About these ads

The Men’s Rights subreddit: Fighting imaginary enemies, since 2008

To arms, Men’s Rights Redditors! Evil feminists are running riot on Wikipedia, deleting pages devoted to books by MRA hero Warren Farrell!

 

Oops. False alarm! Turns out WillToHave doesn’t quite understand how Wikipedia works. As one commenter pointed out several hours after the post went up, no pages about Farrell’s books have actually been deleted. The reason there are no pages about most of his books is … that no one has bothered to put any up yet.

D’oh! MRAs aren’t being oppressed by feminists; they’re being oppressed by their own laziness.

Of course, the only ones who know this are those who’ve bothered to actually read the comments. 15 hours after being totally debunked, the post, with its misleading headline, remains near the top of the Men’s Rights subreddit, with 142 net upvotes.

About these ads

Posted on June 19, 2012, in antifeminism, drama kings, false accusations, MRA, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 343 Comments.

  1. You see, there’s this thing called notability…

    But srsly, I just looked at the wiki page for “The Myth of Male Power,” does the Femspiracy maybe want to take care of that, or?

  2. OverlordTomala

    Stupidly Hilarious.

  3. Sometimes I imagine MRAs to be a lot like those meerkats that stick their heads out of their dens and all stand up like, “what? what? what? what?” Haha, and meerkats are pretty vicious too, so that’s kind of a perfect analogy.

    The first couple seconds of this video…lol.

  4. CassandraSays

    Hey, that’s not fair, meerkats are adorable!

  5. Femspiracy? I am so stealing that word

  6. Seriously, I just looked at the page of Farrell and then slipped into surfing other ‘men’s rights’ pages and some editor should have a look at them. These people have been busy shaping wikipedia to their weird world views. The entries on misandry, on Farrell and his books, and other related issues, like that “Boys are stupid. Let’s throw stones at them” shirt, it seems like they could use some editing to make them more objective. Some of them feign objectivity, but seriously…>.<

  7. What’s to take care of? Farrell is just a history-denying fool who wouldn’t know his ass from critical examination. His ridiculous claims are facially false, unless you assume poor women and working women don’t exist.

  8. MRAs making up lies about feminists?! I am astounded!

  9. ChromosomePal

    Ooh I so hope these guys are still around when I’m a crackly 90 year old. Giving hell to people is so much more fun when you’re old.

  10. The entire Internet is misandry, and the entire Internet will always be misandry (because feminist iron death grip). Ergo, anything that could potentially occur on the Internet is misandry just as much as anything that actually has occurred on the Internet is misandry.

    No Wikipedia entries about Warren Farrell’s books: misandry. Someone writing Wikipedia entries about Warren Farrell’s books: misandry. Said Wikipedia posts about Warren Farrell’s books getting deleted: misandry. Said Wikipedia posts about Warren Farrell’s books not getting deleted: misandry.

    Me not even knowing who Warren Farrell is: double misandry with sprinkles. (Sprinkles are also misandry.)

  11. The Femspiracy also deleted the second season of Firefly and the last few chapters of Edwin Drood. We managed to keep a lid on Duke Nukem Forever for like a decade, but some brave MRA finally smuggled it out to the light of day. Curse them!!

  12. thebionicmommy

    The reason there are no pages about most of his books is … that no one has bothered to put any up yet.

    D’oh! MRAs aren’t being oppressed by feminists; they’re being oppressed by their own laziness.

    MRA’s think it’s oppression when feminists don’t do their work for them. Why should they have to do the boring, tedious work of writing a Wikipedia page? Women should do that for them so that they can have more time to hunt mammoths!

  13. Argenti Aertheri

    “Just sine 2008?”

    I’d assume that’s when the subreddit dates to.

    bionic mommy — if they see a living mammoth they’d damned well better not be hunting it!

  14. Women should do that for them so that they can have more time to hunt mammoths!

    Dear Wikipedia.

    Make me a sandwich.

    Love The MRA.

    P.S.: Misandry

  15. Dumb asses!

  16. The majority of MRAs devote the better part of lives to hating western women – their evilness, their ugliness, their rudeness, their failure to recognize the western man’s social and spiritual superiority. Most of them could simply get on a boat overseas and spend the rest of their lives shagging with the best of foreign women, but I think by now hating WW has become a sort of drug. It suits them better to remain in the West, pretending that they’re living in enforced marriages and luxuriating in a minority’s contempt. It happened plenty in the throes of Feminism too.

  17. Aderyn, you’re a lackwit. An oppressed minority venting about the majority is not equivalent to the majority complaining that their house slaves haven’t put the slippers on their feet just the way they want. Further, women are no more rude, evil, or ugly than their male counterparts; frequently less, for rude at least, due to socialization to make people happy.

    Further, non-western women have a tendency to desire freedom as well, and it’s incredibly imperialist to treat them as existing for you to shag to escape having to treat women as people.

  18. I always wanted to visit Foreign. It seems like such a nice place with such a quaint way of life. Too bad tickets to Foreign are so expensive. I’d love to spend some time getting to know the people of Foreign.

  19. Cliff, just remember to say “silver plate” when you ask for something. That’s Foreign for “please.”

  20. Karalora – As in, “now that I’ve arrived here in Foreign with no job, no work visa, no commitment to learning the local language or culture, no respect for the local religion, no interest in making friends that aren’t other expats, and absolutely no intention of doing anything to please or support a woman in any way, I assume you’ll be providing me with gorgeous Foreign girls on a silver plate“?

  21. @cliff
    Hey whats his face knew some foreign women! Maybe you can ask him to show you around foreign cliff since he seems to love that place a lot. (I hear that the people in foreign are not fans of usians though)

  22. Funny and appropriate, Cliff, but it was actually a Discworld reference. A character who thinks she’s fluent in “Foreign” mangles s’il vous plait as “silver plate.”

  23. I went to Foreign once and it wasn’t that exciting. Everyone spoke English and the only difference was it was really cold and they liked hockey a lot. The women didn’t seem particularly submissive, but then again, I didn’t really involve myself in their rustic courtship customs. I’m sure MRAs would have great luck securing a meek Foreign bride in the Foreign village of Onta-Rio.

  24. Karalora – Oh, awesome. I got the French joke but didn’t know it was from Discworld. :)

  25. Nanny Ogg. You gotta love her.

  26. I’m guessing that bit’s from Witches Abroad then? I haven’t gotten around to any of the main witches books yet, unless you count Tiffany Aching. I may have to start in on them next, though. It’s between them and the Watch books.

  27. Oh God, when I first read that I thought it said Will Farrel, and I was mortified that the MRM might find him a hero. I like Will Farrel! He was in Megamind! Close call there.

  28. Yes, it’s from Witches Abroad.

  29. Argenti Aertheri

    Um, it might be that I’ve just been tearing apart glossary troll, but I think Aderyn was trying to say that MRAs sound a lot like anti-suffrage men did. That is — “their evilness, their ugliness, their rudeness, their failure to recognize the western man’s social and spiritual superiority” — doesn’t mean that Aderyn thinks women are these things, but thinks MRAs think women are evil, ugly, etc.

    The part where they could just go marry foreign brides is wrong, but I think the general gist of that comment was pro-feminism. I might be reading it wrong, but that’s just not reading as “and I support them in this” more like “and they are assholes for these reasons”.

  30. western women – their evilness, their ugliness, their rudeness, their failure to recognize the western man’s social and spiritual superiority.

    Yep, that’s me. Horrible, horrible, horrible.

    Please, never try to date me.

  31. I always wanted to visit Foreign. It seems like such a nice place with such a quaint way of life.

    Plus, you know you’ll find a good woman because the people there believe in Twue Wuv!

    Oh, FOReign! My mistake.

  32. CassandraSays

    I’ve lived all over Foreign, and as it turns out women there aren’t on average any more attracted to men who make thinly veiled threats about hurting women as a group if they don’t get their way than women in the evil West are. Also, just FYI, they don’t tend to like it when you call them Foreign, especially if you’re in their country at the time.

  33. skokieboki: Another problem with a lot of rape jokes is that so often they are treating rape as something that is just bound to happen and is part of a healthy man’s sex drive. Even worse, sometimes they appear to be contemplating whether something is really bad at all.

    Not even jokes. I was in a back and forth with a woman on HuffPo who said that rape in prison is unavoidable (while admitting there are systems which have less, but then saying we can’t afford to emulate them because… rape in prison happens, and … the stupid, it burns). She then went on to say, “I don’t think anyone deserves to be raped, but if they commit a crime they just have to accept that they will be raped in prison; so if they don’t want to be raped, they shouldn’t commit crimes.

    The circularity was amazingly painful.

  34. I forgot to say that, of course, she was not making excuses for rape, it’s just inevitable and the only way to avoid it is to not go to jail… and we can’t afford to make it happen less, or prosecute jailers who abuse prisoners (which is what the article was about, female inmates being raped by male guards) because…

    well just because. Rape happens, get over it.

    I was far more polite than I wanted to be.

  35. One of my coworkers moved here from Foreign. And married an American woman. EXPLAIN THAT, MRAS!!!!!

  36. He’s a FOREIGN mangina.

  37. Western women have no idea how rude they are because most of them have never lived in another country to see how other women act, and never been on the receiving end in the same way men have. Instead they say that men have an entitlement complex and just can’t handle not being worshipped. No, many of us are tired of women that act superior and assume right of way.

    I can tell you that as a well educated man with plenty of resources, i have little to no interest in hooking up or marrying a Western woman. And since i make well over half a million dollars a year, i have plenty of options, in addition to being respectable looking.

    Women in the Anglosphere also tend to lack culture and are emotionally immature, as a general rule. They absolutely do not compare to women i’ve dated in other countries. Women my age(33) in the country i live in(Australia) are no more intellectually and emotionally mature than the average 20 year old that i met while living in Ukraine many years ago, so what is my incentive for dating them? American women in big cities are exactly the same.

    There are simply more attractive women O.S that are not enamoured with the world of pop culture. Even educated women in countries like America are obsessed with trash celebrity culture. It’s beyond a joke. Sorry but some of us think we are better than that and do not have to put up with it.

    We don’t go ‘foreign’ because we are ‘desperate’. We are simply looking for a better deal.

  38. Western women have no idea how rude they are because most of them have never lived in another country to see how other women act, and never been on the receiving end in the same way men have.

    It’s true! In the West, women never speak to each other.

  39. MorkaisChosen

    Which women have you been talking to?

    I know this is all coming down to personal experience, but the people I choose to spend my time with are all emotionally and intellectually mature. If they weren’t, I wouldn’t choose to spend my time with them.

    Many of them are… women! :-O

  40. Kuis: I’ve lived in other countries. I can’t say I saw an overwhelming excess of politesse on the part of the women in them. In some places they were downright rude.

    That’s speaking as a well-educated man with resources. That’s women in Ecuador, Ukraine, Germany, France, Canada, Scotland, England, and Korea, as well as by way of baseline, women in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York City, Jersey City, Monterey, Seattle, Washington DC, Knoxville, Phoenix, and Oak Ridge.

    And since i make well over half a million dollars a year, i have plenty of options, in addition to being respectable looking.

    Unh-hunh. I’ll bet you’re, “well endowed, with more than ten inches of man-meat”. (bonus points to anyone who can spot the reference).

  41. I can live with you not marrying or fucking me, Kuis, don’t worry. If you’ve find such happiness, why are you complaining to feminists on a blog?

  42. thebionicmommy

    Kuis, even with your qualifiers of “as a general rule”, you’re still generalizing about western women.

    Even educated women in countries like America are obsessed with trash celebrity culture. It’s beyond a joke

    See, you’re generalizing right there. Not all women like celebrity gossip and tabloids. You’re just a misogynist that likes to dismiss what women say and assume it’s all idle gossip and chatter. You forgot to compare a group of women talking to a brood of hens clucking. That’s a misogynist favorite.

    I also want to know why specifically you say that western women are rude. Rudeness is subjective. Does rude to you mean not acting like a doormat?

  43. @Kuis: All your crap about how awful “Western Women” are (and that usage is pure dee racist from the start), and how rich you are, and how wonderful “foreign” women are — yeah right.

    I have one thing to say to you: YOUR MAMA!

  44. @Kyrie: I KNOW! I mean, if one has found true and total happiness with one’s dollars and one’s fantasy foreign women, then why waste one’s times on random blogs lecturing the women there how eeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvviiiiiiiiiiiiiilllllllllllll we are?

    Makes me wonder if one is really that happy, really that rich, and really anything but a troll.

  45. thebionicmommy

    Ithiliana, we’re supposed to be crying right now because we’ve been rejected by someone as successful and handsome as Kuis. We’re supposed to say, “Oh no, please give us evil “Western women” a second chance! We’ll be submissive doormats from now on!”

    Then we’d sing this song to him

  46. @Kuis

    Free piece of advice. Taunting people about all the reasons they should want you just tends to draw attention to the fact that they don’t. Now run on back to that FOREIGN VR (or the murky depths of your imagination) from whence you came

  47. So tell me, Kuis, are you actually dating a foreign woman?

    Or are you just hanging about here to tell us how you totally could if you wanted to?

  48. As someone who grew up in Russia, I’ve known a number of mail-order brides, at least from that part of the world. No educated, cultured woman is going to put up a picture of herself in a two-piece for angry Western dudes to examine, and she sure as hell isn’t gonna drop everything to marry some dude who decided she represents the right combination of subservience and hotness. Most women who go that route are either very naive (and mostly provincial) or very cynical. As for culture, it is more often than not limited to knowing how to make borscht, alleged familiarity with “European cinema” based on having seen a couple of dubbed Pierre Richard comedies, and the ability to bang out a couple of sonatinas on the piano without too many errors.

  49. Argenti Aertheri

    “I can tell you that as a well educated man with plenty of resources, i have little to no interest in hooking up or marrying a Western woman. And since i make well over half a million dollars a year, i have plenty of options, in addition to being respectable looking.”

    Congrats? No one here is taking notes from your boner. (Hilarious you call yourself well educated mere words before failing to capitalize I, and that that’s a stylistic option, not a typo.)

  50. I can tell you that as a well educated man with plenty of resources, i have little to no interest in hooking up or marrying a Western woman. And since i make well over half a million dollars a year, i have plenty of options, in addition to being respectable looking.

    Oh, honey. Of course you’re all that.

    But if you are, why come hassle us lowlives?

  51. So explain why there is no reference to “Thomas James Ball” in Wikipedia when I saw one immediately after he killed himself??

  52. Notability.

    …And probably not helped by MRAs filling up the article with completely un-encyclopedic rants, if I were to guess.

  53. …There’s no way I’m going to convince you that Wiki articles are deleted by community consensus, not by a shadow conspiracy guided by the disembodied spirit of Andrea Dworkin, is there.

  54. As a parent of daughters, I have this to say to asswipes like Kuis. Stay the hell away from my girls, who are better people than you could ever dream of being.

  55. Women my age(33) in the country i live in(Australia) are no more intellectually and emotionally mature than the average 20 year old that i met while living in Ukraine many years ago,

    Now taking over/under bets on the odds of this guy actually speaking Ukrainian.

    I think half the time MRAs think women from Foreign are so super meek and respectful, it’s because they can’t tell what those women are saying to them.

  56. So explain why there is no reference to “Thomas James Ball” in Wikipedia when I saw one immediately after he killed himself??

    Because of the feminist cabal who control wikipedia! :D …oh wait that’s actually what you really think.

  57. I think MRAs misunderstand patriarchal cultures, too.

    There are cultures where the ideal is “wife obeys the husband, husband is responsible for leading and supporting the family.” (Although not nearly as much of Foreign as MRAs think.)

    There are not a whole lot of places where the ideal is “wife obeys the husband, husband does whatever the hell he likes.” (Obviously it happens lots of places, including the US, but I don’t know anywhere it’s something people want for their daughters.)

    Traditional patriarchy is not friendly to deadbeathood. If you’re the boss of your wife, then you’re responsible for her and the kids, or people from just about any culture will think you’re an asshole.

    Traditional sexism is “men and women have different spheres,” and MRAs might not be up for the contents of that “men’s sphere.”

  58. I can tell you that as a well educated man with plenty of resources, i have little to no interest in hooking up or marrying a Western woman. And since i make well over half a million dollars a year, i have plenty of options, in addition to being respectable looking.

    Ahahahahahahahahaaahaaahaaa! Heh heh. *cough* Ahem. Uh, I mean; Oh dear! I’m sure “Western” women everywhere are positively weeping at the loss of a gem such as yourself.

  59. CassandraSays

    Sorry, buddy. “Respectable looking” plus money just doesn’t cut it with some ladies. That’s what irks you, isn’t it? That Western women have enough options that they can easily reject you if you’re not of interest to them (this is what you mean by them being “rude”). But if you go to a country where the average income is much lower, well, then not-hideous plus a decent salary goes a lot further.

    It is indeed a “better deal”, if you view finding a life partner as being a lot like buying a car. For those of us who think there’s a bit more to the whole love and romance thing, though, you just sound kind of pathetic.

    PS I am from Foreign. Grew up on 4 different continents, actually. I have yet to meet a woman anywhere in Foreign who’d put up with you if she didn’t have stong financial incentives to do so.

  60. I have a crush on four guys at the moment. Not one of them makes more than the median income for Americans: two live off scholarships, one is supported by his parents, and one has a job he loves that pays shit. It’s very odd. It’s almost as if being a kind and decent person is more attractive than hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    …Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

  61. Argenti Aertheri

    “So explain why there is no reference to “Thomas James Ball” in Wikipedia when I saw one immediately after he killed himself??”

    Please learn to work wiki before coming here to complain about it, if you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_James_Ball you will find the criteria for deletion and a link to the discussion. Cliff is correct, it was deleted for not being notable. You may want to pay particular attention to this comment —

    Delete per WP:BIO1E, WP:NOTNEWS etc. Wikipedia is not a platform for the promotion of ‘men’s rights’, or for any other political cause – and doubly so when the apparent suicide of a disturbed person is being exploited for that cause. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:53, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

    Namely that last part about not exploiting his suicide. (Argh MRAs, if you can manage to comment here, you can manage to figure out wiki, stop bothering us with shit you could solve yourself.)

  62. Why is he bragging about how much money he makes, when a big part of the MRA deal is all about how men should never have to give women so much as five bucks for a sandwich? It’s not like I’d see any of that if I married him. He’d be one of those guys who makes a half million but gives his wife an “allowance” of like 20 bucks a week.

  63. Oh, a disturbed individual,, You mean like Andrea Yates??

    Funny she’s in there.

    Oh, I forget, she had that postpartum depression thing going for her.

    Funny, when men kill women it’s murder but when women kill it’s either self defense or some other thing that only women can use as a defense.

  64. Women Who Kill Too Much and the Courts That Free Them:

    The Twelve ‘Female-Only’ Defenses

    1) THE INNOCENT WOMAN DEFENSE

    I am starting with the innocent woman defense because it underlies all twelve defenses. At first I had called this the “Female Credibility Principle” because of the tendency to see women as more credible than men because of being thought more innocent. However, even when women admitted making false allegations that they were raped or that their husbands abused them, for example, their admission that they lied was often NOT believed.Therefore the belief in the innocent woman ran even deeper than the tendency to believe women.

    2.) THE PMS DEFENSE (“MY BODY, NO CHOICE”)

    In 1970, when Dr. Edgar Berman said women’s hormones during menstruation and menopause could have a detrimental influence on women’s decision making, feminists were outraged. He was soon served up as the quintessential example of medical male chauvinism. But by the 1980s, some feminists were saying that PMS was the reason a woman who deliberately killed a man should go free. In England, the PMS defense freed Christine English after confessed to killing her boyfriend by deliberately ramming him into a utility pole with her car; and after killing a co-worker, Sandie Smith was put on probation – with one condition: she must report monthly for injections of progesterone to control symptoms of PMS. By the 1990s, the PMS defense paved the way for other hormonal defenses.

    Sheryl Lynn Massip could place her 6 month old son under a car, run over him repeatedly, and then, uncertain he was dead, do it again, then claim postpartum depression and be given outpatient medical help. No feminist protested.

    3.) THE HUSBAND DEFENSE

    The film “I Love You to Death” was based on a true story of a woman who tried to kill her husband when she discovered he had been unfaithful. She and her mom tried to poison him, then hired mugger to beat him and shoot him through the head. A fluke led to their being caught and sent to jail. Miraculously, the husband survived. The husband’s first response? Soon after he recovered he informed authorities that he would not press charges. His second response? He defended his wife’s attempts to kill him. He felt so guilty being sexually unfaithful that he thanked his wife! He then re-proposed to her. She verbally abused him, then accepted.

    4.) THE “BATTERED WOMAN SYNDROME” DEFENSE, AKA LEARNED HELPLESSNESS

    Until 1982, anyone who called premeditated murder self-defense would have been laughed out of court. But in 1982, Lenore Walker won the first legal victory for her women-only theory of learned helplessness, which suggests that a woman whose husband or boyfriend batters her becomes fearful for her life and helplessness to leave him so if she kills him, it is really self-defense – even if she has premeditated his murder. The woman is said to be a victim of the Battered Woman Syndrome. Is it possible a woman could kill, let’s say, for insurance money? Lenore Walker says no: she claims, “Women don’t kill men unless they’ve been pushed to a point of desperation.” Ironically feminists had often said, “There’s never an excuse for violence against a woman.” Now they were saying, “But there’s always an excuse for violence against a man… if a woman does it.” That sexism is now called the law in 15 states.

    5.) “THE DEPRESSED MOTHER” DEFENSE: BABY BLUES AND TERRIBLE TWOS

    Remember Sheryl Lynn Massip, a mother in her mid-twenties who murdered he 6-month old son by crushing its head under the wheel of the family car? Massip systematically covered up the murder until she was discovered. Then she testified that she suffered from post-partum depression – or “baby blues.” Her sentence?? Treatment. Mothers do, get the baby blues. As do dads. Were the husband to kill his baby, as Sheryl Lynn did, it is unlikely that we would just treat him for baby blues or Save the Marriage Syndrome. Why does her version of baby blues allow her to receive treatment for child murder, when he would receive life in prison for child murder, with or without baby blues?

    The Terrible Twos

    Josephine Mesa beat her 2-year-old son to death with the wooden handle of a toilet plunger. She buried the battered baby in a trash bin. When scavengers found the baby outside her Oceanside, California apartment, she denied she new him. When the evidence became overwhelming, she confessed. The excuse? She was depressed. The child was going through terrible twos. The punishment? Counseling, probation and anti-depressants. She never spent a day behind bars.

    6. THE “MOTHERS DON’T KILL” DEFENSE

    ITEM. Illinois. Paula Sims reported that her first daughter, Loralei, was abducted by a masked gunman. In fact she murdered Loralei. But she got away with it. So when her next daughter, Heather Lee, disappointed her, she suffocated her, threw her in the trash barrel, and said another masked gunman had abducted her daughter. It wasn’t until the second “masked gunman” abduction that a serious search was conducted. Only the serious search led to evidence. Might Heather Lee be alive today if mothers did not have a special immunity from serious investigation?

    7. THE “CHILDREN NEED THEIR MOTHER” DEFENSE

    ITEM. Colorado. Lory Foster’s husband had returned from Vietnam and was going through mood-swings both from post traumatic stress syndrome and diabetes. They had gotten into a fight and he had abused her. So she killed him. Yet, even the prosecutor did not ask for a jail term. Why not? So Lory could care for the children… Lory was given counseling and vocational training at state expense.The most frequent justification for freeing mothers who kill their children is that their children need them. Moreover, if mothers were freed because “children are the first priority,” then fathers would be freed just as often. But they are not. Even when no mother is available.

    8. THE “BLAME THE FATHER, UNDERSTAND THE MOTHER” DEFENSE

    ITEM. Ramiro Rodriguez was driving back from the supermarket. His daughter was sitting on his wife’s lap. As Ramiro made a left turn, a van crashed into the car and his daughter was killed. Ramiro was charged with homicide. The reason? His daughter was not placed in a safety seat. Ramiro explained that his daughter was sick and wanted to be held so HIS WIFE DECIDED to hold her. Yet only Ramiro was charged. The mother was charged with nothing. Ramiro was eventually acquitted after protests over the racism. No one saw the sexism.

    9.) THE “MY CHILD, MY RIGHT TO ABUSE IT” DEFENSE

    A million crack-addicted children since 1987, but only sixty of the mothers have faced criminal charges. One was convicted. That conviction was reversed by the Michigan Supreme Court. 3 percent of infants in Washington D.C. die from cocaine addiction, but no mothers go to prison. The right to choose means the right to kill – not a fetus but a child. Should the mother who addicts her child to crack have any more rights another child abuser or drug dealer. How can we give a normal drug dealer a life sentence but claim that a mother that deals drugs to her own child should not so much as stand trial? If we feel compassion for the circumstances that drove her to drugs, where is our compassion for the circumstances that drove the drug dealer to drugs, the child abuser to abuse, the murderer…

    10. THE PLEA BARGAIN DEFENSE

    Once a woman is seen as more innocent, her testimony is more valued, which leads to prosecutors offering the woman a plea bargain in crimes committed jointly by a woman and a man. And if a District Attorney is up for reelection, the Chivalry Factor allows him to look like a hero when his office prosecutes a man or a bully if he should put a woman behind bars.

    11.) THE SVENGALI DEFENSE

    A beautiful woman dubbed “The Miss America Bandit” conducted an armed robbery of a bank. Federal Sentencing guidelines called for a minimum of four and a half to five years in federal prison. The federal judge gave her two years because she told the judge that she was in love with her hairdresser and he had wanted her to rob the bank. The judge concluded, “Men have always exercised malevolent influence over women, and women seem to be soft-touches for it, particularly if sex is involved….It seems to me the Svengali-Trilby relationship is the motivating force behind this lady….the main thing is sex.” [Svengali is a fictional character said to have hypnotic qualities of persuasion over the innocent Trilby.]

    12.) THE CONTRACT KILLING DEFENSE… DEFEND SELF BY HIRING SOMEONE ELSE

    When I did the first review of my files in preparation for this section on contract killing, I was struck by some fascinating patterns. First, all of these women hired boys or men. Second, their targets were usually husbands, ex-husbands, or fathers – men they had once loved. Third, the targeted man usually had an insurance policy significantly larger than the man’s next few years income. Fourth, the women often were never serious suspects until some coincidence exposed their plot. Fifth, the women usually chose one of three methods by which to kill: she (1) persuaded her boyfriend to do the killing (in reverse Svengali style); (2) hired some young boys from a disadvantaged background to do it for a small amount of money; or (3) hired a professional killer, thus usually using the money her husband earned to kill her husband. Dixie Dyson tucked in her husband for his last night’s sleep. She had arranged to have a lifelong friend and a boyfriend pretend to “break and enter,”, then rape her, kill her husband, then “escape.” She would collect the insurance money.

    At the last moment, the lifelong friend backed out, but the boyfriend and Dixie managed to kill Dixie’s husband after 27 stabbings. They were caught. Dixie “cut a deal” to reduce her sentence by reporting the boyfriend and his friend. The friend who backed out got 25 years for conspiracy.

    Deborah Ann Werner was due one third of her dad’s estate. She asked her daughter to find some boys to murder him by plunging a knife through his neck.

    Diana Bogadanoff hired two young men to kill her husband on an isolated nudist beach, while she watched. After he was shot through the head, she reported the killers but produced no motive for the murder – no money was stolen and she was not sexually molested. Diana did not become a suspect until an anonymous caller contacted a nationwide crime hotline. The caller coincidentally heard about the murder on the radio and remembered a friend describing just such a murder he had refused to do… on an isolated nudist beach while a woman named Diana watched. Without this tip, Diana would never have become even a suspect.

    HOW INDIVIDUAL WOMEN ARE GIVEN MORE POWER TO KILL THAN THE ENTIRE U.S. GOVERNMENT

    Taken together, the twelve female-only defenses allow almost any woman to take it upon herself to “exercise the death penalty.” The government is not allowed to take it upon itself to kill someone first and declare him or her an abuser later – only a woman can do that to a man.

    DO MEN KILL WOMEN MORE THAN WOMEN KILL MEN?

    THE SIX BLINDERS

    1. A woman is more likely to poison a man than shoot him, and poisoning is often recorded as a heart attack or accident. [This will skew the figures]

    2. Contract killing is also less detectable because it is premeditated and often hired out to a professional. When it is discovered the Department of Justice registers it as a “multiple offender killing” – it never gets recorded as a woman killing a man. [This will skew the figures]

    3. The money factor. Women who murder husbands or boyfriends usually come from middle class backgrounds The money allows the best lawyers, more acquittals, therefore fewer female murderers to become Justice Department Statistics.

    4. and 5. The Chivalry Factor, the Innocent Woman Factor prevent many women from becoming serious suspects to begin with.

    6. The Plea Bargain Defense sometimes leads to the dismissal of charges.

    When the six blinders are combined, we can see how we have consciously and unconsciously kept ourselves blind to women who murder men. A distortion of statistics is created by the Six Blinders. But a distortion of perception is created by the media’s tendency to make it international news when men murder women (the University of Montreal Murderer, the Hillside and Boston stranglers) and, unless the man is famous, to make it local news when a woman murders only a man.

    In brief, it is impossible to know the degree to which the sexes kill each other. The only thing we know for certain is that both sexes kill more men than they kill women.

  65. Paul, what the hell are you talking about? Did you miss this right here?

    Delete per WP:BIO1E, WP:NOTNEWS etc. Wikipedia is not a platform for the promotion of ‘men’s rights’, or for any other political cause – and doubly so when the apparent suicide of a disturbed person is being exploited for that cause. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:53, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

    Please show me the feminists who consider Andrea Yates a hero the way MRAs consider Thomas Ball a hero. Because I can’t seem to find them.

  66. Also, what’s with the entire blog post you just copy and pasted? There are these things called links, dude. Please use them.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 8,476 other followers

%d bloggers like this: