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Spearheader: Women get jobs out of spite

Evil women oppressing men and destroying the economy.

JeremiahMRA’s call for lady murder wasn’t the only highlight (by which I mean lowlight) of that Fathers’ Day thread on The Spearhead. Towgunner also posted a rambling wall-of-text in which he offered some most intriguing thoughts on Fathers’ Day, economics, feminism, and ladies in general. Here’s are some excerpts, which I have taken the liberty of breaking into separate paragraphs:

Happy Oppressor’s day. I really like passive aggressive ruse by feminists who claim that housework is beneath them and thus oppressive. And yet, in honor of men and fathers, we have posts and articles discussing how fatherhood has “evolved”? …  

Like everything from feminism it contradicts itself. If equality is to “liberate” women (from staying at home, oh the humanity!) and that staying at home is something pathetic, then why doesn’t that apply to all people? Under this new understanding, no one should be subjected to the indignity of staying at home. So why are women throwing temper tantrums yet nothing is said of men?

Uh, maybe the issue is that men and women should be able to decide if they want to stay at home, rather than being compelled to either work or stay home based on their gender. Not that this choice is really a choice for most people, as most mothers, like most fathers, have to work.

Worse, if there is a trend of men staying at home, then it is a disturbing trend indicative of the major structural perversions created by government intervention.

Watch out, you’re spilling conspiracy theory all over your misogyny.

Today, thanks to our “smarter” and “faster” women, we’re to believe that fulfillment is an internship at goldman sachs…and, oh by the way, all these longer hours “they” are paying you less…and less and less.

Because … feminists are responsible for long hours and stagnating wages?

And then women write books on how their disadvantaged from “asking for more money”, because they were brought up with dolls? Never once do they acknowledge that everyone is being paid less because since the government gave them “their chance” it created incredible amounts of malinvestment, which effectively bankrupted the US and the West.

Ah yes, “allowing” women to enter into the workforce – never mind that they’ve always been in the workforce in large numbers – somehow caused the financial crisis that led to our current malaise? Towgunner, please show your work here.

This is all to show that women can be a part of human progress. It pains them to no end when they flip through a history book and its one man after the next. I say that they did have their chance and look at the results – we will go through another crisis, likely a huge global reset and the US is, right now, a vastly different country (not for the better)…look at our culture we celebrate death and killing people…we hold the most decadent and immoral on high.

You do realize that men still basically run the economy, right? That as of 2011 there were only 12 female CEOs in the Fortune 500? That the overwhelming majority of economic movers and shakers, in governments and in the private sector, are men?

The women’s world is here, they do things not out of practical necessity but out of spite, Mother’s Day comes and they bemoan house wives, Father’s day comes and they point out that some men are staying home. There is nothing practical here, there is spite, there is insult, and there is hubris.

Women get jobs out of spite?

I don’t admire women, I don’t ever want to be one either, there is nothing noble about them. In fact I find it an insult to be called “equal” to them at all.

And a happy belated Fathers’ Day to you too, Towgunner!

This comment got me thinking about the old Martha and the Muffins song “Women Around the World at Work.” So here it is:

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Posted on June 18, 2012, in antifeminism, evil women, matriarchy, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed men, reactionary bullshit, the spearhead. Bookmark the permalink. 60 Comments.

  1. I don’t admire women, I don’t ever want to be one either, there is nothing noble about them. In fact I find it an insult to be called “equal” to them at all.

    But they’re not a hate movement!

  2. Watch out, you’re spilling conspiracy theory all over your misogyny.

    Literally lol’ed. On campus, too! Now the studenty folks are going to think I’m crazy!

  3. Are NWO and Towgunner the same person? I swear I’ve heard this shit before.

  4. I don’t ever want to be one either

    … Was that an option? Like, he might accidentally become a woman?

  5. it created incredible amounts of malinvestment, which effectively bankrupted the US and the West

    I read that as “male investment” and thought “hey, that sounds about right.”

  6. Did I seriously just use crazy like that? :-/ Sorry everybody, and me mentally ill myself. Sometimes when I’m super-exhausted I don’t think things through near enough.

    Anyway the point is DAVID FUTRELLE YOU ARE FUNNY.

  7. It’s not like staying home and doing housework is an option any woman can cash in at any time. You gotta feed yourself somehow until an independently wealthy and generous man decides to take you for his wife.

    I realize the ideal is that this happens immediately after high school (or during…), but we gotta have some sort of option in case there’s a delay.

  8. @Cliff

    What, are street corners are too hard for you to cry on now or something? Everyone knows only men get sore bottoms from sitting on hard surfaces.

  9. I admit it: I spent the greater part of two decades getting college degrees, working multiple jobs, taking out student loans, living on between $5000-$7000 a year (this was a long time ago) just to get a job teaching English (I finally paid off my students loans when I turned 50) out of SPITE.

    Yep.

    Just so I could walk around the place kicking the men in gutters, spending money on cat litter and other cat accoutrements and, well, cats, in a SPITEFUL fashion.

    You got me.

    I confess it all.

    actually i got a doctorate so i could teach science fiction in college classes ahahahahahahah

  10. Yep this is pretty horrid. I wonder how Towgunner and other MRAs here feel when they realize that the only reason they’re alive spouting hate on the internet today is because they leeched nutrients in their mother’s womb for 9 months, wreaked hell on their mother’s body only only then to push their big ugly heads out of their mother’s vagina.

    But hey if you think this is bad you guys should check out the comments on the most recent spearhead article. Seems like one of their own (Rmaxed) is calling for violence. I think the comment was deleted. Either way it is barely being called out, in fact the tone there doesn’t seem to think its that big a deal.

    But yeah…totes not a hate movement!

  11. “I don’t admire women, I don’t ever want to be one either, there is nothing noble about them. In fact I find it an insult to be called “equal” to them at all.”

    And MRAs have the nerve to declare the MRM is about equality. Bullshit. The mask slips, and we see how they really feel about women.

  12. God, how many times has the masked slipped with these hateful asshats? I lost count at the 400th time. At least most people aren’t this horrid.

    In before BUT AN EVIL ZOMBIE FEMINIST SAID SOMETHING MEAN ONCE

  13. CassandraSays

    I will forever bless Tom Martin for making being butthurt an official part of the MRA political position.

    In other news, women get jobs because they need to eat, not because they’re mean meanies who want to make men miserable.

  14. It’s true; I get paid in spite. It’s how I pay my mortgage.

  15. I get paid in spite, use shrillness to settle my phone bill and cover the rent with misandry.

  16. Just getting to submissive-housewife status is risky in MRA-land, too.

    First you gotta make sure the gentleman you’re wooing is a “women belong in the home!” MRA and not a “women shouldn’t expect me to support them!” MRA. (You gotta make extra sure he’s not one of the ones who somehow believe both.)

    Then you gotta sleep with him! If you tell him you won’t have sex until marriage, he’ll be very upset that you’re evilly controlling his ability to have sex with you.

    But once you sleep with him, you have to make sure he then marries you, because if he breaks up with you then you’re now damaged goods and no man will want a used woman.

    But you can’t be too pushy because entrapping men in marriage is very very bad.

    Oh, yeah, just remember while you’re playing this little game: if you fail at any point in this process, you starve! If he fails he maybe doesn’t get laid for a little while.

  17. Those abolitionists are telling me I should pick my own damn cotton, these hypocrites! If cotton picking is not good enough for the slaves why should I have pick my own?

    It’s almost as though if women don’t do all the chores at home *somebody* has to pick up the remaining work somehow.

  18. Crumbelievable

    Watch out, you’re spilling conspiracy theory all over your misogyny

    “You got your conspiracy theories in my misogyny!”
    “You got your misogyny in my conspiracy theories!”

  19. I’m so indoctrinated by feminism that merely getting a job wasn’t spiteful enough for me. I had to start my own business. And then steal the one job that business created. From….

    …I’ll get back to you on that one.

    My business imports spite, btw. We’d get into “insults” and “hubris,” but, y’know, tariffs.

  20. I work a pretty awesome customer service job (which ruined my everything today, but hopefully tomorrow will be better.) I’ve put in quite a few hours of overtime this pay period, taking advantage of every opportunity my manager has extended to me. This week is one of our absolute busiest service times, and I’m staying late every night except one. It’s good work, but fuck it’s exhausting when it’s nonstop like it was today.

    But, dear J is probably right. I’m probably doing all of this work out of spite. So a man can’t work my (remarkably gender-typed) job! Hey Jer, want my job? It’s one of those cushy office positions the wimminz are always stealing, not a back-breaking manual job like men are forced to take. It’s fantastic. You’re cool with making maybe 1/2 — 2/3 the wages you’d be making on one of those back-breaking jobs, right?

    You’re cool, also, if your entire job revolves around making other people happy? People who may dismiss your well-meant attempts to help them as the prattlings of someone neither informed enough, nor senior enough, to be worth their time? You’re cool with staying calm as someone yells at you because, already several thousand dollars in debt to your organisation, they aren’t permitted to dig a bigger hole?* Your manly ego can handle that, right buddy? We all already know your Rage-o-Meter never moves much past zero, so that will be an asset for you.

    And if you can handle all that, surely you wouldn’t mind in the least if other people thought your job was something a monkey could do, yes? If folks told you that “you’re lucky you’re so pretty, so you can work a little job like this”? On that note, if people you are trying to help professionally called your voice “melifluous”, and complimented you on being so “statuesque”**? This is your dream job, isn’t it, and I’ve stolen it right out from under you! If only I didn’t have to eat, I could have surrendered it to you, the rightful candidate.

    *Not a one-time occurence, by the way. One of the more common calls we receive.
    **On the phone, of all things. I had no idea my voice conveyed height o_O.

  21. If its not clear, by the way, I really enjoy my job. But I’m not a pulsing mass of ego, entitlement and rage, like JeremiahMRA.

  22. Conspirary theories and misogyny: two good tastes that taste good together!

    It’s the MRA Penis Bitter Cup!

    *ducks*

  23. @Dani Alexis: We’d get into “insults” and “hubris,” but, y’know, tariffs.

    *spits water out nose*

    OW!

    *wipes self dry and applauds*

  24. BWAH at MRA Penis Bitter Cup. Is that to be eaten in penis waving lock-step?

  25. @Hellkell: Of course!

    Or alone.

    Penis Bitter Cups are good for ALL occasions.

  26. …Wait, so he’s arguing that the past fifty years were worse than, say, the Middle Ages? o.O I’m just saying, the time periods in which feminism didn’t exist have been much more miserable than the modern day.

  27. @scarlet I hope I’m not offending this Forbes commenter by cutting and pasting, but their comment is so kick ass it’s worth a read, in full.

    Nathan Watts 4 hours ago
    The author has a responsibility to address your comments in a manner that is professional and in keeping with the standards of the company’s policy regarding the communication with its readers.

    I however, am not constrained by this and can address your comments in exactly the manner for which it properly deserves.

    I cannot begin to describe how ignorant, uneducated, and misogynic your statement is. Honestly, it’s a complete embarrassment on so many levels…

    It is obvious that you have never served sir, or you would already know the fundamental flaws in your statements.

    First and foremost, as a military vet, I am insulted that you think so less of us as a WHOLE. Do you think you didn’t insult men in uniform with your thoughtless commentary? Think again oh sage of the ages… who do you think are making these decisions to begin with?

    When you make these statements that you did about women you are simultaneously stating that you do not trust the military to make decisions about how it conducts itself, you do not believe men have the maturity or intelligence to be able to complete their mission without letting themselves be “fettered” by their female comrades, and you do not believe our leaders have the experience or knowledge to make an informed decision regarding these matters.

    Well, as a 20 year vet I must say, I sure am glad to have someone as smart and wise as you come along and set 200 years and millions of military personnel throughout that time straight! Whew! Thank God for you! Now we can do it right!

    News flash: They have been fighting side by side with us the whole time. Whether or not they get the recognition for what they have done throughout history or that they ever are given true “combat status” is irrelevant. Facts do not change: they have been doing it and will continue to do so. Boys like you that can’t wake up to this need not apply to the club. Yes, I said boy. I don’t care what your numerical “age” is; I’m referring to your mentality.

    A point I don’t see addressed very much in these discussions, but is a deafening blow to any paranoid woman hater: Anyone anywhere in any job can tell you, if they are clinical in their observation and honest, military included, that 70% do the work, the other 30% watch, find ways to get out of it, and are a burden to the shop, and thus the mission itself. In all complete honesty, this is probably a “generous” percentage.

    Women comprise of 10% of the military. Before ANYONE talks any bs about how women don’t belong, you need to show me that you have PROPERLY culled the ranks. Not just discharge people to meet a “downsize quota” – but get rid of the dirtbags. This won’t ever happen – so the entire discussion about whether or not women belong in the military is dead from INCEPTION.

    I have had women subordinates, peers, and CO’s that could dance circles around many of my supposed “male” peers. THIS IS FACT. I HIGHLY suspect you would be one of those weak links – all the while fuming how it’s “women’s fault.”

    Now please do the rest of the 21st Century a favor, and log off the internet, sell your computer, and never come back. We don’t need you and we will be just fine without ya.

  28. Yeah I saw that, great answer to elmer.

  29. The Sensual Coalition of Men

    “”I don’t ever want to be one either”

    … Was that an option? Like, he might accidentally become a woman?”

    Don’t you know? Women being allowed in the workforce feminizes their male coworkers because we can’t tell all our awesome rape jokes anymore and we have to keep our pants on.

  30. OSHA is a tool of the gynocratic conspiracy. Without it pantslessness for all would be the norm.

  31. So if my grandmother got into accounting because she could make a decent salary at it (and support her male children and sick husband) and then my father decided to go into the same field because he figured he could make a decent salary too, does his manly virtue cancel out her feminine spite?

  32. I have some good news, and some bad news, for our beloved Towgunner: I have not yet met a woman that I would consider him an equal to

  33. OSHA is a tool of the gynocratic conspiracy. Without it pantslessness for all would be the norm.

    Here’s a little anecdote. A million years ago, I was an office peon for a lab. The air conditioning unit was broken, it was summer, and it regularly got to 36C in our offices. We took to wearing summery clothing.

    One of the (older, overweight) men office peons wore shorts to work one day, as many of the (youngish, not-overweight) women office peons had been doing for weeks, and got reprimanded. Apparently, a man wearing shorts in an office connected to a lab is a safety hazard, whereas a woman wearing shorts in an office connected to a lab is just hunky-dory.

    Nothing AT ALL to do with the relative attractiveness of the exposed legs. Or the assumption that OF COURSE man peon worked IN the lab, and OF COURSE women peons were just secretaries.

  34. Fucking blockqutoes. Er, blockquotes.

  35. PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

    It pains them to no end when they flip through a history book and its one man after the next.

    Yes actually that does pain me. If one thinks about it, imagine where we would be if women had been able to develop to their full potential instead of having to dance around the insane rules created to prevent them from doing so? And it annoys me that the contributions of the women who’s hard work made it possible for those men to go haring off on those adventures are completely ignored. They raised the children, kept the house, hosted the parties, did the extra money earning and countless other tasks to let the man become all important to history.

    I say that they did have their chance and look at the results

    What chance? You mean the past fifty years of roaring changes that have made life in many many ways so much better for so many people as women have gradually stopped being stifled? That chance? The sad thing is that the chance is still not complete because of asshats like this guy. When women comprise of 50% of all leadership positions-then, and only then, would I say we can assess the results. So far it looks pretty darn good even with today’s craptastic economy.

  36. “Women only work to spite men!”
    “But women need to work to survive.”
    “Women only survive to spite men!”

    [insert my usual long rambling about classism, women, privilege, and labor here]

    I find it amusing too that he thinks the idea that housework is oppressive absurd when women do it, but if men do it, it’s a horrific and unthinkable injustice.

  37. Riiiight, ignore that good paying jobs are scarce due to outsourcing and blame it all on the women. Notice the economy didn’t start to decline until recently, when big corporations started shipping factory work, call centers, etc overseas. Women who expect at least the same wage as men are not the competition here, people in china who work for a tiny fraction of what you expect are.

    And who thought outsourcing was a good idea? Could that be the men in charge of most corporations??

    Also, I just did a really quick breakdown on my tumblr of a gww post which included a really quick list of how much house work costs when hiring someone to do it

    http://unrest.tumblr.com/post/25412948918

    The whole thing is really long, but here is what I found on average rates you would pay someone for the work that housewives (and working women who still do the house work) do:

    -According to the National Association of Child Care Resource and Referral Agencies (NACCRRA), home daycare averages around $650 a month for infants, toddlers, and preschoolers. It ranges from about $3,582 to $11,940 per year (less in rural areas, a lot more in big cities)

    -This includes a surrogate’s fee that is often in the range of $10,000 to $20,000.

    -Prices start at about $50 to clean a small apartment twice a month, and can go on up to $250 or more to regularly clean a five bedroom, two-story home. Larger homes or less frequent visits can cost even more.

    In addition, one time cleaning, such as when you move in, or out of, a new home or want a seasonal overhaul, can start at $150 for a small place and go up to about $500 for a larger house in need of more work.

    So it can cost from $50 to $250 to clean a home, depending on how many rooms, how messy they are and what you want done and how often, and may go up to as high as $500 for a one-time over haul.

    -The next step is deciding how many meals you need. Although prices and packages vary, most chefs offer what’s known as a “five by four” — four portions of five entrées and side dishes. This will provide 20 dinner-size servings. Personal chefs also offer a “five by two” — two portions of five entrées. But this is usually not cost-effective. A typical five-by-four costs between $350 and $400, including groceries. That’s $17.50 to $20 per person, more than a family-style eatery but less than an upscale restaurant. A five-by-two — half as much food — costs only about 20% less, $285 to $325, or around $30 a person.

    -Personal Shopper Hourly Rate $8.24 – $44.70

    This was a response to GWW describing the male/female relationship as:

    “Women wanted to be protected, provided for and given the things they want and need. And men have, for the most part, kept doing that, for decades, even as what women say they want and need has changed.”

    Yeah, really looks like women are just being given these things and not earning them. Ugh.

  38. And MRAs have the nerve to declare the MRM is about equality. Bullshit. The mask slips, and we see how they really feel about women.

    The MRM is about equality!

    Now, let me give you a list of ways that men are better than women…

  39. In other news, women get jobs because they need to eat, not because they’re mean meanies who want to make men miserable.

    Too bad being female doesn’t preclude us from having to eat and pay bills.

  40. Well, now that’s a coincidence- I don’t want to be an MRA, and I’m pretty sure that kickass high-paying jobs don’t just jump out and hire ANYONE, much less whiny jerks who have anger and misogyny issues (unless they “know someone”).

    Why do these idiots have to blame women as a whole for their own personal failure at life? Plenty of men succeed and fail without treating women like they have evil conspiracy vaginas. Perhaps the structural inequalities are actually, ya know, more *complicated* than just blaming an entire group of people based on a phenotypical resemblance.

    Actually, you know what I think? I’d love to see these guys get married to each other. I think they’d be perfect for each other.

  41. I’m pretty sure that, as a woman, I only eat breakfast and take showers out of spite.

  42. I got JeremiahMRA and Towgunner confused v.v.

    Anyway, just so you know, Spearheaders, if I actually didn’t need food to survive I would gladly give up my female-typed (and consequently undervalued) work. I would stop stealing jobs from worthy men, and you guys would have the opportunity to do the sorts of paid labour that have been coded female since before and during the idyllic 50s you keep misremembering. But I don’t think that’s what you want. I think you think you’re too good for women’s work.

    I think what you’re really after is making women entirely financially dependent on men, so that if you manage to get involved with a woman she won’t be able to leave you. She’ll be grateful for the opportunity to do whatever household labour you don’t want to do for room and board, because it’s her only choice, regardless of how you treat her.

  43. OSHA is a tool of the gynocratic conspiracy. Without it pantslessness for all would be the norm.

    When I have to do my quarterly hospital Environment of Care evaluation, I consult my OSHA manual, particularly the Misandry appendix in the back. I can confirm that OSHA requires pants to remain on in the workplace.

    There’s also a set of standards to ensure that your workplace be as miserable as it can for men.

    Fact.

  44. Argenti Aertheri

    “In fact I find it an insult to be called “equal” to them at all.”

    And this is why we still need feminism, thanks for proving the point I guess?

    Re: OHSA and pants — only required if your job requires pants, sorry for the tautology but not all jobs require pants (eg lifeguards). Get a pantsless job if pants are so hard?

  45. I looked through history and see men too, and many of these men committed atrocities on scales no woman has ever come close to committing. And this asshole has the audacity to look down on women? Go figure.

  46. No discussion about having to wear pants being oppressive would be complete without a link to this:

  47. I firmly support the right of men and people of all other genders, to wear skirts and dresses to work where safety/practicality rules permit.

  48. Argenti Aertheri

    darksidecat — while I doubt that’s what the MRM meant, I wholeheartedly agree. They’d laugh though if we said that the patriarchy hurts men too because they can’t wear skirts (the MRAs that is, not men in general, I know skirt wearing men). And I’m not going to guess what the MRM would say about non-binaries, but skirts/dresses for everyone sound excellent.

    In related things, it is way too hot for pants today.

  49. darksidecat – I, for one, enjoy a man in a utilikilt.

  50. I hate when they say: women never contributed anything to history, therefore INFERIOR

    It’s like- Uh, don’t you know women weren’t ALLOWED to contribute to history?! Wpmen were banned from schools/earning money/owning property yadda yadda

    Le sigh

  51. MorkaisChosen

    There’s also the more subtle point that women did contribute to history, but it didn’t get recorded so much.

  52. @rjjspeshImmir Yes, of course, but you must bear in mind that most of these people refer to women as “children” and seriously believe we shouldn’t have the right to vote NOW (or earn money, or get higher education degrees…)

  53. It’s also worth pointing that a lot of ‘History’ is the tale of people plotting and killing and torturing and manipulating each other for power, nations declaring war to each others and a lot of colonization. None of those are things, I believe, makes the people involve better than the rest of people.

  54. Hippodameia: So if my grandmother got into accounting because she could make a decent salary at it (and support her male children and sick husband) and then my father decided to go into the same field because he figured he could make a decent salary too, does his manly virtue cancel out her feminine spite?

    His not making her go home, so some other man could have her job compounds her spite.

    Lady Zombie: How about an everyday sort of Scottish Kilt? I’m partial to a Black Watch Plaid myself, though I expect to add either The Highland Regt, or the Sunderlands to my wardrobe.

  55. Pecunium – Of course authentic kilts are preferable but since authentic kilts with all the accoutrements are rather expensive, I’ll take what I can get!

    The Scottish side of my family is Stewart, and since anymore this is like being a Smith, it’s been impossible to track down the proper family tartan.

  56. MorkaisChosen

    “It’s also worth pointing that a lot of ‘History’ is the tale of people plotting and killing and torturing and manipulating each other for power, nations declaring war to each others and a lot of colonization.”

    The other chunk of it is discovery, finding out about the world, and making new things and new ideas- people like Isaac Newton (by all accounts a total cock, actually) and Albert Einstein and Marie Curie and Sophie Germain.

    Shameless optimist, at times…

    Since I mentioned her, may as well throw in a quote from Gauss (one of the big names in maths) about Sophie Germain (who wrote to him under the name Monsieur leBlanc, because sexism, then told him her real name later):

    “How can I describe my astonishment and admiration on seeing my esteemed correspondent M leBlanc metamorphosed into this celebrated person. . . when a woman, because of her sex, our customs and prejudices, encounters infinitely more obstacles than men in familiarising herself with [number theory's] knotty problems, yet overcomes these fetters and penetrates that which is most hidden, she doubtless has the most noble courage, extraordinary talent, and superior genius.”

    That just makes me happy…

  57. There are some quite decent non-wool kilts for the 150 CDN range. Shipped a decent kilt is in the 200-250 USD range, and a Utilikilt is, for me, a custom order only, they aren’t all that much cheaper.

    As to “proper” plaids, there ain’t no such beast. All those, “family” versions are creations of the Victorians. In the heyday of the Clans they were varied beyond measure. The only one’s I have reservations about using are those which are active regts (with the exception of the genericisation of the Black Watch). So I feel moderately comfortable with any of the plaids in the Highland regt’s, because I’ve served with them (tangientally).

  58. “In fact I find it an insult to be called “equal” to them at all.” and they seriously think people take them seriously when they claim they aren’t misogynists.

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