A Voice for Men: Say no to homophobia! And then watch this hilarious video bashing lesbians!
Well, this is … interesting. So JohnTheOther has plopped out another rambling diatribe about evil feminists. This time he accuses them not only of “attacking male sexuality” but also (if I’m reading him correctly) of being a bunch of evil homophobes jealous that some men don’t want to have sex with women. You read this and tell me what you think he’s implying here:
Male sexuality is of course both demonized and treated as a form of predation, but also strictly limited to a narrow set of acceptable expressions. Outside of sexual identities which place men in positions to benefit women as sexual gate-keepers, masculine sexuality is generally condemned.
JTO would love to compare these alleged gay-man-hating feminists to the proudly gay-male-affirming Men’s Rights Movement. There’s just one problem: As even JTO has to force himself to admit, there are more than a few homophobic dudes lurking around in the Men’s Rights movement. As JTO acknowledges:
[T]here is a thread of opinion with a growing currency among some MRAs which rejects the legitimacy of men whose self identity and sexuality is gay or bisexual, or I suppose, transsexual.
JTO doesn’t like this, and says so:
[There] are men (and women) whose sexuality, either chosen or not, doesn’t conform to an acceptable standard – and some within the MRM would demonize them. Gentlemen and ladies – this is nothing short of stupid.
At what point does who an individual finds sexually attractive diminish their value as a human? How is it that a man whose preference doesn’t include vagina becomes less of a man? Conversely, are we going to pretend the sexual preferences of our female colleagues matter in the context of partnership in the fight for the human rights of men and boys?
So: JohnTheOther has explicitly decided to speak up in favor of “the gay agenda.” (Yes, that’s the phrase he used.) And he’s even included lesbians in the deal – something allegedly pro-gay MRAs often have trouble doing – even though he sort of suggests at the end that he’s only willing to accept lesbians who are also MRAs.
But, hey, baby steps, right?
Well, John, if you really want to toss the homophobes out of the Men’s Rights movement, you’re going to have to start with A Voice for Men itself.
If you go to read JTO’s whole post over on AVFM, you’ll see a couple of “featured videos” in the sidebar from longtime AVFM friend and contributor Bernard Chapin. One of them bears the intriguing title “Feminist Professor Gloats Over Lesbian Chic.” The description, presumably written by AVFM head honcho Paul Elam, reads:
Bernard’s on a roll here with this one. And you will be rolling to [sic] as he delivers another thorough fisking, Inferno style.
Watch the video, here or there, or as much of it as you can stand. As you’ll see, it’s basically eight minutes of gratingly “humorous” lesbian bashing from good old Bern – whose preferred term for “lesbian,” incidentally, is “lesbobo.” (Evidently adding an extra “bo” to the old slur “lesbo” is hilarious.)
Chapin has produced more than 1200 videos; this is one of the two that AVFM has chosen to feature.
You want to stand up to homophobia, John? Take down that video. Apologize for hosting it. Apologize for featuring it. Demand that Chapin apologize for it — or kick him to the curb.
Meanwhile, AVFM is helping the guy behind the website Artistry Against Misandry publicize and raise money for an upcoming event; Elam himself says he’s already sent along a hundred dollars. Here are some examples of the sort of “artistry” that’s featured on the site:
This second graphic is not only homophobic but confused: Chaz Bono is a trans man, not a lesbian.
Speaking of transphobia, AAM also hosts several videos by “Creativebrother,” one of which is this not-hot transphobic mess:
John, I suggest you ask your boss at AVFM to get his money back from Artistry Against Misandry. Because, here’s the thing: if you actively support hate like this, people might just get the impression you’re a hate site.
EDITED TO ADD: In the comments, Elam proudly announces his own support of the “gay agenda” as well. Well, with 0.1% of it.
I don’t like most gay activists very much, and I oppose 99.9% of what passes as gay activism, but I don’t think it is very smart to forget that part of the reason they were led astray is because most “normal” men never gave them the dignity of being regarded as a man.
Forget gay marriage, forget bullying, forget AIDS: apparently the only real issue for gay men is evil feminist ladies calling them “fags” for not wanting to have sex with them.
Elam also has a most interesting explanation of homophobia, at least against gay men:
Gay men are bashed, when all is said and done, because they are not of utilitarian value to women, and because they are perceived as not having enough strength to be of utilitarian value to the elites.
Yeah, that’s probably it.
What about homophobia against lesbians? That’s easy: “lesbobos” are just naturally ugly and hilarious.
Posted on May 28, 2012, in a voice for men, antifeminism, artistry, homophobia, hypocrisy, johntheother, MGTOW, misandry, misogyny, MRA, paul elam, that's not funny!, transphobia, vaginas. Bookmark the permalink. 366 Comments.
@cliff
that’s his escape hatch. he’s not saying you’re not allowed to be gay, youre just not allowed to complain when he threatens to beat you senseless for it.
I added that lovely quote from Elam to the post.
As well as this, er, innovative explanation for homophobia against gay men:
He doesn’t need an explanation for homophobia against “lesbobos,” apparently they’re just naturally hateable and hiliarious.
link for that last quote: http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/attacking-male-sexuality/#comment-98558
“If you find any of these act’s repulsive it is hate speech. To each his/her own isn’t enough, you must profess your love of the act.
I do hope I’ve made my point.”
Not nearly as well as Noadi did. (With follow up note about bestiality being illegal)
That’s the difference you’re missing here, you’re repulsed by other people engaging in legal, consensual acts. Wtf do you care what other people get off on as long as it’s legal? I’m not one for golden showers, if you are, more power to you, just don’t expect me to join you. (That a general you NWO, not you personally, though, if golden showers are your thing, I don’t care either way, you have fun too I guess)
“A hate speech law infringes on my right to freedom, I now have less rights.”
Citation on this hate speech law, because the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act specifically only applies in cases where there’s a crime motivated by “gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability” — in other words, if you beat me up because you got confused as to what gender I am, it’s extra illegal, but that shit ass video above (Girls Guys Girls) is legal (terrible, but legal).
We may think you’re being an asshole, or even that you fundamentally are an asshole, but we do not have the power to enforce any punishment on you (David could ban you, that is literally the worst thing anyone here could do to you) — it’s only a violation of the first amendment if it comes from the government, not private citizens, so you can continue saying homophobic shit until you’re blue in the face, and we can continue calling you a homophobe until we’re all blue in the face and no one’s committed a crime or infringed on anyone’s rights.
It would be nice though if you’d care what other people are doing for sexytimes, as long as it’s legal.
Sharculese — I wasn’t disagreeing with you but emphasizing the point for NWO (who seems to be ignoring it, but maybe he’s caught in mod) — that comment is poorly split between what’s a reply to you, and what’s directed at NWO, my apologies for the confusion.
As usual, MRAs weak ass slur filled protestations of not being bigots totally fail to convince anyone.
“It would be nice though if you’d care what other people are doing for sexytimes, as long as it’s legal.”
whee for missing a word and inverting my meaning, I meant to say:
“It would be nice though if you’d stop caring what other people are doing for sexytimes, as long as it’s legal.” (Or maybe I was thinking “care less” and that’s wtf my brain did, idk)
Apparently NWO has become the art director for AVFM, judging by the picture for this post:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/lets-belittle-men/
Weirdly, neither of the male authors of that post is or has ever been employed as a boat-dragger.
“Gay men are bashed, when all is said and done, because they are not of utilitarian value to women, and because they are perceived as not having enough strength to be of utilitarian value to the elites.”
Yeah, cuz it’s women who like to beat up and kill gays.
@Noadi
“No, any woman who doesn’t like these things has a preference. Any woman who thinks no one should do these things and people who do shouldn’t have the same rights as everyone else because of it, is a hater.”
Exactly. Do you find any of those acts repulsive? Gay’s and lesbians can knock themselves out. I am a homophobe for finding their actions repulsive.
I am being told that unless I find act X not repulsive I am a homophobe. My personal preference of finding a certain act repulsive, as can be seen by all the responses, is given a word meant to shame me. It’s not a word meant to praise me. Me, stating that I find an act repulsive is considered hate speech.
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@David Futrelle
“NWO, if someone finds the thought of interracial sex “repulsive,” I would have no trouble describing that person as racist. (Of course, there are people who love interracial sex who are also racist, but that’s a whole other issue.)”
I too would find that racist. Gay sex is what it is. There is no, it’s kinda the same, there’s no analogies, there’s no comparisons. So stop with the analogies because there are none.
I find the though of a guy sticking his dick up another guys ass repulsive. I unfortunately recently heard the term shrimping, which is apparently trying to lick one’s own sperm out of another guys ass. Oddly enough I found that quite repulsive as well. I find the thought of two guys making out repulsive. I find the thought of two guys doing anything romantic, repulsive. I love my dad. I love my brothers, but I don’t want to fuck them or do anything remotely romantic with them. I find it repulsive.
By finding those acts repulsive, have I infringed on their rights? If I say I find it repulsive, have I infringed on their rights? So what right is this you speak of that I’ve infringed so horribly upon that I must be shamed. Why am I a homophobe? How can my personal taste be such a threat that it’s considered hate speech? If a gay want’s to say he finds sex between a man and a woman repulsive, knock yourself out.
The only hatred, is the hatred being directed at me for having an opinion differing from the party line. Correct? Ya see, I’m saying, I find it repulsive, but knock yourselves out. Your saying, I’m not allowed to say act X is repulsive, I’m a hater, a bigot, a homophobe. I’m not telling you what to think or say, but you sure are telling me.
There are plenty of homophobic women out there, and I do not doubt for a moment that some of them have been violent towards queer people (though my break is almost over so I have no time to search for links *blush blush*). Doesn’t mean Elam makes a lick of sense, though.
@Visceriaed
I would think that majority of gay targeted hate crimes are committed by men. But I don’t have links either ( I just pull stuff out of my ass ) so I may be wrong, though I doubt it.
Dear Owly,
Nobody gives a shit about what happens to your stomach when you think of gay sex but you. However, when you froth and rant about it in public, you pretty clearly show that you are a homophobe. If you don’t want to risk being seen as a homophobe or some other sort of bigot, don’t bring up your distaste for consensual acts between adults unless it’s part of a conversation in which your opinion is being solicited. By the way, there are no laws against saying you don’t like gay sex in the United States: if there were, you would be in prison. So what the fuck are you even going on about?
@ Visceria
Sorry I fucked up your name. iPhones suck.
And I’m not saying women aren’t capable of violence and hate, I just think it’s ridiculous to blame institutionalized homophobia on women alone. But then MRAs blame women for everything.
By the way, I have noticed gas prices getting a little bit high. When are All Men going to go to war to fix this? Pear-shaped, crying, bon-bon eating soccer moms have been crying in the streets.
I’m also curious as to why I have been skipped over for this draft thing that’s apparently still a challenge for males, according to r/mensrights. I haven’t heard anything.
@Sharculese
“that’s his escape hatch. he’s not saying you’re not allowed to be gay, youre just not allowed to complain when he threatens to beat you senseless for it.”
Have I threatened to beat a gay senseless? I’ve made zero threats. Yet here you are saying that’s what I do.
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@Argenti Aertheri
“That’s the difference you’re missing here, you’re repulsed by other people engaging in legal, consensual acts.”
Do you find the act of putting your mouth on someone’s ass as they take a shit repulsive? I do. Knock youself out if you want to, Argenti Aertheri. Am I a somethingphobe for stating I find that act repulsive?
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“It would be nice though if you’d stop caring what other people are doing for sexytimes, as long as it’s legal.”
I couldn’t care less what anyone does during sexytime. Right up to the point where I’m told I must love your choice. If I find your choice repulsive, I’m a homophobe? A bigot? I engage in hatespeech? I’m not allowed to find your choice repulsive or I’m all these bad things?
Tell me whose the intolerant hater? Whose the bigot?
Re the latest AVfM link, more misuse of the CDC data (can I somehow make a career out of correcting the MRMs use of just this one study? they get it wrong so often)
“4.8% of American men claim they have been forced to penetrate someone else. That’s more than three times the number who have actually been raped according to the FBI’s “penetration” definition of rape.”
Yep, they got one right, sadly, it’s one for three.
“The 1 in 5 number for female victims in the CDC report also uses a definition of rape which conflates sexual harassment with sexual assault and rape, revealing a strong ideological bias.”
No it doesn’t — Completed forced penetration = 12.3%; Attempted forced penetration = 5.2%; Completed alcohol/drug facilitated penetration = 8%; Rape = 18.3% =/= date rape even, certainly not sexual harassment >.<
"While the CDC survey counts 1.3 million rapes of women in 2010, the total number of rapes and sexual assaults (of males and females combined) in the Justice Department survey was 188,380”. These two numbers are an entire order of magnitude apart."
Why I am not surprised the MRM can't figure out why the non-police reported rate would be higher than the official gov'n rate? Oh right, because they think victims should have to show the bloody bed sheets and the bruises (proof of virginity and proof of violence). There's the difference of substance between the two, and also probably one of definition, I would suspect the JD data is looking at illegal rape, not anything one would call being raped, eg what about the states where drug facilitated rape isn't explicitly illegal? And I highly doubt JD data included attempted rape.
So two wrong points, and the correct point that made to penetrate should be counted as rape. Well okay, take that up with the FBI not feminists though? Or whatever authority figures you have sway with. (ozymandias can I offer you virtual cookies for doing that?)
I think that one graphic is saying that Chaz Bono is uglier now because he looks like a man.
This is the kind of concept that the phrase “fractally wrong” was invented for.
@cliff
it’s hard to say because the shot is at an angle, but he does look fairly symmetrical
@Tulgey Logger
“Nobody gives a shit about what happens to your stomach when you think of gay sex but you. However, when you froth and rant about it in public, you pretty clearly show that you are a homophobe.”
There’s that word again. Homophobe. A word meant to shame me for my personal preference. Everyone of you states your personal preference. You don’t find that act repulsive. Are you shamed for your personal preference, for saying it? Why am I shamed for my preference.
How about you? Do you find the act of sucking down someones morning shit repulsive? It’s legal, right? Consenting adults and all that? Would you expect to be shamed for stating you personally find it repulsive? I expect the same common courtesy.
@Argenti Aertheri
By the way. On the previous thread I gave the official site of berkeley crime stats. I also gave the population site, official of course. Please convert the numbers into a 1 in 4 stat for me.
Dammit, why isn’t Chaz Bono working harder to be attractive to straight men? You’d think it’d be at the top of his to-do list.
I know that as a gay trans man, I am DEEPLY invested in being attractive to straight men. They are totally the demographic I want to sleep with. Uh huh.
Seriously, we played this game with Antz before. Remember? He tried to tell me how open the men’s movement was. Uh huh. I totally believe you all.
I can’t even call this lip service. It’s just laughable.
Also, I admit that I’m sorta tempted to put up our old pre-everything glamour shots, and then a pic of us now, because I KNOW it would get the same, “Cute—EWWWWW” response. Hell, one of the reasons I’ve been given that I shouldn’t medically transition is because I won’t be pretty anymore
What a shock, people! IT’S NOT ABOUT YOU.
@Argenti Aertheri
Oh and the lazy number that I came up with at berkeley considering there are 18,000 women there at any given year with an average of 12 reported sexual assaults. Which we’ll assume are all women complaints. All rapes. No false accusations. Is 1 in 750. I got that number assuming a 4 year degree. Since 1/4 of the population of women recycle every year, that’d give a population of 36,000 women going thru berkeley every 4 years with 48 reported incidents every 4 years.
36,000/48=750. So that’d be 1 in 750. The official stance of feminists is 1 in 4. I therefore divide 750 by 4 to get the exaggeration error. 750/4=187.5. As far as I can tell the number is exaggerated 187 X, or 18,750% higher than reality.
Like I said it’s a lazy number but I doubt if it’s far off, considering I gave concessions of it being a 100% female complaint, there were no false accusation, and it was rapes and not simply a stolen kiss or groping.
I find it’s best to do the math yourself rather than rely on the, “official,” numbers. Don’t you?
…why is Chaz Bono wearing green blue plaid shorts with a blue shirt? I don’t think that look would work on anyone… (I know that’s not the MRM issue, but just sayin’)
The poster? art?! is fractally wrong, yeah, but that look isn’t going to make anyone attractive.
LBT — did AntZ have horribly transphobic lines too? I remember NWO having a real piece of shit about “twig and berries” but I think I missed AntZ’s transphobia. (I believe you that he did, I guess I’m just curious if you happen to have a citation for that shit or not, if not, whatever)
The MRM should love the Twilight series. Edward is a stalker and one of the werewolves literally rips up his girlfriend’s face. Both men are portrayed as “good” by the series, and both women stay with them despite their abusive behavior. Also, Bella is vapid, devoid of personality, and willing to die for her husband and child, which pretty much describes the perfect woman as far as the MRM is concerned. The entire series is thinly veiled patriarchal propaganda.
@blitzgal
was it even thinly veiled? didn’t meyer pretty much come out and say that the whole thing was a love letter to the patriarchy?
@argenti
one time lbt challenged antz’s statement that the mrm was an inclusive movement by asking what they had to offer to gay and trans men, and antz took him literally and spent pages trying to recruit him in the most condescending manner possible
@Sharculese My memory is that Antz kept trying to recruit LBT until he realized that LBT was a trans man, and then Antz said that the MRM had nothing to offer him. Or words to that effect. My memory is for shit though, so I might be totally wrong.
AVfM hamsters of the day:
http://qkme.me/3phgya
http://qkme.me/3phgzu
http://qkme.me/3phh1a
I think Meyer likes to pretend it’s an old fashioned romance, like Wuthering Heights — a book cited in the series and by her in interviews. Of course, the fact that she thinks Wuthering Heights is a “romance” only points to her problematic ideas about the topic in general. Oh yeah, when you don’t get the woman you want, you destroy her ENTIRE FAMILY. Romantic!
NWO, no one’s trying to take away your right to be a disgusting homophobe! We’re merely letting you know we’re personally repulsed by it! Don’t I have the right to find you repulsive?
Really, NWO’s homophobia would have more impact if he wasn’t also repulsed by:
-Women who are sexually appealing
-Women who aren’t sexually appealing
-Heterosexual anal and oral sex
-Heterosexual sex that a woman has too much of
-Heterosexual sex followed by having a baby
-Heterosexual sex followed by not having a baby
Not that I really want to know what kind of sex NWO feels comfortable with, I’m just saying, we haven’t found it yet.
Cliff, I’m thinking the kind of sex NWO is comfortable with is called rape here in realityland.
Honestly, I think NWO would also be disgusted by the physical reality of rape (not the violence, the touching another person), he just supports it politically.
Either Meyer is lying when she cites Wuthering Heights and has never read it or she read the cliff notes in highschool and completely mis-remembers the book. That is the only explanation for her thinking it’s a romance.
@Argenti Aertheri
“LBT — did AntZ have horribly transphobic lines too? I remember NWO having a real piece of shit about “twig and berries” but I think I missed AntZ’s transphobia.”
Another phobia? Another shaming tactic? Pumping onself full of hormones and adding or subtracting in a useless attempt at reorganizing one’s genitals seems almost surreal. Why it almost seems backwards to a rational person. I have a phobia, yet the person vainly attempting to reorganize their junk with surgery and artificial injections is running on all eight cylinders?
Noadi, the worst thing of it all — Meyer has an English degree from BYU. But she writes like a teenager and has a teenager’s attitudes about literature. I thought Wuthering Heights was romantic, too — when I was fourteen. Then I grew up.
@Cliff: Have we ever heard NWO’s statement about dolls?
@Noadi: I am a literature teacher. Many of my students think WUTHERING HEIGHTS is a romance. One student last year wanted to write her project on it being the most greatest best ROMANCE novel of all time. (I let her write on the book–I’m big on choice–but it was not too successful–literary analysis as teach it s really not about what is THE best book). think there’s a widespread cultural perception that WH is about “romance” and that is why it, and JANE GREY, are the two best selling/known/canonized books by the Brontes instead of their more feminist ones.
A good teacher will not teach it that way–but I can attest after 20 years of teaching that students have ideas about books they love that I am not going to shift (and maybe shouldn’t aspire to change).
Did you see the edition of WH that came out with a TWILIGHT cover?
I comfort myself that more people read WH than would have otherwise, and maybe some will go on to the other books.
RE: Argenti
Oh hell, no, I can’t remember where it was. Things move so fast here in boobland… someone here has stats, I’m sure, but I can’t even remember the article it first came up…
The milkslave’s definitely anti-vagina too. I think he’s only pro-jacking off angrily while thinking about how much he hates women.
Although now that I think about it, it’s possible to argue that today people don’t distinguish between GOTHIC romance and contemporary romance, and there are some GOTHIC conventions that, depending on how they are handled, can be extremely misogynistic……never been that much of a Gothic romance fan myself.
I’m particularly venemous about the Twilight series precisely because it pushes a toxic and abusive view of love and romance to the very audience who it will damage the most — young teens. They already have an unrealistic view of the world, but yeah, let’s tell them that when a guy sneaks to your house at night to watch you sleep or disables your car so you can’t get away from him that it means he really, really loves you. That plus all the religious propaganda makes me want to puke.
@Cliff Pervocracy
“NWO, no one’s trying to take away your right to be a disgusting homophobe!”
There’s that word again. A shaming tactic. Not towing the party line is hate speech? Luckily you progressives are always so tolerant of diversity. Well, as long as the diversity falls within the party’s doctrine. Do you ever think for yourself?
How about you, Holly? Do you find nuzzling up to someones ass in the morning to suck down a mouthful of nightsoil repulsive? I don’t wanna hear, “what ever floats your boat.” I wanna know what you personally feel about it.
cloudiah — I think your memory is correct, now that you mention it I remember someone trying to recruit someone and going basically “oh, we have nothing to offer you then” when the potential recruitee “revealed” his trans* ness — that was when I was lurking though and thus didn’t place that it was AntZ failing to recruit LBT.
Ithiliana — “Have we ever heard NWO’s statement about dolls?” — I, for one, am pretty sure I don’t want to know.
LBT — it’s fine, I vaguely remember that conversation now, and was definitely flipping your recruiter off before I knew who either of you were — the “oh, we have nothing to offer you then” part was somewhere between appalling and hilarious.
Shit play is a hard limit for me (something I’d never do), but I don’t think I’d ever be able to lavish a milliliter of the anger and protest against it that NWOslave does for gay people. I just… don’t think about it at all, and get on with my life? You know neither loving nor hating something is an option, right, NWO?
I had to skim rapidly over most of NWO’s post in this thread–not that any of it was new to me, but he manages to invest his warped prescriptiveness of what “gay sex” is (as usual, he totally avoids lesbians) with a stomach-wrenching, nausea-inducing, horrific distaste AND complete stone ignorance along with some specifics which in fact are NOT limited go same-sex activities (but which I am not going to list of ‘prove’)…….
The level of vitriolic intensity and hatred is horrifying.
In order to take the taste out of my mouth, I looked up and rewatched the Molly Ivins segment in THE DILDO DIARIES, and thought I’d share:
blitzgal: Ugh, I was trying to explain to SisterB why I find the Twilight thing so problematic (“He’s sneaking into her room. At night. Without telling her. And staring at her. THIS IS NOT OKAY!”) and her response was pretty much ‘it’s okay because he LURVES her!’ head.desk head.desk
MollyRen – For serious. I just go about my life not eating poo, politely declining anyone who asks me to eat poo, and that pretty much works out okay for me. I don’t get angry about the idea that someone, somewhere, might be eating poo.
The scary thing is… is Twilight pushing the agenda, or is it just taking advantage of what we culturally already think a “real” romance is?
You know, there is stuff that other people get off on that I don’t. Some stuff others get off on that squicks me out royally. And that’s fine! As long as everyone involved in consenting, why the fuck should I (or anyone else) care what other people do amongst themselves? Why do some people (NWO) seem to think it’s something that they should get to control?
NWO —
“I too would find that racist. Gay sex is what it is. There is no, it’s kinda the same, there’s no analogies, there’s no comparisons. So stop with the analogies because there are none.”
Analogy time! Two people, in the privacy of the bedroom, make out, making out leads to oral sex — wtf is the difference in either act depending on the genders of the partners? A blow job is a blow job is a blow job — you don’t want to give blow jobs, that’s fine, you don’t get to be repulsed by the mere idea of a man doing so unless he’s doing so in your line of sight (in which case I advice you note that that’s public indecency so get a room)
“Do you find the act of putting your mouth on someone’s ass as they take a shit repulsive? I do. Knock youself out if you want to, Argenti Aertheri. Am I a somethingphobe for stating I find that act repulsive?”
Yeah I’d rather not risk E. Coli personally, but if you’re cool with that risk, have fun. And/or what MollyRen said.
“By the way. On the previous thread…” — as soon as I find that, I’ll reply to it there, you could link me again to speed that up.
I’m new to the whole meme thing (I know I’m so not with it) so thought I’d try one.
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3phhr1/
This quote from NWOslave also takes the cake. I should HOPE you don’t want to fuck your brothers and dad, NWO, because THEY’RE RELATED TO YOU.
Oh, wait. I forgot that NWOslave thinks all gay sex = incest sex.
Dear Owly,
I realize that reading for comprehension is not exactly your thing, but the point of my comment was not that having distaste for homosexual sex makes you homophobic: it is that ranting and raving about it in public indicates that you are. Bringing up your distaste for homosexual sex is not at all appropriate in a discussion relevant to gay rights. It’s being an asshole, and being an asshole to homosexuals about homosexuality. This is what indicates that you are a homophobe.
Asshole.
@hellkell
“Cliff, I’m thinking the kind of sex NWO is comfortable with is called rape here in realityland.”
And now I’m a rapist as well. On this thread alone I’ve been accused of,
being comfortable as a rapist,
hating the sinner and the non-sinner just for good measure,
hate the sinner, BEAT THEM IN THE STREETS,
I have a special hatred for gay people,
I have a comically obtuse brand of hatred,
I’m disgusted by all sex,
I have violent, delusional anger,
I’m an angry whiner who blames external forces for my life because I’m too much of a coward to take responsibility for my decisions,
A bigot of course,
a disgusting homophobe,
I’m repulsed by these things as well
-Women who are sexually appealing
-Women who aren’t sexually appealing
-Heterosexual anal and oral sex
-Heterosexual sex that a woman has too much of
-Heterosexual sex followed by having a baby
-Heterosexual sex followed by not having a baby
I’m anti-vagina,
I pro-jacking off angrily while thinking about how much I hates women,
I have level of vitriolic intensity and hatred that is horrifying.
Why is it I’m moderated again, Dave? Something about me being personally mean to one of the favored one’s? How dare I?
@Cliff: I’d say the second (i.e. embodying some very specific cultural beliefs)! (Although a colleague told me he’d cheer his daughter on for reading it no matter how bad because abstinence–she was 13).
And people keep talking about teen readers–that book (like the current 50 Shades of Grey) attracted a huge out of adolescence demographic of women readers–there was a discussion in one fandom community I follow about how many tropes from TWILIGHT could be found in fanfiction, and it seemed dead one (not specifics–i.e.sparkly vampires–but the stalker as ideal lover).
And at the time (I’ve ony read the first one, and only because I assigned it in a vampire creative writing class as one of a range of examples of vampire fiction–we also read LeFanu, Coleridge, Pratchett, Butler, and some others) I thought that a lot of the tropes were very similar to the “bodice ripper” romance novels (I don’t know if that’s still a popular sub-genre) that I remember reading before giving up in disgust decades ago–but it was packaged and sold to a teen audience.
So….I’m conflicted.
I also still believe firmly that a huge mount of the critical and cultural scorn poured on it involved a component of thinking that anything teenage girls like must be shit and bad and awful.
NWO —
“By the way. On the previous thread…” — as soon as I find that, I’ll reply to it there, you could link me again to speed that up.
I can’t find it, unless it’s in mod still, I’m going to need a link to the comment in question.
@Argenti Aertheri
Last post before I go. I’m interested in what number you come up with for sexual assault stats for the official links I gave. Above you see mine. What number do you come up with?
Also wow. Isn’t that the first time NWOslave has ever mentioned having any family? Or loving anyone?
wait, didn’t owlslave once claim a link between homosexuality and being a serial killer?
@Sharculese: Yup.
@Argenti Aertheri
Damn it, now ya made me post one more time. It’s the previous thread last post on the next to the last page. I didn’t stick the flounce.
According to the Book O’ Learnin’, Owly thinks that public schools teach homosexuality, and that homosexuality wouldn’t exist without the government.
What do you think, Owly? Is homosexuality a social ill? Does the government contribute to homosexuality? If so, how?
In addition to serial killers, I believe NWO’s said gay people are also all child molesters, and all prison rapists.
Why can’t we respeeeect his personal opinion?
Now that I’m thinking back, I think that’s the *real* reason NWOslave is homophobic. Apparently, being gay friendly isn’t supporting gay people in having an equal right to make out, it’s ACTUALLY supporting incest and serial murder!
This is fun!
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3phhr1/
Cliff — I respect his opinion that male on male (or female on female) prison rape is an act of homosexual “sex”. The rest are not really opinions (neither is that one really, but I guess we could debate whether homosexual rape is a homosexual act or just about power)
And I can think of one gay serial killer off the top of my head btw — Dahmer — versus more than a few straight ones, the first to come to mind by name and not horrible acts would be the green river killer, google tells me his name is Gary Ridgway.
Oh, and pedophilia.
So yeah, this is how Owly sees the world. We ALL know this is what being gay REALLY means, we just won’t admit it, which is why he’s so scared. Those two people making out at Micky D’s could turn wildly violent at ANY MOMENT!
Hey, Slavey, guess what? I also find anything sexual involving piss or shit gross. You know how I deal with that? By not doing sexual things that involve piss or shit. You’d be amazed how easy it is to avoid sexual stuff you don’t like! If you find gay sex acts gross, you could just…not do those things. That wouldn’t make you a homophobe. But when you devote a great deal of time to ranting and raving about how awful those things are, and claim that the people who do them are more likely to be serial killers? Then you have a problem, and the name for that specific problem is “homophobia”.
“Those two people making out at Micky D’s could turn wildly violent at ANY MOMENT!” — but only if they appear to be the same gender (“appear to be” as NWO seems to fail miserably at transphobia as well)