Spearheader: Let’s breed those stuck-up white western women out of existence.
Run, Dick, run!
One widespread belief of the manosphere crowd is that “Western women” – that is, white women in developed countries – are a bunch of stuck-up, demanding, divorce-initiating feminism-infected harridans. So the proper course of action for the almost-all-white dudes of the manosphere is to seek a woman with darker skin and a (supposedly) more pliable nature. Even better: beleaguered white dudes should move to one of the countries where these feminism-free gals live, because when you bring them to the United States they too have a tendency to become infected with evil feminism and to become as stuck-up and evil as their lighter-skinned sisters.
This belief isn’t universal amongst manospehreians by any stretch of the imagination. White nationalist manosphreians (like those who populate the blog In Mala Fide) get testy when their women are considered inferior to non-whites; others think that all women are equally evil. Still others think that moving to a whole other country is too much of a hassle. Rarely do you find a manospherian willing to state the obvious: that the “white women suck” mantra is as offensive to non-white women as it is to white women.
Over on The Spearhead, one commenter has taken the “white women suck” mantra to its logical extreme, arguing that these evil women need to be quite literally bred out of existence.
Let’s take a look at walking in hell’s argument:
If one thinks about it, the misandry and divorce problem are problems that occur in countries where the women are light-skinned–mostly Northern Hemisphere Western Contries, and where the governments are atheist or were atheist.
Problem countries are Sweden, Germany, Czech Republic, Poland, Russia, United States, France, Britain, Ireland, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, etc. In short–the West. Light skinned women are by nature more dominant and controlling. If you combine that with a culture that encourages bad behavior, you as a man are doomed.
So far, this is standard-issue western-women-suck-ism. But then Hell starts talking about genes.
So the misandry problem is problem of genetics and culture. We can see the genetic differences in the United States. Asian Women divorce their husbands at a much lower rate then the other racial groups. The exception in America is the American Black Women (But isn’t she exceptional, after all)? I mean native African Women have very little resemblance to American Black Women).
Ironically, it’s fairly typical for the white-women-suck crowd to hate black women even more; in this case the only non-typical thing about Hell’s screed is that he’s willing to cut African women some slack.
Now Hell sets forth his basic thesis:
My point is this: I maintain the best wife for a white man is someone darker skinned then he is. I maintain that the best culture for the white man and his wife is a man-friendly culture. For example, a white man and Mexican woman living in Mexico; a white man and Thai Woman living in Thailand; a white man and a Morracan Woman, living in Morraco; a white man and Turkish Woman, living in Turkey. This strategy neutralizes the light-skinned genes, and at the same time neutralizes the cultural influences.
Note: If you plan to move to Morocco to escape the tyranny of white women, you should probably learn to spell the name of the country correctly first.
Naturally, Hell can’t bring himself to suggest that white men should marry black women. And he thinks that even black men should give African-American women a pass:
For a black man, possibly the best plan is to emigrate to Africa in order to have a family. I had a friend who did this. Most African divorce laws keep the man firmly in charge with sole custody automatically going to the man.
While some Western-women-hating manospherians have something of a fetish for Eastern European women, Hell warns his fellow men to avoid these sneaky deceitful harridans as well:
Whatever you do, never bring an Eastern European, Russian, or Ukrainian Girl to the Unites States.
But it isn’t only the Eastern European women who are spoiled by the evil feminism of the west.
In fact don’t bring any woman to the United States. Remember: even the healthiest fish becomes sick when the lake is poisoned. Some fish will become sicker than others depending on their genetic makeup. For example, that nice girl you brought over from Asia might not divorce you when she comes to the USA, but she is likely to become a much different (difficult and unpredictable) person.
So who is the best man for the white woman living in the West? Quite simply, no man; or another woman. Very few men in the West will be able to satify Western White Women.
And this, naturally, leads to what what we might call Hell’s Final Solution to the problem:
These women need to be bred out of existence.
We as men can speed the extinction of Western White Women by encouraging them to pursue the single life or to pursue another woman as a spouse (lesbianism). We can do this actively and passively. Actively by outright encouragement, and passively by never giving a Western Woman access to our sperm, money, or time.
Despite its, er, problematic content, Hell’s comment managed to draw 21 upvotes from fellow Spearheaders, more than twice the number of downvotes it received.
I eagerly await A Voice for Men’s campaign to uncover and expose the identities of Hell and his upvoters – as well as against The Spearhead itself for providing a safe harbor for such thinking. I mean, AVfM literally offered a $1000 award for the personal information of a feminist who made similarly troubling remarks about men, and a separate $1000 reward for the identities of those involved in a theatrical production about a feminist who wrote a famous manifesto about the evils of men. Surely the A Voice for Men crowd will be equally offended by these remarks from their comrades on The Spearhead.
Here on Man Boobz we content ourselves with highlighting bad ideas, not harassing or threatening or exposing the personal information of those who promulgate them. The “war of ideas” isn’t an actual war. The bad ideas we highlight here are as silly as they are reprehensible; they will ultimately vanish from the world on their own — though hopefully our mockery of them will help to speed that process a little bit.
EDITED TO ADD: Thanks to scarlettpipistrelle for pointing me to this lovely comment.
Posted on May 15, 2012, in a voice for men, antifeminism, asian fetishist, evil women, homophobia, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, MRA, oppressed white men, racism, reactionary bullshit, the spearhead, western women suck. Bookmark the permalink. 394 Comments.
Asian Women divorce their husbands at a much lower rate then the other racial groups.
Obviously this man has never heard of the Asian Divorce or Goose daddies.
wait are you saying the manosphere doesn’t care about people of color?
Breed out white women by…but genes don’t work that way…
Oh, wait…this guy probably thinks you can “swamp” recessive genes permanently by matching them with dominant genes. With maybe a side order of “all genetic traits are also sex-linked,” such that a white man and non-white woman will have white sons and non-white daughters.
further shocking revelations: people from different fucking continents don’t have similar behavior
Their discussion over there was funny. They can’t figure out if they think white women are evil because of genetics, or white women are evil because of their environment. It’s the misogynist’s version of the nature/nurture debate.
Walking In Hell, congratulations! You Fail Biology Forever!
Yeah.
To expand upon this: skin color isn’t paint. If a population with a mix of skin colors interbreeds randomly for many generations, you don’t get all tan people–you a bell curve, with a few very pale people and a few very dark people at the ends. You can’t “breed out” the light skin color genes unless no white people reproduce.
The whole thing is ridiculous on so many levels, but the “genes mix up like my Crayola watercolors, right?” one is one of the funnier ones.
All this tells me is that these dudes know as many people of mixed racial background as they do women
QFFT.
I wonder what “there is no evolution” NWO would have to say about this idea of “breeding out white women”. Something about superdogs?
“For a black man, possibly the best plan is to emigrate to Africa in order to have a family. I had a friend who did this. ”
riiiiiiiiiiight…
I like how their colour coding women now. They’re all a big bunch or racists really. Lol.
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they’re* Grammar fail =(
Please tell me MRAism is a genetic trait, and they’ll (not) breed themselves out of existence. What was that book, the sci fi one, with all the manly men living outside the village, let in only to reproduce with the women, and then they find out that none of them have been actually breeding, and it’s the kindler, gentler manginas in the village that are the actual fathers of the children? The women are breeding out violence. Spearhead night terror reading.
This is an observation about behavior, not necessarily “race”. Feminism is today a worldwide disease, although it infects White women to a somewhat greater degree (so far) than it does nonwhite ones.
Modern women STINK!! This is because they are inadaquately trained in the arts of being women, and brainwashed (over-educated?) in being opinionated, pushy, greedy, lazy, pseudo-masculine, and always trying to put their own sorry egos ahead of the man who loves them. North America, Western Europe and Australlia’s women seem to be the worst, regardless of whether the women(?) are white or not.
Lonely, frustrated, or bewildered men may do better looking at culture and geography, as well as race and nationality. Your chances in the USSA People’s Republic are almost nonexistent, and even if you find a treasured jewel from the third world, she will probably go feminist on you in a few years here, and you will be back where you started!
Oh, go have sex with your robot some more.
Oh David K. Meller, the answer is so obviously dolls. Such pretty, pretty dolls. And you can apply perfume to them! So silent and lovely.
What walking in hell clearly didn’t take into account is “Western women’s” ultimate tool against being bred out of existence. So… let the sperm-jacking begin.
(Reading his wisdom I had an irresistible desire to steal little hell’s “light-skinned genes”. Oh yes. I’ll have his Western, stuck-up white babies whether he wants it or not.)
Such wit, such originality! I must use all my energy to come up with an insult far greater than that.
Hnnnnnnggggggggg……
You’re a poopy booger head, Meller.
There, that should do it.
Do you suppose he understands what he said there with regard to white men breeding?
Creepy.
As opposed to those saintly men, who always put their dolls’ egos first. Right?
You mean they’re being trained to be men? The horror.
Except they’re not really trained to be like that.
And if a man actually loved a woman, he wouldn’t give a shit if she fit into the fairy tale gender mold.
Also, as usual, atheism is painted as less than ideal because holy shit we can’t possibly go against the bible and let our women be real people. WTF!?
noted white supremacist david k. meller is not on board with this plan. world remains not shocked.
yeah, dkm, because you dont put massaging your fragile ego above everything else in your mewlings about your fantasy partner. do we need to add hypocritical to dumb and bigoted on your list of personality flaws.
‘Cause that sure beats looking in the mirror, huh buddy? Just keep blaming everyone but yourself for what a complete and utter asshole you are.
dkm hates women, but it makes him uncomfortable to admit that, so he’s invented this fantasy version of woman that he wouldn’t hate, and then whenever anyone correctly points out that he hates women, he whines about how we don’t give him credit for not hating his pretend version of women.
and then he goes and pretends dolls are people* or something.
*to the extent that dkm is capable of perceiving women as people, which is… limited
You mean we haven’t already?
“a white man and Turkish Woman, living in Turkey.”
I’m always amazed at their definition of “white”.
I’m what are the Turkish?
As somebody who’s been called “a Turkish bitch” it seems to me that most people can’t tell a dark haired “western woman” from a dark haired “Turkish woman”…
Or they start amassing QUITE the Madame Alexander doll collection.
Mellertoad, you suck as a person.
“and even if you find a treasured jewel from the third world, she will probably go feminist on you in a few years here, and you will be back where you started!”
I heard Saudi Arabia was pretty guy friendly. She can hardly get a divorce there anyway
He’s written a whole screed about race, yet he thinks everyone in africa is the same race?
Hey David, wasn’t there somewhere on the posts comments where it was mentioned that white women were just too strong? It was kinda slid in there and completely ignored.
Stood out to me though as a Freudian slip.
Well, there goes the “breeding feminism out” theory. I mean, if all we have to do is breath on them and they catch the “plague” of thinking they deserve to be treated as actual people*, then the MRM is pretty much doomed, isn’t it?
*lordy, do I wish this were true. If I could breath the bigot out of people, my life would have so much less headdesk.
All their rants seem to boil down to human rights for me but not for thee.
Pillowinhell, yeah, it’s in walking in hell’s comment. (I didn’t quote the whole thing.) It’s not a slip; it’s part of his argument, that comes up again in the stuff I did quote, when he says that “Light skinned women are by nature more dominant and controlling.” Here’s what he said about “too strong” white women:
Can you have a white man and a Mexican woman living in Thailand, or does that just make their heads explode? The only thing that has always confused me about this is why are these superior women settling for one of these guys? Having met (and worked with) men from various countries that aren’t Western and English speaking, they seem fairly ordinary guys, and often quite nice. I can’t understand why non-Western women would be rushing to American MRAs.
Annnd isn’t the underlying assumption of misogynists all about how strong and resolute men are in pursuing their interests?
So essentially isnt that statement a head nod to them not being as manly as they like to percieve themselves?
My heartfelt condolences to all those women of a non-peach-ish appearing skin color for these sorts of MRAs.
Pretty funny seeing all the demands for “cites” on the Spearhead site. Aren’t citations a feminist conspiracy, while just saying shit as facts is more manly? Even the spearheaders can’t take this genetic malarkey as fact, although they’re quick to say “but you’re right about women anyways”.
Meller: Would you please pass on a few more words about how funny you find cancer? Because a dear friend’s husband is dying of aggressive metastatic testicular cancer, and I’m sure she would find your comments fucking hilarious. (thanks, again, to everyone who passed on good wishes and condolences.)
And, just to point out what a horrible excuse for a human being you are, our crazypants cat is alive and well, despite drawing blood today – it’s evidently a ‘don’t you dare scratch the base of my tail’ kind of day, and she’s not really all that great at communicating that without claws.
Fuck right off,
KathleenB
@FelixBC,
Please tell me MRAism is a genetic trait, and they’ll (not) breed themselves out of existence. What was that book, the sci fi one, with all the manly men living outside the village, let in only to reproduce with the women, and then they find out that none of them have been actually breeding, and it’s the kindler, gentler manginas in the village that are the actual fathers of the children? The women are breeding out violence. Spearhead night terror reading.
I think you’re thinking of Sherri Tepper’s The Gate To Women’s Country which is a great book, (despite the horrible cover that Wikipedia chose for illustration). The “kinder, gentler manginas” knew about the breeding program all along, but the manly warriors never got a clue, because they were too busy plotting to take over the entire village and make women their slaves.
Wait, if you bring a woman to a country where she actually has rights, she wants to keep and assert those rights? How astonishing!
You know if women spontaneously and repeatedly start fighting to be treated equally to men the world over, one would think that it would dawn on MRAs that maybe women are naturally not doormats.
One would think…if one used logic, which is precious short supply in with MRAs like DKM.
Blue Jean, thanks. That’s the one. Servitors, not manginas. But now that I read the wikipedia summary, I notice I missed some major BS:
Whoa, not ok. Good thing I didn’t remember any of that. Though I was recommending it ironically; I remember it as pretty schlocky, and that it annoyed a bunch of people. Rightly so.
Those women develop feminist streaks too, so long as they have leeway to do so (It’s becoming more popular in China and Japan, f’rex). Clearly you must try to join the marriage strike and refuse to breed at all. That’ll surely help.
There is a comic I read semi-regularly which will remain nameless, about a misogynistic barbarian warrior who is transformed into an attractive woman. It’s sort of a swords-and-sorcery pastiche with a habit of playing both sides of the fence when it comes to fanservice. Now I’m not sure if this was due to the original writer or the one who took over last year, but said warrior wound up being betrothed to the king, who was the father of the princess she rescued. What was very interesting was the way that, as the barbarian’s self-image collapsed in whiny misogyny and she started to become a weak bimbo, the writer went out of his way to portray the king as *very* turned off by that. A rather nice touch for an R-rated jiggle-ish comic I think…
I suppose this counters my trolling of MRA sites pretending to be a bloke and vehemently encouraging these inferiors to all get vasectomies and To Go Their Own Way. It’s all yin and yang I guess.
Yet I found one. Perhaps the MRAs would like lessons from him? (Hint: Lesson One is “stop being a racist, misogynistic fuckwit.”)
Ironically, I found him *after* he had spent several years teaching in many of the countries/continents that the “flee the white western women!” MRAs suggest men try instead. Odd, that. Almost like women are human beings, no matter where you go….
DKM:
I always thought the interesting part of The Joy Luck Club was the Chinese-American woman who thought she was supposed to be a doormat, only to find out her (white) husband was cheating on her because he didn’t like weak women.
@felixBC,
You’re welcome. Well, Gate isn’t to everybody’s taste, and I understand about the WC’s homophobia, but Tepper wasn’t writing about an ideal society; she was writing a dystopia. Nobody’s happy with the situation, the WC leadership least of all; they see themselves as doing damnable things so the unthinkable (nuclear war) won’t happen again. The elimination of zygotes who might develop as gay* was Tepper’s way of cutting the Gordian knot based on this kind of dystopia; it’s a little hard to keep the big secret of the bait and switch when some people on both teams refuse to play at all. If you want to see a society where everyone’s sexuality is embraced and celebrated, then try Tepper’s Six Moon Dance, which depicts a far happier community.
Though I was recommending it ironically; I remember it as pretty schlocky, and that it annoyed a bunch of people. Rightly so.
Schlocky? Hon, you have you ever waded through the endless Gor saga? Or the thousands of fantasy titles where the men are almighty warriors and the women are sex slaves/breeders who do little more than say “Yes, master.” or “No, master.”? Then you can tell from schlocky. :-D**
*note that gay people themselves are not persecuted or mistreated, even though there might be some among the Holylanders whom the WC wants to rescue, and there are certainly some who decide to join WC, like the psychic twins.
**Gate, BTW, is partly an ironic joke based on this manly warrior/breeder woman type of post nuclear fiction. I turned to it after I lived through The Postman (the movie, not the book).
Um, Blue Jean, Tepper’s pretty consistently problematic.
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2011/04/15/deconstructing-sheri-teppers-2008-interview-with-strange-horizons/
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/04/sheri-s-teppers-dystopias
The “nonhumans” she’s referring to are people with mental illnesses or those with addictions.
I really like the Man Boobz tactic of dealing with toxic twittery. “The best way to drive out the devil, if he will not yield to texts of Scripture, is to jeer and flout him, for he cannot bear scorn.” (Luther) The concepts of facts, logic, and consistency cut no ice with Spearheaders, so what’s left? All the others have been tried time and again.
@bluejean Oh, the joys of evaluating a book I haven’t read in 20+ years… hazardous!
Schlock…have so far successfully evaded Gor, although I did check it out online when it kept coming up on Manboobz as an MRA utopia.
Speaking of dystopias, I highly recommend The Book of Dave, by Will Self. It’s a future world where the unmoored ravings of a London cabbie in the throes of a divorce become the bible of a entire civilization. Men and women are segregated and must never live together, and the children shuttle between the two… It’s pretty much what you would think if you scrawled a lot of random things on bits of parchment and then found a society living by those words in a completely literal way 2000 years later. Imagine if NWO’s posts became scripture… we’d all be worshipping milk machines and decrying the evil Pepsi.
Oh, and they are mindreaders over on the Spearhead. They know what Eduardo Saverin really meant even though he didn’t say it to the press. What penetrating Urim and Thummim they have over there!
“Highwasp May 14, 2012 at 12:39
and another ‘right on cue’:
Facebook co-founder: Why I really left U.S.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/facebook-co-founder–america-is-ok–it’s-the-rules-that-are-a-pain.html
of course he doesn’t mention the elephant in the room – the Divorce industry and feminism would bleed him dry if he stays in the US – but the headline about him leaving the US is right on target with what has been written and discussed here for a long time…”
Nobody needs to say a word, The Spearhead will speak for you!
The Spearhead: voice for the voiceless—especially those with particularly loud voices.
I always find it interesting when men tell women what we are by nature supposed to be. You’d think that being women, we would know better what it means to be a woman.
I know, right? It’s almost like when women live in a country where they have more options than
a) be married to fuckwad I loathe
b) starve in the streets
c) be killed
they choose one of those other options. Like, live alone. Be married to somebody I don’t loathe. Do things I find enjoyable.
How weird is that?
@Unimaginative
If women aren’t forced to marry men they loathe, how will MRAs ever find a bride? It’s discrimination against douchebags, damn it!
[blockquote]**Gate, BTW, is partly an ironic joke based on this manly warrior/breeder woman type of post nuclear fiction. I turned to it after I lived through The Postman (the movie, not the book).[/blockquote]
Don’t dismiss the book because of the crappy movie though. The author, David Brin, is easily one of the best sci-fi writers I’ve read.
Blockquote fail. I’ve been spending too much time in BBCode based forums apparently.
Apparently, feminism now causes breast cancer:
http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2012/05/walking-the-walk-and-breast-cancer-lies/
@Magpie: Wow. Wow wow wow. How can anybody with enough access to the internet to have a blog be so completely ignorant? Although, I guess it’s willful ignorance, which isn’t really curable by access to information.
It’s one of those things that makes you think “She’s got to be a Poe”
I am betting is on legit sadly.
Poe or not, I’m laughing at “Abortion, delayed childbearing, childlessness, lack of breastfeeding, the birth control pill – many medical experts agree these phenomena, all abundantly supported by feminists, are connected to the striking increase in breast cancer in Western women.”
Because oh yeah, I’m sure not dying in childbirth at <35 has *nothing* to do with it! Live longer, get more nasty things, welcome to facts of life 101!
(facts of life 102 will focus on genetics, with a special 1000 level course on genocide by forced assimilation)
ed with) men from various countries that aren’t Western and English speaking, they seem fairly ordinary guys, and often quite nice.”
Hah, no wonder why I almost never see sexual relationships, either intimate or casual, between non-Western and English-speaking men and Western and English-speaking women, especially in the men’s home countries: Perma-Friendzoned!
“I can’t understand why non-Western women would be rushing to American MRAs.”
Heh, proof that “Western”, specifically 1st world, women think differently from women everywhere else. Historically (as in the entirety of human history), there are really only two things the average human woman anywhere has really cared about when it comes to seeking a man as a sexual partner: the size of his wallet and the size of his body (specifically the organs involved in sex e.g. genitalia, tongue, fingers). And American men, being from the Good Old U.S.A. where the average guy is both larger (due to food/beverage hormones, environmental radiation, and whatnot) and richer compared to the average guy from, say, a 3rd-world country, are seen as automatically Alpha. Then of course, there’s the fact that the other half of the planet’s women that aren’t into tanning salons are into skin lighteners.
It’s really frustrating, foreign men come to my country in the Orient and take away the choicest local women and the local men can’t do likewise with foreign women, i.e. by and large, there’s no reciprocity at all, for the most part. In my youth, I was most embittered about this, but then I realized I couldn’t blame my brothers from the other side of the world, as their own local women had become, as a general rule, intolerable company indeed (which is why, among other things, fellow Orientals, the Japanese, have really gotten into “virtual love”).
The solitary comment on the post is so beautiful that no one dared follow that act. Beware the evils of shirtless firemen, for they are the minions of the snake of Eden!!!
I honestly do hope that they one day do actually create sex bots that these people can use instead of abusing actual, real women.
It’s obviously that these men just want sex dolls that agree with them, and I say, the sooner they can have that option, the sooner the rest of us will be able to bid them GOOD RIDDANCE.
“I always find it interesting when men tell women what we are by nature supposed to be. You’d think that being women, we would know better what it means to be a woman”
Tch, as if women, especially Western(ized) feminists, don’t do the exact same thing to men. Of course, when women don’t do it, they specifically literally demonize basic male nature (i.e. whatever happened to “boys will be boys”) as barbaric, primitive, savage, etc. — damned if you do, damned if you don’t,if a man is Alpha, he’s a dangerous thug who should be permanently distrusted, while if he’s Beta, he’s a pathetic wimp who should be constantly disrespected — yet hypocritically embracing the exact same qualities when applied to women (i.e. “Grrrlll power!!!”)
Shadow, yeah I just got that far myself, when the *fuck* did feminists start supporting PETA’s naked-woman campaigns?
Grah, the rant this post is about!
“If one thinks about it, the misandry and divorce problem are problems that occur in countries where the women are light-skinned–mostly Northern Hemisphere Western Contries, and where the governments are atheist or were atheist.”
Translation — fuck the first amendment! Well, ok, but then they can promptly shut up? (note, I like my first amendment, a lot, enough that letting them have a platform seems worth it given the other option)
Alas, Laura Wood is completely serious.