Argumentum ad Kittypicturem: A Rebuttal

Manosphere doofuses have a wide assortment of excuses for dismissing this blog without actually having to deal with anything I’ve ever actually said.  There’s the old “you’re a misandrist bigot so I don’t have to read anything of yours to know what you think” argument; no evidence of the alleged misandry is ever given. There’s the old “you call yourself Man Boobz and that’s a silly name so I can pretend that nothing you say counts” excuse; actually, I call you guys the “man boobz,” but never mind. Then there’s the old “he’s fat” chestnut. (See the next-to-last pic here.)

My favorite excuse, though, is a little logical fallacy you might call “argumentum ad kittypicturem.” That is, the claim that I can’t be taken seriously because sometimes I post pictures of adorable kitties. I’m not sure why these pictures confuse and infuriate misogynists to the extent that they do, but I’m sort of happy this is the case, because every time I run across it, it gives me an excuse to POST MORE KITTY PICTURES.

This time the kitty picture hater is the lying liar Dalrock, whom we’ve met several times before—most recently when he complained about women taking jobs from men by “playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.”

In a post with the ponderous yet somehow also very silly title “We need worthy adversaries,” Dalrock dismisses my blog as one of the unworthy ones, the only example of said unworthiness being this post I made featuring pictures of several adorable  kittens.

Here is my rebuttal:

Yes, that’s a hedgehog. Let’s see how they deal with THAT!

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Posted on June 4, 2012, in antifeminism, cuteness, evil fat fatties, evil women, idiocy, kitties, lying liars, misandry, misogyny, MRA. Bookmark the permalink. 195 Comments.

  1. What David does is turning the horribleness of it all in something often funny. I smile or laugh most of the time I read his article, but almost each time I follow the links to check context or other comments, I feel sickened by what I read. David is an alchemist!

  2. Kyrie: Actually, that’s exactly how I feel as well. I should learn not to follow the links!

  3. RE: Mental illness

    I’m actually in an unfortunate boat of realizing that I’ve finally reached the point where I’m not going to be able to work. Right now, I’m almost able to pull my shit together so we can drag our dilapidated ass in some of the time, but we’re running on fumes, and pretty soon, I know I’m going to crack for good and end up in a hospital or a loony-bin.

    I’m applying for disability, but I don’t really know what’s going to happen to us. I’ve hoarded almost three months savings (at extreme tight budget) but… well, we need a complete rest, and I know folks who’ve been hunting work in this city SIX months with no luck, and I really don’t want to have to crawl back to my parents, who I’ve cut off.

    And with all the stigma about being mentally ill… D:

  4. Argenti Aertheri

    LBT — good luck, I just got home from welfare telling me I’m too young to be disabled enough — and after editing this 3 times, I give up, I’m too angry to form a competent comment >.<

    Half a competent thought — when you apply, include the diagnosis you don't want to consider a problem, because it'll look serious on paper and it's all about appearances with them.

  5. Yeah, I can’t go for welfare; all I can find is for families and pregnant folks only. I look to be old enough, it’s all a matter of GETTING the damn stuff.

    Unfortunately, looks like I’ll need to be properly diagnosed. *sigh* At least I have some medical staff to back it up… too bad I’m not skinny enough to be anorexic…

  6. Argenti Aertheri

    LBT — pregnant, elderly, or disabled. They’ll require you apply for SSDI/SSI, but their definition of disabled is looser (I’m neither pregnant nor elderly, it’s the category I’m applying under) — they weren’t saying I’m not disabled enough by them, but that I am disabled enough by them but SSDI/SSI won’t care because “you’re young”. It was a lovely lecture on how technically yes, but how I basically suck anyways…now I see why they do interviews with random workers, I have no name to file a complaint against if I wanted to.

    And yeah, you need current records. Love the “too bad I’m not skinny enough to be anorexic” bit, but I’m honestly not sure my current psych would’ve caught it if I still was, I’m tiny and never got asked what I weigh (I say tiny, and not thin, because I’m 5’3″ and really hate being called short ^.^)

  7. RE: Argenti

    Yeah, anorexia has an actual weight requirement. Which is complete bollocks, since, you know. Collapsing every week I think is a better gauge for my well-being than a number on the scale. (Besides, testosterone is a magical weight-gainer for me. My grandma’s now worried about me getting fat.)

  8. Jesus LBT, I am so so so sorry that you are going through this.

  9. Oh no Rogan :( that’s terrible.

    Best of luck to you guys, my heart goes out to you.

  10. @Argenti/Rogan So sorry this country lacks a meaningful safety net. Take care, and let us know if there are ways we can help.

  11. RE: Everyone

    Thanks for the well wishes. As frustrated as I am by this, and pissed at my own lack of functioning, I at least know that I’ll be okay. I have friends and people who love me to help me out, and if things go permanently, irrevocably fucked, I can trudge back down South and move in with an aunt. This is far from ideal, since we’d be back in the singlet closet and stuck in inaccessible Southern suburbia, but at least I know I will not starve in a box.

    Though if anyone has advice on how to navigate the disability paperwork, that’d be great; I still have enough spoons for that, and it’s becoming pretty important that I find some means of ways to pay my rent.

    (Yes, yes, NWO or DKM: you can now call me a welfare queen.)

  12. Howard Bannister

    LBT: sadly, my experience with paperwork is pretty state-specific. And also less than helpful–in my experience if it didn’t have a doctor’s signature, it wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on.

    …welfare queen…

    You know, that is part of the ugly truth that they deny; that folks who are in the safety net are usually not just there because they’re enjoying it. Not to mention not enjoying it one bit.

    Oh, for a socialist president….

  13. I’ve made the big leagues at Anti-Manbobz. I’m being moderated; because, it seems, I’ve not been adequately accepting of the “arguments” M. Varpole makes.

    So sad.

  14. RE: Howard

    Yeah, when I’ve mentioned it, a few folks have said to me, “You realize that won’t get a lot of money.”

    And I’m like NO SHIT Y’THINK? I’m not looking to revel in diamonds and gold. I’m expecting to have less than I do now, which is poverty line. I just want (A) food, (B) utilities and (C) rent, at least enough to manage two of the three regularly. Everything else, I can find a way to make work, or survive without. (Not that I’m really in a good state to be going around without healthcare, but whatever. I’ll do what I have to.) I just need REST.

  15. LBT, I’m so sorry that you’re in such a miserable situation. I wish I could do something to help.

  16. RE: Lauralot89

    Meh, it’s okay. I’ve considered at some point trying some kind of art/writing fishbowl thing, which I’ve done for free in the past. Art is one of the few things I seem to be able to do okay in my current state, and drawing/writing for people makes me at least feel useful, like I’m giving them something worth their moolah, but most of the people I know are broke as I am and can’t really shell out for, I dunno, quick asexual romance or chalk exorcist porn. (I get cool prompters, okay?)

  17. Argenti Aertheri

    LBT — SSDI/SSI paperwork makes my head fucking spin, but the food stamps requirements are much easier to deal with. They’re state specific, so I can’t help much, but I’d definitely start there just because it’s the least absurd.

    “Yeah, when I’ve mentioned it, a few folks have said to me, ‘You realize that won’t get a lot of money.’” — yeah that’s basically what the welfare worker earlier was saying, I came very near to snapping at her that I didn’t realize I was coming in to have my mental health evaluated (she needed copies and thus walked away before pushing me to screaming)

    “Which is complete bollocks, since, you know.” — yes I know — I never met it, I was “just depressed” (anyone with a psych degree ever says that again and I might just be a danger to someone else for 5 min)

    Howard Bannister — “And also less than helpful–in my experience if it didn’t have a doctor’s signature, it wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on.” — TRUFAX! I will give the sisters of mercy this much, they basically spoon fed me that form, so I at least have that covered.

    Cloudiah — thank you, but being amusing company is about all anyone not well versed in this paperwork can do. And y’all are certainly amusing company!

    Pecunium — “I’ve made the big leagues at Anti-Manbobz.” — congrats? I think?

  18. >Take cat.

    Taken.

    >Take tiny SCENTED FUCKING CANDLE.

    Taken.

    >Balance tiny SCENTED FUCKING CANDLE on cat.

    I don’t understand what you’re trying to do here.

  19. RE: Argenti

    Already got the food stamps (praise god! Now my brain can’t play the game of, “You can’t buy that food! You need the money to pay for the healthcare for your eating disorder!”). I’m also hoping to get help on my rent. That just leaves the utilities and Everything Else, which, as I mentioned, I can make work somehow. (Bus can be replaced to some extent with bike, I’m well-stocked with clothes, toothpaste, and other such things.)

  20. @ LBT- Have you ever considered setting up an etsy store? I’ve bought artwork and comics from there in the past, and they work on commission. It might be worth checking out.

  21. MorkaisChosen

    Um.

    I think the idea was to create a critical mass of Nice Things (or if you’re a misogynistic arsehole, Woman Things) and see if it causes an explosion of sweetness and light.

    … It’s exam term, I can’t be expected to make sense.

  22. Kimberly is wonderful. Broccoli cat outgrew the mad passion, but is still fond of it. I’ve taken a few kittens to her, and lived with a few of her fosters.

  23. LBT: Enh… I’ve been told that if I don’t talk about what he wants to talk about; the way he wants me to talk about it, I will have my comments deleted; and on that thread my comments are moderated.

    It’s not that believes in censoring his blog, but I’m not being respectful enough, or something.

  24. Oh, geez, LBT and Argenti, both of your situations sound awful.

    Hugs and thoughts! Good luck!

  25. Oh jeez LBT. I read over my last comment, and then thought about the number of spoons required to keep a business running, and well. You said you needed rest. So I’m afraid that was insensitive of me.

  26. Argenti Aertheri

    LBT — “Now my brain can’t play the game of, “You can’t buy that food! You need the money to pay for the healthcare for your eating disorder!”” — yeah I’m glad the roommate/best-friend doesn’t own a scale, I don’t really want to know how much weight I gained when that catch-22 collapsed (probably not much by normal people standards, and the FWB sure won’t care, so idfk why I care >.<)

    Utilities there are programs for as well, idk about water but heating is LIHEAP — utilities are included here though so that’s all I know about that. Clothing wise I’ve long loved the salvation army, great prices and interesting finds, and I can sew, so cheap stuff I don’t feel guilty about cutting up is always nice.

  27. LBT, that’s totally crappy. I hope things get worked out okay.

    Argenti: Too young to be disabled? WAT

  28. Argenti Aertheri

    katz — somewhere in her lecture I think her point was that SSI pays shit and I don’t want to live on that little, see above where LBT already addressed that BS >.<

    I do really question whether she'd have even thought it if I were obviously disabled and not mentally ill though.

  29. Argenti/LBT: Hugs, because that sounds rough.

  30. LBT: Good thoughts heading your way. So sorry you’re having a rough time.

  31. It seems important to post this here, since I think this blog is how I found out about anti-oppressive baby animals:
    http://anti-oppressivebabyanimals.tumblr.com/post/24522076175/image-description-a-fuzzy-white-baby-seal-lies

  32. It’s okay. I’ll find a way to make it through; I always have, and I have an Endgame plan, so everything will be all right. It’ll just be sucky for a while.

  33. LBT and Argenti – Would that I had something more helpful to offer than my sympathy, but it’s yours for whatever it’s worth.

  34. Argenti Aertheri

    Dracula, pecunium, et al — thank you. Whomever said stubbornness was a bad thing never met me (or LBT apparently)

    LBT — “I’ll find a way to make it through; I always have” — is basically word for word my approach to life XD (“I’ll survive, I always do”)

  35. I laugh in the face of anyone who tells me the multi is going to destroy me. Seriously, if I didn’t have an in-built support system and system members who depend on me, I’d’ve kicked it an age ago. Stubbornness is a requirement.

  36. Even if you’re obviously disabled, with mountains of paperwork to back it up, there still isn’t much out there, as far as a safety net goes. I was diagnosed with lymphoma in March and… not sick enough for SSI or SSDI. I made too much money last year for any kind of state aid and there are few charities that help people with my diagnosis.

    Chemo is enough of a bitch that I’ve had to choose between treating cancer and being able to work. I’ve chosen to keep a roof over my head and food on the table, with the understanding that if I don’t figure something out pretty quick, I have about a year left. Hopefully, I can scrape up enough money every month to hire someone to drive me to work or I can expat and live with my uncle, where there’s free medical care and a pension for people with cancer.

    Nobody should have to make these choices.

  37. David K, Meller

    “Let’s see how they deal with THAT…”

    Cute little feller! Of course, it is a good thing that you were wearing gloves. Hedgehog quills aren’t as sharp as porcupine quills, but they can be nasty just the same.

    I suppose that hedgehogs need holding and petting too.

    Like many MRAs, I LIKE cute little animals. I only wish that more contemporary women shared their lovable charicteristics…playful, affectionate, pettable, cute, and attentive, among others.

  38. MorkaisChosen

    I’m torn between “I know countless women I could describe like that (if I didn’t bother mentioning that they’re fun to talk to)” and a sense of disquiet that you seem to be reducing women to a similar status to pets.

  39. Argenti Aertheri

    Nova — You’re right that no one should have to make these decisions, but still, I’m sorry you’re having to, and wish you the best with your chemo.

    DKM // MorkaisChosen — Some people do have all those qualities, even willingly acting like animals (eg furries) but generally not with people who insist that’s all they are >.< And no one who actually likes animals would ever acquire a reputation for saying a cat should be killed for scratching, you're a big declawing fan probably huh? (to the actual animal lovers annoyed by the scratching of cats, cardboard and duct tape the things they scratch, it'll protect your couch)

  40. Argenti Aertheri

    eep, oops, Morkais if it isn’t clear the you there is DKM, ditto the reputation

  41. My cat is soft, cute, playful, affectionate, pettable and yet he still loves clawing and biting anything that moves. He also doesn’t like creepy doll fetishists that laugh at the thought of women getting cancer and say murder victims must have brought it on themselves. Funny how that works.

  42. Howard Bannister

    Like many MRAs, I LIKE cute little animals. I only wish that more contemporary women shared their lovable charicteristics…playful, affectionate, pettable, cute, and attentive, among others.

    ….I….

    I just…

    SO… MUCH…. WRONG…

    Okay, firstly? Here, right here in this blog, so many of you awesome regular posters (who I think are more-or-less evenly split between men and women) have been being playful and affectionate on this thread, attentive, even.

    Pettable?

    That’s gross, dude. Gross.

  43. RE: Nova

    I have immense sympathy for you. And I’m not nearly as sick as you are.

    In my case, thankfully it seems I can at least hold my own against this shit, and if things go truly to pot, I can move back South and move in with my aunt. (Though I’ll lose my health insurance, my out-of-closetness, and local friends.) Hopefully this doesn’t happen.

    At this point, I’m not thinking about the future. I’m just focusing on keeping on.

    RE: Meller

    Well, I wish you were less of a dick, so there ya go.

  44. Argenti Aertheri

    “Pettable?

    That’s gross, dude. Gross.”

    Eh, not gross in general, just a bit TMI? Fetishes, people have them. (Gross from DKM, but not in general)

  45. Howard Bannister

    Eh, not gross in general, just a bit TMI? Fetishes, people have them. (Gross from DKM, but not in general)

    Actually, if I read this as a fetish and less as a general request that women’s bodies be permanently public property, it’s a lot less icky. In fact, if we read it that way it’s a slightly humanizing touch on the already-pretty-horrifying-kitten-hating DKM.

  46. Argenti Aertheri

    I guess it kind of would humanize him some, but I really only want to know the fetishes of people I might be indulging those for, or other cases of specifically seeking fetish related info, neither of which will apply to DKM, ever.

    In DKM context it probably does mean women as public property, which is gross, but it isn’t gross in general until it becomes “dude! TMI!!”

  47. …playful, affectionate, pettable, cute, and attentive, among others.

    …among others.

    “Others” meaning defenseless, lacking human intellect, unable to read or speak, having only what rights you choose to give them, having no legal recourse when abused, and so on in that fashion.

    I hardly need say it, but Meller, you’re pitiful, and you disgust me.

  48. Howard Bannister

    In DKM context it probably does mean women as public property, which is gross, but it isn’t gross in general until it becomes “dude! TMI!!”

    You’re absolutely right; when it comes to fetishes, it’s not okay to other and shame and go ‘ewww, icky.’

    But always appropriate to say that to folks who want to make women’s bodies public property. (which seems to be an integral part of the MRM…)

  49. Yeah, the problem with Meller is not that he has a fetish for zoomorphic slave girls. The problem is he’s a massive creep who earnestly desires to make his personal kink the law of the land.

  50. David K, Meller

    There is no fetish for “zoomorphic” slave girls (or any other kind of slave girls, for that matter) I only cite points where different forms of life–women and pretty kitties, being good examples–are admittedly different, and other points where a certain similarity may be observed, at least in ideal and fantasy.

    “Kitten hating ???” Nowhere did I suggest that a friendly, playful, and harmless kitten be killed! I only suggested doing away with them if, and only if, they posed a direct danger to their owners, guests, or other pets. If your kitten doesn’t,and it probably doesn’t, than let them play to their hearts content,claws and all!

    No, I DON’T favor declawing cats, except as a final last resort cited above! Next case…

  51. David K, Meller

    I don’t want to make my personal preferences here, or anywhere, the :law of the land”. ALL of ;my posts here show that without the disruptive and destructive influence of feminism and runaway gender-egalitarianism, women would be far more able to, and inclined to, please the significant man in their lives without the omnipresent feminoid background noise of alleged “exploitation”, “rape”, “discrimination”, :”abuse’ and other code words for their ongoing war-of-the-sexes which does so much to hurt everybody, male and female alike, for the benefit of a small, exclusive, and vicious political/media/ academic elite. They PROFIT from every hint of conflict between men and women, just as they profit enormously from all other political religious/ “racial” conflict in the larger society!

    Replace such code words with counterparts suggesting love, harmony, compatibility,gender specificity–men being men and women (G-d bless ‘em) being women–happiness, etc. and those bitter and hateful conflict-generating freaks (many, if not most of whom, are probably lezzies anyhow, and know nothing about how normal heterosexual relagtionships work) would have nothing to do, and would end up in gutters with little tin cups!

    Dysfunctionality in love and male/female relationships? Cure the DISEASE, not merely the symptoms. Repudiate feminism and gender egalitarianism now. Harmony, love, and compatibility, NOT “equality” should be the goals for us to strive for!

  52. Nowhere did I suggest that a friendly, playful, and harmless kitten be killed! I only suggested doing away with them

    yo.

  53. Oh look, it’s DKM skulking around trying to get he last word on a week old thread again.

    the omnipresent feminoid background noise of alleged “exploitation”, “rape”, “discrimination”, :”abuse’ and other code words for their ongoing war-of-the-sexes which does so much to hurt everybody

    Replace such code words with counterparts suggesting love, harmony, compatibility,gender specificity–men being men and women (G-d bless ‘em) being women–happiness, etc.

    WAR IS PEACE! FREEDOM IS SLAVERY! IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!

  54. DKM, DKM, DKM, sliming your way in again, eh? And always on an old thread. Aren’t you realizing those tactics do not fucking work?

    Dysfunctionality in love and male/female relationships? Cure the DISEASE, not merely the symptoms. Repudiate feminism and gender egalitarianism now. Harmony, love, and compatibility, NOT “equality” should be the goals for us to strive for!

    And in your universe, when the man thinks that the woman is not achieving those goals, it’s fine to beat them and kill them.

    But ONLY because they won’t live up to the fine egalitarian ideals of asshats like YOU who is clearly the exemplar for ALL MEN: here, as always, is the post that got you banned the last time (although I admit to having been fairly busy the last month so I may have missed a new banning).

    You guys really don’t get it, do you: YOUR WORDS ARE THERE TO READ. You can deny all you want, but you typed ‘em.

    You consistently say that if cats or women or other pets (and yes, that’s how you line ‘em up), they should be punished, and put down, if all else fails. The men who kill women are driven to it. By.the.women.

    Your words. Live with them:

    http://manboobz.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-8/#comment-123827
    Ithiliana–February 12, 2012 @2:31pm

    “graduate student “murdered” by ex-husband”

    Take post cited above. Could woman who talks like that (over the ‘net) have such an unpleasant, unfeminine, and just plain horrid personality that she could say something that MAY provoke an unpleasant response from a nearby man who may already be troubled about something else. Look at all of the cases you read about where a murder or vicious assault or rape was committed by a man whose entire life was coming apart, and the very person—his wife–whom he was relying upon to keep what was left of his sanity was turning on him…

    Did graduate student take her “how to handle men” or something like that from YOU?

    I was explaining that a man who loved his nearest and dearest would do anything to avoid the spousal abuse so often cited on feminuttery websites and blogs like this, because it wouldn’t get him what he wanted! I would rather be kind, gentle, and loving to a woman than beat,rape, or kill her, and so would most men, for obvious reasons!

    Gee, Ithiliana, for an intelligent woman, you sure have a lot of trouble understanding ordinary common sense, don’t you?

  55. Off topic comment: as I was looking through this post at work and enjoying the kitty pictures, I was suddenly address by a colleague asking if by any chance I was looking for a cat.
    I should probably be better at reading the kitty-warnings in the titles!

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