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Spearheader: Let’s breed those stuck-up white western women out of existence.

Run, Dick, run!

One widespread belief of the manosphere crowd is that “Western women” – that is, white women in developed countries – are a bunch of stuck-up, demanding, divorce-initiating feminism-infected harridans. So the proper course of action for the almost-all-white dudes of the manosphere is to seek a woman with darker skin and a (supposedly) more pliable nature. Even better: beleaguered white dudes should move to one of the countries where these feminism-free gals live, because when you bring them to the United States they too have a tendency to become infected with evil feminism and to become as stuck-up and evil as their lighter-skinned sisters.

This belief isn’t universal amongst manospehreians by any stretch of the imagination. White nationalist manosphreians (like those who populate the blog In Mala Fide) get testy when their women are considered inferior to non-whites; others think that all women are equally evil. Still others think that moving to a whole other country is too much of a hassle. Rarely do you find a manospherian willing to state the obvious: that the “white women suck” mantra is as offensive to non-white women as it is to white women.

Over on The Spearhead, one commenter has taken the “white women suck” mantra to its logical extreme, arguing that these evil women need to be quite literally bred out of existence.

Let’s take a look at walking in hell’s argument:

If one thinks about it, the misandry and divorce problem are problems that occur in countries where the women are light-skinned–mostly Northern Hemisphere Western Contries, and where the governments are atheist or were atheist.

Problem countries are Sweden, Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, Russia, United States, France, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, etc. In short–the West. Light skinned women are by nature more dominant and controlling. If you combine that with a culture that encourages bad behavior, you as a man are doomed.

So far, this is standard-issue western-women-suck-ism. But then Hell starts talking about genes.

So the misandry problem is problem of genetics and culture. We can see the genetic differences in the United States. Asian Women divorce their husbands at a much lower rate then the other racial groups. The exception in America is the American Black Women (But isn’t she exceptional, after all)? I mean native African Women have very little resemblance to American Black Women). 

Ironically, it’s fairly typical for the white-women-suck crowd to hate black women even more; in this case the only non-typical thing about Hell’s screed is that he’s willing to cut African women some slack.

Now Hell sets forth his basic thesis:

My point is this: I maintain the best wife for a white man is someone darker skinned then he is. I maintain that the best culture for the white man and his wife is a man-friendly culture. For example, a white man and Mexican woman living in Mexico; a white man and Thai Woman living in Thailand; a white man and a Morracan Woman, living in Morraco; a white man and Turkish Woman, living in Turkey. This strategy neutralizes the light-skinned genes, and at the same time neutralizes the cultural influences.

Note: If you plan to move to Morocco to escape the tyranny of white women, you should probably learn to spell the name of the country correctly first.

Naturally, Hell can’t bring himself to suggest that white men should marry black women. And he thinks that even black men should give African-American women a pass:

For a black man, possibly the best plan is to emigrate to Africa in order to have a family. I had a friend who did this. Most African divorce laws keep the man firmly in charge with sole custody automatically going to the man.

While some Western-women-hating manospherians have something of a fetish for Eastern European women, Hell warns his fellow men to avoid these sneaky deceitful harridans as well:

Whatever you do, never bring an Eastern European, Russian, or Ukrainian Girl to the Unites States.

But it isn’t only the Eastern European women who are spoiled by the evil feminism of the west.

 In fact don’t bring any woman to the United States. Remember: even the healthiest fish becomes sick when the lake is poisoned. Some fish will become sicker than others depending on their genetic makeup. For example, that nice girl you brought over from Asia might not divorce you when she comes to the USA, but she is likely to become a much different (difficult and unpredictable) person.

So who is the best man for the white woman living in the West? Quite simply, no man; or another woman. Very few men in the West will be able to satify Western White Women.

And this, naturally, leads to what what we might call Hell’s Final Solution to the problem:

These women need to be bred out of existence.

We as men can speed the extinction of Western White Women by encouraging them to pursue the single life or to pursue another woman as a spouse (lesbianism). We can do this actively and passively. Actively by outright encouragement, and passively by never giving a Western Woman access to our sperm, money, or time.

Despite its, er, problematic content, Hell’s comment managed to draw 21 upvotes from fellow Spearheaders, more than twice the number of downvotes it received.

I eagerly await A Voice for Men’s campaign to uncover and expose the identities of Hell and his upvoters – as well as against The Spearhead itself for providing a safe harbor for such thinking. I mean, AVfM literally offered a $1000 award for the personal information of a feminist who made similarly troubling remarks about men, and a separate $1000 reward for the identities of those involved in a theatrical production about a  feminist who wrote a famous manifesto about the evils of men. Surely the A Voice for Men crowd will be equally offended by these remarks from their comrades on The Spearhead.

Here on Man Boobz we content ourselves with highlighting bad ideas, not harassing or threatening or exposing the personal information of those who promulgate them. The “war of ideas” isn’t an actual war. The bad ideas we highlight here are as silly as they are reprehensible; they will ultimately vanish from the world on their own — though hopefully our mockery of them will help to speed that process a little bit.

EDITED TO ADD: Thanks to scarlettpipistrelle for pointing me to this lovely comment.

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Posted on May 15, 2012, in a voice for men, antifeminism, asian fetishist, evil women, homophobia, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed white men, racism, reactionary bullshit, the spearhead, western women suck. Bookmark the permalink. 394 Comments.

  1. I mean if you view of social justice is I want to fight for the rights of all men but only ones that I like then you have a pretty immature idea of what social justice is all about. Its not about if you like someone or even if you disagree with them its about fighting for their rights regardless because its the right thing to do. Like I don’t care for Sara Palin, or anti choice women but I still want them all to gain the same rights in the end.

  2. Not even going to mention your own misandry of judging men by how “masculine” they are. XD

  3. Jumbo: Do not worry, I do not advocate for pussified male feminists

    Which makes your choice of words “I consider myself an advocate for men though.” a lot more honest than I first credited

  4. Mike, you are using the Leykis show as proof, which is all the proof I need that you’re an idiot. However, you have generously supplied even more proof in your comments, so … thanks?

  5. Mikey: Cloud: I am not using Leykis as proof, I am using his female callers as proof. People are saying these women do not exist, yet they are calling in.

    Pilpulistic hairsplitting, and wrong. No one said no such women existed. We said they weren’t significant (we also said we didn’t believe your version of events)

    1: You are citing Leykis.

    2: You have no proof those are real people, not paid actors?

    3: Even if they are real people, Leykis has people screening the calls, so the actual statistical value of those people is questionable.

  6. Wow, it’s been a while since someone dredged up Leykis. I thought he was pretty irrelevant nowadays.

  7. “I do not need to ask what non Western men think of us, I already know, they think badly of us, and I can’t blame them.”

    Why do I have the sneaking feeling that this comment is all about how out of hand white women are? As opposed to say, problems that white men themselves are creating?

  8. There’s one ridiculous person willing to espouse anything. That doesn’t mean that billions of people believe the same thing.

    As an illustration: I, an American, am a democratic socialist atheist who is libertarian on social issues. Therefore all Americans are democratic socialist atheists who are libertarian on social issues.

  9. Ozy: This is not true. I am a democratic socialistic non-atheist who is very libertatarian on social issues; therefore you do not exist.
    XD

  10. Argenti Aertheri

    Pedantry time (I have a thing for statistics, what can I say?)

    – They are fake looking, — subjective, fake looking does not equal fake parts
    with their fake blonde hair, — real blonde do exist
    fake eye lashes, — are generally for costume only
    fake nails — much like the two above, no way there’s statistics on this
    and fake boobs. — that one will have statistics!

    “Based upon the data collected, 8.08 per 1,000 women in the United States reported ever having had some type of breast implant. Approximately 60% of the procedures had been done for cosmetic reasons.” (Source) — so 40% of implants are not cosmetic, eg reconstructive surgery after a mastectomy. And even including those, less than 1% of women in the US have them. So wait, how many are fake looking?

    – They barely wear anything despite the weather being so cold in the UK. — I grew up in New England and will happily report that that is a crock of shit, though I’m never been to the UK, so I can’t comment

    – They are loud, aggressive, and often violent. — compared to whom? your imaginary friends? statistics, we need them if you have them (which you don’t)

    – They are fat and ugly. — we’ll there’s some objective criteria! ugly is entirely subjective, and if you’re about to call BMI an objective measure of fat, I’ll be happy to disprove that one (body builders are often obese by that criteria)

  11. Argenti Aertheri

    “Therefore all Americans are democratic socialist atheists who are libertarian on social issues.”

    I’d be happier if that were remotely true, we can debate which things to what degrees once we at least get socialized medicine?

  12. Lady Zombie, not sure why the spam filter (which I don’t check as often as the moderation filter) grabbed that comment of yours, but it’s up now, on the previous page.

  13. Pecunium, I am not citing Leykis, I am citing his callers. I can not prove his callers are not actors, but you can not prove a negative, and the burden of proof is on you if you are making the claim. Yes, he has a screener, but people are claiming these types of women do not exist, but here they are, and whether or not people believe me, I know foreign women who share my observations.

    Now, for the record, I do not think 100% of white women are worthless, but trying to find a good one is not worth the effort when I can just go in to my local city and find loads of attractive immigrants. I do not have these opinions because of MRAs and such, because I think they are as worthless as you feminists, it hit me when I first travelled to Spain back in ’08. All I had ever known were white women, yet when I was in Spain, I found the quality to be far higher.. I swore I would never date the majority of Western women again..

    Like I have already hinted, my opinion of Western men isn’t much higher, if at all. You get the people you deserve, and Western men deserve the the fat, ugly and often violent Western women, especially the pussified “male” feminists, who quite frankly, probably sit down to pee on demand.

  14. I do not think 100% of white women are worthless

    It’s soooo nice of you!

    probably sit down to pee

    The MISANDRY!!!1!!!eleven!!

  15. But I thought you were an advocate for men, Mike. Are you now saying you don’t like the majority of Western men either? Well, who do you advocate for? You’re increasingly looking like an advocate for Mike, rather than an advocate for men.

    As jumbofish said above, you can’t really call yourself a social justice advocate if you’re only willing to advocate for the type of people you like and to hell with all the others.

  16. Ah yes…the Real Man(tm) chest thumping. We’re all very impressed, well, not really.

    You just keep thumping that chest mike! I’m sure your Real Woman in Spain will hear it any second and be driven to swim the ocean to reach you!!

  17. And again with this strange divergence between being White and being Caucasian…

    Oh wait! Its because they don’t speak English right? Harder for that Real Woman to backtalk you then!

  18. Oh, and Mike? If I went around saying making offensive sweeping generalisations about a group of people and then turned around and said “But I don’t thnk 100% of them are worthless! It’s OK, guys!” I’d still be a horrendous bigot. Just a wee fyi…

  19. Mike: You are citing Leyks. You are using his program as an example of the people whom you claim speak to you, regularly, of how awful “white women” are. We are supposed to accept, as a result, the claims you made elsewhere.

    That’s a citaton.

    No, I am not claiming (go back and reread my statment) that all of his callers are fake. I’m not even really saying any are. I am saying the nature of his show (i.e. a means of entertaining a specific audience, so that he can make a living), and the means which you admit he uses to do that, make it a suspect citation.

    All I had ever known were white women, yet when I was in Spain, I found the quality to be far higher.. I swore I would never date the majority of Western women again..

    Spanish women aren’t, “white”? They aren’t Western?

    I begin to think you don’t mean “Western White Women”, but rather, “Women in the Angloshpere”.

    As to your claim of not being an MRA, the jury is out, but you are certainly a misogynist, Now, for the record, I do not think 100% of white women are worthless, but trying to find a good one is not worth the effort when I can just go in to my local city and find loads of attractive immigrants. I do not have these opinions because of MRAs and such, because I think they are as worthless as you feminists,

    In what way worthless? What is it about, “feminists”, which makes them as bad as MRAs, and “White Women?”

    Like I have already hinted, my opinion of Western men isn’t much higher, if at all.

    Where you from Boyo? You seem to be a bit of either a Self-loather (since the internal evidence says you are a Western man), or a special snowflake. I’d wager it’s some of both.

    What makes men, “pussified”? That they treat women as people? That’s usually the reason. And some men have the audacity to expect that you do the same. The horror. And White Western Women actually expect you to do it too. The rank injustice.

  20. All I had ever known were white women, yet when I was in Spain, I found the quality to be far higher.. I swore I would never date the majority of Western women again..

    o.O If that resolution is taking you out to Spain you might want to brush up on your geography first

  21. And as for not being an MRA, the dreaded double ellipsis says otherwise

  22. Ah, racists, and their idiosyncratic definitions of “White” and “Western”.

    Sometimes I heave a sigh of relief that these men are deliberately choosing to stay away from me, but then I realize that in doing so I’m essentially supporting their pursuit of non-White Western women, which is seriously uncool. Especially since those women are likely to face way more bullshit than I am, what with the “ooh, you’re so exotic!” and the “in your culture, women know how to treat their men right, right?” and so — sickeningly — on.

  23. Wait, Spain is not the West now?

    *Confused*

  24. The ‘White Western’ status of Spain is one of those things that’s been in flux ever since the first racialist theorists came up with the whole bullshit, kinda like Eastern Europeans (Slavs) or the Irish. Spain was invaded by the Moors at some point in time, you see, so the ‘pedigree’ of Spanish people is sort of a point of contention. Just like Eastern Europe, the Spanish people are ‘endangered Whites’ when it is of convenience to whip up fervor against an enemy (Muslims/Arabs here, Communists in Eastern Europe) and ‘mongrel race mixers’ when it is convenient to whip up specifically nationalist (rather than “pan-Western”) sentiments. For instance, when American racists oppose Mexican immigration, some of them will limit themselves to theories about them being too mixed with indigenous people, but many will claim even their Spanish ancestors were already not White enough for America before they even got to the continent.

    This complete lack of consistency is not exactly surprising coming from theories that are basically pulled out of the collective anus of humankind.

  25. And of course, since fascism is usually an anti-socialist reactionary policies, the fact of the popularity of anarchism or communism in Spain (Spanish Civil War), Italy (prior to fascist takeover) and Eastern Europe (the stronghold of Bakunin’s faction in the Internationale) is pointed at as a proof of the racial degeneracy of these people by white supremacists.

  26. Similar positions were put forward by the BNP regarding Ireland/the IRA.

  27. In fact, I think this is a perfect example of intersectionality between class and race. Time and time again, class struggle is reframed by counter-revolutionaries as a disease that comes from outsider influence. “Proper Whites” don’t oppose the system, only foreigners, alien influences within the community by minority groups, or White traitors infected by such people. Hence the narrative about Martin Luther King being a communist, the constant propaganda about the Occupy or altermondialist movements being the work of ‘outside professional agitators doing summit hopping”. As long as you think opponents are The Other, it’s easier to demonize them.

  28. Like I have already hinted, my opinion of Western men isn’t much higher, if at all. You get the people you deserve, and Western men deserve the the fat, ugly and often violent Western women, especially the pussified “male” feminists, who quite frankly, probably sit down to pee on demand.

    Wait aren’t you a western man yourself? XD I guess you “deserve” western women right? or is there something that makes you a special snowflake who “deserves” foreign women?

    Also comparing men to dogs, nice misandry there. You are truly the forefront of men’s rights and equality for all men. XD

  29. it hit me when I first travelled to Spain back in ’08. All I had ever known were white women, yet when I was in Spain, I found the quality to be far higher..

    A: Spanish people are white, you jackass
    B: Spain is farther west than Germany and France, you moron.

  30. There are too many people respond to respond to each once individually, so I’m just gonna make general statements, because I don’t care too much about semantics while missing the main point.

    Anyway, I’m talking about Western white women as from countries like the UK, America, Australia and other countries like them. It’s a cultural thing, not really a race, location thing. A dark woman raised in the UK can be just as bad as the white chicks from here.

    To the person who thinks I loathe myself, I love myself enough to stay away from Western women, especially the shrieking, castrating chicks like on feminist forums and such.

    You feminists and MRAs are as bad as each other. As for feminist men, what can I say? Since I think MRAs are worthless, I don’t expect you to become like them, but holy shit, it’s like you don’t have minds of you own. It’s like you desperately want female attention so your willing to abandon any sort of self being you have. By the way, deep down, the female feminists hate you, and you are deserving of it.

  31. To the person who thinks I loathe myself, I love myself enough to stay away from Western women, especially the shrieking, castrating chicks like on feminist forums and such.

    Yet, here you are.

    yway, I’m talking about Western white women as from countries like the UK, America, Australia and other countries like them. It’s a cultural thing, not really a race, location thing. A dark woman raised in the UK can be just as bad as the white chicks from here.

    Well that makes your racist comments so much better.

    You feminists and MRAs are as bad as each other

    False Equivalence, HO!

  32. I also stay away from Western women, preferring Sci-fi women and Fantasy women, as well as the occasional Horror woman or Rom-com woman.

  33. It’s like you desperately want female attention so your willing to abandon any sort of self being you have. By the way, deep down, the female feminists hate you, and you are deserving of it.

    Why do they always assume I am straight and doing it to get laid? Is it so radical that I want women to have the same opportunities men have because its the right thing? I am sorry I am not like you and don’t see social justice as “what I can personally gain” but rather what I can help “people gain”. It’s pretty telling when you project your own selfish reasons for being interested in social justice on us.

  34. I can also smell your male insecurity a male away dude. You might want to cover that up better. You can try to shame me with your own anxiety of women gaining the same social standing as men but its not going to work because I do not care nor do I view women as lesser. Call me a “pussy” who “thoughts are dictating by women” and it reveals far more about your anxiety about women than anything that actually has to do with me.

  35. I’ll thank you mike to not speak on behalf of people you don’t know.

    I’m actually pretty at peace with the world, have declared no one an enemy and really can only think of one person I intensely dislike. I reallu can’t be bothered with hating people, let alone half the human population simply because they exist.

    Speak for yourself, its the only person you’re qualified to speak for.

  36. Jumbofish, I’m guessing they assume male feminists are straight and doing it to get laid because a) they are straight b) there’s only one reason they would set aside their machismo to pretend to see women as human, and, lacking imagination, can’t imagine why a man would so abase himself as to be a woman’s equal. Because being a male feminist totally entails being required to sit down and pee on demand, amirite fellas?!

  37. It’s like you desperately want female attention so your willing to abandon any sort of self being you have. By the way, deep down, the female feminists hate you, and you are deserving of it.

    Hahahaahahahahaahaa! Oh man, keep it dude, you’re hilarious. Like a dull, obnoxious, small-minded bigot such as yourself knows a single fucking thing about my “self being”. Advocate for men’s issues? Please. You’re nothing but a schoolyard bully.

  38. *keep it up*

  39. Mike is teaching me all kinds of important information about myself. I never realized I secretly hated my best friend before!

  40. Mike: There are too many people respond to respond to each once individually, so I’m just gonna make general statements,

    In other words, you can’t back your previous words up in detail.

    Anyway, I’m talking about Western white women as from countries like the UK, America, Australia and other countries like them.

    Like I said, what you don’t like is the “Anglosphere”. More on that later.

    To the person who thinks I loathe myself, I love myself enough to stay away from Western women

    I don’t think it’s self love: I think that’s self-doubt. Your problem is that women who live in your culture… expect to be treated as something close to an equal. You can’t handle that. You aren’t up to being their equals, so you flee to women who aren’t as able to demand that from you.

    As for feminist men, what can I say? Since I think MRAs are worthless, I don’t expect you to become like them, but holy shit, it’s like you don’t have minds of you own. It’s like you desperately want female attention so your willing to abandon any sort of self being you have

    Clueless. I am who I am . Who I am thinks (among other things) that women are people, as capable as I am. No one is entitled to be “above” anyone else. Ergo I am a feminist. Women are the equals of men, entitled to be treated no differently from men.

    I am who I am. There are women (lots of them) who have no interest in me. I like things they don’t. I don’t care. I like to play with guns, and knives and swords. I like to cook. I wear clothes which aren’t stylish (some of which are eccentric. I like a cloak in the summer, because it keeps the rain off. I wear hats, and I like kilts, as well as clothing from the both the English Renaissance and the Regency).

    Then again, I’m not looking to get laid. I have more than enough women who want to sleep with me; insofar as it more than meets my needs, almost exceeeding my desires. I don’t need to chase anymore.

    By the way, deep down, the female feminists hate you, and you are deserving of it.

    Why are we deserving of it? What have you got to show that feminists hate me?

    It’s you demanding a negative proof (That feminists don’t, deep down hate me), which you were dismissive of before. Consistent, you aren’t.

    Then again, you cite Leyks, so it’s not as if we have much reason to respect your intellect.

  41. You know those MRA women who hate feminists? Let’s say one of them were raped, and they reported it, do you think the MRAs would gather around her and fight for her justice? No, I don’t either. Let’s say one of you male feminists were falsely accused of rape. Do you think the feminists would fight for your justice? I don’t. If you’re lucky, they may just not care, most would probably oppose you.

    MRAs hate women, and feminists hate men. Bottom line. You are no better than the MRAs, you’re both cut from the same cloth.

    BTW, I’m not responding to all of the posts aimed at me, it would take too long.

    Bottom line. David Futrelle made the claim that foreign women find stuff like this offensive. I know foreign women who are not only not offended, but agree with me when I complain about Western women. People say they don’t exist, so I show women from other countries talking about them on The Tom Leykis Show, people say I’m citing Leykis, but I don’t, I cite his callers.

    Maybe YOU people should stop generalizing about foreign women, because I know loads of foreign chicks who came to the UK to find work or to study, and they do not have good things to say about the local women in the UK.

  42. CassandraSays

    Funny thing…there was recently an incident where Will Smith was assaulted by a reporter who got him in a headlock and forced a kiss on him, and then pushed the guy away and smacked him, and if you take a look at the blog comments it’s running about 95% feminists saying “of course he has a right to defend himself and push back if someone assaults him – no, he shouldn’t have to put up with that just because he’s a man”. Which is exactly what I would have predicted would happen, because in general feminists are in fact supportive of men who’re sexually assaulted.

    You’re a strange angry little man, Mike.

  43. MRAs are a fucking embarrassment to men everywhere. You are cowards! Shut the fuck up and stop making me look bad you ignorant assholes! Fuck off!

  44. I don’t suppose there’s any chance that the only “foreign chicks” you listen to are the ones who happen to agree with you, is there? You know, like how the only men you advocate for are those you deem adequately manly?

    Nah, couldn’t be. After all, it’s certainly not like we have any reason to suspect you of bias.

  45. Actually Mike I think it is you who is generalising. I also know a lot of foreign women living in the UK, and they don’t have such bigoted views of UK women. As was said earlier, like attracts like so obviously the women you attract into your social circle are going to be as unpleasant as you and the women I attract will be as warm and open-minded as me.

    Where do your lady friends get their perceptions anyway (and really, I think it’s very cowardly of you to hide behind ‘foreign lady friends’ – YOU think this, own your own opinions)? The wee list you posted up ahead sounds like they’ve got their perceptions of the UK from watching some tacky BINGE DRINKING BRITAIN!1! documentary, where they go onto the streets of some provincial town on a Saturday night at chucking out time and film the carnage.

    I know I personally don’t fit any of the criteria on your little list of “why British women suck” and I know loads of women who don’t either. Even if I or they did, so what? Why should we care what you or some other judgmental idiot thinks? Other than being violent and aggressive, behaviour I definitely don’t approve of, I don’t really see what’s wrong with being fat, or unconventionally attractive, or liking false eyelashes. I have a friend down south who is an ex-glamour model. She likes fake tan and eyelashes and things and has had her boobs done. She’s still a lovely beautiful person though and really she’s not doing it for the benefit of the likes of you. She’s happily married and now runs her own business. Really, her world isn’t going to collapse just because you or some other ignoramus has decided she’s “worthless” based on entirely shallow criteria.

    Anyway, you’ve still not answered the question of who you advocate for. Are you an advocate for Mike or an advocate for men? You claimed it. Stop all this “I’m above MRAs and feminists! I’m a special ickle snowflake!” nonsense and tell us.

  46. CassandraSays

    When I was still living in London my best friend was “foreign”. I’m going to be nice and not repeat any of the things she had to say about some British men. Didn’t have anything much bad to say about British women, as far as I remember.

    (The British men she was complaining about were a lot like Mike, the kind who referred to her as “foreign”.)

  47. At least straw feminists and MRA, in Mike’s mind, care for their own gender*. Mike cares for Mike. And people he finds attractive, which means he does not really see them as people.

    *In reality, feminists care for more and MRAs, well they care for a very small subset of men.

  48. Crumbelievable

    Oh look, it’s one of those “I’m Above It All” guys. We haven’t had a troll like you in a while.

  49. CassandraSays

    Also I wonder if anyone here other than Ponkz is picking up on the undercurrent that I am. Brits as a rule don’t use the word “foreign” unless they’re a very specific sort of Brit, the sort who reads the Daily Mail and has all kinds of unsavory ideas about, well, just about everything really.

  50. Oh, I’m definitely getting that vibe. The whole “English women” rather than saying British thing as well – no mention of Welsh, or Scottish, or Irish women. There’s a sort of person who reads the Daily Mail down south who tends to view *anyone* not English as ‘foreign’ and untrustworthy, so that includes Scots, Welsh and Irish people.

    In fact, Mike’s attitude reminds me of something a friend told me about encountering such a person in a pub. He’s from Ayrshire originally but now lives down in England. He met a guy in a pub who loudly opined that The Scotch (and they always refer to us as Scotch, not Scots – that’s usually a good indicator you’re dealing with a xenophobic idiot) are bastards, “but you’re all right, mate.” It’s the whole, “But not 100% are worthless! I’m not a complete bigot!” thing again. Er, yes you are!

  51. CassandraSays

    I always used to feel like saying “Scotch is for eggs, not for people, sweetie”. But yeah, calling people “foreign” is a dogwhistle for xenophobia, as is rolling everyone from outside the UK into one giant mass of “foreign” as is if they were all one giant undifferentiated mass.

  52. Crumbelievable

    [U]nless they’re a very specific sort of Brit, the sort who reads the Daily Mail and has all kinds of unsavory ideas about, well, just about everything really.

    He’s already admitted to being a fan of Tom Leykis. I’m sure he has lots of “unsavory ideas”, particularly about women.

  53. CassandraSays

    Ugh, he’s like an English version of Ullere. I thought that leaving the UK would mean leaving people like that behind, but apparently not.

  54. Crumbelievable

    Wow, it’s been a while since someone dredged up Leykis. I thought he was pretty irrelevant nowadays.

    The guys over on MGTOW are pretty big fans of his–what a surprise.

  55. I find it highly offensive that men who choose to marry women from foreign nations are somehow “dysfunctional” losers who have sex with fembots and dolls. LOL!!!! How silly and childish such talk is.

    The truth is, I myself married a Middle Eastern woman (Lebanese) for some (though not all) of the same reasons that this hellcat alluded to. None of those reasons had anything to do with me “not being able to get a white femaIe,” or white female “being too strong”. LOL!!! Strong? Dont’ be ridiculous. More like “unenjoyable to be around”. Contrary to those aformentioned stated opinions. I 1) Have always found white women to be rather easy to bed (and I have slept with many). And 2) I rarely ever met white women who had any real stregnth. Most of their “stregnth” comes from attaining affirmative action positions, and government enforcement of the special treatment that they are afforded in western societies.

    The truth is, I have always found darker skinned woman more attractive than lighter skinned females. They age better, and are generally much more laid back and free spirited than their pale skinned sisters. Also, this belief among feminists that spearhead white male readers are searching for women who are completely submissive and sub-servient is ridiculous. I know many white men married to non-white females. In fact I know well over a dozen such men whom are my personal friends and associates and do not know a single white man that fits that description.

    In closing, I think that hell cat could have stated his opinion a little more tactfully. However I find many of the posts and comments on this site far more offensive. I think that it is a good thing that more white men are getting out in the world and meeting different females from different backrounds. I think this trend will grow as more and more white males migrate to other non-western nations. This trend should be praised (or atleast be treated neutral) as oppossed to receiving the scorn that it has.

  56. @Cassandra

    Oh, no doubt. That’s the reason I have no problem believing his anecdotes, I’m intimately familiar with his type. It’s funny: although I see the whole FOREIGN BRIDE thing in the manosphere stuff that David links to, I’ve only seen this particular usage offline in England. “Fucking immigrant”, OTOH, seems to transcend all boundaries

  57. As for feminist men, what can I say? Since I think MRAs are worthless, I don’t expect you to become like them, but holy shit, it’s like you don’t have minds of you own. It’s like you desperately want female attention so your willing to abandon any sort of self being you have. By the way, deep down, the female feminists hate you, and you are deserving of it.

    And your evidence for this is…?

    I certainly identify as a male feminist, and if you told my wife that I’d “abandoned any sort of self being” or that I don’t have a mind of my own, you’d be met with uncontrollable giggling, possibly accompanied by a heartfelt “if only!”. And I think the last time I “desperately wanted female attention” was when I was still a teenage virgin, which was more than a quarter century ago – since then I’ve had pretty much non-stop “female attention” without making any effort at all.

    OK, maybe all the female feminists I hang out with really do start jeering and pointing as soon as my back’s turned, but I’d honestly be very very surprised. Not least because I can’t for the life of me fathom what their motives would be. You know, since they voluntarily choose to hang out with me, even to the point of initiating such encounters themselves.

    Oh, and I completely endorse CassandraSays’ point about Daily Mail readers – and whether or not Mike literally reads the paper is neither here nor there: he’s exhibiting exactly the same characteristics and prejudices.

  58. Amazing! Those foreign chicks must really get around too, seeing as Mike has these strong opinions on Anglo women EVERYWHERE!

    Because of course, Canadian culture is just like American culture which is just like English culture right? Really no differences at all!

  59. CassandraSays

    Just going to leave this here for our friend Mike.

  60. I don’t read The Daily Fail, The Daily Fail sickens me, just like most of the right wingers. (I’m an independent) And yes, I am a Tom Leykis fan and proud. He taught me not to take shit from uppity, loud mouthed, bitchy women like the ones on this website.

  61. Actually I think you must enjoy loud mouthed bitchy women mike. You are here, quite deliberately interacting with an entire board chock full of us.

  62. uppity, loud mouthed, bitchy women

    Do tell

  63. Mike makes me glad I don’t listen anymore. He sounds like a mindless sheep, partly because of how he parrots Things Of Which Tom Disapproves and partly because of how he buys into stereotypes and gender-normative bullshit hook, line, and sinker. Thanks for being a walking deterrent, Mike.

  64. “Funny thing…there was recently an incident where Will Smith was assaulted by a reporter who got him in a headlock and forced a kiss on him, and then pushed the guy away and smacked him, and if you take a look at the blog comments it’s running about 95% feminists saying “of course he has a right to defend himself and push back if someone assaults him – no, he shouldn’t have to put up with that just because he’s a man”. Which is exactly what I would have predicted would happen, because in general feminists are in fact supportive of men who’re sexually assaulted”

    Well of course they are going to say that, it fits in with their own agenda. They are hardly going to say “well, he’s a guy, so we approve.” The acid test was duke lacrosse, and the feminists failed. Remember feminist “males” if you were on that team, they would have loved to see you in prison, in fact, I suspect the feminists still want those 3 innocent men in prison. They sure as hell weren’t concerned about their innocence!

  65. BTW, where is that Crystal Gail Mangum cunt? In prison for murder now, right? Remember feminist “males”, they would value a woman like this more than you if she pointed the finger. You carry on supporting these feminist scum though, you’re getting what you deserve No sympathy from me.

  66. Mike give it up already. Men who don’t commit rape and actively seek consent, which is the vast majority of men by the way, don’t worry about rape accusations. Do you know why? Because false accussations are quite uncommon. They are in fact, no more common than false accusations of any other kind.

    You’re in such a bad mood this morning Mike. Maybe you should have another coffee and take a break.

  67. The acid test was duke lacrosse, and the feminists failed. Remember feminist “males” if you were on that team, they would have loved to see you in prison, in fact, I suspect the feminists still want those 3 innocent men in prison.

    First of all, it’s called a “lithmus test”, you dolt. Maybe you are forgetting English, what dating all those foreign women — but I bet you haven’t become fluent in Tagalog, either.

    Second, in the Duke Lacrosse case, no men were raped. Some men were accused of rape and prosecuted, based on there being, at one time, sufficient evidence for a prima facie case. They were ultimately exonerated, and the attorney who committed misconduct was punished — proving that the system actually worked for these men, in a situation where people who aren’t well-off white dudes get railroaded.

    Third, these “innocent men” didn’t help their image by telling the stripper to fuck herself with a broom and circulating an e-mail describing a fantasy in which they would masturbate while slicing a woman’s skin off with a razor, reaching an orgasm as she dies. “Innocent”? In a technical sense, yeah, and I don’t want them going to prison for this crime. But I sure as hell don’t want to run across one of these “innocent men” in a dark alley, I don’t want them living anywhere near my kids, and I don’t want them ever attaining positions of power and control over women, so that they may act out their gory fantasies. It’s like I’ve always said, if you don’t want to be perceived as a rapist, don’t act like one. Who knows, perhaps those “foreign women” you are talking about enjoy being treated like animals and having their skin sliced off during sex, but somehow the attention that violent, murderous men pay them doesn’t make me jealous.

  68. BTW, where is that Crystal Gail Mangum cunt? In prison for murder now, right?

    Yeah, she’s in prison because feminists totally control the system, the government, and everything, and victims of female criminals can’t ever get justice EVAH.

    You are utterly INCAPABLE of logical thinking, Mike, are you?

  69. Men who don’t commit rape and actively seek consent, which is the vast majority of men by the way, don’t worry about rape accusations. Do you know why? Because false accussations are quite uncommon. They are in fact, no more common than false accusations of any other kind.

    Indeed. And on the rare occasions when false rape accusations end up in a full-scale court hearing, the accuser usually gets punished severely – which itself is a pretty strong disincentive to anyone who’s tempted to pull that particular stunt.

    There has barely been a day since the mid-1980s when I haven’t been alone in a room with someone of the opposite sex for a period of several minutes minimum, and not once have I ever felt that I was in danger of being hit with a false rape accusation, and neither have I ever thought that such a thing was likely from any of my various sexual partners over the years. Which isn’t to say that it could never happen, of course, but it’s vanishingly unlikely – not just in terms of statistical probability but in terms of plausibility in general.

    And I suspect a major reason for this is that I’ve always been certain that the sexual activity I’ve taken part in has been consensual – even to the point of refusing to have sex with a close friend’s sister because although she seemed all too willing at the time, she was clearly too drunk to give informed consent. But I suspect the average MRA would have been all over her (literally), and that’s exactly the sort of scenario that does lead to rape accusations – and quite rightly.

    You’re in such a bad mood this morning Mike. Maybe you should have another coffee and take a break.

    Coffee might be a mistake.

  70. If you don’t take any shit from us uppity, bitchy women, why are you here?

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