Tom Martin, leading UK Men’s Rights Activist: “Pedophiles who pay children for sex are not really rapists, because the child … understand[s] the nature of the contract.”

Tom Martin, child rape apologist

[TRIGGER WARNING: Discussion of child rape]

Tom Martin is one of the most prominent Men’s Rights Activists in the UK. He’s best known for a failed lawsuit he launched against the London School of Economics, charging the school’s gender studies program with, you guessed it, misandry. The case was thrown out of court this March, and Martin celebrated his defeat by calling a lot of people whores on Twitter and, I am proud to say, in the comments here at Man Boobz.

While Martin, known perhaps ironically as @sexismbusters on Twitter, is clearly more famous in the UK than he is here in the states, this peculiar crusader against what he sees as sexism has been celebrated (and his defeat in court mourned) by numerous Men’s Rights sites on this side of the pond. He’s been discussed many times on the Men’s Rights subreddit, where one supporter declared:

And he’s gotten write-ups on an assortment of other MR sites from The Spearhead to MensActivism.org to one Man Boobz favorite, the now-defunct What Men Are Saying About Women. On the website of the National Coalition for Men, one enthusiastic commenter gushed:

Finaly a real man with balls !!! Not like the rest of us . Tom is my hero .

But the Men’s Rights site that has given Martin the most support has been A Voice for Men, which featured Martin on one of its “radio” shows, reposted an article on Martin’s crusade from his website that seems to have been written by Martin himself (in the third person), offered updates on his lawsuit, and even publicized a recent public debate of his in England. The site has also encouraged people to donate to Martin’s legal fund.

One wonders what these supporters will make of some of the strange and awful things Martin has been saying in the comments here on Man Boobz in recent days. (There is no question that it is really him; he confirmed his identity earlier by emailing me from the account associated with his website Sexismbusters.org, and anyone skeptical of any of this is invited to contact him directly through his website.)

Most of the comments he posted here during his first commenting binge were rather risibly misogynist, frequently punctuated with his favorite epithet “whore,” a designation he feels is an appropriate one for 97% of all women and (he had recently added) for 98% of Man Boobzers of either gender. You can see here or here for numerous examples of Martin’s wit and wisdom – including his argument that hard chairs are discriminatory towards men and his now famous declaration that “female penguins are whores.”

His more recent comments, though, haven’t been funny in the slightest. Martin’s new obsession? Child prostitutes – and why they aren’t victims so much as victimizers, willing participants in an activity that makes them big money. Let me put another TRIGGER WARNING here. This is some of the most repellant material I have ever featured on man Boobz.

Here’s Martin’s opening statement on the subject:

The latest establishment scam in the UK, is to describe child prostitutes as “vulnerable children groomed for sexual exploitation”, then talk about them being “passed around” etc, without mention of the fact that these young people agreed to be whores, and are getting paid for it.

In a followup, he elaborated on this logic:

“Yeah, she offered me a job as a prostitute abroad, which would involve me receiving lots of money for taking cock, so I accepted, became a prostitute, and therefor, according to the official fem definition, this makes me a sex slave”.

Grow up!

Even a 10 year old knows, if someone is paying you for sex, that makes you a whore.

And when he talks about ten year olds here, he means this literally; in his mind, trafficked ten year old children aren’t really victims, but economic actors making an economic choice:

I stand by my statement, that child prostitutes know what they are doing, and therefore deserve to be called prostitutes, not victims.

A progressive European country (either Holland or one of the Scandinavian countries, I remember hearing), introduced in the late 90s, the legal principle of no arbitrary minimum age for consent, rather, the legal requirement to ascertain whether lawful sex had taken place was to establish whether the child or young person ‘understands the meaning of consent’ …

Now, if a ten year old is for instance [specific sexual act redacted] for money up front, then there is very much less question whether that whore understands the meaning of consent or not.

In another comment, Martin suggests that ten-year-olds who have been the victims of what some people insist on calling “real rape” would be offended by anyone thinking that ten-year-old prostitutes suffer from rape – when, after all, the child prostitutes have “agreed” to it.

From the perspective of a child who has actually been raped by an adult, how must it seem, to hear the victim-feminist establishment conflate child rape with child prostitution? The raped child remembers having no choice about participating in the sexual activity, of being forced, and then is asked to consider his or her fate or level of agency as similar or the same as that of a child who marketed them self for sex to an adult, took payment, then performed the act.

I don’t think the average 10 year old genuine rape victim would buy the manboobz style analysis that all child prostitution is rape … .

Questions of genuine agency are complicated, but not complicated enough to pass a 10 year old genuine rape victim’s bullshitometer I posit.

Oh, Martin doesn’t actually think ten year olds should be prostitutes. He thinks they should wait a few years, until they’re at least 14.

Should child prostitution from the ages of 13 up be legal?

Nope. I think that prostitution is a potentially dangerous profession for which a basic qualification in health and safety be required, like an NVQ – and that kind of course would not be attainable until after the minimum of secondary school years are completed, so aged 14, 15, 16, 17 or even 18 or more depending on the country.

The real problem, in his mind, is that young girls try to enter into the business when they should be in school:

States with child prostitution problems should be forced to get these children back into schools to complete their education, and child prostitutes who persist should be treated as school truants, a misdemeanor, and given the carrot and stick approach to get them back on the straight and narrow or go to young offenders institutions. If they want to be prostitutes when they’re old enough, then they can go to the careers advise officer, where the pros and cons of the profession can be laid out, and an application for the training course and license can be given.

Martin mocks the very notion that child prostitutes are being exploited:

Imagine you caught your underage 15 year old daughter on the game, what would you say to her?

“Okay darling, obviously you played no part whatsoever in choosing to be a prostitute yourself, so mummy’s going to help catch the nasty pimp who put you up to this, because what you need to learn is when 15 year old girls accidentally suck cocks for money, they should be compensated, with a bit of victims of crime compensation, and, not forgetting, the original £12 cock-sucking bonanza from the punter. That’s right sweety. Double bubble time. Pass me the phone. Now how does this thing work?”

Or… would you ground the whore for 6 months until she passes all her GCSEs?

Well, given that approximately 98% of manboobzers are whores themselves, I’m guessing you’re probably going to want to blame it all on MRAs.

So prostitution should be legal. But since prostitutes are very bad, they should pay high taxes for the privilege of plying their trade, to keep them poor and in order to repay society for the damage they do:

Prostitutes need to be taxed and licensed so heavily, rendering the profession a relatively poor way of making money.

Anyone who practices as a prostitute without the necessary qualification and license, can go to young offenders institute/jail – just like any other persistent illegal unlicensed trader would.

Anyone working on the sly as an escort, should be hunted down by the taxwoman, and if caught, given a huge bill for tax evasion, as well as a fine, and prison for not having a license. Unlicensed tax-evading prostitutes should be hunted down (which would be easy enough).

Anyone choosing prostitution should pay the highest taxes, and know why those taxes are so high – because of the damage prostitution does to the prostitutes and their customers and their environment and the society.

In a followup comment, Martin sees a silver lining in the form of all the tax revenues that prostitution will bring in:

If licensed hookers pay for a massive license fee and heavy taxes, then some of that money can be ring-fenced to research how best to get women (and girls) to renounce prostitution in all its forms, because let’s face it, a lot of housewhores and princess wannabes could do with a little economic activity-inducing work ethic therapy themselves.

Meanwhile, the customers of underage prostitutes – in other words, the child rapists – should be treated gingerly:

[M]en who pay money to have sex with child prostitutes should not be criminalized – but taken out of circulation and treated compassionately for their condition. I’ve heard that most criminal activity peaks with testosterone levels, in the late teens, but paedophillia is the only crime that increases in frequency as these men get older, indicating a growing pathology for them rather than just a typical immature criminal act.

He offers this final summing up of his twisted argument:

[P]edophiles who pay children for sex are not really rapists, because the child consents, then performs the act, indicating they understand the nature of the contract. The elder is still a pedophiles, but the child prostitute is still a prostitute.

If the child is enslaved – it’s rape, or too young or stupid to know what he or she’s doing – rape. But poor, and in need of food? Not rape. A choice. Unwilling to do other hard labour paying 9 times less than the prostitution route? Not rape. A choice.

He then extends his argument to the rest of the alleged 97% of women who, in his mind, are whores:

Whatever your age, follow the golden rule, of never taking money for sex, then prostitution will be eradicated. Only the prostitute can stop charging for sex.

And of course, that means rejecting courtship gifts, engagement gifts, marriage gifts, divorce gifts, and government largess also.

I don’t think many of you are ready to renounce prostitution in all its forms. …

I know a whore when I see one.

He even returns momentarily to his earlier assertion that female penguins are whores:

Someone or other here said I was anthropomorphising human behaviour onto penguin behaviour by calling penguins whores or something.

But the point is, being a whore, is an animalistic trait, that human females should not need to resort to, given they’re at the top of the fucking food chain already. Google “nuptial gifts” and you can read studies about various animals granting sex to those males who provide the most food, or even the most glittery non-edible trinkets etc, or in the case of penguins, rocks to build nests and shelter with.

I’m saying women are better than penguins, or at least would be if they renounced prostitution in all its forms.

I’m sure the women of the world will be happy to hear that Mr. Martin thinks they are potentially better than penguins.

I doubt many of Mr. Martin’s American supporters are familiar with his elaborate apologia for child rape. I would like to invite Man Boobz readers to show this post, or at least some of the more repellant quotations from it, to the proprietors of the various MRA blogs and MRA forums I have mentioned above.

I wonder if any of his supporters will be willing to renounce him publicly once they know what he has said here – and apparently in some recent public debates as well. Surely no legitimate “human rights movement” would want to be associated with anyone who spouts filth like this.

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Posted on July 13, 2012, in $MONEY$, a voice for men, antifeminism, creepy, evil women, men who should not ever be with women ever, misandry, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, rape, rapey, reddit, the spearhead, Tom Martin, whores. Bookmark the permalink. 805 Comments.

  1. Casandra said: Sexism is of course measured by how often Tom feels the need to call women whores. Just not in the way that he thinks.

    When women whore, and I complain, that’s one piece of sexism.

    Casandra, when I say 97% of women are whores though, I mean, that 97% of women are whoring at any given point of the conscious day (it’s impossible to whore when asleep).

    Prostitute: “Buy me a house if you want to marry me, because I have high moral values cousin or whatever or whoever you are bring money.”

    Me: “Women should stop whoring so much, or at least do an NVQ in it. No badge, no license.”

    Manboobzer: “That guy’s a sexist asshole for calling all those prostitutes prostitutes”.

    Manbooobzer: “What does prostitution like… even mean? I don’t know. Am I one?”

    Manboooobzer: I dunno, but we can all agree he’s definitely a sexist idiot though.

    Manbooooobzer: Good point. He’s like something which is not very nice. Good point me.

    Me: Something or other about child prostitute accountability and pedos needing treatment.

    Manboooooobzers: We got him! Let’s carry on being whores. Hooray!

  2. You realize we posted at almost exactly the same time, right?

    Yeah, yeah I do. :[

  3. Yeah, yeah I do. :[

    Can’t sleep?

  4. CassandraSays

    I’m picturing his internship ad.

    NEEDED: Volunteers to help with documentary about sexism. Focus in on women’s whoredom, what whores women are, and how women in the West End are all whores. There will be a short section about how child sex slaves are also filthy whores and deserve everything they get, including a large fine and jail time. Candidates must not expect either compensation or college credit – what kind of whore are you? If you’re a woman, you must provide a signed note from at least one man certifying that you are not a whore. Must bring own seat cushion.

  5. child prostitute accountability

    This is something else which I encourage you to share with the fine denizens of the working-class or immigrant neighborhoods of London.

    FIELD RESEARCH

  6. Can’t sleep?

    Nope, different schedule. It’s summer and I’m a grad student: I got up at 4 this afternoon and I’m going to go to bed around dawn.

  7. @Tom Martin

    Fallacy of hasty generalization alert.

  8. Me: Something or other about child prostitute accountability and pedos needing treatment.
    Manboooooobzers: We got him! Let’s carry on being whores. Hooray!

    Aw, what’s the matter? Aren’t the broader, more diverse audiences of the world agreeing with you wholeheartedly? Aren’t you receiving tons of email and financial support as people throw off the shackles of politically correct oppression and recognize that, yes, starving 10 year olds are just filthy whores who should be punished?

    You sad, sack of shit.

  9. This is something else which I encourage you to share with the fine denizens of the working-class or immigrant neighborhoods of London.

    FIELD RESEARCH

    Oh, yes, please. Please.

  10. Tom, I encourage you to hie yourself to the nearest bar full of drunk young soccer hooligans and tell them exactly what you just told us. Consider it the sequel to your proposed web video.

  11. Oh right, I forgot this man is the very scum that made me leave the MRM in the first place, Tommy, You do realize that just because an opinion makes people angry doesn’t mean it’s true, right?

  12. CassandraSays

    The thing is, Tom doesn’t make me angry at all, other than the child prostitution thing. He’s too absurd. It’s like being angry at a platypus.

  13. I mean, that 97% of women are whoring at any given point of the conscious day

    Hmmm, so women who have paid jobs unconnected to sex (office work, teaching, etc) somehow manage to spend a significant portion of the work hours whoring? How does that work?

  14. Also, what about nuns Tommy? Surely women who have avowed themselves to lives of chastity can’t possibly be “whoring” as you so eloquently put it.

  15. Hmmm, so women who have paid jobs unconnected to sex (office work, teaching, etc) somehow manage to spend a significant portion of the work hours whoring? How does that work?

    I can answer this: has a man ever given you anything at all ever and/or do you use any goods or services invented or run by a man?

    If so, you’re a whore!

  16. Well, a 10 year old whore’s got more of an excuse than you lot, true.

    “What do you want to be when you grow up little girl?”

    “I want to be a feminist! … who believes in equality! … I mean, apart from on the whole whoring thing obviously. I mean really, what does “being a hooker” even mean?”

  17. aworldanonymous: Of course nuns can be whores (they look like penguins, right?).

    Some men donated to the church, those donations (in some small way) pay for them. Men probably built the convents and abbeys they live in.

    Ergo… whoredom.

    Cassandra. It’s like being angry with a hedgehog, or a female playtypus. Male Platypi are venomous. I wouldn’t want one angry at me.

  18. Cassandra. It’s like being angry with a hedgehog, or a female playtypus. Male Platypi are venomous. I wouldn’t want one angry at me.

    I thought their spurs were in a really awkward location or something. Huh. How dangerous are they?

  19. CassandraSays

    I mean, possibly I might be angry if he wasn’t so ridiculous? But he is, so there you go.

  20. Tommy, you still fail to understand that there are no 10 year old girls who actually go into prostitution of their own free will, and that even when it seems that way, there’s usually more than a little coercion, taking advantage of their naievete and lack of knowledge about how the world works.

  21. VoIP: The spur is in their Armpit. It make look awkward, but it’s in a pretty good place for one who is squirming to wield. It is a purely defensive weapon.

    But it’s lethal.

  22. VoIP: The spur is in their Armpit. It make look awkward, but it’s in a pretty good place for one who is squirming to wield. It is a purely defensive weapon.

    But it’s lethal.

    Huh, no shit. Even to an animal as big as we are? Thanks.
    So…would they get mad if we tried to pet them? Because they look really plush.

  23. Tommy, you still fail to understand that there are no 10 year old girls who actually go into prostitution of their own free will, and that even when it seems that way, there’s usually more than a little coercion, taking advantage of their naievete and lack of knowledge about how the world works.

    Don’t bother. He’s incapable of understanding and he doesn’t care. He literally doesn’t care. If a child’s options are prostitution or starving he genuinely believes they should starve.

    “I want to be a feminist! … who believes in equality! … I mean, apart from on the whole whoring thing obviously. I mean really, what does “being a hooker” even mean?”

    Look, the fact that you’re such a poor communicator and so terrible at making a cogent argument that no one can figure out what the fuck you’re talking about is your problem.

  24. CassandraSays

    It would help if he could decide whether he wants to use “whore” to mean “prostitute”, or just “woman I don’t like”.

  25. VoIP: Yes, even to humans. I don’t know how defensive/aggressive male platypi are. But females don’t have the spur, so they are probably just fine to pet.

  26. khymchanur said:
    Hmmm, so women who have paid jobs unconnected to sex (office work, teaching, etc) somehow manage to spend a significant portion of the work hours whoring? How does that work?

    They have not renounced prostitution. They may have, whilst getting a job, inadvertently given up prostitution in practice, but they haven’t ideologically given it up in spirit by ruling it out – by publicly denouncing and renouncing prostitution in all its forms, for ever.

    Women really haven’t spoken out to reject usufruct.
    They’re keeping their ideological and practical options open to prostitution, by refusing to publicly write that option off the menu.

    Most women, just aren’t ready, to say “I’m the kind of woman who wants nothing to do with being treated special just for being a woman.”

    Feminism never will renounce prostitution – because it can’t.

    Women can though.

  27. Hey guys, can I use this (read:Tommy’s posts) if I write a psychology thesis on something or other later on?

  28. CassandraSays

    “usufruct”

    Can someone provide me with a hedgehog to English translation here?

  29. They have not renounced prostitution.

    They’re keeping their ideological and practical options open to prostitution, by refusing to publicly write that option off the menu.

    So 2% to 3% of women have publicly renounced prostitution? What does a public renunciation of prostitution look like, that you can determine that 2% to 3% of women have done so?

  30. as usual, i learn something unrelated to misogyny and the mockery thereof whenever i visit this site. Today, it was that male platypi are venomous. and i live in eastern Australia, i should have been warned!

    but, and i know it’s Wikipedia, but apparently, although excruciatingly painful, it’s not lethal to humans (maybe to kids/immunosuppressed people/the elderly, idk that one)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus#Venom

  31. VoIP: Yes, even to humans. I don’t know how defensive/aggressive male platypi are.

    But perhaps they’re amenable to bribery. Have you considered that?

  32. CassandraSays

    I think Tom is picturing some sort of I Am Not Whore Spartacus moment happening on news broadcasts, in parks, on the tube, etc. It’s an odd fantasy to have.

  33. Can someone provide me with a hedgehog to English translation here?

    From the Wikipedia article:

    Usufruct is a right of enjoyment enabling a holder to derive profit or benefit from property that either is titled to another person or which is held in common ownership, as long as the property is not damaged or destroyed. In many usufructory property systems, such as the traditional ejido system in Mexico, individuals or groups may only acquire the usufruct of the property, not legal title.

  34. CassandraSays

    Oh, great, we’re back to the idea of vaginas as a public resource that should be owned by all men again.

  35. CassandraSays

    Actually, wait, what? So he wants women to reject the idea of communal property? Is the idea that women simply shouldn’t own property? Or that if communal property exists women have somehow stole it from men?

  36. @CassandraSays I lost track of his point of view the moment he started commenting here, then I tried to make sense of it, and now I’ve pretty much given up, he’s lost in his own little world.

  37. Usufruct? You are saying women have to give over what… the right to bodily autonomy?

    Do you really believe this shit? Not that it matters, you are being consistent in it, and what one does is what one is.

  38. I think that, in this context, by “usufruct” he means something like “the idea that women are entitled to the property of men simply because the women are female and the men are male”.

  39. BigMomma: My memory fails me. I probably suffer too much from older accounts, which are less reliable.

  40. @pecunium…no criticism meant, i thought you’d like to know and i’d like to know if wikipedia had got it wrong. by all accounts, it sounds bloody awful.

  41. Argenti Aertheri

    “Zie sticks out and it sounds like you’re calling them genderqueer.”

    A word scrapemind only learned this week…either this is He Who Shall Not Be Named, or a damned similar fool.

    And no, a platypus probably won’t kill you, it’ll just make you suffer for a month. Wtf is with Australia? Y’all have some of the nastiest creatures on the planet, though blue rings win that one (that’s not wiki, that’s someone being a fool and playing with one)

  42. Australia has nasty animals? I used to watch Lassie as a kid, so I’m convinced the USA is filled to the gills with wolves, bears, mountain lions, alligators, rattlesnakes and vultures! :P

  43. Magpie,

    The US has larger predators, but they are not that common and avoid humans. Australia has lots of poisonous things, like that octopus, a cone snail, and the Australian redback spider.

    Incidentally, the redback spider has weird, misandrist mating practices: the male actually helps the female eat him, since they are unlikely to meet another female before dying anyway and if they get eaten they fertilize more of her eggs. Sexual cannibalism isn’t unheard of in other species (often in spiders and other insects) but usually the male* at least tries to get away.

    *It is usually the male that gets eaten, since she usually has to go off and lay her eggs somewhere, so if the male kills her after sex, he doesn’t get any offspring. However, as far as she is concerned, his job has finished as soon as he’s done fertilizing the eggs.

  44. I’m not surprised Tom doesn’t intend to pay the people who contribute to his wobbly amateur YouTube video groundbreaking investigative documentary – after all, it would be going against all his deep-seated principles.

    But I wish him luck finding anyone prepared to put their name alongside his.

    Or at least anyone who actually wants a proper media career, since contributing to this project would be roughly equivalent to daubing a skeleton with glow-in-the-dark paint and leaving the closet door wide open in full view of a street-facing window.

  45. Crap – I thought strike tags worked?

    Evidently not.

  46. Argenti Aertheri

    “…wolves, bears, mountain lions, alligators, rattlesnakes and vultures!”

    You forgot the coyotes, though they don’t generally go after people, and the bull shark, though I guess we’re still trying to ignore that one or something? Wolves, bears and mountain lions are generally pretty rare, and again, usually don’t go after people (excluding black bears, they’re just nasty). Alligators have a pretty limited range, and vultures don’t really go after living prey, they’re scavengers. Idk about western rattlesnakes, but the timber rattlesnake gets big, but back away slowly works, they aren’t inclined to strike if they can avoid it — they can be dangerous if you piss them off though.

    Of course, Australia’s got blue rings, cone snails, stonefish, deadly spiders, deadly snakes, the platypus, dingos…I think you guys win this one. (Tangentially, I am amazed to see that people are finally acknowledging that New England might still/again have mountain lions.)

    Can anyone explain how the bull shark is the least known of these? No one wants to admit sharks don’t have to stay in saltwater?

    Wetherby — <del>del</del>

  47. I’d just like to add some more brain bleach to this thread…

  48. (Also, I don’t really think you’d find wolves and alligators, frinstance, in the same spot :) )

    I’ll give you the redback and funnelweb spiders, but most of the others you don’t often come across. Platypus get rarer every year, sadly. :( And don’t forget feral pigs

  49. Ponkz that was beautiful. Like smoke !

  50. Even us Magpies can be dangerous lol

  51. i had to kill 3 nests of redbacks i found under the rims of my plant pots and under the banisters down into the back yard. i have small children so i FREEEEEEEEAKED out and went OTT on spraying and squashing in a frenzy. and we saw a red belly in our woodpile. And there are bull sharks (allegedly) in the river across the road. we don’t swim in it. a friend of mine nearly died 6 months ago after some unidentified thing bit her when gardening ( we are guessing a spider). she swelled up all over and was hospitalised for a week.

    still wouldn’t go back to the UK.

  52. @magpie, yes, swooping season is a delight isn’t it?

  53. Hooley dooley that was a nasty bite, BigMomma!

    Do you get trapdoors? Kids loves sticking fingers and sticks down holes in the ground.

    And then there’s bull ants.

  54. One thing we’re starting get more of in the Northeastern U.S. is the Brown Recluse spider. Nasty things, those.

  55. And yeah, coyote attacks are pretty rare, though there was a woman killed by a pair of them in Nova Scotia a few years ago. They’re more dangerous if they lose their fear of humans. Or if they’re rabid.

  56. ShadetheDruid

    Conversations about dangerous stuff in other countries always makes me glad I live in the UK. :P My house is full of spiders, but since they’re not dangerous or scary I just let them stay.

  57. Argenti Aertheri

    Yeah I’ll grant the recluse spider.

    And while they’re of little threat to humans (and at risk of threats from humans) — falcons are terrifying, I had the wonder/displeasure of being a dive bomb target for one of the local ones, with her young (they’re less beautiful when they seem to be coming straight at your head).

  58. Argenti Aertheri

    “Or if they’re rabid.”

    Duh? I mean, if rabid animals count, then watch out for bats! I’m surprised those coyotes killed a human though, they’re usually after livestock when they stop fearing us, I’d thought. Must’ve been male coyotes, since that’s creepy (watch NWO now claim that I said only male coyotes would kill a human, oi)

  59. LOL Tom Martin.

    At least 50% of these penguins are whores. :)

  60. The black bear population has been slowly increasing, apparently, leading young bears seek out new territory. As is demonstrated by the Cape Cod Bear. http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/worcester-area/12007844512341/cape-cod-bear-has-traveled-over-100-miles-around-ma/

  61. I guess it’s more like 47%, I keep forgetting his generous estimate.

    A hard working man penguin:

  62. Argenti Aertheri

    As nasty as black bears are, I’m glad to hear they’re doing alright.

    “Bears are indigenous to Massachusetts. They’re coming east and we’re going to have to learn to live with them,” said Major Wil Gray of the Mass. Environmental Police.

    Seriously, New England has one species that might try to kill humans just for the hell of it, should count that as a good thing, not one too many >.<

  63. Coyotes are more likely to be aggressive toward humans if they see them as a food source rather than a threat. Which is why people shouldn’t feed them. And yeah, aside from that rabies is the mostly likely thing to cause an attack. Which is why I thought it worth mentioning, even if it is obvious.

  64. *most likely

  65. Wetherby — del

    Brilliant – many thanks!

  66. Speaking of black bears, here’s one that got chased up a tree by a cat: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060613-cat-bear.html

  67. Argenti Aertheri

    Oh, you were speculating as to why coyotes would attack a human, not discussing rabies in general, my mistake! *goes back to coffee*

    …people feed coyotes? How fucking dumb can we get? Then again, one of my aunts tried “here kitty kitty” on a mountain lion…got in her car when it actually worked (she swears it was a momentarily lapse based on the shock of seeing one, since New England supposedly doesn’t have those anymore)

    Or supposedly didn’t have those anymore, then…now we might. Goodness is watching that debate hilarious. Seriously, this shit is hilarious. (Not hilarious because one got killed, hilarious because one got killed and yet, they don’t exist!)

  68. Argenti Aertheri

    That silly cat…I think I’d have put an end to that a whole lot faster, out of fear for the cat’s safety. Still, that’s one hilarious cat!

    Wetherby — no problem on the html

    Now I need to google those killer coyotes, that’s…anomalous…of them.

  69. Hell, some people try to keep coyotes as pets.

  70. ShadetheDruid

    Whenever someone mentions bears, I wish humans decided to domesticate those along with dogs, cats, horses etc, because that would just be awesome. Imagine having a bear as a pet!

    Also, this.

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