After hearing a misogynist make some rancid generalization about women based on the terrible behavior of one particular woman, it’s hard not to respond by saying “not all women are like that.” Misogynists hear this so often, and evidently see it as so hilarious, that they’ve invented their own little acronym for the phrase: NAWALT. You’ll find this all the time on MRA sites, along with its sister acronym NAFALT, with “feminists” in the place of “women.”
Many MRAs seem to believe that simply repeating one or another of these acronyms is an effective, and highly witty, rebuttal to their critics. Because to them it is self-evident: All women, all feminists, ARE like that.
So imagine the pleasure I felt when I finally ran across an MRA-ish fellow challenging this conventional wisdom. On his blog la prensa, the regular Spearhead commenter known as Boxer makes this controversial claim:
It is a popular misconception which men hold on to which suggests all women are the same. This is not the case.
Unfortunately, my pleasure lasted only as long as it took to read these two sentences. Because then Boxer went on to explain just what he meant by this:
For example: Some women are whores, and others are even trashier than whores. Some women live in houses where the litter boxes overflow and the pungent aroma of catshit lingers lovingly in the air. Other women are allergic to cats, and their houses carry the stench of human feces, rotting food and the cheap perfumes they douse themselves in.
Apparently Boxer has never been invited into any woman’s house, and bases most of his opinions of the fair sex on reruns of Hoarders.
Men will center themselves upon these notable differences, and mistakenly assume that the diversity of individual women points to differences in the way individual women behave. Such high-minded fools usually learn the hard way, when the woman decides to “cash out” with the help of the state and its family law courts, who are always eager to liquidate a lifetime of male planning and work, dividing it between themselves and the cunt which the fool so stupidly married.
See yesterday’s post for more on women and their apparently insatiable hunger for D-I-V-O-R-C-E.
The foolish man, confronted by a mountain of inescapable evidence that every woman, from his mother and sister down to the bitch who empties the trashcan in his office, is a trashy slut, will immediately construct an intricate conspiracy theory between his ears. ‘Yes,’ the dumbass tells himself, ‘all the women I have ever known were and are trashy skanks, but that’s just because western society has brainwashed all the women in my own vicinity with its toxic headpoison.”
I am actually pretty sure my mom is not a slut. (Though I have heard that Las Vegas is full of them.)
This mangina will be aided along in his misconception by other manginas and white knights, often falling in with a disgruntled lot on various loser’s hangouts, in real life or on the internet. Often these men get “yellow fever”, and fly off to some third world shitheap to marry (again) in an effort to find that one precious snowflake who is not a third rate whore among the billions and billions of cunts on planet earth who prove their utter worthlessness on a daily basis.
Oh dear. I think Boxer is about to add a heaping helping of racism on top of his misogyny sundae.
It is true that Asian bitches tend to be slimmer and more intelligent than those in the white and black camps, but that just means they are more cunning, and better able to exploit the chumps who delude themselves into thinking that marrying and serving an oriental master is somehow “better” than being the slave of a homegrown American cunt.
Huh. Honestly, that wasn’t quite as bad as I was expecting. Though after nearly two years of intense study of the manosphere, I have some pretty high standards for offensiveness.
For all their variety, bitches’ behavior is uniformly lousy, and in that regard, all women are indeed like that. Yes, all of them, all around the world. This is not a war, it is something more analogous to an organized deer hunt, and you are the prey. For god’s fuck’n sake, quit marrying these slits already.
And so we circle back around to “all women ARE like that.”
Still, I have to say I agree with Boxer’s final sentence. Dudes, if you believe any of this crap, please do not marry women. Or, really, have any contact with them whatsoever. Frankly, I’d suggest that you find yourself a nice uninhabited island – like, say, this one – and move there posthaste. You’ll be much happier, and so will the rest of us.
“Funny that, we always hear the womans tale of woe, while never hearing the mans side. [sic]”
May I add: Huh? We’re hearing the story as told by the person telling us the story. It happens to be the woman. If the man were telling us this story, we would be hearing the man’s side. What do you mean “always hear the womans [sic] tale”? Funny THAT.
Or are you confused about the meaning of the word “always”?
RE: indifferentsky
Repressed homosexual men have not fared well and act out in different ways. If society forces some attachment on to an asexual person, they can be repulsed, it’s not a wacky speculation. If they don’t know they are asexual, are conservative leaning and don’t know what they are feeling, AND are assholes, …
Look, I WAS a repressed gay/asexual man. Please stop digging your hole. The key there is ASSHOLE. I hated myself, I hurt myself, I was a big pain to be around while I was coming to grips with my (sometimes lack of) sexuality, but I still DID NOT take my difficulties out on people around me!
I don’t care if you don’t mean any harm. You’re pissing me off, and I know more about being gay, asexual, repressed, and male than you do. So knock it off.
Nope clearly her cultural trope about is more correct than your actual experience!
*it
As an asexual woman, just imagining the shit MRAs would say to me is fucking horrifying.
You sure you don’t have “us” mixed up with “you”?
I’ve seen this elsewhere, the MRA guys will go on and on about horrific experiences they’ve had or heard about with women, but let a woman claim, however mildly, to have had a contrary experience and the MRA chorus will shout in unison that her words should be absolutely discounted without independent proof. This may be one of the scariest aspects of mysogynist creepiness: the notion that only their perceptions of reality are valid. A weird, ones-sided consistency of a sort, but creepy nonetheless. I’m glad they don’t rule my world.
Criminy slavy, all those news stories you read about the d00dz killing their children, their ex, their family members, their coworkers. Its another one of those 97% men doing it does not equal 3% of women doing it, no matter how many times you bring up the 3% over and over again it will never equal out.
The courts have experience with men murdering their ex right in the courthouse, and a few judges and officers of the court as well. That is their experience.
Sorry, I was addressing new world order guy not slave master guy. I get confused when they all say the same projection stuff.
LBT: “I’ve been through trauma at the hands of men, and yet I somehow manage to avoid hating all men. Because I’ve met so many men of varying moralities and behaviors.”
NWOslave: “You post a steady stream of hatred towards men. How is that not hating men? You’re just so used to the casualness of your own hatred.”
English. Do you speak it, motherfucker?
I’m a little baffled by the discussion of asexuality and MGTOW here. It’s certianly possible that some MGTOWers are asexual and/or gay, and they use MGTOW-ism as a way to “explain” to themselves and others why they don’t want to have sex with women. Somehow to them, saying “I don’t want to have sex with women b/c they’re evil or dirty or they’ll take all my money is easier that “I don’t want to have sex with women because I’m asexual or gay.”
To say this isn’t to insult asexuals any more than saying most MGTOWers seem to be heterosexual is an insult to heterosexuals.
I do think they’re mostly heterosexual, b/c so many of them make clear (explicitly or implicitly) that they want to have sex with women; that’s why they spend so much time talking about how to get rid of their desires.
Also – blockquoting instructions, anyone? And will they work if you’re posting from an iPod? *sheepish*
Falconer, I lol’d at your pokemon style battle. But what would a wild mra look like?
Also, as a grey a, I’m not appreciative of mistakes in correlation about MRA behaviour. Some of the MGTOW crowd are quite open about their methods of repressing their own sexuality or need for close relationships and encourage others to use their methods. Which means that they aren’t asexual to start with. While I don’t generally hold with online diagnosises of individuals, there are psychology theories about ego defense which can provide some info about how someone is doing certain things, if not the specific why. And there are people who are just assholes.
Don;t know about the iPod, Idylle, but use the less than/greater than symbols around the word blockquote, add your text then the symbols again with /blockquote between them.
I’ve typed out about three posts now attempting to explain why this particular suggestion of MRAs being asexual/gay is so fucking offensive, but I’ve deleted them all because I can’t seem to write it out in a way that makes sense. Suffice it to say, the suggestion that some asexuals/gays/what have you are projecting a hatred of women to cover up their sexuality isn’t necessarily offensive in and of itself. The way it was brought up here, however, I find extremely offensive.
If I had to guess as to why MRAs and MGTOWs are the way they are, I’d say they are enraged by the human condition (basically that you don’t always get what you want and what you do have eventually falls apart) and for whatever reason take this anger out on women. Maybe because for most people their earliest experiences of caretaking are at the hands of women, maybe because men are explicitly and implicitly taught that the women in their lives are supposed to fulfill their needs. Maybe because, I don’t know, they’re really unhappy trying to conform to conventional masculinity and they think women have it easier because we get to wear cute outfits and are allowed to cry.
Or maybe they’re just jerks!
Thank you David, and I have my own theory about what might be happening here. I often see MGTOWers insult women for their looks, rubbing it in that the passage of time depreciates our youthful charms. The notion that they often try to convey is, ‘you women lose your value, but we men keep ours.’ But what I rarely see them do more than dance around is the issue that in the olden days, men were valued primarily as providers. Economic upheavals of our recent decades have undermined the ability of a man to assume the traditional provider role, no matter how much he might wish to (if he does – most of the successful marriages I know are egalitarian even if the women doesn’t have an outside job – both parties bring something to the table economically, not just in the looks department.) Not that traditional marriages were always cut and dried. With my great grandparents, European immigrants, it was quite common for the man to hand over his paycheck for the woman to run the household. My point is, the power of the paycheck is under seige, undermining the household power equation that many of us remember. Many men are navigating this upheaval with patience and decency, and I envy the women in their lives (who have not discovered the elixir of youth, btw). But some are having trouble and some are not taking it well. The MRA guys seem to cling to the notion of male superiority just because, and everything the other team does is discounted just because. (as on “menarebetterthanwomen”). To me, this oversimplifies a complex situation, and appeals to their gut emotions, without doing justice to the complexity of our times. The provider role brought with it almost godlike power back in the day (see the Roman Paterfamilias concept). But things have changed.
Women are icky. Did you know they bleed out of their vaginas? Gross. Also vaginas smell like fish. I don’t know from experience, but someone on Reddit said so and then that comment got upvoted, so it must be true.
Yaaaaaaay.
But you never hear people speculating they might be secretly repressed heterosexuals. I usually hear people say they are dicks who just happen to be heterosexual not that because they are repressed heterosexuals they lash out. Maybe the comment would be more innocent if lgtb people weren’t used constantly as a reason for why x person is bad.
Their motivations seems like to me they are just frustrated they can’t control and own women rather than an excuse to why they can’t be with them. It’s not appropriated to call most mgtow asexuals who just can’t cope with being asexuals. It’s incredible irrational because most people don’t cope by lashing out and hating an entire group of people and most asexuals don’t either.
Idylle, you’re welcome.
Kristinmh, hi! How’s the tiny one?
But how do the Rand Corporation, the saucer people, and the reverse vampires fit into this?
I know I am having a hard time putting to words exactly what is problematic with it. I think there is a way to phrase that sometimes people try to hide their sexuality through hateful ways (I have seen this happening) but I do think her post was offensive in the way she put it. I think that yes it can happen but it happens way less than society thinks. There seems to be this trope that if you are heavily anti gay or you heavily hate woman you are gay yourself. I guess because the media loves to use this trope its gets in people’s minds that its so common when its not really. (I mean maybe I am wrong but from my own experiences and hearing other queer people’s experiences when they were in denial it doesn’t appear to be common)