New Reddit theory: Girls develop early in order to entrap guys and send them to prison
So someone on Reddit posted a video showing time-lapse video of a girl from infanthood to 12 years old. Naturally, Redditors responded with creepy pedophilia jokes, and one Redditor (speaking for many, judging by the numerous upvotes) took the opportunity to complain about just how hard it is for dudes to not have sex with underage girls. Apparently these girls deliberately develop earlier than boys as part of an elaborate plot to entrap guys and send them to jail.
Thanks to ShitRedditSays for pointing me to this latest bit of egregious Redditry.
Posted on April 23, 2012, in creepy, dozens of upvotes, men who should not ever be with women ever, misogyny, oppressed men, pedophiles oh sorry ephebophiles, reddit. Bookmark the permalink. 693 Comments.
That’s it. At 10 years old, little girls are plotting and skeeving to have some poor sucker put in jail. I didn’t play outside with other children or focus on doing well in school. All my time and attention was focused sorely on growing breasts so I could have someone arrested. Shit, these guys are on to us!
Geeze, that’s an inventive way of letting pedophiles off the hook.
That’s likely what I’d here from all the middle-aged men who used to try to proposition my 11-year-old cousin at the mall. She looked about thirteen.
Or if you squint really hard, maybe an extremely underdeveloped 18-year-old. How is a guy supposed to know?? /sarcasm
I’ll surely be anticipating the MRA’s next *scientific* find on how remarkable the gravitational pull around their penises is.
Seriously? From a person who had the displeasure to “blossom early,” these were exactly the kind of peons I had to thoroughly convince, do you really have to stoop so low to bed a 14-year-old?
Hey, r/MRs. Maybe Nature’s “trolling” you is her way of saying CUT THE EVO PSYCH BS OUT.
I am honestly baffled by the suggestion that you can’t tell a 14 year old from a 20 year old like 99.9% of the time.
If a woman is in the forest and does something that isn’t all about men (and in particular, all about a particularly predatory version of straight male sexuality), does it make a sound?
You know, this site and SRS really just like to latch on everything that isn’t ramrod ass PC.
Are we not allowed to make jokes? I seriously doubt anyone in that thread is an ephebophile. The guy in the comment simply stated a fact- girls mature faster than boys, and that’s led to problems for older men if they have sex with them by accident. I’m not saying it happens all the time… but it happens. I’ve seen 9 year olds with like C cup boobs, and obviously it’s easy to tell at that age, but what about when she’s like 15 or 16 and her face has matured?
It’s a problem, and it’s no one’s fault, but it’s a real problem.
It’s wasted effort to even suppose this: But I’m betting it just never occurs to them to, you know, ask the age of the girl in question and then proceed to NOT sleep with her if she’s under the age of consent? No? I didn’t think so.
But then, it’s also creepy that they’d have to ask. People over the age of consent *typically* have grown-up, obvious things. Like driver’s licenses, debit cards, maybe even cars of their own, college course loads, sometimes full time jobs (which people under 17 in most places are legally barred from having- or were where I grew up), apartments, and so on. You know, things that signal financial independence/higher education which must terrify these guys.
I mean, if I’m off base here, tell me. I’m also not trying to disparage people who don’t own cars, are unemployed, or any other range of circumstances. Marks of adulthood are just very economically-oriented here.
The grammar in that post makes me kinda think it’s a troll, but the upvotes means people didn’t realize it was…
At what point does a troll stop being a troll and start being what ze tries to mock? (BTW is it spelled xe or ze? I’ve seen both, and would appreciate clarification)
Thinking about my post, i’d like to amend this to it: I also don’t want to be ablist- I know some disabled people wouldn’t have those things either, But I also know that to the MRA’s, these people would be invisible. I really am sorry if I come off that way adult people who are not able-bodied or no less adult if they don’t have the things I mentioned, it was narrow-minded of me.
This is just a pathetic attempt to justify perverted behavior.
FoSF – I always wonder where these guys are meeting all these fourteen-year-old girls in disguise. I don’t have any high-schoolers in my social circle and I don’t run into a lot at the bar, you know?
I suppose a fourteen-year-old COULD have a fake ID, and parents who give them money to go out and don’t care when they come home, and a social circle composed of college-age people, and the ability to speak like they’re college-aged, and lie about their age… But now we’re stacking up a whole lot of unlikely factors (none of which justify statutory rape anyway!) to ignore the more likely possibility that these guys are perving on OBVIOUS little girls out with their families or coming home from school.
@Cliff Pervocracy – Again, I’m not saying this kind of thing happens all the time. But there exist mature-looking young teenagers- that is, physically mature, not emotionally. They’ll go out to a bar (where, of course, the mangina bouncers will let ‘em in), and later regret their decision.
I say, the solution is to kidnapp Jim Parsons or Alyson Hannigan and make them give their elixir of youth so we can make all girls, teen and kids, looks like they’re 7 until they’re 18.
I see no flaw in this plan. None.
Pervocracy- Exactly. I’ll be 25 next month, and at 14? I looked/acted/sounded/was NOTHING like I am/do now. Not even me of you know, 3,4, 5 years ago whatever was like 14 year old me. Neither were any of the 14 year olds I knew. I started working more than 10 hours a week at 18, lived in dormitories and then apartments, had a vehicle and full time college classes, and then when I didn’t have classes, i worked full time or close to it. I had my own money, and frequently had to break fun plans to continue earning it. I would see people I knew at work and at class. It’s just so glaringly obvious to my eyes, the differences that would HAVE to crop up between “14-year-old-pretending-to-be-20-something” and “actual-average-20-something”. It boggles my mind how (supposing they’re being honest here), these guys could make that “mistake”.
Like I said- it’s wasted effort to even make up hypotheticals or deconstruct any of these guys boosh, because these jerks aren’t being hoodwinked, fooled, or having the wool pulled over their eyes in any other way, they just wish they were or want people to think that so that they can get away with their creepy creepy gross problem.
But reddit is A W E S O M E, mags told us so.
So let me get this straight – this screechbox is insinuating that girls only develop secondary sex characteristics before the age of consent solely to send men to jail? I was unaware that girls had control over how their bodies develop. I sure as hell didn’t. I would have loved that. I hated my breasts, my menstrual cycle, and my hips and I would have delayed their development as long as I could. I wonder why. Perhaps it’s because of society’s fucked up attitude towards women and misogyny that increases exponentially as soon as you begin looking like a woman? Nah, couldn’t be that! [/sarcasm]
Seriously, is everything everywhere all about their pensis and privilege? Don’t answer that. I already know.
Grinner: As I told Ruby, the internet is a low-bandwidth medium. People only get to see the sides of yourself you choose to share.
Which means that if you present yourself as a troll… you are a troll.
See, it’s all part of human evolution, girls develop early so that all the undesirable beta males will get locked up in jail leaving only desirable alphas in the breeding pool. SCIENCE.
A gem from lower in the thread:
Because 18 : 22 :: 14 : 18, amiright guys? It’s MATH.
It’s totally like this one time I met a forty-five-year-old who looked sixty, so clearly anyone could mistake a five-year-old for twenty.
Hm, I’d heard it was hormones in milk that’s making girls develop earlier. WAIT A MINUTE, the DAIRY INDUSTRY is trying to send this nation’s fine young men to jail? Where’s NWOslave???? He’s got a lot to answer for!
re “fooling”. Context matters. So does the experience of the observer.
When I was about 19, I saw a very attractive young woman I thought was about 16. It was at workshops for the faire. She was with people who were in their latter teens. She was being an active, and interested, and contributing, member of the workshops we were sharig.
She was getting a lot of attention, and she enjoyed it. At 19, I didn’t think 16 was completely out of bounds (it was a long time ago, and I recall being 16). So sometime in the next couple of weeks one of us found out she was a bit shy of 14.
The first thing he did was tell all the other guys who were seeming to show an interest. We didn’t blame her. We didn’t do anything to make her change the way she was acting. We did look to see that other men, didn’t get to take advantage of her. So too did the group she was working with.
Why? Because at 14 she didn’t have the experience to know that people might be taking advnatage of her,and the Faire, for all it’s virtues, is a very sexual place to be a performer, and she could have made choices that left her more vulnerable than she was in her everyday life.
But never did we think she was, “out to put men in jail”. She didn’t. I am pretty sure that when she decided to have sex, she did. It was probably before she was 18. She grew up to be a sensible person, has a couple of kids, and seems none the worse for any of it.
Did I feel protective of her? Yes. Was I attracted to her? A bit. Did I wan’t to have sex with her when I found out she was 13? No. When she, later, made a pass at me, I told her to wait. If was still interested in a few years, we could talk about it then.
Because you don’t take advantage of children.
Posts like that make me want to kill all men within a five mile radius of my daughters. I know that most men are not like that, and that the ones who post that horrible crap and who upvote it are a minority, but geez.
Wow… seem as though a lot of people in this thread are simply loathe to face biological reality.
I’m not saying it’s a good thing to have relations with underage people. I’m saying it’s difficult to tell. This is why we need a marker, or something.
This is reminding me of the victim blaming of the 11 year old girl who was gang raped in Texas for “dressing older than her age” and hanging out with teenage boys, some of whom raped her (some of the rapists were adult males. Link comes with a fairly obvious trigger warning: http://hayladies.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/victim-blaming-in-the-new-york-times-cleveland-gang-rape-article/ ). There are plenty of situations where children and young teens may come into contact with older teens and adults who aren’t safe to be around, much as we’d like to believe otherwise.
I think people get confused when they think certain physical attributes equal maturity. I was mistaken for being in my mid twenties from the ages of 14-16, not because I had adult features, but because I had pretty thick facial hair, which was very rare in Africa. When I moved out to Canada OTOH, people were quick to age me much closer to my actual age, although still a couple of years older than I was.
Drst – I’m not trying to victim-blame kids for hanging out with adults, more blame adults for hanging out with kids and pretending they didn’t know.
How is that even a joke? Is statutory rape a lovable foible in these dude’s minds?
No. That’s bullshit. A 13 year old girl does not look like a 20 year old woman. Anyone who claims they do has an agenda.
is there anything…ANYTHING women and girls do that isn’t intended to destroy men? anything at all? how about taking a shit? is that a conspiracy plot to throw men in prison too?
how do these people even exist? is there any self awareness, any logic, any sense of reality…anything other than blind hatred going on in their heads when they type such stupidity?
I used to have a female friend that looked more than her age: at 16 you could have easily believe she was 18. She was also a very pretty tall and very pretty teenager. But to my knowledge, she didn’t lie about her age, and who have sex around that age without even asking for an age?
If you don’t care about morality, please at least care for the legality.
I had some well-developed secondary sex characteristics as a young teen. My bra size hasn’t changed since I was 12. I started buying pants to accommodate the widening of my hips when I was 14 or so, and I still wear some of my jeans from high school today. (I really need to buy some modern jeans — why are they so damned expensive?) Sure, my body has changed since then; my curves have softened, flowing into one another in a gentler way. I have a roundness to my stomach that didn’t exist in my teens. But my overall body shape looks much the same.
But you know what? If you’d had a conversation with me, you would never, ever have thought I was an adult. I was a young girl, with a young girl’s interests. I had a young girl’s mannerisms and speech patterns. If you wanted to meet me down at the mall, I would have to check with my mom to see if it was okay, and to beg her for a ride. Even if we didn’t talk, it was obvious from where I was, who I was with, how I carried myself.
And I do not believe, not for a single second, that the grown men who were creeping on me at that age thought I was an adult. It didn’t escape my notice that the same men who were leering at me would, if they spoke to me at all, speak to me like I was too young to understand conversation on their level. They would try to use manipulative tactics to get me close to them that absolutely would not work on a woman in her 20s; tactics that tried to appeal to my ignorance, my deference to adult authority, my desire to seem grown-up and worldly. Perhaps they might have tried to justify what they were doing to other people by saying that I looked older, but they weren’t fooled. They knew I was still a child, and they liked it, because it made me an easier target.
I get mistaken as underage sometimes, luckily no one has creeped on me due to it nor did they when I was actually underage. At most it was the usual honking from cars and stuff like that.
it doesn’t really bug me if an adult sees a physically adult developed 16 or 17 year old as attractive, but if they try to cross the line and have sex with them, yes that is fucked up and illegal. Is 18 really that old for some guys? that is creepy.
If a woman is in the forest and does something that isn’t all about men (and in particular, all about a particularly predatory version of straight male sexuality), does it make a sound?
Nope. Everything women do, including automatic bodily functions, is entirely about men.
Speaking on behalf of baby-faced people everywhere (I spent the entirety of my early-to-mid-20s being mistaken for a teenager), I am TOTALLY okay with all adults following a policy of not fucking anyone unless they are really damn sure that person is an adult. I am pretty sure most other baby-faced people would back me up on the fact that asking us to prove our age in some way is vastly superior to raping kids. If we want to have sex with you, we will totally deal with the mild annoyance of showing you an ID or something.
Given that fact, even if we accept that you could genuinely mistake many young girls for adults (which, honestly, I don’t – there are a very, very few who might fool you at a glance, but the overwhelming majority of teenagers look and act like teenagers), there is no damn reason you would somehow be “entrapped” by kids, because you can ask them to prove that they are adults. It is not that hard! Actual adults will almost certainly be able to offer SOME evidence of their adulthood.
You know a story I’d like to hear from these guys sometime?
“I was going to sleep with this girl, but I wasn’t really convinced she was 18, so I didn’t go for it. Can’t take that kind of risk!”
(I’d also love to hear “I was going to sleep with her, but I wasn’t totally sure she was consenting, and shit, I don’t want to go to jail!” and ditto “but I wasn’t totally sure she was sober.”)
You can just not sleep with someone, y’know.
@quackers, polliwog
as dead on as your comments are, you’re forgetting the part where these guys have absolutely no clue what consent is
@Polliwog
And here is where the crowd will come in and tell you that they know someone who was of legal age, was asked for ID once, and got offended and didn’t have sex with the person who asked. It’s the same argument we hear all the time from people who don’t bother to get explicit consent. “If I ask if they want me to have sex with them, they might decide they don’t! And then I won’t get to have sex!”
The number of people who would rather take their chances that they’re raping someone (whether it’s an adult who is capable of consent, but hasn’t given it; or an adolescent who is too young to consent to sex with an adult) than risk not having an orgasm is astounding. Fucking sickening, and astounding.
Oh, I know. I just keep hoping maybe one of these days a few of them will accept the revolutionary idea that the risk of not-getting-laid-right-this-second is more acceptable than the risk of raping someone. Hope springs eternal… :(
I confess: I developed early so that I could put some guy in jail. I willed my body to change so as to ensnare some poor thirty-year-old shmuck would have no choice but to jump me. But that was just a warm-up. At the age of 12, as part of my fiendish plan to send a man to jail, I had the temerity to enter the lobby of my own apartment building wearing nothing but an ankle-length skirt with winter boots, an oversized sweater and a heavy overcoat. I was practically naked! And what was I doing in my own apartment in the middle of the day anyway, might you ask? Know this, men, any adolescent girl who enters the lobby of an apartment building where she resides is up to no good. Whereupon a man who was not a resident and just kind of innocently loitering there and thinking about world events had no choice but to grab me, pin me down under the staircase and grope me while calling me a “moron” and threatening to cut me. Now that was one hell of an evil plot on my part! Don’t you think?
OT but this is interesting
http://www.livescience.com/16585-psychopaths-speech-language.html
hmm…which movement often harps on about hard-wired basic needs to spread their seed? which movement compares sexual relationships with economic theories? which movement says feminism causes men to snap? which movement sees women as nothing but objects to fuck or wives to make house slaves?
@Sharculese
yeah that’s true…and disturbing as hell
I would hesitate to try to associate the MRM with psychopathy. I think it’s extremely unlikely that every single man in the MRM is a psychopath, for one thing; and for another, when we see despicable or dangerous behaviour and try to pathologize it, we end up demonizing the mentally ill.
true…I definitely don’t think they’re all psychopaths but some of them seem to fit the criteria based on their writings. I wasn’t being really serious with my post, its just that they fit those traits mentioned in the study.
A lot of MRAs seem very emotional and very concerned with their social status, which doesn’t strike me as psychopathic at all.
Viscaria, I was going to post my experience as an earlier developer, you beat me to it. And yes, I had the same measurements at twelve as I do now. And even when men KNEW I was just a little girl it was incentive for them to grope fondle and grab me. They thought it was very amusing to do this no matter where I was, even in front of my mother, who they thought was just my big sister. Youthful looks run in my family. Mom of course tore a strip off their backs, asked me how often this sort of thing had been going on and then taught me how to deal with it in memorable ways.
The sad thing is, my daughter is also going to be an early bloom, she’s nine and I can already see the changes. Now I think I understand why I wasn’t allowed to play outside like my other friends did when I was that age. My daughter is excited about the changes her body has begun, because like all children she’s eager to grow and become an adult. There’s only the barest hint of her having any awareness about human sexuality, and that’s because I’ve started talking more openly about it. She’s still in the “boys have cooties” stage and has zero desire to go further than that.
I’d like to thank all the perverted asshats out there who insist on stripping children of their freedom, innocence, positive body image and sense of personal safety/trust. Especially all the men who became fathers of daughters and only then grasp just how much damage they did with a swift kick to the ass. Thank you for making my introduction to womanhood so humilliating with your jokes about free samples.
Pull this shit with my daughter and I will make you wish you were never born.
@Quacker, yeah, I figured you were saying it largely in jest :). I just get leery of Internet diagnoses, since they’re a) usually wrong and b) a way of associating poor behaviour with having a mental disorder. Psychopathy’s used for this a lot, since a lot of people think “psychopath” is a synonym for “bad person who is bad because they’re crazy.”
Amused, that’s horrible. Did he at least get arrested?
Whoops, how long did I let this thread sit here?
Pillowinhell, just wanted to say, your experience sounds dreadful too, and good on your mother for tearing strips off hides and on you for teaching your daughter.
Huh. I was taught in school to report someone if they touched me inappropriately.
Amused, that is a really shitty experience, I wish you hadn’t had to go through that…
Falcon, my experiences are fairly common amongst young girls. I went through a lot of shit when I was just starting out in coffee shops. There were older men there who did stand up for me and let it be quietly known that if anything worse happened than “joking” they’d deal with it. And those guys were part of the Hells Angels, not the kind of group you want to mess with.
Yeah, my moms awesome that way. Taught me how to deal with men so that they’d either find themselves too humiliated to continue, or unable to complain about the coffee spilled in their laps. My moms practicle, she knew there would be days when I’d be cornered by someone really unpleasant. Where she couldn’t shelter me she taught me how to deal. My dad would have locked me away if he could. I can’t count the number of times he would be waiting for me in the car late at night because I was working til two in the morning.
I wish my mother was like that. Rather than teaching me how to be safe she basically forbade me from doing anything fun. I had a rather uneventful childhood to say the least =P
This is so absurd.
Now, I once had a brief sexual affair with a sixteen-year-old when I was a twenty-year-old university student (which is legal here, btw). She’d gleefully lie to my acquantances about her age, tell everyone she was eighteen and did her last year in gymnasium when in fact she was at her last year in basic school (in Sweden, we have nine years of Basic School, then three years of gymnasium, then university or college). She was completely convincing, she’d get into parties where alcohol were served and didn’t have to show an ID to anybody. But, well, I knew the truth (only I was so embarressed over my own creepiness that it took quite some time before I came clean to my friends and said, when they mentioned something about this incredibly pretty, funny and clever girl I used to date, that she was actually still in basic school).
I think she just wanted to have a fun, urban lesbian adventure and play at being older than she actually was. She initiated the whole thing, and I found out later that she’d had a same-age boyfriend in the small town where she lived, only she didn’t tell me. So, seemed like it was just some adventure on her part.
You can imagine a situation where I somehow didn’t learn her real age until we’d already slept with each other. And you can imagine that we lived in some state in the USA where the age of consent is eighteen rather than fifteen. In that case, she would have tricked me into doing something legal. It’s not inconcievable. The really absurd claims are that
a) you couldn’t tell a thirteen-year-old from a twenty-year-old – that’s pretty different from not being able to tell a sixteen-year-old from an eighteen-year-old
and
b) that girls would purposely try to put men in jail. It’s one thing to lie about one’s age in order to have a fun little adventure, another thing entirely to go out of one’s way to become a legal rape victim and have people put into prison.
No, but my grandmother dumped a kettle-full of boiling hot water on him after I was able to get away from him and he attempted to chase me up the stairs. A feminist plot!!
My brother and I got a pretty mixed upbringing. She tended to err on the side of teaching opposite gender roles, because she wanted a daughter tough enough to survive in a mans world and a son …how to put this…I guess understanding and gentle enough for women to feel safe with. It worked well since our temperments pretty much fall in line with the opposing gender stereotypes. Not saying that. My bro isn’t manly, he’s been a firefighter and in the rerserves. He just has a balance of masculinity and feels no need to prove himself.
Me, I ended up with a fairly “manly” way of looking at life and dealing with situations. Or so I’m told by folks who prefer the old gender roles.
Way to go Grandma!!!woohoo!
And yes that’s me cheering that a pervert possibly got injured. I make zero apologies about that. I really can’t say how many adults and children (yes boys and men too) can defend themselves, but maybe if that were a bigger risk perverts wouldn’t be so quick to try this shit.
Polliwog: Oh, I know. I just keep hoping maybe one of these days a few of them will accept the revolutionary idea that the risk of not-getting-laid-right-this-second is more acceptable than the risk of raping someone. Hope springs eternal…
But it’s TOTES! not rape. She wanted it. If she can “ask” for it, then consent is just a legal fiction that keeps her from getting what she wants, and punishes men for responding to their “natural” urges.
I think I’ve spent too much time dealing with people who lie to themselves. I can do that far too easily for my comfort. I think I’ll go be a Roman and kill some “barbarians”. I’ll feel less soiled.
Pecunium, it happens. My solution would be planting some new seedlings. At least that way the soil touching me is honest.
I started being mistaken for a 20something at 11 or 12. By 13, I was 5’10” and pretty much fully developed. I talked like a college student too. It is possible to mistake a young teen for an adult, it’s just anomalous. These guys are skeezeballs anyway, because they don’t see why it isn’t ok to sleep with a physically developed 13 year old.
I’m still struggling over the idea that anyone could control their growth and physical development, especially at an age where hormones might (depending on individual development and age) be driving your brain into places you’ve never considered.
If I, as a 21 year old college student, have trouble convincing myself to work out and get back into shape, how can a young person decide to make their body act in a certain way to hurt people ze’s never met?
Also, if women can control their development, wouldn’t that have been noticed and recorded by people long before reddit?
Viscaria: But you know what? If you’d had a conversation with me, you would never, ever have thought I was an adult. I was a young girl, with a young girl’s interests. I had a young girl’s mannerisms and speech patterns.
This. “Janeen” (name has been changed) the young woman I was talking about, only seemed 16 because she was in an atypical environment; which was the main reason those of us who realised she looked older than she was were so protective.
Some of the usual indica were missing. She was wearing non-modern clothing, and using a non-modern style of speech, on non-modern topics.
That was a recipe for potential disaster, when coupled with the naïvte of youth.
1. I can understand how you might have trouble telling the difference between a 16-year-old and 17-year-old, which might be of issue if you’re the sort of creepy guy who’s intent on sleeping with a girl the second she reaches the age of consent. Of course, you could ask, but we know them girls will just lie.
And none of that will change the fact that if you’re over 21, you really shouldn’t be making the sexy with someone under 18, and if you’re over 25, you really shouldn’t be dating anyone under 20. If you are, you’re skeevy, whatever the law says.
(As for not being able to tell a 13-year-old from a 25-year-old? Please.)
2. Stephen Colbert said it last week: our children need to refuse to go through puberty until they get married. Puberty is a choice. If they’re to irresponsible to make that choice, we’ll just have to spay and neuter our children.
Dude, Hercule Poirot could tell from her knees. HER KNEES. I understand you’re not a genius, but it cannot be that hard. (I’m on a bit of an Agatha Christie kick lately, and I just finished Cat Among the Pigeons, which is why it’s on my mind.)
(Also, long time reader, first time commenter. Hello everyone! *waves*)
Holy shit motherfucker! I’ve had to “deal with biological reality” from early on. This isn’t an unusual problem insofar as there are men who want to fuck little girls! Its fucking everywhere! No sooner does a girl sprout I tiny amount of breasts, men will look, asses her, grope her and sometimes corner her. Oh but she looks…is just a halfassed nonpology. And that kind of treatment has a very real effect on the many girls who experience it. Its not funny, its not something all these “jokers” want happening to their daughters. This isn’t about being PC, this is about having the basic decency to let children be children and finding someone who is sexually mature to fuck.
Jayem: Welcome. Do you like limericks?
Jeff Fecke: I don’t think the issue of age is as cut and dried as, “Over 25 anyone under 20 is a sign of ill-intent”. As was said, at length, when Brandon was accusing us of having an irrational hatred of older/younger relationships, large gaps are suspect, but not intrinsically wrong.
I hit puberty early and it was horrible! It’s not that I had problems with adults bothering me, it was a 12 year old boy in my class. I was 11 at the time. At first he thought I was stuffing my bra so he called me, “stuffy.” Then he looked down my shirt and discovered that the nickname was unwarranted. He groped me serveral times that year, and made life miserable. I was too embarrassed to tell an adult about it, was afraid I’d be accused of encouraging the behavior. This was over 30 years ago, and I’m sure worse things happen in schools nowadays.
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I feel sorry for all the young adolescent girls throughout history who were forced into early marriage and childbirth before their bodies were finished growing. I’m sure many died as a result.
Cliff – sorry, I worded that badly! I didn’t mean your comment reminded me of that, I meant the OP’s comment did.
Are we not allowed to make criticism of jokes? I swear, you PI (yeah, it’s an acronym now, maybe that’ll help with trivializing it) types are so sensitive.
And you know, adults who fuck teenagers exist. In the real world. And hence on the Internet.
And they hear people joking about fucking teenagers and they get to think “oh, thank God, it’s not just me, this attraction I have is totally normal and healthy.
It’s the fault of people who don’t bother to find out the age of an obviously young-looking partner.
I mean, no one’s going to be under the age of consent and look thirty, right? So if someone looks like they’re 18 or 19, the onus is on the older partner to find out their age before having sex. Some kids do lie about their age, but I don’t think there are a whole lot that are super convincing.
I think the real problem here is adults thinking “well, if she turns out to be 14, worst that happens is I screw up her life” when maybe they should be thinking “holy shit, if she turns out to be 14 it’ll screw up my life, I better make sure of this!”