Spearheader “warns” women to stop being so feministy, or else!
More mustache-twirling from the MRA crowd.
Another day, another threat – sorry, prediction – of impending violence towards women from someone on The Spearhead. This time from a fellow called James, in his twenties:
The OLDER MEN simply do not understand what it is like to be a young man today.
I will say one thing though- a very big percent of young men of my generation do not believe in this feminism or white knight bullshit, and they have very little tolerance towards it.
Older men will allow themselves to get ass raped in divorce courts, but the younger men of my generation have no such tolerance.
So if the younger women think they are going to treat the younger men with the same level of hatred that the older women do to the older men, they have a big surprise waiting for them.
1. Either the men will just entirely boycott the younger women
or
2. They will actively fight for their rights, even with force, if it requires it
What I mean by that is, the younger generation of men are much more violent than the older generation. So in plain English, if women think they are going to treat the younger generation of men like shit, then we are going to see a huge increase in violence against women.
In short, the men of my generation are not as willing to tolerate the abuse from man hating women as the older men are. Young women would be very wise to take note of this.
Unfair quote-mining on my part? Not exactly. James got 72 upvotes for this bit of wisdom on The Spearhead, and only 8 downvotes.
Meanwhile, our old friend at the Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog highlighted James’ comment in a post of his own, quoting the whole thing, and adding his own spin:
The younger you go on average you will find less tolerance for anything pro-female. This is not surprising. Even looking at my own life, I have been dealing with feminism since I was in elementary school especially if we define feminism correctly as feminine-ism. I remember (female) teachers being pro-female and anti-male going back to first grade. As bad as I had it, it is worse for men younger than me. They’re not going to listen to lies about how women are oppressed because all they have seen with their own eyes are the opposite. …
By 2020 the balance between men who are currently old vs. men who are currently young will have shifted. There will be less old men who remember life pre-feminism. There will be more young men who have spent their entire lives under the feminist jack boot. There will be more men who are completely fed up with women. Around 2020 there will be a lot more men willing to take radical direct action against feminism.
“Radical direct action against feminism?” What does this mean? Generalized violence against women, as James seems to suggest? Firebombing police stations and courthouses, as MRA “martyr” Tom Ball urged in his manifesto? Like most of those in the Men’s Rights movement who like to talk ominously about what they hope will be a massive anti-feminist backlash, the PMAFT blogger is vague about what exactly this might entail. But it’s not hard to connect the dots here.
Protip: MRAs, if you don’t want people to see the Men’s Rights movement as a hate movement — you need to stop posting, stop upvoting, stop even tolerating this kind of hateful shit.
Posted on March 30, 2012, in antifeminism, bullying, evil women, MGTOW, misogyny, MRA, terrorism, threats. Bookmark the permalink. 766 Comments.
@cloudiah
The configurations are not misandric or not. However, teachers know that boys thrive in a disciplined teacher-centered learning environement, and girls thrive in a fluid peer-centered learning environment. Consequently, this is how I rank learning environments for boy-friendly learning (keeping in mind that 20% of girls learn in male-typical ways, and 20% of boys learn in female-typical ways):
1) Bolted down rows of forward facing tablets, arranged parallel to the long axis of the room.
2) Forward facing rows of separated 2-person tables and chairs.
3) Forward facing rows of joined 2-person tables and chairs (this allows peer interactions, which would be advantageous to girls).
4) Teacher facing U-shaped arrangement of jointed 2-person tables and chairs (also allows peer interactions, which would be advantageous to girls).
5) Four person activity centers perpendicular to the teacher.
6) Round tables with students facing every which way compared to the teacher.
Translated Antz: I SPEND MORE TIME INVENTING BIGOTRY THAN I DO HELPING AFFECTED KIDS.
I am not a teacher in the K-12 public system (though it has always been my dream to teach HS). I do have students at the PhD and Post-doctoral level.
Hey there, Antz! Paranoid as ever, I see.
The thing about Ritalin is that yes, it’s overprescribed, but no, that’s not an evil feminist conspiracy against boys. When I was in kindergarden in the late 70s my teacher tried to have me put on meds because I was a hyperactive little handful and she didn’t want to deal with it. Luckily for me my mother put her foot down and refused. The same thing happened to one of my (female) friends more than 10 years later.
Schools should not be drugging children in order to make them easier for teachers to deal with. You were right to protect your son from that, and I wish more parents did the same. But it’s still not a feminist conspiracy to amputate the personalities of boys, and the fact that you assume that it is illustrates the many ways in which your sexist assumptions impede your ability to reason.
Boys thrive from discipline and structure, therefore drugs that help kids focus are anti-boy?
AntZ
MOAR BULLSHIT.
lol.
@Sharculese
I see the origins of your confusion.
The female in question is a PhD candidate. I wanted her to work in drug design. She ignored my advice, and now works at LSU (environmental science). She is a hypothesis driven thinker, and is wasting her talent in a field that remains mired in an outdated observational/discovery model for science. Very sad.
Can’t imagine why.
TRANSLATED ANTZ: I REFER TO WOMEN AS FEMALES. YOU’RE ALL THE BIGOTS.
And she also refused your advice to move to the other side of the Mississippi.
And her tables were mis-configured.
I also like this:
a field that remains mired in an outdated observational/discovery model for science
Yeah, those stupid environmental scientists, all obsessed with “looking at stuff” and “learning about it.”
(Are people keeping their eyes peeled for stuff to put in the Funny-Off?)
How dare a woman do what she wanted, rather than what AntZ so wisely chose for her. I mean, he knows what kind of thinker she is! I’m sure she doesn’t know that!
When I was little I was diagnosed with ADHD by a quack advisor. Thankfully my mother stepped in and prevented me from being “treated” while my father still says I can’t pay attention in condescending tones. A girl is diagnosed with ADHD. It’s crazy, I know.
I also did a lot of “violent” play and drew “violent” drawings. I drew tanks and dinosaurs and Star Fox blowing things up as early as I can remember. I played Star Fox 64 and Super Mario games and watched Star Wars on a regular basis. And I spent endless moments enacting outer space dogfights.
I was only chastised for any of this in 4th grade and that was from a peculiar teacher who insisted that everyone have a learning disability.
Other than that, I was allowed to be as crazy as I wanted.
If only this pesky female student was a FOREiGN BRIDE or invented VR SEX, then the world would be a better place.
I once made the corner of my math book into a flipbook with stickmen fighting each other and there was a lot of stick dismemberment and I didn’t get in trouble for that.
Antz, please explain to me how feminists influenced a million years of evolution to create ADD?
I second your opinion about group seating, I friggin hated that in school when I was a girl. But it had nothing to do with me being a girl, it was because I’m an extreme introvert.
I went to an all-girls high school, and now I am in a Masters program where about 75% of the students are women. I just realized that for my whole education, the desks have been configured to advantage men!
Aren’t most classes teacher centered? I mean from my experience there was always a few group things in classes but most of it was just the teacher teaching a class.(obviously my experience is not universal but I’ve never heard it where a class was peer teaching only.) Plus how does ritalin against “male learning”? You said that awhile back but never explained it. And how do you know that all teachers know about your weird theory but choose to ignore it? I mean obviously kids learn differently and school does not cater very well to those kids who don’t fit into the learning standard (gender is irrelevant here) but I don’t think this means is some huge conspiracy to hold men back. You need to prove that feminists specifically know this weird theory of yours and enforce it and how they enforce it. You can’t just say something and them bam its true.
*then
@katz I love flipbooks. My favorite form of art. In junior high, I made a stop-motion/claymation short called “The Worm Ranger.” Like the Lone Ranger, except he was a worm. There was no violence because, although he had a holster with pistols, he had no arms with which to draw.
But then I hated school anyways, especially when they tried to fail me, not because of grades but because I was too aggressive for a girl. With my brother they tried to fail him because he was too passive. Considering what they had to go through with me, I’d have thougtt my brothers personality would be a godsend…
Cloudiah, I think my junior high self would have gotten along with your junior high self.
Before I went mostly online, I taught in a variety of classroom configurations (first year to graduate school university, students ranging in age from 16 to 82).
I liked grouping students for group work SOME of the class; I also did short lectures.
BUt no matter what the configuration, basic thing is: teacher is center/authority (there was this fad for de-centering teachers blah blah blah, but here’s the deal: even when group work, I am the one setting the rules, and I am the one grading the work). I am the authority.
I like assigning a lot of peer response and peer-learning group work (students hate it) because, among other things, like THEORY, employers often complain that college students come out unprepared to work in groups! Because ANTZ surprising but true, work doesn’t work like school!
DOH!
Now I each mostly online, so I’m not sure what classroom configuration that is. But they’re working their little tails off, lemme tell you.
I’m another woman who took Ritalin for a few years as a child. As it turned out, I didn’t have ADD, so Ritalin did me no good, but it was hardly a horrifying “punishment.” The worst thing it ever did to me was give me mild insomnia.
Incidentally, I wasn’t prescribed it for learning in a “male style” (whatever that means), or, in fact, for anything school-related. I was by any measure pretty much the ideal elementary school student. I was given Ritalin because in stressful situations I tended to freak out, burst into tears, and run off and hide, which was diagnosed as “impulsivity” rather than the eventual more accurate assessment of “massive anxiety and depression as filtered through a five-year-old’s brain.” Unless “keep little girls from running off and hiding under bushes while having panic attacks” is part of the Evil Feminist Agenda, I’m pretty sure my Ritalin prescription had fuck-all to do with feminism.
“Antz, please explain to me how feminists influenced a million years of evolution to create ADD? ”
Well, obviously the gynofascists have time machines. True story: Queen Elizabeth I would have been a man if not for them.
No no! Its because feminists fucked with a million years of evolution and caused the y chromosome to shed genes. Since boys only have one copy of most genes, if they function in a non typical manner or not at all they end up with a disorder. Then, because feminazis are so cunning, we invented a drug called Ritalin to subdue all those little boys! Its genius I tell you!! (Even more so since men like Antz tend to believe we lack intelligence)
NO NO NO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING
EDWARD IS A BOYS NAME
EDWARD ALSO RUNS ABOUT IN A MALE-TYPICAL FASHION
EDWARD ALSO KNOWS COMPUTERS
WHY DO YOU SAY EDWARD IS A GIRL EDWARD IS CLEARLY A BOY IF EDWARD IS A GIRL DOING BOY THINGS IT WOULD MEAN THAT GENDER IS NOT BINARY BUT A SPECTRUM AND THAT WOULD BE CRAZY TALK
dammit i just got convicted of exceeding the capital limit in a single post.
they’re going to send me to grammar school.
Where they will, no doubt, teach you in a female-centric way.
Falconer, yeah and you’ll be sitting at circular desks!! Doing group work!
“The female in question.” HA HA HA HA HA
I can’t say I agree with the original posts. The younger guys I meet tend to be way less sexist than older guys. There also seems to be a growing idea among younger people that misogyny is uncool. Putting down women isn’t seen as daring or cutting-edge by anyone other than MRAs, Tucker Max fans, and old guys who listen to Rush Limbaugh.
The MRM seems to be made up mostly of angry old guys who never got over Women’s Lib in the ’70s and really young guys who haven’t actually talked to any women who aren’t their mom yet. Most of the young guys will eventually meet girls and grow out of it.
(Then there’s the third group: entitled Silicon Valley Libertarians who think the “Dilbert” guy has a lot of good ideas. To them I can offer no succor.)
Don’t worry, Shadow, that’s what I thought too!
If AntZ tells the truth about the “teacher-centered class”, then I had a boy-style education?
(not) MISANDRY!
Sharculese: The pro-puppy agenda basically involved puppies for everyone, as well as ice cream and money. A few also added a Playstation agenda. I gave them my tentative support, pending ideas on how to deal with people who are allergic to puppies or who would prefer kittens.
random6x7:
I am all for the pro-puppy, pro-ice cream agenda. Particularly if they can be combined in parks on glorious summer days. *daydreams*
Someone else noticed the same thing MRA James has noticed about men.
“I am a feminist because I feel endangered, psychically and physically, by this society and because I believe that the women’s movement is saying that we have come to an edge of history when men – insofar as they are embodiments of the patriarchal idea – have become dangerous to children and other living things, themselves included. ”
— Adrienne Rich
Antz, I have a hard time taking you seriously when you don’t even know – and can’t be arsed to ask Dr. Google – that methylphenidate is neither methamphetamine nor a Schedule I drug.
(Methamphetamine is a Schedule I CS. Methylphenadine is Schedule II. Incidentally, this means it cannot legally be prescribed by a teacher, a school nurse or psychologist, or anyone without a Schedule II-cleared DEA number.)
Partial credit for not referring to either Ritalin or methamphetamine as a “narcotic,” however.
…
I failed my college classes and lost my job the last time I went off my ADD medication. Somehow I don’t think the ‘feminist’ education system, table/desk configuration, or even the hardness of the chairs had anything to do with it.
An MRAs argument on education.
P1) Classes are lenient, group-centered environments for girls. Boys need teacher-centered, drill-based, disciplined environment. Our education is a soft, weak system that prefers girls to boys.
P2) Classes are tedious, drill-based environments. But girls succeed because they are good at memorizing trivial information while boys remember only substantial things.
——————————————————————————————————————–
C) MISANDRY!!!!
Snidely Whiplash, Men’s Rights Activist.
“…The MRM seems to be made up mostly of angry old guys who never got over Women’s Lib in the ’70’s…”
Except, that it isn’t.
Yeah, I had an ex-partner with ADD. ADD is a real thing that actually exists, and that sort of mental illness denialism pisses me off to no end. Adderall IS probably overprescribed, though.
I was a dreamy, imaginative, easily distracted child who drew pictures of violence. I was also not put on Ritalin because I don’t have ADD. (I do wish someone had noticed my depression, though…)
Seriously, what is it with MRAs and chairs?
Nostalgia for the days when all men had comfy thrones? Yeah, I dunno, it’s weird.
Just… FWIW, whoever grabbed the stick of “boy-friendly education” is holding it from the WRONG END.
The research suggests that (young) boys have a hard time sitting in place doing learning that is all auditory (the “old-school” model of sit at your desk, listen to teacher talk, answer questions, only talk when it’s your turn). Girls manage that more easily, overall, which can contribute to boys being corrected/censured more by teachers who are real sticklers for The Rules.
So AntZ has his model of male-friendly education all backwards. Boys have a hard time managing the orderly rows, the lists of rules, etc. Girls are more deferential to authority and better at that kind of focus and self-control.
Every child therapist knows that if you want to get your average boy talking, get him playing checkers with you, or shooting a basketball, not sitting across from you answering questions.
If you’re going to complain about stuff based on research, at least get the research the right way round. Sheesh.
It’s because the chairs aren’t padded. Tom Martin proved that with science and an imaginary video from the BBC. Girls are are lighter than boys and have more butt-padding, ergo misandry!
So, does learning in a ‘male-typical’ way, as AntZ calls my ADD, affect my butt padding? Admittedly, I am a bony stick person, even moreso because one of my medication side effects is decreased appetite.
What medication causes decreased appetite? I wanna be medicated…
@falconer- they may send you to the school where AntZ teaches, then you will only caps the words FOREIGN and BRIDE. And only when they appear together.
“…The MRM seems to be made up mostly of angry old guys who never got over Women’s Lib in the ’70′s…”
Except, that it isn’t.
Really? Because that’s mostly what I’m seeing. Bitter old guys, young guys who will get over it when they actually talk to a girl and she doesn’t fire laser beams out of her eyes at them, and tech-industry guys with crazy entitlement issues that probably stem from getting paid fifty times what they’re worth. I can’t help the last group, but the first group will die off eventually and the second group will grow out of it.
I’m sorry. And also about three women who are really, really invested in the idea that they’re better than all those icky other girls.
@magdelyn
It’s actually a common side effect of a lot of ADD stimulants. I’m on Vyvanse right now.
Fun fact – in Thailand, where my family used to live, you can quite openly buy stimulants for use as diet pills. No one checks what you’re intending to use them for, you just walk into the pharmacy and ask for “pink and white amphetamine”.
So the answer to your question is “stimulants”, Magz.
(I think diet pills that are basically just lots and lots of speed are now banned in the US, right?)
I wish I could shoot laser beams out of my eyes. Might make certain parties behave.
HAHAHAHA, if AntZ is a teacher, I’m the Queen of England.
Don’t be silly, hellkell. He’d have to be a TEACHER.
Oh, sorry! That’s right, he’s a TEACHER with a FOREIGN BRIDE!
Shaenon, I believe there are actually six women in total:
girlwriteswhat
typhonblue
Dr. Helen
Dr. Tara
That woman who posts on The Spearhead and gets downvoted into oblivion
Magz
If I was to agree with MRAs it would be because I’d come to the opinion men were weak creatures unable to function unless women do everything they say. This ISN’T what I believe but certainly from reading what MRAs say I feel like they can’t cope with women acting as humans. Even things like women sometimes wanting sex, and sometimes not seems completely beyond their comprehension. Therefore I can’t help but wonder if female MRAs just have had really bad experiences with men. When you come to accept that men need to be pacified and obeyed to keep them sane, your logic moves to pacifying the beast and accepting the reality of the beast rather than expecting more. Certainly, I can relate to why female MRAs feel like they do. The more I read some of the people on Manboobz, the more I understand the need to form these opinions to protect yourself.
I used to draw guillotines a lot in high school, but that’s because of Charles Dickens. And James Wilby.
And my senior honors English teacher told me we were only going to read male authors because “women don’t write at the college level.”
Of course, she also thought that Hemmingway’s death was accidental . . .
I almost choked on my coke X3
And my senior honors English teacher told me we were only going to read male authors because “women don’t write at the college level.”
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.
Antz, your movement fails men. You told me yourself it had nothing to offer men like me.
Why don’t you fix your movement so they can actually put up a proper fight, instead of killing their own young?
That woman who posts on The Spearhead and gets downvoted into oblivion
Last week, she made a totally innocuous comment on Uncle Elmer’s pathetic “Look at my foreign bride!” article, saying something about she doesn’t iron her husband’s shirts. Naturally, this kind of female disobedience did not sit welll with the Spreadheaders.
Susan Walsh?
I don’t know who that is. I was talking about “Lara”
‘outdated observation-based model’?
I think VR Boy thinks climate scientists r doin it wrong if they don’t have weather control machines.
@LBT: You realize he’s going to take that to mean “fight against feminists”, right?
Women… don’t… write… at… the… college… level.
I have a collection of Sappho’s poetry BEGGING to disagree.
I am going to go post something on the spearhead and see if I get downvoted.