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Norwegian Men’s Rights Activist blogger Eivind Berge arrested for death threats against police [UPDATE 3]

Eivind Berge and police

Norwegian Men’s Rights Activist blogger Eivind Berge, known for his violent rhetoric and rape apologia, has been arrested for death threats against police.

Not too surprising, given that he once announced on his blog that “[k]illing at least one cop is on my bucket list.”

Here are some Google-translated details from a news account here:

The right-wing extremist and anti-feminist blogger Eivind Berge has been arrested for having encouraged and glorified the killing of policemen. The police have found both ammunition and textbooks in use of explosives at Berge.

The police regard the threats as an invitation to others to kill police officers, but also feared that he would commit the acts themselves shortly.

He was evidently arrested on Wednesday. According to this story — at least as far as I can tell from the obviously crude Google translation — he made a specific threat to kill a police officer this Saturday:

Berge also writes about how he was planning to attack a policeman with a knife on a Saturday evening:

“Then I used the trial to come forward as a good example for men, and I considered it to be worth 21 years in prison for premeditated murder.”

According to this account, Berge is being held for two weeks. He claims innocence.

Berge, as readers of this blog may well already know, is a fan of right-wing terrorist and mass murderer Anders Brevik. On his blog, he’s also argued (among other things) that “Rape is Equality.”

He’s glorified the murder of police on his blog numerous times.

Some examples, taken from the second news account:

“… attack on the police is something 100% in harmony with everything I stand for.”

“I maintain that police murder is both ethically and tactically correct.”

Some other examples, direct from his blog (each paragraph is from a separate post; click on the quote for the source):

I viscerally despise cops and wish them the worst. Killing at least one cop is on my bucket list.

If ever a victim of psychiatry, here is what I would do. I would first attempt to kill the cops or whoever tried to apprehend me. Failing that, I would feign docility in order to get out as soon as possible and then kill a representative of the industry as revenge. … killing cops is also very much a men’s issue. Every pig killed is also a blow against feminism, so men should be doubly elated whenever an officer goes down in the line of encroaching on our cognitive liberty.

[I]f you are a victim of psychiatry, it is probably in your best interest (as well as a publicly beneficial act of activism) to kill a guard or cop in order to get a fair public trial and possibly escape treatment before it ruins your health completely.

Rather than cowering in fear of the police, I assumed a warrior mentality and started hating law enforcement. I really, really wanted to hurt those responsible for enacting and enforcing feminist sex law.

This was his reaction to a news story about a police officer being killed:

Good news for men is rare in this hateful feminist utopia that is Norway, but today is a joyous day! Today I feel schadenfreude in my heart along with all the hate that feminism and resultant mate deprivation have instilled in me. One blue thug less on the streets.

From another post on the same subject:

The swine Olav Kildal died while trying to enforce our lack of cognitive liberty. This was a defensive, much deserved killing that cheered me up.

Here he threatens a female prosecutor:

To feminist prosecutor Anne Cathrine Aga I have the following message: The Men’s Movement is watching you, bitch, and we are seething with hatred against you personally and the police state you represent. Actions have consequences. Trials are still (mostly) public and they sink into our collective minds, where they form the basis of future activism. Hate breeds hate — that is a fact of life too smugly ignored by feminists. …

2011 is the year Norwegian men as a group emerged out of the blogosphere and into the battlefield. This in turn has led to a breakthrough for MRAs such as my good self in the public discourse, probably for the simple reason that the powers that be now realize ignoring us has deadly consequences. Men are angry now, and we have proven that we are deathly serious about resisting feminism. So the feminist prosecutors referred to above ought to wipe that smug look off their faces before it is too late. Clearly seventy-seven body bags wasn’t enough, but I am fairly confident that you will be sorry one day.

Aside from the explicit threats of violence, the violent and threatening rhetoric here is not unlike much of the rhetoric we see regularly on A Voice for Men and other MRA sites. AVFM founder Paul Elam, for example, told one feminist that:

I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection. … We are coming for you.

The blogger Emma the Emo, Berge’s girlfriend, has posted comments here in the past defending him. The news account quotes someone identified as Nataliya Kochergova, described as his girlfriend; I assume this is “Emma,” because what she told the media is similar to what she posted here. She of course denies that he planned any real violence. According to the article, she said:

There are not really threats. He has never had plans to kill someone, he has said several times in his blog. When for example, he says that “the police killings are an effective way to prevent stupid laws,” it’s a factual description and not a threat. Even those who love the police agree with it.

Berge, for his part, has stated publicly that if he had not met Emma, he probably would have killed by now:

At the time I wrote my last blog post, I believed I would probably become Norway’s first modern violent activist in peacetime. Celibacy enforced by a feminist regime had driven me to the point where I saw no other option. I would target the pigs who enforce feminist law, knowing I could realistically at least kill one of them before I would be captured or killed myself. Thus revenge would be assured and if I lived, my reputation as a violent criminal would make me attractive to some women. But then in the nick of time this blog attracted a lovely girl commenting as “Emma.”

This is why I take violent rhetoric from MRAs very seriously.

Meanwhile, on this side of the Atlantic, MRAs glorify MRA “martyr” Thomas Ball, who killed himself on the steps of a New Hampshire courthouse last year in hopes that his death would inspire MRAs to literally burn down courthouses and police stations.

Ball’s manifesto is still up on A Voice for Men in its “activism” section, including these passages:

So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … This is too important to be using that touchy- feeling coaching that is so popular with business these days. You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!

Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20 years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers

AVFM tastefully omitted Ball’s specific instructions on how to make Molotov cocktails, but left this in:

There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours.

For many more examples of violent threatening rhetoric from MRAs, I urge you to go through some of my posts here and  here.

 

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  1. Tom, please g to calling us or penguins whores, and stop saying those horrible horrible things about children, I feel like throwing up just reading half of what you wrote.

    Steel: people showed you several instance of ‘moderate’ MRAs who consider Tom Martin as a MRAs. Why shouldn’t we accept these sources? What do you consider a TRUE Scotsman, sorry a true moderate MRM website? Please provide us link of post they wrote saying that Martin is actually not MRA.

  2. Fucking hell fire. I go to bed and Tom comes back and spews that rape-OF-CHILDREN apologist nonsense? The first time I encountered the little turd was when he announced his scam court case and was still attempting to retain the vestiges of belonging in a human* society and I never thought I’d say this but I miss that.

    Steele, kindly point us to a) other MRAs denouncing the ones you have, b) their reasons for doing so, c) the coherent ‘rules’ of the MRM (not just something you made up), d) an explanation for why Baramdu(sp?), a racist misogynist is ‘OK’ and e) the proportional numbers of ‘extremist’ feminists and their mainstream support.

    This is another case of ‘facts are MISANDRY’, isn’t it? *sigh*

    *I want to change this because Tom doesn’t belong in any animal society either, but can’t think of how to phrase it so I’m just noting it here.

  3. To be fair to those MRAs who’ve been bigging Tom Martin up as one of the movement’s great martyrs, they weren’t to know that he was also an apologist for child rape.

    But now that he’s demonstrated this beyond any reasonable doubt, and even repeated and reinforced it in case anyone was still unsure, I predict a lot of frantic backpedalling.

    We’re already seeing it from Steele, who really should get a job in the circus with those skills. Mind you, he’s fallen over quite a few times.

  4. Argenti Aertheri

    Wow did this thread take forever to catch up on.

    Murphy —

    It cannot be said often enough that suicide is an act of violence, commonly purportrated by abusers in an attempt to control.

    That’s a serious citation needed. What percent of suicides are abusers asserting control? And how are they controlling anyone once they’re dead? At absolute best, you meant to say that many abusers threat suicide in an attempt at control; not that many suicides are abusers.

    It’s a complex issue, and clearly I’m speaking as a general approach. Just look at the facts – 50% or so of marriages end in divorce, and of that 50% the overwhelming majority are instigated by women. For me, that speaks strongly to the idea that abuse is widespread (I’m not suggesting that all men are abusers though, only that the figures would seem suggestive). It’s a major step for a woman to want to divorce the husband of her children, with all the financial and emotional costs involved, and I’d say that suggests that abuse is widespread.

    If I follow this mess, half of marriages end in divorce, the “overwhelming majority are instigated by women” — call it 80%? make this math easier — and abuse is “widespread” in the cases women instigate divorce — call it 60%? slightly more than half?

    Math time! 80% of 50% is 40% — 60% of 40% is 24% — so apparently about a quarter of all marriages end in divorce because of abuse. Again, citation needed.

    Hey guys? I think this one might be a Poe, this is just absurd.

    NWO —

    This is nazi headquarters.

    That’s a Godwin, don’t do it. Come up with another failing analogy at least. And since when do you have a problem with nazis? Shouldn’t they be a natural ally for your “Jews control everything” views?

    But this is the world we live in, men in any marriage or relationship are only valued for their monetary value to a woman or to a woman and her children…Men are simply useful as working units to pay for women. That is the only value any man has.

    According to traditional views that you should really disagree with it, but nonetheless support. You keep missing where it’s feminism that’s against that.

    Eurosabra —

    I think you may have confused my observation that “economic perpetrator” Nazis like Schacht never paid for their crimes with support for Nazis.

    Was that at NWO? He thinks feminists are Nazis, that wasn’t directed at you (you’re a Zionist, we know…which might make you a Nazi in his backwards land)

    I would, but the only order on offer seems to be a new and bizarre incarnation of the Knights Templar.

    They meant a monastery, preferably the internet free kind.

    Steele —

    1. The MRM is non-violent. Any violent rhetoric is not part of the Movement.

    2. The MRM repudiates abject moral repugnance. Martin’s views on child prostitution cross this line.

    3. The MRM is for equality between the sexes.

    4. The MRM believes in the fundamental value of human life.

    Hey Steele? There is a movement that does actually do all those things, but it isn’t the MRM, want to guess what it isn’t? Unless 4 means you’re a pro-lifer that is.

    I mean, seriously- you all just engaged in a 1000+ comment thread in which you denied the concept of misandry even exists.

    No, we were arguing that individual cases of misandry are not an institutional problem, and you were variously arguing that either that didn’t matter, or that institutional misandry does exist. Please go back to arguing that over there.

    Tom Martin —

    Your views on prostitution seem to shift every other sentence. We’ve got a bunch of “child prostitution is just like any other work” combined with some serious “punish those whores” — think you could pick one?

    “child prostitution is just like any other work” —

    All child labour should be illegal below the age of 13, and then after the age of 13, restricted to very few hours per week, so as not to interfere with school work.

    Nope. I think that prostitution is a potentially dangerous profession for which a basic qualification in health and safety be required, like an NVQ…

    States with child prostitution problems should be forced to get these children back into schools to complete their education, and child prostitutes who persist should be treated as school truants, a misdemeanor, and given the carrot and stick approach to get them back on the straight and narrow or go to young offenders institutions. If they want to be prostitutes when they’re old enough, then they can go to the careers advise officer, where the pros and cons of the profession can be laid out, and an application for the training course and license can be given.

    Anyone who practices as a prostitute without the necessary qualification and license, can go to young offenders institute/jail – just like any other persistent illegal unlicensed trader would.

    Anyone working on the sly as an escort, should be hunted down by the taxwoman, and if caught, given a huge bill for tax evasion, as well as a fine, and prison for not having a license. Unlicensed tax-evading prostitutes should be hunted down (which would be easy enough).

    And then a bunch of “punish those whores” —

    Prostitutes need to be taxed and licensed so heavily, rendering the profession a relatively poor way of making money.

    Anyone choosing prostitution should pay the highest taxes, and know why those taxes are so high – because of the damage prostitution does to the prostitutes and their customers and their environment and the society.

    But let’s ignore that contradiction, because I have a more interesting question — how does prostitution damage the environment?!

    And incidentally, men who pay money to have sex with child prostitutes should not be criminalized – but taken out of circulation…

    Involuntarily committed? Wtf else does “taken out of circulation” mean, besides that, or arrested?

    A lot of crime may be down to low serotonin levels and problems with unresponsive prefrontal cortexes etc, so I suppose there’s a medical excuse for most things. Deciding to be a hooker may be one of those choices down to mental medical conditions too.

    Those aren’t excuses, they’re explanations, and with very very few exceptions are not seen as excusing the patients behavior. You have a lot of speculation there, but you know what is fairly “hard wired”? Assholery, or rather agreeableness.

    If licensed hookers pay for a massive license fee and heavy taxes, then some of that money can be ring-fenced to research how best to get women (and girls) to renounce prostitution in all its forms…

    File under “punish those whores”.

    …because let’s face it, a lot of housewhores and princess wannabes could do with a little economic activity-inducing work ethic therapy themselves.

    Wtf does that even mean?!

    Fembot,

    You said: [MRAs] regularly ponder stripping women of their vote, forcing them back into “subordinate” roles, legalizing rape, and segregating men and women

    I’m dead against all of these things. You’re willfully mixing up sex and rape (because you’re a victim-feminist wanker).

    What did “…studies favouring women as victims usually make it to the fore. Think false rape stats…” mean then?

    Pecunium —

    Unimaginative: Tarantula wasps are a Western thing (Rattlesnakes are semi-southern, though they do exist as far north as Oregon, on the West Coast, and as far up as Maryland [that I know of], and might reach up to Southern New Jersey).

    CT has Timber rattlers, looks like Jersey does too. They get huge, and thus have one nasty bite, but aren’t too aggressive, so “back away slowly” works. (Seriously, they get huge, like 5′ long huge)

    Unimaginative —

    Tom Martin is consuming nutrients that would be better spent breeding plague rats.

    I know you meant the black death kind, but my brain went straight to how Emilie Autumn calls her fans plague rats. Thus making the idea extra hilarious.

  5. Argenti Aertheri

    “We’re already seeing it from Steele, who really should get a job in the circus with those skills. Mind you, he’s fallen over quite a few times.”

    That’s easily solved with a clown suit.

  6. @Tom Martin;
    “I stand by my statement, that child prostitutes know what they are doing, and therefore deserve to be called prostitutes, not victims.”

    You just can’t help yourself can you? Anything for attention. I’ve seen actual self-confessed pedophiles who make less outrageous claims than you about children. Listening to your inane bullshit you would think one drops out of the womb with the same exact cognitive functioning as an adult. With your train of logic it stands to reason that children aren’t easy to prey upon and manipulate because of their lack of life experience and nativity.
    * * *
    In fact, using ‘Tom’s Trolling Logic’ I was able to think up this incredibly awesome and ‘mentally sound’ argument:

    All those little girls that get kidnapped by male strangers are really just stupid little whores that really want to run away from home and manipulate these poor men into taking them away. Whores are the only REAL kidnappers as they take these whorish children for the sole purpose of making the whore child’s father cry. (Whores live on a strict diet of bon bons which they greedily wash down with a glass full of men’s tears).

    We should feel sorry for those poor ‘supposed’ male kidnappers who face unfair imprisonment for simply trying to help a worthless whore of a child. We should also feel sorry for the fathers of those whorish children. (The entitled mother whores of the so-called ‘kidnapped’ whore kids will probably be too busy cheating on her husbands and gaining weight like the worthless whore pigs they are to care about their whore spawn being taken so I don’t feel one drop of pity for them. No one should feel any empathy for those whore brats, no siree, because they are the ones who deliberately caused all this mess for those poor men.)
    * * *
    Thank you for helping me to see the light, Tom. Keep championing those pedophiles and demonizing children. It doesn’t make you a morally bankrupt, trolling cretin, at all.

  7. ShadetheDruid

    So wait, Tom’s case wasn’t about hard chairs, but he used it as an example of how he was able to read and understand discrimination rules/regulations?

    Dude, i’m shocked at how you managed to fail. Shocked. @.@

  8. Hey guys, I just thought of something… if championing for ‘the wimmins’ makes a man a white knight, what does championing for pedophiles make a man? hmm.

  9. Argenti Aertheri

    themisanthropicmuse — I’m not sure he wouldn’t agree with that, yuck.

    Much short reply to Tom — please go back to discussing hard chairs, that was much funnier.

  10. @Argenti Aertheri:
    He’ll probably be pissed that I thought of it first. Fresh, effective trolling material can be hard to come by, after all.

  11. “if championing for ‘the wimmins’ makes a man a white knight, what does championing for pedophiles make a man?”

    A pedophile.

  12. Argenti:

    Eurosabra –

    I think you may have confused my observation that “economic perpetrator” Nazis like Schacht never paid for their crimes with support for Nazis.

    Was that at NWO? He thinks feminists are Nazis, that wasn’t directed at you (you’re a Zionist, we know…which might make you a Nazi in his backwards land)

    That was directed at me. Eurosabra may not be a Nazi, but he is a fascist. It’s somewhere back in the thread.

  13. It’s funny how all these racists, white supremacists and white supremacists’ friends keep on calling us Nazis. If we were Nazis, we would probably get along much better.

  14. Whether you’re a child prostitute, an adult prostitute, or, as with manboobzers, unsure which category you fall into, the same principle still applies. If you sincerely want to stop the endless procession of paying cocks penetrating your person, then take the price list down, and stop charging money for sex.

    If, at whatever age you are, you do not understand the meaning of consent, or the meaning of money, or the meaning of consent for money, but someone is still sticking their cock in you and you’re not sure why, then that is probably rape – even if you forgot to mention to said cock wielder that you’d rather they didn’t. Hell, if you’re drunk enough, you can shout “Stick it in me Trevor” and that can still mean “no” for all the new UK laws care, as long as you say you can’t remember. Phone the emergency services for a chat about it. If necessary, ask someone how to operate the phone.

    Imagine you caught your underage 15 year old daughter on the game, what would you say to her?

    “Okay darling, obviously you played no part whatsoever in choosing to be a prostitute yourself, so mummy’s going to help catch the nasty pimp who put you up to this, because what you need to learn is when 15 year old girls accidentally suck cocks for money, they should be compensated, with a bit of victims of crime compensation, and, not forgetting, the original £12 cock-sucking bonanza from the punter. That’s right sweety. Double bubble time. Pass me the phone. Now how does this thing work?”

    Or… would you ground the whore for 6 months until she passes all her GCSEs?

    Well, given that approximately 98% of manboobzers are whores themselves, I’m guessing
    you’re probably going to want to blame it all on MRAs.

  15. “and that can still mean “no” for all the new UK laws care”

    Please Tom, point us to those laws.

    Also, interesting to see how it’s now 98% of us that are ‘whores’. Want to explain how or why, or how someone can achieve non-whoredom in your twisted view of reality? What does this word mean to you, because I don’t think it means what you think it means.

    I’m not touching your paedophile-apologia with a stick, you’re an utterly vile waste of cells. I’d say that you’re scum but I imagine that scum has more uses and is less toxic.

  16. I really think Tom gets off on the abuse he gets here. Tom, too bad you’re so opposed to paying for it, some time with a domme (assuming they’d take an anal wart such as yourself) might make you feel better.

  17. Does anyone else think that these unhinged rants are part of a cunning long-term strategy to get him let off the £37,000 on the grounds of diminished responsibility?

    Because that’s pretty much the only even vaguely charitable explanation that I can think of. And even then it’s not especially charitable.

  18. I mean seriously Tom, you’re one of the worst human beings I can possibly think of. You object to children who were raped getting victim compensation because they were given £12 after their rape? Fuck you, you utter shitting arseweasel.

    But tell me how advocating paedophilia on the internet is paying your £37k court bill, because I’d love to know. Not worried about going down for contempt?

  19. Stop talking about child ‘prostitutes’ (aka rape, for not disgusting people), Tom.

  20. Wetherby, it doesn’t work like that. So if it’s an end goal it’s even stupider than believing that his poor delicate backside can’t handle a bit of wood. Not that anything other than frothing idiocy would surprise me, coming from this utter bit of crotchfilth.

  21. Shouldn’t you be out promoting your pro child rape agenda to the public, Tom? Contacting the media, your MP, that kind of thing? Maybe go door to door, gather some signatures? Make sure to come back and tell us all about the reactions you get.

  22. Here’s the British footballer who went down for 5 years for having sex with a drunk woman:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2132704/Ched-Evans-jailed-years-rape.html

    I personally agree with the idea that a woman can be too drunk for sex. My only criticism is that the level of drunkness which constitutes rape and 5 years in prison should have been made very clear to men before the law was so over-zealously enforced. 5 drinks? 10 drinks?

    And of course, there was no corresponding campaign warning women not to drink too much then have sex either.

    But, hey presto, she gets compensation, and he loses a few prime money-making years out of his short sports-playing career span.

    Two and a half years in prison for a footballer at this age is probably a quarter of their lifetime earnings gone.

    If you’ve ever seen women around professional football players, you’ll know the women literally queue up to throw themselves at them – so the probability that it was genuine rape to me, is slight as fuck. She did not stalk him and the team, as a lot of women do, she just bumped into him at a kebab stall, but all he’d need to do is mention he’s a footballer, and the average brass will be up for absolutely anything, however drunk.

  23. Uh huh, rape apologia, blah blah whatever.

    How ’bout it, Tom? You’re a little publicity hound, aren’t ya? Shouldn’t the media and the public get to know the real you?

  24. That’s not a new law you repugnant twit. And given how differently people metabolise alcohol, how do you propose to enforce a blanket rule? Also, why/how do you seem to keep returning to the notion that women are raped for money? You should be kept away from other humans.

    But more than anything I’m dying to know how you plan on paying the court £37k.

  25. “I mean seriously Tom, you’re one of the worst human beings I can possibly think of. You object to children who were raped getting victim compensation because they were given £12 after their rape? Fuck you, you utter shitting arseweasel.”
    -TheNatFantastic

    Worth repeating.

    This is something the US is some states has not sorted out. Kids can’t consent to sex, but they can sell it and are called “prostitutes”? So weird, and to add insult to injury, many of them have pimps and don’t even get that fucking money.

    One dude pays another dude to rape a kid, and the kid is a criminal.

  26. @ Tom Martin

    “Well, given that approximately 98% of manboobzers are whores themselves, I’m guessing
    you’re probably going to want to blame it all on MRAs.”

    Didn’t you previously state that 97% of women are whores?

    Why the discrepency?

    Also, since your fellow MRAs can’t find a single study to evidence the MRA myth that fathers are stopped from seeing their children for no reason at all, merely on the words of a spiteful mother, can you provide one?

    Failing that, can you pull a statistic from your head and present it as fact?

  27. But more than anything I’m dying to know how you plan on paying the court £37k.

    Especially now.

    Twelve hours ago, I could imagine some MRA-inclined types bunging him a few quid on the grounds of being a martyr to their cause, but I doubt they’d be especially keen to fund an apologist for child rape. If Steele’s near-instant reaction is any guide, I suspect they’d be keener to keep a pretty hefty distance lest they get tainted by association.

    What are the chairs like in British jails?

  28. Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III

    Hm. On the one hand, Tom has said one of the most revolting things I ever heard. On the other hand, it seems to have actually shut Steele up.

    I don’t know what to think.

    Oh, wait, yes I do. Tom Martin, you are a truly appalling person. I’ve seen poisonous spiders that are better people than you’ll ever be. I’ve scrubbed things out of my toilet bowl that were more more pleasant than you, and better thinkers besides. I hope that when you hand LSE’s lawyers the money, they have the good sense to handle it with rubber gloves. I’d wish something nasty on you, but the worst thing I can think of is that one day you realise just how ghastly you are and have to live with that knowledge for the rest of your life.

  29. In France, starting this month, all drivers are required by law to have breathalizers in their car. They only cost a dollar or two each. Men should carry them too, and there should be a blood alcohol level which is permittable for women to have sex. Of course, if the woman is coming on to the guy and she is too drunk and he breathalizers her and she fails the test then she should pay a fine and lose her sex license (just like she would her driving license, but no – women are officially babies, so as always, the burden will be on the man.

    The university is currently £37k down. If I am to pay this £37k, it will involve making money from documentaries and books, which will involve gender studies at LSE and feminism being further exposed for what it has become, so I really don’t mind either way. They won the initial legal battle but they won’t win the media war because I have the facts of the case on my side, which are all in black and white, and on my website, which the judge refused to hear in a formal trial. I am not under any confidentiality agreement, so I can draw people’s attention to what is going on. At the moment, despite, the judge, and the defense, and the Times, and the Guardian et al trying to delegitimate the complaint, I have about 55% support among the general population, most of the 45% opposition taking a position based on spurious victim-feminist general ignorance which this case gets to the route of. When the gender lies they’ve been fed by gender studies are explained to the general public, they tend to support me. Unsurprisingly, the general public don’t like being lied to. Political correctness is invariably factual incorrectness, and people would rather have the facts than have the establishment gender news gatekeepers digest and respin the news for them. Professional feminists and manboobzers dig their heels in, but they are a minority, and will be forced to drop the hoary old stories eventually if they are to retain any shred of relevance with a public already too aware, and subsequently, already too embarrassed to call themselves feminists. It’s about stepping around feminist wankathons.

    See ya!

  30. What’s the public support for your ‘women should be allowed no civil liberties’, ‘penguins are whores’, ‘people need licences to have sex*’ and ‘children who are raped did it for money, the whores’ positions? Assuming the 55% support you claim (dubiously), what percentage of that are women? What percentage non-‘whore’ women?

    By the way, ‘political correctness’ has correctness in the title. I fail to see what’s factually incorrect about being nice to people, care to enlighten us with some more of your arse’s wisdom?

    (*Seriously though, how would you enforce a sex licence?! I know you don’t care for civil liberties but this is fucking ridiculous. At least you made me laugh instead of puke.)

  31. If you honestly think the general public are going to agree with you when you go around saying that 97% (oh, hang on – 98% now?) of women are whores, that vulnerable children in care exploited by paedophiles are also whores and deserve to be punished for it, and the disgusting bags of shit who prey on them in the first place deserve sympathy and understanding, you are seriously deluded.

  32. Tommy-boy: They won the initial legal battle but they won’t win the media war because I have the facts of the case on my side, which are all in black and white, and on my website, which the judge refused to hear in a formal trial. I am not under any confidentiality agreement, so I can draw people’s attention to what is going on. At the moment, despite, the judge, and the defense, and the Times, and the Guardian et al trying to delegitimate the complaint, I have about 55% support among the general population,

    Sure…

    How did you conduct the polling?

    What are the facts of the case again?

    How does any of that change your owing £37,000?

    God I wish I thought the British Press was going to find out about this little set of diatribes of yours.

  33. If I am to pay this £37k, it will involve making money from documentaries and books, which will involve gender studies at LSE and feminism being further exposed for what it has become, so I really don’t mind either way.

    That was your plan yesterday, when it sounded implausibly ambitious but perhaps vaguely achievable given enough third party support.

    But now that you’ve unambiguously and aggressively outed yourself as a child rape apologist, I’d say it’s pretty close to impossible.

    I’ve worked in documentary distribution and know people who work in publishing, and would say that it’s now a pretty safe bet that no-one in either business who’s of any repute (i.e. the kind who might be in a position to pay you the money you’re after) will want to touch anything that you produce with the proverbial barge pole.

    And even if you manage to complete these “documentaries and books” with private funding, just how likely is it that anyone’s going to stick up for you in public to help you promote them? You’ll be as popular as Gary Glitter is now, albeit without the previous career success.

    Since you’re British, I imagine you’re familiar with the phrase “the Ratner effect“. The LSE must be busting a gut laughing.

  34. @Tom Martin:

    “Well, given that approximately 98% of manboobzers are whores themselves, I’m guessing
    you’re probably going to want to blame it all on MRAs.”

    Given that your definition of whore is: “something which is comprised of matter and isn’t you” I’d say the rest of the existing universe qualifies.

  35. @Pecunium If the worthless shit ever makes it into the news again, I know of three national papers I can get this stuff in, including one I write for. He won’t be able to pretend to be rational or sincere ever again :)

  36. God I wish I thought the British Press was going to find out about this little set of diatribes of yours.

    If they have cause to cover Tom Martin’s case again, they will.

    And that’s not even a threat to point them in this direction: if there’s one thing the British press is notoriously good at, it’s Googling for scandal. They’ll find it themselves.

    So it looks as though Tom’s media career is now dead in the water. What a shame.

  37. Now, if a ten year old is for instance sucking cock for money up front, then there is very much less question whether that whore understands the meaning of consent or not.

    The fuck?!

    I… I just…

    I can’t even…

  38. Tom, I doubt you’ll win the media war once the media become aware of these completely public remarks by you calling raped children “whores.”

  39. Ninja’d by many.

  40. I mean, I can maybe see the British press and public giving Tom a fair hearing on father’s rights issues (even if his figures on those have been demonstrated to be wrong), but paedophile apologia? Not in this universe!

  41. Tom has earned himself another MB post; expect one later today or tomorrow, and let’s try to publicize it.

  42. Political correctness is invariably factual incorrectness, and people would rather have the facts than have the establishment gender news gatekeepers digest and respin the news for them.

    The “political correctness” of calling acknowledging that 10 year old prostitutes are victims of abuse? Okay.

    See ya!

    Yeah, you can get the fuck out of here you repulsive sack of shit.

  43. captainbathrobe

    Well, given that approximately 98% of manboobzers are whores themselves, I’m guessing
    you’re probably going to want to blame it all on MRAs.

    See, this is why I like reading this blog. I learn new things every time I stop by. Since the odds are now overwhelmingly in favor of my being a whore, I shall have to remember to tell my wife to pony up some greenbacks next time we have sex. I’ll have enough for an iPad in no time.

  44. ShadetheDruid

    Hey Tom, did you spend all your money on that court case? Do you have enough left to buy some baby wipes? I doubt they’re that expensive though, you should go see.

    I’m just thinking you might need some after pulling all those statistics and percentages out of your arse.

  45. captainbathrobe

    And, I might add, what a disgusting little shitstain is our Tom Martin.

  46. @Argenti Aertheri
    “That’s a Godwin, don’t do it.”

    Please forgive me. I shall rephrase it. Manboobz is a place that uses the indentical tactics used at nazi headquarters, scouring the web to search out any who dare criticize the master race. Better?

  47. Oh dear G-d oh no he dinnt?

  48. Wow, I’ve mistakenly come across some horrible stuff online before but Tom Martin…..I don’t think I have words for the level of horrible…

  49. “Well, given that approximately 98% of manboobzers are whores themselves, I’m guessing
    you’re probably going to want to blame it all on MRAs.”

    Didn’t you previously state that 97% of women are whores?

    Why the discrepency?

    See, he’s more charitable to the women he assumes don’t read manboobz and/or aren’t feminists. I mean, he hasn’t MET a woman who isn’t a whore, but he’s SUCH a nice guy, he assumes there is a righteous 3 percent out there.

    As for us, we’re more likely to be whores, because, manboobz. Heck, for Tom, the 98% is probably charitable. He probably thinks we’re all whores but doesn’t want to say 100% because he thinks we’ll like the 98 number better. Like how stores price stuff at $19.99 instead of just the whole damn 20 bucks.

    They only cost a dollar or two each. Men should carry them too, and there should be a blood alcohol level which is permittable for women to have sex.

    Aw Tom, what happened to that massive sex video database idea of yours? It’s almost cute that you think breathalyzers of all things would keep rapists from raping. Almost cuter than your sex contract idea!

  50. @David Futrelle
    “Tom has earned himself another MB post; expect one later today or tomorrow, and let’s try to publicize it.”

    Will this post consist of comments he made here? If so, all comments made by the all the feminists residing here must be posted as well. How else could an unbiased opinion be formed by outside readers as to the level of competancy of the average feminist as well as what level of hatred has been endured by Tom. Did Tom begin the conversation hatefully, or was any comments he’d written in response to the hateful atmosphere? Was he ridiculed and mocked, or was he engaged in good faith at any point.

    A few examples.

    @ captainbathrobe
    “And, I might add, what a disgusting little shitstain is our Tom Martin.”

    Why wouldn’t someone rebut with insults? They’ve been insulted.

    @ShadetheDruid
    “Hey Tom, did you spend all your money on that court case? Do you have enough left to buy some baby wipes? I doubt they’re that expensive though, you should go see.”

    And again. In fact, everyone here has done the same.
    ——————-
    @indifferentsky
    “This is something the US is some states has not sorted out. Kids can’t consent to sex, but they can sell it and are called “prostitutes”? So weird, and to add insult to injury, many of them have pimps and don’t even get that fucking money.”

    They can’t consent to sex? They can’t consent to drinking, yet they’re at fault if they do. The can’t consent to robbery, yet if they do it they’re at fault. A 15 year old girl can’t consent to driving yet if she does drive she is at fault. In fact, everything other than sex for which they can’t consent to do they’re held accountable. So why aren’t girls held accountable for having sex?
    ——————-
    @TheNatFantastic
    “I mean seriously Tom, you’re one of the worst human beings I can possibly think of. You object to children who were raped getting victim compensation because they were given £12 after their rape? Fuck you, you utter shitting arseweasel.”

    How is consenting to sell sex for money rape? Are Norwegian girls as mature at 15 as Swedish girls at 16 or Chineese girls at 14 or Morrocan girls at 18. Were american girls more mature 100 years ago than they are today?
    ———————
    If someone is to be held accountable for their actions than they need to be held accountable for all their actions. If a 15 year old girl can’t consent to driving a car and she can’t consent to having sex either, she is at fault for both. She knew what she was doing when she hopped in the car and she knew what she was doing when she hopped in the sack. She is at fault. If she can’t keep it in her pants she needs to learn a little sexual control.

  51. @Tom: “See ya!”

    I shall say the same to you in your native tongue of trollese:
    Whore cunt!

  52. Hey Steele? There is a movement that does actually do all those things, but it isn’t the MRM, want to guess what it isn’t? Unless 4 means you’re a pro-lifer that is.

    Regardless, the feminist movement is focused on women.

    No, we were arguing that individual cases of misandry are not an institutional problem, and you were variously arguing that either that didn’t matter, or that institutional misandry does exist. Please go back to arguing that over there.

    You (collectively) argued that “misandry” is never an appropriate term for describing anti-male sentiment, whether it is isolated or systematic in nature. You insisted this for 1000+ comments, demonstrating that you are quite emotionally invested in invalidating the concept.

    Suffice to say, men’s issues are not going to be solved by feminists, unless it is a secondary effect of solving women’s issues. And that’s fine, but it also means you have no leg to stand on when you denigrate the MRM. It is necessary.

  53. Wouldn’t Tom’s breathalyzer idea make men guilty until proven innocent? Like… the only way that would even consider working is if it was assumed that men would be guilty if the woman was over the limit, and it was assumed that the man would be breathalyzing every time. Of course, how exactly would you prove that someone’s blood-alcohol content was above a certain margin if nobody bothers to check? Or what if the guy just lied about the results?

    And how in the bloody fucking excrement of human society could you possibly think that a 10-year-old was old enough to be able to consent to sex when 10-year-olds are just barely coming around to the idea that things aren’t moral or immoral based on how those things affect the self? Not to mention the small fact that they haven’t even gone through puberty yet. You repulsive sack of pedophilia-apologetic shit. (To borrow and expand upon a phrase I’ve heard recently)

  54. @Steele:

    You (collectively) argued that “misandry” is never an appropriate term for describing anti-male sentiment, whether it is isolated or systematic in nature. You insisted this for 1000+ comments, demonstrating that you are quite emotionally invested in invalidating the concept.

    No. We collectively argued that “misandry” refers to systematic anti-male sentiment and structures on account of its derivation from “misogyny,” and that such a thing does not exist. *ducks away from brick wall to avoid incoming poo*

  55. I said I was looking for European allies for Israel other than EDL, Forza Italia, someone acceptable. CDU/CSU is going to sell Israel out to the Green-Islamic alliance, and I want to be ready for when our prepaid spare parts are embargoed in German ports.

  56. Suffice to say, men’s issues are not going to be solved by feminists, unless it is a secondary effect of solving women’s issues. And that’s fine, but it also means you have no leg to stand on when you denigrate the MRM. It is necessary.

    Apparently men’s issues are going to be solved by punishing child prostitutes.

    Seriously, jackass, take that shit somewhere else. Nobody’s in the mood.

  57. Also, we’re not denigrating the MRM because it’s trying to solve men’s issues. We’re denigrating it because it’s failing so badly at solving men’s issues while inventing most of the issues out of whole-cloth. And being misogynistic, racist, pedophilic, transphobic, and just plain idiotic in the process.

  58. No. We collectively argued that “misandry” refers to systematic anti-male sentiment and structures on account of its derivation from “misogyny,” and that such a thing does not exist.

    That’s what I said; you argued that “misandry” (“the hatred of men”) cannot be used to refer to isolated incidents of anti-male sentiment. In other words, you are very (very, very) invested in a semantical argument that essentially leaves us with no word to describe anti-male rhetoric and/or actions.

    This is literally the definition of Orwellian.

    Suffice to say, feminism is clearly not a place where men’s problems will be addressed, unless tangentially in relation to women’s. This is- again- fine, but the MRM is thus necessary.

  59. @Steele:

    You (collectively) argued that “misandry” is never an appropriate term for describing anti-male sentiment, whether it is isolated or systematic in nature.

    That’s what I said; you argued that “misandry” (“the hatred of men”) cannot be used to refer to isolated incidents of anti-male sentiment.

    *point*

    What a tiresome brick wall you are.

  60. This is literally the definition of Orwellian.

    Actually Steele, what could be described as Orwellian would be inventing and using a certain word which borrows a falsified etymology from an existing word then using that word when it’s not appropriate in order to change people’s perceptions of reality and replace it with an emotionally charged but factually incorrect idea of how society is working. For example, the word invented could be something, say, rhyming with “misblandry”. That would be Orwellian, since it requires both Newspeak and Doublethink, two concepts apparently central to the MRM.

  61. …leaves us with no word to describe anti-male rhetoric and/or actions. – Steele

    Hahahaha, no.

    Now i’m too hideously lazy to go find and quote wherever it was mentioned (and that’s saying something, when i’m too lazy to go find and quote myself), but you have “prejudice” and “sexism”.

    Two words, not just one, to use.

  62. Steele, fuck right off, kthxbai.

    Eurosabra, don’t pulled that faux-shocked, “oh no he didn’t” crap about Martin, you two shitstains are made for each other.

  63. This is- again- fine, but the MRM is thus necessary.

    Fine. What are the men’s issues that the MRM addresses effectively with sustained, multi-faceted activism? How are the high-profile activists like Eivind Berge and Tom Martin working to address these issues? What do you do, specifically, as a member of the legitimate MRM to work on addressing these issues?

    For example, I’m a feminist but the bulk of my work and activism actually helps young men. My efforts are concentrated in helping at-risk youth in urban environments and many of the programs are targeted at young men. I’m working to help address the educational and economic disparities that can all but ensure that many young men who grow up in cyclical poverty will be placed in the system as early as possible and remain there for the rest of their lives.

    My work, and the work of the many souls dedicated to these programs, produces tangible results.

    What do you do?

  64. Steele, if feminism isn’t about men’s issues, and you admit this, why are you here trying to make it otherwise? Go back to your MRM circlejerk and leave us alone.

  65. the MRM is thus necessary.

    Steele, I’d also like to ask you about something. You claim that the MRM is necessary, but could you point me to anything they’ve actually done? I mean I know it’s super-tiring spending all day on the internet calling women bitches and gender-policing, not to mention the homophobia, racism, transphobia and general wank-baggery, but in areas that disproportionately problematically affect men (i.e. higher rates of suicide), what has actually been done? Even if you haven’t done anything (you haven’t), what would you propose be done?

    Because what I’d say is if there weren’t people aggressively enforcing gender roles and arbitrary rules (i.e. “boys don’t cry”) then maybe men who are likely to commit suicide would be able to ask for help before the situation got critical? That would honestly help. So how is the MRM going about this? Calling people ‘manginas’ for expressing emotion seems to… well, I’m not going to lie Steele, you’re kind of doing the opposite of helping men in real danger.

    Huh.

  66. Eurosabra, don’t pulled that faux-shocked, “oh no he didn’t” crap about Martin, you two shitstains are made for each other.

    Well, hellkell, Berge’s rape advocacy/apologetics didn’t specifically reference 10 year olds. Naturally, Eurosabra is aghast.

    Fuck heads.

  67. Yes, but my alma mater is against child rape, is generally pro-decrim, and has comfy chairs. As I am and I do.

  68. @Nobinayamu:

    What do you do?

    Gets pissy at blogs for not using his specific definition of a word for 1000+ comments, but adamantly refuses to justify his assertion that the word refers to a real thing because his opponents are “too dogmatic?”

  69. Gets pissy at blogs for not using his specific definition of a word for 1000+ comments, but adamantly refuses to justify his assertion that the word refers to a real thing because his opponents are “too dogmatic?”

    Yeah, I can see how that would be really “necessary.”

    Thanks, Kirby.

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