!

    The things on the ends of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister.

  42. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    @ Falconer “The things on the ends of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister.”

    I’d question that.

  43. @Fembot

    Pfft…MRAs don’t consider any of that work. It’s just passing time between the bon bon eating and the watching of daytime soaps. That’s what women do, right? The homestead magically takes care of itself while she’s being lazy.

    Real work is hunting mammoth…or working on your ass in a cubicle. You know, the glory stuff.

    /s

  44. ate up whatever free time was supposed to be created with machines.

    Yeah, our productivity is through the roof in general, and people are still spending 60, 70, 80 hours at the office. And that’s at the office, where you generally don’t have to vacuum the floors after yourself, or clean the toilets.

    The George Jetson future where you just press a button and the work does itself is never gonna happen.

  45. I’d question that.

    Question everything.

    (I tried to find a clip from the Justice League Unlimited episode where he makes the claim about aglets, but I couldn’t.)

  46. @pillowinhell: I belatedly realized my response about productivity could be taken as erasing the work homemakers do. That was an oversight on my part. Sorry.

  47. More people are spending way more time at work, that’s true. However, given the labor intensive crap that had to be done before the fifties, I don’t think our productivity has gone up so mauch as its been redirected to be more for the benefit of others/employers.

    Hell, I’ve been in serious feminist discussions where the work of homemakers was largely ignored due to class issues. Its sometimes a little strange to me how often folks here catch themselves AND apologize before someone else has to point the issue out and argue for an hour.

  48. @ Rutee Katreya:

    >Dudes are given more truck in society

    Are you insane? There is no law that prevents women from buying trucks! I don’t know of any statistics on who owns more trucks, but if men do own trucks, it’s just because they buy more trucks. It’s not like women can’t buy a truck if they’d rather have one instead of a sports car or a minivan.

    WTF.

  49. Also, nobody just “gives” you a truck. You have to buy one.

  50. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    Stephen, please tell me that’s a joke.

  51. @ Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby II:

    Shouldn’t you say that to Rutee?

  52. ‘Also, nobody just “gives” you a truck. You have to buy one.’ Stephen Blue

    Trolling and purposefully misunderstanding? Or actually unable to comprehend modern slang?

    You be the judge.

  53. Ok. Stephen is just a troll. And a massive tool. Carry on.

  54. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    The word “truck” has several meanings.

  55. @ Gametime:

    “People who resort to wild conspiracy theories to explain events are ridiculous! That’s why I’m sure these comments are all part of a big covert scheme to discredit us.”

    Way to completely take what I said out of context!

    Believing in government conspiracies is ridiculous. Believing some moron on the internet would take two seconds to make up a fake name for themselves to make the “opposing side” of their issue look bad isn’t ridiculous. It happens all the time.

    That’s why terms like “sockpuppeting” (which btw someone here accused me of) exist, you imbecile.

  56. Also, nobody just “gives” you a truck. You have to buy one.

    GOOD ONE, GRANPDA!

  57. @Fembot

    Or he’s defending the MRAs because of his atrociously poor reading comprehension.

  58. Most people who worked at being homemakers also grew up with a much poorer lifestyle because of the one income. Clothes were hand-me-down for each child (most were hand-me-downs from other family members). My grandmother stayed home when she had children because she had four boys and her mother was living with them and she was very sick. But before that, she worked her ass off at a little secretary job to save up money so that she and her husband (who also worked) could buy a house. This was a VERY BIG THING because she was first generation Italian American. Still, they never had a TV until they got a very old used black and white one sometime in the late 60′s from a family friend who was always buying new things and just “handed it down” as a gift at Christmas. Her boys all shared a room- using four bunk beds and fitting in four dressers one for each boy. Believe me, I’ve seen that room where my dad grew up with his brothers- it’s tiny…but not as tiny as the room my grandmother and grandfather shared. The house is actually a bit bigger now than it was when they were growing up as the four boys grew up and built on a back room and storage area for the house- so imagine how much smaller it was when my dad was growing up!

    They ate decently, but when my grandmother was growing up, she only ever got one gift at christmas as a child- a doll and a bed, which she was told to give to her younger sister when she was considered “too old” for it.

    People had to live at a considerably lower standard of living back then. People could not afford TVs, more than one phone in a house (and sometimes not even one phone- you had to go down the street to the neighbor’s house to call someone), and you generally had one or two lamps and went to bed early. Plus, it was not uncommon for everyone to share a room or have all the children sharing a room. The idea of living in a huge house with everyone in a separate room is one invented in our modern age. And pretty much everyone I know who owns a home who came out of that poverty/working class background only were able to do that by saving up while living with their in-laws or parents and BOTH parents worked.

    Dual income families have been around FOREVER, and most of the time, even if you DO have children, the other parent will go back to work when they CAN.

    My mom was a homemaker because my dad worked at HP and made a good wage as an engineer. My mom still did Tupperware, Avon, did real estate and taught gymnastics even though she had three children. Later on, when we were older and more self-sufficient, she went back to school, got her teaching credential and then substitute taught until she could get a teaching position.

    And it’s a good thing she did, too. Later that year, my dad got laid off of his job because they moved his job to Malaysia. Without my mom, they would probably have lost their house. As it is, they paid it off, he got to retire, and now my mom pulls in the health insurance and living expenses with her kindergarten teaching job.

    That’s the thing, MRAs. Being in a marriage relationship is a PARTNERSHIP with someone you are supposed to TRUST. You are supposed to work as a TEAM and bring in a net gain for your household. Sometimes that means that someone will stay at home because being full time child care and household-logistics coordinator is more economically beneficial to your WHOLE FAMILY than if she were to shunt the kids into daycare and work at a 9-5 job (and, by the way, there are ALSO men who stay home with the kids during the day, as well as relationships like my husband and me, who both work opposite shifts so that we can bring home enough money to live comfortably and not worry about paying childcare costs). There are pros and cons to all of these choices, but each individual family is different with different needs.

    It is hard to raise an infant while working full time. But it is even harder to do long-term care for a kid with special needs like severe autism or Downs syndrome. And it can be next to impossible to justify putting several children in daycare because it’s so damn expensive that it’s actually going to discount the amount of money that one person would otherwise be making, so why do it if you can have one person stay home and provide one-on-one parenting/mentoring with the kids so that they will be more advanced and get ahead in school and society?

    Pretty much every kid I know wants their parents to spend more time with them. There are very few kids I’ve ever met who complained that they wished their parents would work more and just buy them crap. In fact, a lot of entitled brattiness seems to come from this weird situation where parents work harder and harder to get their kids all these new gadgets out of guilt for not being around and then the kid doesn’t appreciate them because he or she has no context for the gift beyond “dad feels bad he’s not spending time with me, but instead of spending time with me, he bought me a computer.” So it leads to resentment, anger and ultimately, acting out.

    I would much rather have less money and stuff but more time with my child because to me, that’s what matters.

    If you, MRA, wish to go out and be a sociopathic money-grubbing shark, you can do so. But stop trying to devalue what I am trying to do just because you made a different choice. Every lifestyle has its sacrifices. You can never truly “have it all”- so the question is, are you willing to choose what really truly matters to you, or are you simply going to shout “sour grapes” at those of us who have made our choices for better or worse?

  59. Believing in government conspiracies is ridiculous. Believing some moron on the internet would take two seconds to make up a fake name for themselves to make the “opposing side” of their issue look bad isn’t ridiculous. It happens all the time.

    youre doing enough of a job of making yourself look ridiculous, kiddo

  60. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    I thought sockpuppetting was more about making it seem like people are agreeing with you.

  61. @Stephen

    “Believing some moron on the internet would take two seconds to make up a fake name for themselves to make the “opposing side” of their issue look bad isn’t ridiculous. It happens all the time.”

    I have found that MRAs talk about this frequently. I have seen several comment threads where they make plans to do this on feminist blogs to make feminists look bad. I think this is something that occurs more on your side than ours. And you know the saying…it takes one to know one.

  62. So Stephen Blue, how was it that Christianity was saving women from work again?

  63. Argenti Aertheri

    “I thought sockpuppetting was more about making it seem like people are agreeing with you.”

    That, or attempting to comment someplace you already got banned from (the latter being the usual socks here).

    Stephen –

    truck 1, n.
    1. Any of various heavy motor vehicles designed for carrying or pulling loads.
    2. A hand truck.
    3. A wheeled platform, sometimes equipped with a motor, for conveying loads in a warehouse or freight yard.
    4. One of the swiveling frames of wheels under each end of a railroad car or trolley car.
    5. A set of bookshelves mounted on four wheels or casters, used in libraries.
    6. Nautical A small piece of wood placed at the top of a mast or flagpole, usually having holes through which halyards can be passed.
    7. Chiefly British A railroad freight car without a top.
    v. trucked, truck·ing, trucks
    v.tr. To transport by truck.
    v.intr.
    1. To carry goods by truck.
    2. To drive a truck.
    3. Slang To move or travel in a steady but easy manner.
    [Short for truckle or from Latin trochus, iron hoop (from Greek trokhos, wheel).]

    truck 2, v. trucked, truck·ing, trucks
    v.tr.
    1. To exchange; barter.
    2. To peddle.
    v.intr. To have dealings or commerce; traffic.
    n.
    1. Articles of commerce; trade goods.
    2. Garden produce raised for the market.
    3. Informal Worthless goods; stuff or rubbish: “Look at your hands. And look at your mouth. What is that truck?” (Mark Twain).
    4. Barter; exchange.
    5. Informal Dealings; business: We’ll have no further truck with them.

    You have truck 1, 1 confused for truck 2, 5

  64. I took a US women’s history class, and one of the texts we read was about women in the South around the time of the civil war (both before and after the civil war). Black women, of course, were generally working alongside black men, or doing heavy-duty housework, as were poor white women (who at least were free and generally working on their family’s farm.) However, plantation-class women worked a lot more than they’re generally given credit for, both historically and in their own time–they managed the house the way the plantation owners managed the business end, but they were not given the training the way their brothers were. Sure, their job consisted of bossing slaves around, but so did their husbands’, and and least the men were trained and could work through overseers.

  65. Are you insane? There is no law that prevents women from buying trucks! I don’t know of any statistics on who owns more trucks, but if men do own trucks, it’s just because they buy more trucks. It’s not like women can’t buy a truck if they’d rather have one instead of a sports car or a minivan.

    Christ, what an asshole.

    Believing in government conspiracies is ridiculous. Believing some moron on the internet would take two seconds to make up a fake name for themselves to make the “opposing side” of their issue look bad isn’t ridiculous. It happens all the time.

    Well, if you actually have evidence of a government conspiracy, such as the records that detailed the tuskeegee experiments, or the lists compiled by Sweden of gays and jews to hand over to Hitler, they’re not really that ridiculous. In contrast, immediately assuming everyone is part of a false flag operation, without any particular evidence of such an operation, kind of is ridiculous.

    That’s why terms like “sockpuppeting” (which btw someone here accused me of) exist, you imbecile.

    By that logic, the word ‘conspiracy’ exists, therefore…

    Wordspinner: Yeah, thatw as why I worded it as “Or at least, as much so as their husbands”. I don’t want to remove, you know, the people who did the labor, but it’s only the women who have the reputation for not actually working in the popular view now.

  66. The amount of administrative knowledge required by plantation women at the time was phenomenal. Even if she wasn’t doing the physical labour, she sure as hell had to know how it was done. Let’s face it, if she didn’t know how to produce goods like fine/cosmetic soap, fine linen/woven goods or how to prepare chef quality meals (just the way her hubby liked) her servants and slaves would have run rampant. And since very high standards were held for these womens homes, she couldn’t afford to have the house and gardens running anything but smoothly. So women were given basic hands on training as girls and taught how to troubleshoot the glitches, find the substandard work, co ordinate huge numbers of tasks and people to get the job done. They did have more leisure time, but it wasn’t all day. Visiting and hosting was also part of her JOB, to ensure that her husband had all the benefits of social networking

  67. Are you insane? There is no law that prevents women from buying trucks! I don’t know of any statistics on who owns more trucks, but if men do own trucks, it’s just because they buy more trucks. It’s not like women can’t buy a truck if they’d rather have one instead of a sports car or a minivan.

    HAHAHA. This may be the dumbest thing anyone has ever written on this site.

    You don’t get around much, do you, Stevie?

  68. And, let’s not forget why the traditional European symbol of woman is a distaff. Women and children used to spend much of their time carding wool, retting flax, and scraping hides. They had to spin fibers into yarn, and then weave or knit things. A LOT of time. Sounds like work to me.

  69. A barn loom in the hands of a master weaver can be warped and heddled in eight hours by one very detemined person intending to do a simple weave. Usually, it takes two people a couple days to set up one of those looms.

    Retting and spinning linen is very labour intensive. What’s more is that linen is not for beginners. The fibers are short, and don’t tend to want to hook together during the spinning process, which is part of why distaffs are used. A fair bit of mathmatics is required to figure out how much material to spin to make a given length of fabric (and they created pegged boards as cheats for the warp threads).

    Soap making,especially for cosmetic soaps required practical chemistry

    I really never understood how so many women were bamboozled into thinking they were too dumb for school or careers. Mathemtics, chemistry, geometry, medicine/nursing/first aid/mid wifery, basic literacy and numeracy, tailoring, cooking/food preservation, biology,botany,history/family bloodlines, genetics and breeding/ care of cows,chickens/pigs/rabbits….

    The list of knowledge is just phenomenal.

  70. @ShadetheDruid

    When I find myself able to afford to keep up Warhammer as a hobby, OI’M GONNA PLAY DA ORKZ, FUHGET THA FILTHY ‘UMIES AN’ THE TYRANIDS, OI’M STICKIN’ WIF DA WAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHH!!!!!

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