Taking pussy off the pedestal

No more special treatment for you, princess!!

Female kitties! Your long reign of gynofelininofascist matrioterror has ended! Over on A Voice for Male Cats Men, JinnBottle has figured out a purr-fect way to put lady cats in their place! (Hint: That place is not on his lap, being gently stroked.) Oh, and this goes for all you human ladies too, or else — POW!

Are you?

(Thanks to Cloudiah for pointing me to this comment.)

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Posted on April 1, 2012, in a voice for men, creepy, evil women, gloating, I am making a joke, I'm totally being sarcastic, kitties, misogyny, MRA, threats, violence. Bookmark the permalink. 210 Comments.

  1. Irrelevant but very important (to ME!) question to katz:
    How do you pronounce the word “whinge?” I have always wondered. I mispronounce words constantly — it’s my superpower! That, and making streetlights go out when I walk under them.

  2. @Dave: that woman incels are extended the same compassion that men are. I

    So, when a woman talks about how horrible and awful and terrible the men around her are, how they won’t talk to her, or date her, or sleep with her, all the men or some of the men or a few of the men join in with total support and condemnation of men?

    RLLY?

  3. And now that I think about it: are there gay men and lesbians at love-shy talking about how horribly hard it is for THEM to get dates, etc. After all, it’s not as if awkwardness, shyness, fatness, nerdness, all those things are limited to heterosexuals. *remembering several nights spent at lesbian bar yearning yearning yearning about gorgeous woman, short dark hair, very butch, great tattoos, too shy to talk*

  4. Honestly, I have no idea if “whinge” is an actual word. You could probably put any word in the right context and make it mean “complain.”

    “Stop caterpillaring all the time! Your life isn’t that bad!”

    “You’re just stoobling because you’re a sore loser.”

  5. http://www.love-shy.com/faq#friendzone

    and this definitely implies the default love shy dude is male!

    I gave up on the forums after a post on the fat bird jokes……although to be fair, i generally loathe that forum format.

  6. @katz, it is, it IS a word, and here is what it sounds like:
    http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/audio/lunaWAV/NEW/NEW16140.wav

  7. @Katz: i thought “whinge” was the British version of American “whine”..goes to google.

  8. Yup! I think it is: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whinge

    My partner’s parents were British immigrants after WWII, and she tends to use it along with some other Britishisms on a common basis.

  9. CassandraSays

    So they estimate that 40% of “love-shy” people have Asperger’s, and Aspies tend to be above average in intelligence, and from this they’ve concluded that “most” people on their forums are of above average and intelligence?

    Special snowflakes unite (and fail at math).

  10. CassandraSays

    That last comment would read so much better if I could type properly. “Above average intelligence”, dammit, not “above average and intelligence”.

  11. Here is the magical key to unlock the vagina: $200 for 15 minutes at a brothel in Nevada source

    You are welcomed.

  12. @CassandraSays: Plus, they assume that Asperger’s equal male, and not that the conditions/spectrum may differ somewhat in women (for various reasons).

    I gather it’s fairly complex–I’m still trying to find time to go get tested because when the Newsweek special on the syndrome came out, my mother sent to me with big red letters saying OMG YOUR CHILDHOOD NOW MAKES SENSE. And my partner agreed. And I realized there may be a reason why I always got mad when my colleagues claimed with big declamatory gestures they could never teach online because they could not see students’ faces which always TELL them if students have learned X. I never could, or can, tell from students’ faces. I need to see their work. (And I love teaching online).

  13. @Princessbonbon: Damn, you know how many books $200 could buy!

    Even at today’s prices!

  14. From the love-shy FAQs:

    As far as homosexuality is concerned, many love-shys are accused of being homosexual and made fun of, so it’s kind of a sore issue. Most love-shys support things like gay marriage but the tone of the forum is decidedly hetero. So be prepared.

    Sounds like a welcoming community indeed.

  15. @Princessbonbon: Damn, you know how many books $200 could buy!

    From my last book buying trip:

    The Northern Rebellion of 1569: Faith, Politics and Protest in Elizabethan England

    Queen Elizabeth I: Selected Works

    Eighteenth-Century British Premiers: Walpole to the Younger Pitt

    Two Jim Butcher books, a Patrick Rothfuss, a Get Fuzzy Treasury, and um…I want to say four more but they are all at home.

    So 11?

  16. I also just bought Winter King: Henry VII and the Dawn of Tudor England

    Arguably the second best Tudor Monarch-Elizabeth I is the best because so much of history stems from her short 45 years on the English throne. Henry VIII is overrated and Mary I, well, I just feel sorry for Mary.

  17. @Princessbonbon: well, of course, it would vary depending on location (HALF PRICE BOOKS OMG), format (hard, soft, mass, e), but still–many books, much pleasure, vs. 15 minutes of sex?

    And you can re-read books! You can’t re-have sex!

    (There may be a reason or two why I became an English teacher–I mean getting paid to read and talk about books! JOY!).

  18. They’re not usually asexuals, because most love-shys are dying for relationships?

    Has anyone explained to them that loads and loads of asexuals WANT relationships?

  19. Winter King looks fascinating.

    And payday’s next Friday . . .

  20. elizabethtreehugger

    This is one of the funniest things I’ve read on here. Well, it is if I don’t think to hard about the sneaking suspicion I have about this guy hurting his cat. It in weird way though, it makes this funnier. Like this guy things he sounds so bad ass for hurting a cat.

    I have mixed feelings about this whole thing, but his insistence on this story’s relevance is hilarious. I get the feeling though he is probably forgetting all the crap Charles is probably pulling though.

  21. If you lived in my state I would lend it to you Hippodameia-I still am finishing up the premiers one and one on household servants in the 1700s.

    Actually I would lend anyone anything if they helped me organize and shelve my entire collection.

    @Princessbonbon: well, of course, it would vary depending on location (HALF PRICE BOOKS OMG), format (hard, soft, mass, e), but still–many books, much pleasure, vs. 15 minutes of sex?

    Well now for me it is a matter of “will this memory be worth it?” Which is why I travel a lot when I could just spend all of my money on books. Yes a person can spend $200 on books or they could spend it on a way to break the ice when it comes to the Mystery of Sex.

  22. Rutee, I have literally stated twice- and in the very post you responded to, at that- that woman incels are extended the same compassion that men are.

    Was it not clear that I didn’t believe you?

    I’m not trying to excuse any and all hatefulness.

    You’re doing a bang up job of it just the same.

    But I’m generally willing to err on the side of restraint

    …Not on the part of people who are saying stupid shit.

    Those FAQs are awful. And pushing “Friend Zone” crap is such bullshit.

  23. RE: lauralot

    Sssh! Don’t tell ‘em! If they know I’m a married semi-ace, they’ll be jealous!

    Also, I get really annoyed at how celibacy is apparently so warranted as to cause bitterness against a whole GENDER, but somehow, it never occurs to them to do what I did. I mean, after two rapey assholes, you’d think I’d be extremely leery of men. But I remembered that two assholes do not a gender make. AMAZING GUYS. And I posted very few screeds, and when I did, I got called out on them, as I should have!

    WHAT A CONCEPT.

  24. Creative Writing Student

    Ithaliania: (sp?)

    Plus, they assume that Asperger’s equal male, and not that the conditions/spectrum may differ somewhat in women (for various reasons).

    I gather it’s fairly complex–I’m still trying to find time to go get tested because when the Newsweek special on the syndrome came out, my mother sent to me with big red letters saying OMG YOUR CHILDHOOD NOW MAKES SENSE. And my partner agreed. And I realized there may be a reason why I always got mad when my colleagues claimed with big declamatory gestures they could never teach online because they could not see students’ faces which always TELL them if students have learned X. I never could, or can, tell from students’ faces. I need to see their work. (And I love teaching online).

    Aspie Gal here. It’s why it took 18 bloody years for me to get a diagnosis. That and the fact that I was quiet, shy, didn’t drink ink, or run around the classroom with an axe. And that my school selected for intelligence, so “of course we can’t have mental disabilities/differences here”…

    *offer of weighty blanket*

  25. @Creative Writing Student: Thanks for the info and support! I’m 56, so back in the day, nobody even knew about this (and I’d bet real money my brother has attention deficit disorder–he cannot sit still for more than 30 minutes). Just have to get time to track down colleague in Psychology or Counselling who has some of the tests and is authorized to give them….

  26. Creative Writing Student

    @Ithiliana

    Most of the research into Girls/Women with Asperger’s was being done in the 90s and early 2000s, but didn’t trickle down to schools until I was in Sixth Form (2008-2009). You’d have thought they’d have picked up something was wrong when a predicted-A student gets consistent C’s though… I am a bit Hermione Granger as well so you can imagine how that went down.

    I’m fortunate enough to live in an area with one of the few Adult Autism units in the country, and my old counsellor picked up on it. I get it from my Dad’s side of the family. Engineers, the lot of ‘em. :P

  27. Thank you Princess Bonbon! I’m an accountant, so I’d actually have fun organizing your collection. I used to re-do mine every so often because I’d think of a different way to arrange things. But I also think playing with spreadsheets is fun . . .

  28. *immediately races over to Hippodameia’s house and honks horn impatiently*

    We have over two thousand books to organize! (I buy A LOT of books.)

  29. I would be HORRIFIED to find out that someone I consider a friend thinks he’s in my “friend zone.”

  30. I think Richard III is one of the more underrated monarchs. For all that I love Eliz. I, I think we’d all be a lot happier if Bolingbroke had been the loser at Bosworth.

  31. i loooooooooooooove richard iii

    oh shit, wrong thread

  32. @princessbonbon Semi-serious question: Is there a library/information science program in your area? You might be able to get someone to organize those 2000 books for dirt cheap, if not free. I do it for a living so it’s the last thing I want to do when I get off work, sadly — all my books are in completely random order at home.

  33. Bolingbroke? He never fought anyone for the throne in 1399 and it was more or less a bloodless revolution as Richard II abdicated after he lost all noble support due to his actions of 1397-99 when taken into custody at Conway Castle.

  34. aesthetically, the best organizing principal for books is large stacks everywhere based on complex patterns that only you can discern. it’s the principal that’s driven the decor in my last several apartments

  35. Actually most of the books are in stacks and tubs I got when I moved. I tend to just do alphabetical order by type-fiction in this section here, nonfiction paperbacks here and then nonfiction hardbacks here.

    It is not truly that difficult, just really time consuming and tedious.

  36. My books are usually ordered by size, then I put the new ones on top. Then again I don’t have than many books, because for a long time I didn’t buy any, just add some for birthdays and borrowed a lot to the library, and sometimes to friends.

  37. Yeah, I had a brain cramp. I was speaking of Richard III, and I did mean the Battle of Bosworth (1485).

  38. I know I’m late to this thread, but I felt I just had to point this out:

    Dave: “It generally seems much easier for women to find sex/love/companionship than comparable men.”

    I’m not sure who’s crunching the numbers over at LoveShy, but I’m pretty sure that heterosexual women have sex/love/companionship with heterosexual men EXACTLY AS OFTEN as heterosexual men have sex/love/companionship with heterosexual women.

    Tautology shouldn’t be this difficult.

  39. Ugh: Almost! Poly people are there to ruin your math.

  40. I organize my books based on the excellent “pile them on my bed” principle.

    Ugh: Dave strikes me as one of the people who believes that only men cheat, so the hot dudes are hogging all the women via cheating on them, and nice guys like him can never get laid. Technically, if all of the hot men have two women, it’s quite easy to have a significant proportion of the male population unable to get laid/a partner.

  41. Unless all poly people are actually poly men whose girlfriends sleep with them, and them only, I can’t see it being skewed that much. I mean, men have exactly as many open relationships with women as women have with men.

    Unless LoveShy people live on a commune in which poly is only allowed for men but not for women, I don’t know how it happens that heterosexual women can have so much sex while heterosexual women have so little. If they are on scary commune, they probably have bigger problems than being celibate.

  42. But yeah, I guess when a bunch of guys believes that the entirety of a person’s personality can be reduced to one of three Greek letters, reality’s pretty much out the window already.

  43. It’s not exactly a reality-checked belief at alllllll. But “the alphas are hogging all the women and we get NONE of them” is fairly common, at least among PUA-types.

  44. It’s easy to think only 20% of men are getting laid if your belief system basically only considers as valid the existence of the top 20% attractiveness tier of women (by whatever arbitrary criteria you wan to rank them).

  45. Yeah, I had a brain cramp. I was speaking of Richard III, and I did mean the Battle of Bosworth (1485).

    I am not sure if I agree that Richard’s reign would have been better for England by the way.

  46. princessbonbon: I didn’t expect you to. :)

    It’s hard to get a good look at Richard III, in no small part because the Tudor’s needed to villify him. Looking at the ways in which Northumbria throve under his time as governor there, and the ways he was applying the same style of rule to England as a whole; and then looking at the much more restrictive policies of liberty and property that Henry (and his heirs) put into place, I think the populace would have done better.

    But we’ll never know.

  47. It could be or it could be that the economic strife was inevitable. I need to finish Inflation in Tudor and Early Stuart England so I can argue more definitely on that part. I know that the northern part of England did well under Richard when he was in charge of it. I do not know if the southern or western part would have done as well since the two other areas were so different than the southern parts. I do know that southern England was viewed very differently because it never had the border to contend with.

  48. Fuck all monarchy.

    That is all.

  49. The real issue (IMO) is that Richard was far more tolerant of individual rights, and less money-grubbing. The level of affection he had engendered in the North was a significant problem for Henry, well after his rule was secured. York defied him a couple of times, in terms of whom they elected to local offices.

    Assuming his hold on the throne was seen as legitimate (likely, given the desire to end the civil wars) it’s quite probable (IMO) that a greater social mobility would have been possible.

    Henry’s timing was fortunate, and Richard’s tendencies to trust in people bit him in the ass. If he’d been willing to keep the Stanley’s in check (by means of either hostage, or the expedient of not letting him leave; something Henry never showed any unwillingness to do), then the end of Bosworth comes to be very much in doubt. I don’t agree with the idea that his letting Henry extend into Nottingham was folly; it wasn’t so long as Stanley didn’t betray him. But that’s a question of strategy, not one of “what happens if the Plantagenet’s keep the crown.

  50. Even Elizabeth had troubles with the northern counties-the only actual rebellion that occurred during her reign originated in the north. So again, it does not follow that Richard could do a decent job of handling the rest of the country. Especially since they thought he usurped the throne from Edward V (granted it was for a sensible reason, the Woodvilles were horrible and there was not going to be much restraint on them if Edward stayed on the throne.)

    I also prefer the breaking of the nobles power that Henry did and unlike Richard, Henry could unite the two sides by marrying Elizabeth of York.

  51. But those are post hoc arguments. Elizabeth’s rebellion was an extention of the, “no prince but a Percy”, and the residual loyalty of the North to the Lancastrians.

    And Henry’s breaking of the nobles power came at the expense of individual liberties, and much more grasping taxation, which was something of a drag on the rise of a middle class.

    The polity was, all in all, satisfied with his presence; there was no flocking to Henry’s banner; even in his native Wales, which was something of a problem. That Stanley turned coat is what saved his usurpation.

    It’s complicated. All in all I think Henry was, at best, no better than Richard would have been.

  52. David K. Meller

    An adorable little pretty-kitty!

    No, I DON’T THINK that she should be euthanized, hanged, drowned, or otherwise killed! She should be loved, pampered, looked after, petted, and cuddled.

    Happy now?

    So much for all of the nonsense gibberish here on womenbeinghateful(a.k.a. manboobz.com) about my being cruel to kitties–or women!

  53. If one really wants to speculate-imagine if Arthur had not died.

  54. “hanged”? Who does that anyway? I concur with Myoo that’s way more specific than it needed to be.

  55. There are people who hang cats? Why?

    Oh, never mind, it’s just Meller’s creepy little fantasies seeping out all over the internet again.

  56. Meller: You told me to consider euthanize my kitten because she scratched me. You are a despicable asshat who laughs at the pain of cancer patients and can cordially FUCK RIGHT OFF. Hey, for your next act, maybe you can tell me to never see NephewB again because he likes me to chase him around, making my hip ache.

  57. That was the most out of the blue, O/T self defense I’ve ever seen. To crib from Rutee’s playbook:

  58. David K. Meller

    womenbeinghateful: see above!

    Notice that even when I went out of my way to show how much I appreciated little adorables,(see comment 142661 above) , manboobzettes still slandered and attacked me.

    How do you spell spiteful, mean, and vicious? F-E-M-I-N-I-S-T.

  59. @Meller
    a) I’m a guy (and I think Shadow is too, but I’m not sure) so, you know, you’re hated by women AND men, hooray for you;
    b) people hate you because you merit hate. You’re sexist, racist, homophobic, and you think that just because you don’t swear that you’re somehow a good person, but you’re not. You’re a horrible person who only cares about himself and would reduce half of the human species to sex slaves. So, if you’re OH SO SAD for being treated the way you are here, then either go away, or stop being such a horrible person.

  60. CassandraSays

    Thinking that kitties are cute doesn’t make you a nice person, Meller. You don’t get a pat on the head for not wanting to have this particular one euthanised.

    PS – The way you talk about pets is just as creepy as the way you talk about women. “Little adorables”? Ew.

  61. Tulgey Logger

    Yeah, there’s no spite or viciousness in wishing cancerous deaths upon other people at all. No, that David K Meller’s just a swell guy who likes kitties and doesn’t want women to give him a reason to hit them. He prefers the gentler training methods, softie that he is.

  62. Cry me a fuckin’ river, Meller, you repulsive sleazebag.

  63. FREE EVAN, Meller!

    Now fuck off and go play with your brainless, lifeless dolls, you disgusting piece of shit.

  64. @DKM:

    An adorable little pretty-kitty!

    No, I DON’T THINK that she should be euthanized, hanged, drowned, or otherwise killed! She should be loved, pampered, looked after, petted, and cuddled.

    Happy now?

    So much for all of the nonsense gibberish here on womenbeinghateful(a.k.a. manboobz.com) about my being cruel to kitties–or women!

    You don’t get it, do you, DKM? The only “nonsense gibberish” is your maunderings about how if kittens (or presumably any other pets) or WOMEN don’t behave, they should be punished–and men who kill women are driven to it.

    Your words. Live with them. Eat them and choke on your own bile:

    http://manboobz.com/2012/02/09/alcuin-and-out-or-the-kkk-with-tits/comment-page-8/#comment-123827
    Ithiliana–February 12, 2012 @2:31pm

    “graduate student “murdered” by ex-husband”

    Take post cited above. Could woman who talks like that (over the ‘net) have such an unpleasant, unfeminine, and just plain horrid personality that she could say something that MAY provoke an unpleasant response from a nearby man who may already be troubled about something else. Look at all of the cases you read about where a murder or vicious assault or rape was committed by a man whose entire life was coming apart, and the very person—his wife–whom he was relying upon to keep what was left of his sanity was turning on him…

    Did graduate student take her “how to handle men” or something like that from YOU?

    I was explaining that a man who loved his nearest and dearest would do anything to avoid the spousal abuse so often cited on feminuttery websites and blogs like this, because it wouldn’t get him what he wanted! I would rather be kind, gentle, and loving to a woman than beat,rape, or kill her, and so would most men, for obvious reasons!

    Gee, Ithiliana, for an intelligent woman, you sure have a lot of trouble understanding ordinary common sense, don’t you?

  65. Meller: You still don’t get it. I begin to think the training methods we are using are proving inadequate. We may have to resort to something more pugnacious than simple reason.

    Saying kittens are adorable doesn’t remove your statement that any kitten which bites, scratches, etc. ought to be disposed of.

    Saying you only meant to refer to “nasty feminists” when you said you laughed at cancer patients doesn’t mean you don’t laugh at cancer patients.

    Saying women who get killed asked for it, speaks for itself.

    You don’t get this sort of pushback elsewhere because you like to go to places which agree with you. That, or you are out in the wilds spouting Gold-standard nonsense to other precious metal co-religionists.

  66. David K. Meller

    CassandraSays–comment 143106″

    “Little adorables, eww”!

    They ARE littel adorables, CassandraSays! If you try to call pretty kitties something like “feminists”, you will sound even more absurd than you ususally do!

  67. Oh Meller… you had to wait an entire month to reply? Not brave enough to risk active reponse?

    Cats aren’t feminists. They aren’t misogynist. They aren’t misandrist.

    You, on the other hand are both of the last two.

    You hate women. You hate modern society, because it allows women to do what they want, and what they want doesn’t please you.

    But those of us who are feminist are happier for it.

  68. Bob the Builder

    Basing human behavior on the biology of cats with a sample of 1 male cat and 1 female cat… this is obviously a legitimate study…

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