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“What a lifeless, limp, ego-centric homo,” and other bon mots from the A Voice for Men crowd

So Mr. Paul Elam was apparently so offended by this video from Jay Smooth defending Anita Sarkeesian and her Tropes Vs Women video project against its many misogynistic detractors that he sat down and wrote out a carefully reasoned rebuttal of all of Mr. Smooth’s points.

Nah, I’m kidding. He wrote a snide couple of paragraphs calling Smooth a “leftist scumbucket,” and a “chickenshit feminist quisling,” and invited his readers to jump in with their own dopey insults. And they did. Some highlights (that is, lowlights):

I showed Paul’s comment to an MRA friend, and he said, “dude, you have to stop talking to me. I don’t exist! I’m no more real than Paul Elam’s ‘gay friend.'”

Andybob added this to the debate:

Yes, that’s right, he’s saying Smooth is being a “fag” in order to score with women. Clearly we have a brilliant mind at work here.

Several comments later, Iron John, a man apparently oblivious to irony, weighed in with this gem:

On Reddit, after someone pointed out the homophobia in the comments, Elam responded with “comment mine much?”

I’m pretty sure you don’t get to complain about “comment mining” for homophobia when 1) you’re the guy behind the site and 2) you’re one of the ones shouting “fag.”

Notice that Zorro’s original comment got an equal number of upvotes and downvotes. Then Elam jumped in to give the homophobia his seal of approval. After that, it was nothing but upvotes for those using or approving of the homophobic slur.

Calling a dude a “fag” on the internet: Men’s Rights Activism at its finest!

 

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Posted on June 24, 2012, in a voice for men, antifeminism, bullying, douchebaggery, harassment, homophobia, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 191 Comments.

  1. Every time I try to read an NWO post, all I can see is TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL TROLOLOLOLO AHAHAHA.

  2. I forget exactly what it was you said which caused me to lose my temper, and Dave to pull my comment, but it was something about some people deserving to be tortured.

    And others, who knew you better than then I did, told me I was out of line. When people, not more than a few weeks ago were abusing you, I was one of the people who said, all your failings (and they are legion, the detailing here is but the hundredth part of your sins against comity) didn’t mean you deserved what was being said.

    So, with all the kindness in my heart, fuck off. You are treated here with more respect than you deserve, and at least the kindness Christ demands.

    Leave here, and go forth to sin no more.

  3. Nope, calling women communist tyrants is soooo not an insult.

    I do feel bad for NWO. He seems like a sad, lonely little man. I can’t even begin to understand why he continues to come back here, if he finds everyone on Manboobz so insulting and disgusting. So either he’s trolling in the traditional sense–getting off on being contrary even though it’s not what he really thinks–or he’s just lonely and actually being contrary because that’s what he thinks.

    Either way, it’s sad. Has anyone ever done any studies on the psychology of trolling? I’m more interested in the people who think trolling is “funny” and do it just to get a rise out of people, but even someone like NWO who keeps coming back here and insulting everyone and then playing victim when he gets dogpiled with snark and facts, like … he has to get something out of it, right? He wouldn’t keep coming back if he didn’t. Is this what he does instead of having friends? Oh, to pick apart the brain of the owl …

    (Yes, I’m speaking about him like he isn’t here. I’m sure he’ll call me a feminist tyrant commie pinko librul cuntassface or whatever.)

    I’m a hermit, and I prefer to not deal with people very much. I’m introverted, so I avoid parties and things like that, and just live my life with minimal social interaction. Oh, I have friends. Sure. But I move around so much and most of them live in other places. I do have some classmates I hang out with on occasion, but I don’t drink and can’t eat at restaurants, so I don’t “go out” with any regularity. I have no interest in dating, so I don’t go out hunting men either. Most of my life revolves around work and school. I’m pretty busy with that and prefer spending my free time at home.

    So someone like NWO, who claims to be so busy and have no time, who seems like he doesn’t have many personal connections in life–I can understand that. And yet, I have no desire to go on the internet and argue with people. I like AVOIDING arguments. I can’t begin to understand starting one, unless someone feels that’s the only way they’re going to be validated and get any interaction with another human being (??). Agreeing or lurking might not get you any interaction (??).

    Oh, that he would just tell us. But instead he’s going to insult and probably say something about women always being right. “Yup, you said I’m a sad hermit and a woman said it, so it must be true.”

  4. Argenti Aertheri

    An easily googled example of NWO’s anti-Ami hate —

    AMi don’t try to impart your gender role nonsense into any converation with me, ok.

    There are distinct gender roles because there are distinct genders. Men and women are not interchangeable.

    Even plants have distinct roles one pollinates the other is pollinated.
    All animals as well. Fishes, everything that is male and female does have distinct roles.

    Look out the damn window, will you tell the herd of doe they’re being oppressed? How about when the lionesses run to the lion to chase away the hyena’s, will you scream at them to do it themselves?

    How is everthing on the fucking planet has a “role” yet feminists scream it’s a construct. Wake the fuck up.

    Funny you should pick fish, they happen to be my preferred pets, and I’m about to blow that rigid thought pattern of yours. Sequential hermaphroditism! “Fish are remarkable creatures…”

    You, on the other hand, are less remarkable than most (humans, you’re way less remarkable than most fish). Which is why I said you think yourself more important than you are.

    And then there’s complete randomness like this

    @Argenti Aertheri
    “Now to decide if Chapin can have my brain for 5 min.”

    He’d need your enlightened brain to come up with the 1 in 5 college stat. Are you going to just parrot the stat or will you prove it? I’ve given you the links for Berkeley college crime stats and population. Here’s another.

  5. Sharculese… “i was actually gonna say bill ferny. nasty and self-important, but cowed by something so little as flying apple because in the end he’s all talk.” Do the personal attacks ever end? Not that I can tell.

    owlslave, i do nothing but make fun of you. ive called you a coward, a whiner, a sadsack, and a pathetic, desperate violence fetishist. why is being compared to a minor lord of the rings character the thing you decide to pretend to be upset about?

  6. How about when the lionesses run to the lion to chase away the hyena’s, will you scream at them to do it themselves?

    Helpless lionesses. One of my all-time favorite NWO science moments.

  7. ps: owlslave, your habit of blaming everyone else for the problems in your life continues to be cowardly and pathetic

  8. I dunno, man. I’m friends with a lot of Manboobzers! We, like, talk about chickens and the Avengers on GChat and Tweet each other about mental breakdowns and neocon assholes and shit. When my “I leave the house about once a day, only for brief periods” ass has more of a social life than you do, it’s really fucking sad.

  9. CassandraSays

    You’d think that Slavey could find a better example of female animals being weak and dependent on males than lionesses. Maybe his cable package doesn’t include the Discovery Channel and Animal Planet?

  10. Argenti Aertheri

    “Maybe his cable package doesn’t include the Discovery Channel and Animal Planet?”

    But does include the Disney Channel? That’s either improbable, or a disgusting request (why is it disgusting NWO? because you clearly don’t actually like it, or have a reason to have the channel [eg kids, grandkids] so why pay for it? *shudder*)

  11. Well that was… something. Slavey, I don’t get it. Seriously, why do you even bother to lie in such outrageous and easily disprovable ways? What do you get out of it?

    I mean, this isn’t about yet another “fact” or statistic you’ve made up about such-and-such issue, this is about shit you know yourself to have said. You can’t gaslight people if your words are right here in black and white for anyone to look up and read.

  12. I think the saddest part of NWO’s little rant there was that he answered “you don’t know what positive human ineraction is” with just about everything BUT “yes I do.”

    I really do feel bad for the little shithead sometimes.

  13. The, “fun” in feminism consists of, “jokes” ridiculing men. That is what you do here. Have women dictated what is or isn’t considered a, “sense of camaraderie?” Not too much of a surprise there.

    What a hypocrite. Misogynists make jokes ridiculing women all the time and we’re supposed to laugh it off. But making men the brunt of a joke is verboten, because they have feelings and women don’t? It’s funny how quickly sexists lose their sense of humor when the joke is on them.

    Besides, we make fun of misogynists here, not men.

  14. I really do feel bad for the little shithead sometimes.

    Yeah, me too. You know they can’t be happy carrying around that much hatred.

  15. Yeah, NWO is one of the only ones who doesn’t have any variant on “I’m getting oral from Ashley” or “FOREIGN BRIDE!” or “my dolls are prettier anyway.” He’s just sad and lonely.

  16. Women behave badly.

    Unlike men, who never, ever do anything wrong. Ever.

    I have a feeling that your idea of women behaving badly is just not kowtowing to men.

  17. Yeah, NWO is one of the only ones who doesn’t have any variant on “I’m getting oral from Ashley” or “FOREIGN BRIDE!” or “my dolls are prettier anyway.” He’s just sad and lonely.

    Actually, didn’t he have a post a while back about how he totally invites all his manly friends over and they cheer him on while he posts on Manboobz? It was one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen, IIRC.

  18. It’s sad when your obviously transparent lie is “I have friends.”

  19. Argenti Aertheri

    “Actually, didn’t he have a post a while back about how he totally invites all his manly friends over and they cheer him on while he posts on Manboobz? It was one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen, IIRC.”

    I thought he was trying to mock Cliff with that, but I can’t find it now. I did find his “safety girl” rant, which should be preserved for posterity. And this not remotely insulting comment —

    @Argenti Aertheri
    “How much do you think it’s about naivete versus their belief all non-virgins are sluts?”

    It really has nothing to do with naivete. Everyone of you here is belligerent, rude, obnoxious, sexist, racist, vengeful, spiteful, hateful, vain, arrogant, disloyal and spoiled. Not the most endearing of qualities representing such a diverse crew of women. However, the lip service is unparalleled.

    In the interests of a complete record, he’s quoting me from here, and I was quoting Cliff. And commenting on how foreign bride seekers see their brides as naive, not saying that the foreign bride seekers are naive…so NWO didn’t even manage to insult wtf was actually being said. (Surprising, I know /sarcasm)

  20. Argenti Aertheri

    Oooh…he built in a loophole!

    “I have insulted anyone of you here on this thread? Of course not.”

    In what might be a first, he has not (yet) insulted anyone on this thread. Of course, we do have the memory required to remember that he’s usually nothing but insults, and one thread does not suddenly negate that.

  21. I think the saddest part of NWO’s little rant there was that he answered “you don’t know what positive human ineraction is” with just about everything BUT “yes I do.”

    I really do feel bad for the little shithead sometimes.

    He seemed proud that one time he talked about cable splicing. I was happy for him, since it was the first time I had seen him talk about something he seemed to be enjoying.

  22. he’s saying Smooth is being a “fag” in order to score with women. Clearly we have a brilliant mind at work here

    I am just here to say, in case it hasn’t already been said: Every woman I know who is into men, and even a few who normally aren’t, has at some point said “OMG Jay Smooth, I would so hit that.”

    Feminism: it works!

  23. Crumbelievable

    LOLLING 4EVER. I don’t know about anyone else, but I know I’ve totally forgotten about that time the milkslave called Molly Ren a fuckdoll with a pulse. And those numerous times he’s been outright evil to Ami (just because she doesn’t give a fuck what the milkslave says doesn’t mean that the milkslave’s hatred goes unnoticed) and Ozy and … well, I could go on …

    Remember when he mocked Holly for writing a blog post about her rape? Good times.

  24. I can’t feel sorry for NWO, anymore than I can feel sorry for a tapeworm.

  25. @lauralot89 Hey! At least the tapeworm doesn’t specifically hate women.

  26. That is true, Sorka. Hmmm…I can’t even make a metaphor for how little sympathy I have for him.

  27. I don’t feel sorry for him either. He brings a lot of his misery on himself and I really get tired of this “Why does everybody here hate me?” pity game he likes to play every now and again.

    I don’t hate Slavey. I dislike him – reeeally dislike him. I often feel disgusted and sick when I read his posts, to the point that sometimes I just skim over them and deduce from others responses what’s been said. I think he’s a nasty, hateful, small-minded, paranoid, bigoted arsehole.

    Slavey, that’s what I think of you and you alone, btw – not men as a whole, so don’t bother twisting it.

    Oh, and don’t bother trying to say “Oh, I’ve never insulted anyone in THIS thread” either. We remember things you’ve said, you know, and we can search for them. I know you like to think you’re really clever and we’re all stupid, but you’re seriously deluding yourself.

    Why do you post here if you think we’re all horrible Meany Meaner McMeanersons anyway? I know you said once it was part of your ‘activism’. Well, remember that time David said you couldn’t post unless it was pictures of cats, and you gladly obliged? Yeah, I wouldn’t really call that ‘activism’…

  28. Well, he did try to find pictures of cats that involve women suffering at first…

  29. Argenti: “I have insulted anyone of you here on this thread? Of course not.”

    I’m on this thread, he’s insulted me. Ozy is on this thread, he’s insulted her.

    He can’t even claim he’s not insulted me in this thread, because he’s lied about my actions and beliefs, which is insult. In another age his actions in this thread would have been grounds to mortal combat.

    So no, he doesn’t even have that loophole.

    Ponkz: I really get tired of this “Why does everybody here hate me?” pity game he likes to play every now and again.

    He’s not asking that. He’s pretending to ask a rhetorical question. He says, “Everyone hates me because I am a man who won’t say women can never do wrong”.

    That’s his entire argument. All his comments are about the ways in which women are wrong. All he is doing is telling us about it.

    You know, things like expecting equal pay for equal work. Wrong.

    Things like not wanting to be raped. Wrong.

    Things like not wanting to be beaten. Wrong.

    Any man who dares to disagree with him about things like this (and others, such as 12 year old girls who “flaunt themselves, so they can arouse men; and then deny those men the sex they deserve; because the men are aroused), is a man-hater who thinks everything any woman ever does is perfect.

    Never mind that we are all upset with Ruby because she thinks men being raped is a fucking laugh riot. She says she’s a feminist, so we all agree with her.

    Why he thinks this time will be any differnt? He doesn’t. He gets some twisted pleasure out of saying it. He probably gets some pleasure out of us telling him what a shit he is.

    I ease the pain of his being a shit, by telling him what a lying sack of fermented pig-shit he happens to be.

    I don’t hate him, any more than I hate fermenting pig-shit. But I don’t want it in my back yard either.

  30. Oh yeah, so he did. Still, generally if I was posting horrible shite on a website full of people who disliked me and I them, and I was then told I couldn’t post unless I jumped through a few hoops first, I’d like to think I would pause a moment to wonder if it was worth my time and effort, conclude that seeing as posting there seemed to make me utterly miserable and disliked then it probably wasn’t, and go away.

    The fact that Slavey jumped through those hoops regardless speaks volumes.

  31. Pecunium – Oh, I’m well aware it’s part of a rhetorical game he’s playing to try and demonstrate how we actually all dislike him because we hate men and not actually because he, the individual, is a horrible person.

    He thinks he’s being really clever and we can’t see through him, it’s pathetic.

  32. I find him entertaining, so I’d like him to stick around. But for his own sake I wish he would seek mental health help (in a non-stigmatizing way– I’m in therapy myself), find some friends, and never comment again.

  33. I think I understand why slavery keeps coming here — we pay attention to him. Better negative attention than no attention at all, huh? I guess dolls can’t replace the need for good old human interaction….even if it’s only online. If in fact you do talk shit out in the real world — like you do here, I have to assume people don’t like you very much and avoid you at all costs. At least here, you get responses. So, I get it. It’s pathetic and sad, but I get it.
    Though, I have to wonder if you need more Omega-3 and fatty acids in your diet, because your brain seems incapble of making the connection between the hate-filled posts you make and the negative feedback you routinely get back. If you repeatedly call half the population evil, some people might get upset over that. You dig? Hello? I mean, at times you seem downright puzzled at people’s reactions to your shit lording. It’s funny. Well, I mean, not if you ate lead chips as a child, which in turn tweaked your cognitive abilities forever, but you know what I mean.

    When dolls die, do they go to heaven? That’s something I always wanted to ask.

  34. Meller’s the doll one.

    NWO doesn’t even like dolls, and somehow that makes him sadder. Meller gets some happiness out of his dolls. (I picture him cooing to them not to worry, they’re safe, he loves them so much that he’d only break them if they made him angry.). He’s got a hobby.

    For NWO, I think this IS his hobby.

  35. Yeah, Cliff, I think you’re right.
    Gosh, I shouldn’t have assumed NWO liked dolls. I mean, they still have eyes, and he doesn’t need their judgemental stares.

  36. Argenti Aertheri

    Pecunium — this is hilarious, I wasn’t counting his twisting what people say because I figured he’d find a way to claim that wasn’t an insult (I agree that it is) — but he’s commented on the Men’s Rights Redditors thread about terrible an insult creep is. >.<

    And fuck "in another time" — if he said half of this shit to someone's face he might find his teeth displaced. (Imagine him saying, within earshot of her father, that some 14 year old is dressed like a slut and turning him on…yeah, the results wouldn't be pretty)

    This is also why he comes here still I think, he can't spew this level of hatred off line or he'd find out the hard way just how few people agree with him.

  37. Shiraz, thank you. I’ve been having a crap few days, but “shit lording” made me lol in my cube. Now I need to find a way to work that into a convo.

  38. Argenti: He thinks it’s an insult for us to be offended that he thinks leaving a room, getting a pipe, and coming back to bash in a woman’s skull is perfectly justified.

    He’s not in any position to say that having one’s words mis-used /= insult.

  39. Argenti Aertheri

    Pecunium — in the reality of things, I’m well aware, in the Owlyverse though… Not even he can deny that this line was a tirade of insults — “It really has nothing to do with naivete. Everyone of you here is belligerent, rude, obnoxious, sexist, racist, vengeful, spiteful, hateful, vain, arrogant, disloyal and spoiled. Not the most endearing of qualities representing such a diverse crew of women. However, the lip service is unparalleled.”

    I really couldn’t have asked for a better example.

  40. Argenti: In the Owlyverse that wasn’t more than just a dispassionate listing of our obvious traits.

    Completely different from us listing his traits. It’s even worse when we quote him, “The greater the truth, the greater the libel.”

  41. Argenti Aertheri

    “The greater the truth, the greater the libel.” …but truth is a solid defense to libel…in the real world anyways.

  42. It wasn’t the case in the colonies until Zenger,and it wasn’t the case in Great Britain until sometime in this century (and there are some interesting things about that, “libel by juxtaposition”, in which British papers said things they couldn’t say by putting one headline near another, or a photograph).

    Britain is still a really easy place to get a libel judgment; and libel judgements are hellishly expensive. It’s why David Irving chose England to file his suit against Penguin.

  43. Argenti Aertheri

    Yeah but NWO’s still wrong about quoting him being libel (hilariously so)…oh wait, or is that a juxtaposition of things he’s said and thus an insult? The Owlyverse is more confusing than the Whoniverse (“you named your daughter after your daughter” makes more sense than this ["time travel, it never goes according to plan"])

  44. Hellkell, cheers! I was having a crap day as well.

  45. Ah, libel, in which people try to sue researchers for publishing research that says they were wrong…

  46. Dracula… “Really, if NWO reminds me of any LOTR character, it’s got to be Bill Ferny. You know, the mean-spirited asshole who was reporting to the Nazgul?” Again with the mean-spirited asshole routine. I’ve personally attacked no one.

    Except, ya know, all the gay people ever. But they don’t count, right, NWOslave?

  47. Thank God for the MRM…you wouldn’t have anything to write about otherwise….

  48. No, but we would have fewer jackasses to laugh at. Which is a good thing, because then the rest of us could go happily on with out lives.

  49. Manboobz might not exist without the MRM, but David could write on any other subject. Do you also thank war, because it give something to write about to a lot of writers?

  50. MorkaisChosen

    Thank God for the MRM…you wouldn’t have anything to write about otherwise….

    Wrong!

  51. MorkaisChosen

    … HTML broke, so that comment looks incredibly douchey.

    “Wrong!” is supposed to link to http://dimflash.blogspot.co.uk/

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